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wonderwhy Posted on 02/07/2020 16:35
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People from BAME (black, Asian and minority ethnic) backgrounds constitute only 14% of the general population in England and Wales, but make up 25% of its prison population. In 2017 a review led by the MP David Lammy concluded that the justice system was biased against this group, and required reform.
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smirnoffexpress Posted on 02/07/2020 17:09

wonderwhy

 
Would you mind not using the term BAME please, it is demeaning to those labelled with it and hides what those using it really mean. That being, everything but white. Itís another divisive crock of merde. Thank you.
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BilltheCat Posted on 02/07/2020 17:30

wonderwhy

 
Thank you for highlighting such an important issue. I'm sure we all stand with Lammy and the need for reform. [^]
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wonderwhy Posted on 02/07/2020 17:36

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Yes ,maybe we should start jailing white folk for illegal parking to bring the averages to more acceptable levels.
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Pedalo_menders Posted on 02/07/2020 18:01
Edited On: 02/07/2020 18:03
wonderwhy

 
One train of thought would be that it's based on their race. Something about not being white just makes you genetically more likely to be a criminal.

Or of you had at least 2 brain cells to rub together you could consider the socioeconomic challenges of integrating different backgrounds into communities and the opportunities for different races to avoid criminality.

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wonderwhy Posted on 02/07/2020 18:30

wonderwhy

 
Or of you had at least 2 brain cells to rub together
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smirnoffexpress Posted on 02/07/2020 20:21

wonderwhy

 
Lammy? Another fekin idiot.
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scouse Posted on 02/07/2020 20:46

wonderwhy

 
I don't know how many brain cells it takes to type shiite on a message board. I wouldn't be surprised if it's more than two. So even you gammon folk probably have quite a lot.
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exgaffer Posted on 02/07/2020 20:55

wonderwhy

 
David Lammy, that poor oppressed man who has been held back by institutional racism? Yeah right.

The man is a race baiter and a hypocrite of the worst kind.
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SouthseaBill Posted on 02/07/2020 21:25

wonderwhy

 
It's got nothing to do with the colour of skin, it's very simple. You commit a crime, you will get jailed, doesn't matter who you are.
Don't commit crime, and you won't go to prison.
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Pedalo_menders Posted on 02/07/2020 21:36

wonderwhy

 
But why are we going easy on the white wrong'uns and only getting tough on the black ones? Why isn't there consistency with conviction rates and sentencing?

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motowner Posted on 02/07/2020 21:45

wonderwhy

 
Watching ScXXXXXX Gits v Nan Sh!tty, BAME 14%, more like 50%.

Horses for courses, in some situations BAME will be a lot more than 14%, in some cases a lot less than 14%.
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exgaffer Posted on 03/07/2020 08:21

wonderwhy

 
Pedalo, you have to commit the crime to go to jail (in most cases 😎).

In London in 2017 (I havenít seen the latest figures but suspect they are at least as bad), two thirds of knife crime involved black or minority ethnic people.

Maybe that will give you a clue as to why more of them get jailed ffs. They commit a disproportionate amount of the type of crime you get jailed for.

Itís not some conspiracy to jail black people ffs.

Given the fact that so many knife crimes are carried out by a certain section of the community, itís hardly surprising that they get stopped and searched more often is it?

If you were in charge of law enforcement what would you do, ignore the evidence in order to be politically correct?
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Pedalo_menders Posted on 03/07/2020 13:05

wonderwhy

 
Gaffer, your point leads back to my first post on this thread. Of course you donít ignore evidence.

What do you think is the reason why 2/3rds of knife crime is committed by black people? I refuse to believe you are stupid enough to think that itís for the simple fact that they are black?
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exgaffer Posted on 03/07/2020 13:18

wonderwhy

 
Pedalo Iím not sure what point you are trying to make.

The facts are the facts, I donít know why I just know the facts.

Why do YOU think it is then?
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Pedalo_menders Posted on 03/07/2020 14:01

wonderwhy

 
Its difficult to discuss Gaffer, if you wont tell me the reasons behind your position.

My point is that it is ridiculous for anyone to believe that there are more black criminals because being black makes you more likely to commit crime. If you genuinely think this, then i hope this explanation helps you to think about reconsidering.

There is a difference between correlation and causation.

As an example of the same thinking, you could look at where most people die: Hospitals & old peoples care-homes and think: Dont go to hospitals or care-homes because 80% of people die in hospitals! Its obviously not the hospital causing the death but there is a strong correlation.

Being black may correlate but is it the cause of the behaviour?

Parenting, Role models, opportunity, are all massive influences to someones path in life. The question we are really trying to dig into is what makes you the person you are? Hugely complex. And i would think anyone who is asked this question would give an answer beyond their ethnicity.

Who are you Pedalo? Im white from northern europe and my race i like to exterminate the jews.

Again, ive used an extreme example but does this really tell you about who i am and what drives me as a person? Not even close. But the statement above is factually correct.

If you read the report, you would be able to see what the findings were instead of jumping to your own conclusions. Its not about going easy on black criminals, (i agree, that would be insane). But you are missing the point if you think that is the message to take from the report.

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Bangers_and_Biff Posted on 03/07/2020 14:37

wonderwhy

 
There are more bame people locked up because they commit more crimes. ..... The End.
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Bangers_and_Biff Posted on 03/07/2020 14:39

wonderwhy

 
Oh and I really liked Al Jolsons version of ďBAMEĒ
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Isaac-Hunt Posted on 03/07/2020 14:42

wonderwhy

 
If only
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Deebo Posted on 03/07/2020 14:54
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wonderwhy

 
'and I really liked Al Jolsons version of ďBAMEĒ.

Bammy, how I loves ya, how I loves ya,
My dear old Bammy.
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muschi Posted on 03/07/2020 15:24

wonderwhy

 
Just skimming through the lammy report and i found this line

"The Lammy Review points out that vulnerable individuals, including children and young
adults from BAME backgrounds, are often coerced into gang activities by powerful adults."

Which begs the question why? There seems no attempt to explain this which puts the rest of the report on dangerous ground.
This is because it's a dangerous statement lumping all bame people into one bucket whereas we know asian bames have much higher educational achievements and subsequent better careers.

I feel the failure to examine this part makes further comments open to question. We need to know what % of this group are black/asian/gypsies. More importantly what is the racial make up of the criminals doing the grooming and where are the parents while this is going on?
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