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muschi Posted on 25/06/2020 08:27
Not such good news after all?

Names and addresses of all customers to be recorded.
Payment by apps.

How long will the restrictions last?

Not exactly a fun scene after all?
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CancunBlue Posted on 25/06/2020 08:40


Answers to your questions.

Yes it is good news, pubs are opening.

Takes a few seconds to give your address, a couple of minutes to download an app.

Nobody knows?

No not if you are there I would imagine.
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dsmg Posted on 25/06/2020 08:47


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yellowcheesemonkey Posted on 25/06/2020 08:47


It might be bearable when its sunny in a beer garden but on a cold rainy night..
It does mean as well that will have to carry ID.

Restrictions might be until there is a vaccine..
and its not beyond the pssibility that with the vaccine, you wiill need to have the vaccine record stored, maybe on phone, to be scanned before entry.

Or even the vaccine record will be implanted in the skin at same time, via a dye, that can be scanned before you are allowed in.
(Technology developed by MIT and possibly going to be in use in a couple of years by airports).

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exgaffer Posted on 25/06/2020 10:24


YCM the vaccine won’t be 100% effective anyway, so any checking would be meaningless.

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DeepBlue Posted on 25/06/2020 10:38


Why meaningless ? Surely it will be 95% meaningful or whatever the % effective figure turns out to be, so effective at reducing the spread of the virus.

Certainly higher than 0% effective, which is what it would have to be to be meaningless.
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yellowcheesemonkey Posted on 25/06/2020 10:38


Dont know if vaccine will work, and maybe the checking wil be meaningless, but its not going to stop them doing it.
Same as tracking and tracing.
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muschi Posted on 25/06/2020 10:41


Quite witty cancun made me smile.[^]

Sense of humour - just read a nice piece regarding that forgotten skill.

On Banning Inappropriate Humour:
We can’t have humour anymore. Did you know? It’s been withdrawn from society, culled, cancelled, because the politically-correct woke police are on their joyless march yet again. This time they are expressing their virtue-signaling by scouring popular culture for old things to disapprove of and ban.
First on the chopping board was the cinematic classic ‘Gone With the Wind.’ Without realizing it, the dreary curmudgeons of cultural thought-policing ‘cancelled’ the very first movie in which a black female actress won an Academy Award. But no great matter to them: Who is Hattie McDaniel, and what is her legacy, when a disapproving leftist in a stupid pink hat can publicly vaunt the primary virtue of their new humanist religion: ‘tolerance.’ (Pause for the irony).
Next came the calls to ban an old episode of classic British comedy Fawlty Towers. No, really. Big people, who are responsible for tying their own shoes, genuinely insisted on this, and think it's a good idea.
Cultural icon John Cleese attempted to explain, rubbing his face in frustration at the stupidity of it all, that humour of this nature is based on irony. It is not an endorsement, but a ridiculing of the topic. But here is the insurmountable hurdle Cleese faces: The Politically Correct Gestapo are simply too brittle, too small-minded, too unyieldingly literal, to grasp this. If they see a depiction of a Nazi, a show must be banned. No matter that the show is actually mocking the Nazi – they can’t hear you over their own childish outrage.
Their argument is that all references to anything they disapprove of (an ever-growing list, glorious in its pettiness) is the same thing as actual violence visited upon someone else. Curiously, they appoint themselves as the arbiters of what hurts others, even as the others in question go about their lives blissfully unaware that a TV comedy from forty years ago is somehow oppressing them.
So what is this terrible agent of human persecution called ‘humour’ that has now become so dangerous to society that the Left must bottle and label it for our safety?
For starters, humour is the capacity to think in abstraction. It is 'slip' in the system. It is leeway. It is curiosity, misdirection and revelatory charm. When all is literal, rigid and rule-bound, humanity becomes a machine. No slip. No surprises. That is how people conceived of themselves in the former Soviet Union: ‘Doing cogs who must perform.’
But it has never been how humans have conceived of themselves in a nation like Britain, where wit and self-deprecation have been the order of the day since Shakespeare, and even beyond.
Humour is that unforeseen cough in our brains in reaction to the absurd. It is nonsensical, and therein lies its charm. It is removal, appreciation – sometimes bitter appreciation – which permits us to see our scenario as though in the third person, enables us to rise above our unique and often bizarre challenges and foibles, and then laugh backward at them, thus blowing off steam, thus creating a little give.
Sans humour, and without this slip in the system, the world becomes draconian. It grows much smaller, more boxed, and infinitely uglier. We do well not only to permit humour, in all its uncontrollable messiness, but to teach its very importance as a category to our children, to be reverenced in society.
Given that humour is abstraction, it is also a sign of high intelligence. Intelligent people do not look for outrage and violent revolutions. The slip and leeway of humour allows them to observe, rationally criticize and often change themselves, at low cost, at a low risk, and without draconian or destructive measures, but rather with a wry smile. If society is our daily bread, humour is the butter that makes it palatable, malleable, changeable without recourse to violence.
And it isn’t merely a sign of personal intelligence. It is also a sign of civilizational health. Brits mock things. They parody. They create nonsensical representations and they absurdify. They do it dryly. They do it with a knowing glint in the eye. And their doing so helps to subtly guide, correct and create continually improving social structure, via joy, not angry marching.
To now say to such a society ‘You may not,’ is to insist that they be less healthy, less flexible, less emotionally agile. It is to remove the means of interpersonal jostling that guides their mutual development. It is to say that they may not be British, to which any good humoured Brit’s response should ultimately be: ‘Up yours, mate!’
So who exactly is insisting on this removal, this tightening of sensibilities, this new rigidity? Consider: If abstract humour is one the highest forms of intelligence, then its banning and removal must necessarily be done by those of lower intelligence - by the unhappy, the brittle, the rigid, the literal and the mentally small. It must be done by those who wave a moralising finger in our faces and say, ‘You may not be trusted with that thing because I do not trust you.’
Banning categories of humour – any categories – is counterproductive. I am a Christian, and do not enjoy mockery aimed at my faith. But under no circumstances would I ask for its cancellation, or insist on anything more than the right to respond. But banning? Grow up. My faith is bigger than a punchline and strong enough to withstand a titter. How fragile must a cause be if it cannot withstand prodding giggles?
Finally, the desire to sanitise humour is a bad-faith argument.
Take this example: In the classic sitcom ‘Frasier,’ we meet the snobby Niles, and his ultra-elitist wife, Maris. We never actually see Maris. She is simply the subject of anecdotes by the characters. In one episode, Niles describes her using a poker to push away children who beg from her while she visits an island retreat.
Unacceptable. Right? Ban it straight away!
Well, as Cleese was at pains to try to explain to people of lesser intelligence than he, this is not an endorsement of elitism. It is subtle mockery at the meanness of the character, who provides the foil against which we laugh at the absurdity of it all. If you possess even two more IQ points than a brittle social justice warrior, you will immediately see that this uncomfortable humour operates in the service of human decency via irony, not as an endorsement of the villainous character’s actions or motivations. We all get to laugh at Maris, and that’s how we learn about ourselves, and ensure that we don't become Maris.
But again, this requires good-faith on the part of the viewer. An open mind. And if your starting point is the aggressive desire to look for offence everywhere, in everything, and at all times, you will simply never get that far. In fact, you won’t get very far at all. Because literalism and inoffensiveness are the stuff of stupidity, of human beings who are blocks of cement.
The intelligent and the humorous win this ridiculous battle with the simplest of responses. To the woke-aratzi, we simply say, ‘No. Because the grownups have spoken.’
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cunninglinguist Posted on 25/06/2020 11:57



I doubt you'll get a response from Gaffer. Several paragraphs too many. [8D]
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exgaffer Posted on 25/06/2020 13:03


I did read it all and I heartily agree.

Some contributors post stuff worth reading Cunning. 😂
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cunninglinguist Posted on 25/06/2020 13:21


Excellent. I thought it was well written.

Now try reading something you don't necessarily agree with. Work out why you disagree with it and try and explain why it's wrong. You might just persuade someone you are right. Stating your opinion wont convince anyone.

Hopefully, at least some of the left might have learned that from the last election.
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exgaffer Posted on 25/06/2020 13:43


Cunning I don’t need counselling from you thanks very much 😁.

I do read things that I don’t agree with all the time. I agree with things that are obviously, provably true:

Men and women are not the same.
All lives matter.
Scummers have almost no trophies.
Twitter is full of cowards and/or narcissists.
Coronavirus is not Ebola.
The BBC is staffed by poncy Guardian readers.
Tommy Robinson is not a racist.
Millennials know feck all about history and are therefore doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.
Free speech does not exist in the UK

You know, stuff like that. 😁

I started as an extreme left wing student and worked my way towards the light. I therefore know how the other side think (well most of the time they don’t).

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cunninglinguist Posted on 25/06/2020 14:02


None so blind as can see.
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Isaac-Hunt Posted on 25/06/2020 14:10


Cunni,it's Gaffapedia.It is unchallengable
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Louis-of-England Posted on 25/06/2020 14:18


Will payment by app be compulsory? or do we have a choice? Will the sheeple be lining up to use it?
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muschi Posted on 25/06/2020 14:46


Not sure the new rules seem a bit unclear at the moment.

I can only speak for a handful of people I know and the answer is probably no they won't. While it's nice, might as well buy a couple of cans and sit in the park.
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BilltheCat Posted on 25/06/2020 14:49


"Some contributors post stuff worth reading".

You don't.
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exgaffer Posted on 25/06/2020 15:58


Well I do post something occasionally BTC, all you do is snipe.

Have a fun afternoon, if you are capable of fun that is 😂.
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BilltheCat Posted on 25/06/2020 16:03



Occasionally? You are here from morn-til-night. You have to give your opinion on EVERYTHING!

Go out, please, enjoy the weather, stop XXXXXX b1tching!
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muschi Posted on 25/06/2020 16:48


ni sign of irony there then...
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