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muschi Posted on 22/06/2020 11:00
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rises to 2.88 (source France24) could this affect the expected announcement from our government?
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yellowcheesemonkey Posted on 22/06/2020 11:26
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Dont think so.
The Germans arent going full on lockdown in response
Seems to be connected to meat processing so all the Germans are going is sealing off apratment blocks etc where anyone is possibly infceted.

Thats the way things are going to go,
Something happens -more infections, R rate rising, then bamm.. shutdown the night club area, the factory, wharever, seal off anyone conencted until given the all clear.

Ecomomys too f**ked and once the reopening has started, cant put the genie back in the bottle -second full lockdown wont go down well.

Sport may still be affected -Worrying thing for Sport is the Tennis players dropping and infecting each other after a couple of matches
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Cressers Posted on 22/06/2020 11:46

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No it won't,because our govt are only too eager to 'Get Britain Going' no matter what the cost.
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exgaffer Posted on 22/06/2020 12:01

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The cost of not opening would be far greater than anything caused by the virus Cressers.

The government realises they made a mistake totally locking down in the first place.
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muschi Posted on 22/06/2020 12:05

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USA reporting high rates of infections and deaths so I guess the question is profit before lives?
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Gooders Posted on 22/06/2020 12:29

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Covid can be defeated if all restrictions and advice is followed by everyone. The trouble is it only takes a minority of people to think its not meant for them restrictions for it all to go ti ts up. You guys in UK and western world generally have had it effing easy compared to the really poor countries. Be proud of what UK is and does for its people, here in Philippines and other poor countries there is REAL REAL heartache and struggle. I totally understand why certain countries and the poorer ones at that easing lockdowns earlier that is suited. They have no money to keep everyone alive.
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exgaffer Posted on 22/06/2020 12:31

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No that’s not the choice at all Muschi.

The choice is between going broke and losing many more lives, or being sensible and opening up for the good of all.

If we all go into hibernation every time an infection comes along we’ll fecking die out.

We are not talking about Ebola or Bubonic Plague ffs.

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muschi Posted on 22/06/2020 12:49

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Try being objective guffs, no one knows what the death toll would be compared to any other pandemic as there is modern medicines and care not invented when historic disease was rampant.

There is a compromise to be struck, II hope the government make a wise choice.

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Bluestow Posted on 22/06/2020 13:13

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Exgaffer, the total number of deaths is approaching 50k and that’s besides locking down the economy and placing severe restrictions on movement. If this hasn’t happened the virus would have gone rampant, the NHS would have swamped and the death rate would have been even higher. What figure would you say was an acceptable number of deaths to avoid lockdown measures?
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motowner Posted on 22/06/2020 13:18
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The problem they are "dammed if the do or dammed if they don't" Cressage me old chap - can't please everyone all the time ffs !!
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exPaulgroveboy Posted on 22/06/2020 13:34

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I hear what you are all saying, but in Australia (and New Zealand) we had a proper lockdown. Fines of upto $1600 AUD (£500) for anyone braking the restrictions.
Result: three months of lockdown 101 deaths. Government put up £162B AUD for Furlow. The only cases now are from people coming in from overseas, 14 in the last few days, and they are isolated in a hotel under armed police guard. (yes, that's right armed police guard).
Just sayin loike, It was lockdown hard, and now it's over. The UK have daily deaths. It's a half ar$ed lockdown IMHO, rallies, packed beaches and shops open. Don't get me started on empty football stadiums when they allow BLM rallies all over the place.
What's the difference?
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exgaffer Posted on 22/06/2020 14:40

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ExPaulsgrove.

You can’t really compare Oz and NZ with the UK can you?

The number of flights into the UK from everywhere in the world means a far greater risk of infection. The densely packed population is also a factor.

You could equally point to countries that did not lockdown at all and had fewer deaths.

I think in the long term, immunity will be greater in Europe than Australasia. When Oz and NZ do open up fully, you could see a big spike in cases.

The mistake the UK made was to effectively ‘seed’ care homes with the virus. A lot of elderly people (quite a few already infected) were moved from hospitals to make way for the surge that did not materialise.

This is not a particularly deadly virus to most of the population, and you can’t stop the virus totally. It made no sense, therefore, to trash the economy.

Thus will be looked back on by historians as a collective madness.

You still have people saying we can’t open up until it is ‘completely safe’. It will never be completely safe ffs, life is full of dangers, a lot of them far worse than COVID.

Shield the elderly, sick and frail, quarantine the infected, and let everyone else get on with earning a living.

It’s the only sensible thing to do.
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DeepBlue Posted on 22/06/2020 16:49

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The r rate can be higher in countries with fewer cases without it being so much of a problem, as long as it comes down again quickly. Not sure how many case they get a day now but they were always less than a quarter of ours back in the early days.
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Deebo Posted on 22/06/2020 17:34

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Dont worry Dr Kent said there will definitely NOT be a second wave. He even used block caps. He knows about these things.
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jizzbag Posted on 22/06/2020 19:01

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100% agree with you Gaffer. I've been saying the same thing for ages. I'm amazed at the cautiousness of some people especially keeping their kids off school, unless of course it's a household with someone shielding. I don't think they have a clue what damage this is doing to schoolkids. And the ones who are scared are probably furloughed or working from home of course.

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tricky_ricky_pfc Posted on 22/06/2020 19:59

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It’s scary to think how many extra deaths we will see over the coming years as a result of the lockdown. Over the last three months we’ve only seen 10% of the cancer diagnoses we’d expect to see.

Factor in increased poverty, mental health issues, reduced healthcare spending, it’s a real concern. And this is on top of the deaths already caused by the lockdown.

And yet people still talk about lockdown as if it’s zero cost, and must been done to save lives, the irony of it.

The media seem to have rebranded costs of the lockdown as “indirect effects of the pandemic” as though it’s inevitable, rather than a choice.
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hammie Posted on 22/06/2020 20:27

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As Mrs Hammie says.

40,000" old people dead, ah well.

If that were 40,000 children dead......
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tricky_ricky_pfc Posted on 25/06/2020 10:50

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So the German R rate is now back below 1, but no mention in the media..........bad news sells, good news doesn’t, but it’s really not helpful at the moment.

The R rate is pretty useless at these low levels of infections anyway, it becomes very volatile.

But expect to see regular headlines over the next few weeks and months about how it has “rocketed” in some location or other, and then not a word when it falls again.
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