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stayinupforever Posted on 08/10/2019 12:22
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Pitch your tent in Westminster;you can stay for two weeks free of charge and won't get moved.
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Nguyen_Sinh_Cung Posted on 08/10/2019 12:46

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And you'll be the most protected people in London for the duration of your stay. The two women who got married are possibly the most selfish and attention seeking irritants of the year.

Do they really think they will get the public on board with these tactics? I'd rather the police arrested them all for public order offences. Imagine if football fans decided to carve up the roads. W anchors one and all
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TufnellChimes Posted on 08/10/2019 13:23

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Majority of the public in London travel by public transport - so it doesn't really affect them. White van drivers, black cab drivers or lorries feeding the development of unaffordable homes are affected. And its only happening in a very defined area between Trafalgar Sq. and Horseferry Road/Lambeth Bridge. I've never liked camping so I'm not going to be joining them but good luck to them. Most of Pompey less than 10ft above sea level, dontchaknow.
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midnight_express Posted on 08/10/2019 13:29

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The pitch is 13ft above sea level so at least the kick offs won't be affected.
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TufnellChimes Posted on 08/10/2019 13:32
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Should have left the hump in place.
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Bluetag Posted on 08/10/2019 14:18

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Loving the way they all travelled by coach to get there
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TheSyrup Posted on 08/10/2019 15:06

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In sympathy of their efforts I’m getting a bigger gas guzzling German motor,chateaubriand and taking some long haul flights and piling up the wood burner.
I’m looking forward to seeing you lot splashing around down the hill from my study window.🏄🏿‍♀️

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Nguyen_Sinh_Cung Posted on 08/10/2019 15:19

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my mother in law lives in a flood plain area. Bring it on
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TufnellChimes Posted on 08/10/2019 15:23

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She'll be moving in with you then. 'Shudder'
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Cressers Posted on 08/10/2019 15:30
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It was predicted back in the 1990s that New York would be flooded by 2009, Al Gore claimed the Arctic would be ice-free by 2013, and the UK was supposed to suffer snowmaggeddon by 2007 according to a 2005 RAND corporation report. I think Portsea Island will be fine in the next century.
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Pedalo_menders Posted on 08/10/2019 16:08

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Yes, but how about the century after?

As I said before, the technology exists to solve the problem. The issue is getting the politicians off their fat @rses to implement the required changes in infrastructure.

No sacrifices need to be made to either your wallet or quality of life to get this done so why not do it?
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TufnellChimes Posted on 08/10/2019 16:27

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Cressers, you may have dry feet for your lifetime, but the resale value of any property you may own on the island is going to be affected way before that.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 08/10/2019 17:36
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I'll let you into a secret. I used to believe in global warming - massively.

Then I started to really study it - and the bs layers just came off - piece by piece.

We've been here before on these pages - but I admit it is a complicated subject.

Some serious questions
1. Was 2014 really the warmest year ever?
2. How come 2014 had record sea ice in Antartica?
3. What year was the coldest ever temperature ever recorded? Where was it?
4. Which continent has the largest glacier on earth?
5. Who produces more CO2, nature or mankind?
6. How many inaccuracies were listed by a British Court in Al Gore's film 'An inconvenient truth'?
7. Did the British court call Gore's film - a Political film showing only one side of the argument?
8. Why did the British court find that Greenland will not melt for a millennia?
9. Why did the British court find that Antartica won't melt - as it is increasing.
10. Do we really need to stop farming with cows to stop global warming? How many cows are there in the US presently? Are they at dangerous numbers? How did we survive when there were 50 million buffalo roaming free in America?


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exgaffer Posted on 08/10/2019 19:00

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It’s good to see someone actually doing some research.

Most swallow the globalist line like sheep without so much as a question.

It’s just so easy for Sorros and Co.

The ‘we’re all doomed’ bollox is political rather than scientific.
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suffolkpompey Posted on 08/10/2019 20:02

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Hypocrites every one of them. Just ask them where they went for their holiday this year and how they got there.
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SOPompey Posted on 08/10/2019 21:11

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Trouble is we just do know which set of experts to believe.

Don’t suppose it would be a great surprise to find out the leaders of extinction rebellion are very anti capitalism and economic growth (rich getting richer) and the environmental argument plays well to that cause
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muschi Posted on 08/10/2019 22:23

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Lots of claims and quotes on this thread and maybe a choice on what is being debated?

Extinction rebellion or climate change? They are two separate subjects, one is actually happening the other a movement trying to affect the first point.

First point to think about is ER - a global movement involving 60 countries, you have to ask yourself can they all be wrong (no matter what the political motives may be).

Second point being climate change. First brought to most people's attention in the early 70's, those predictions have broadly been accurate, just look at the UK wildlife situation, how many sparrows do you see these days? How often do you see serious flooding in the UK?

Things are changing - the cause - who cares they need urgent action and finger pointing and quoting inaccuracies from the past prove nothing, I can see and feel differences in my relatively short time on this planet, I don't need any data or spreadsheet to prove anything
it's happening and future generations will deal with the problems arising. How well they will deal with it is anyones guess, i'm just glad I won't be around to see it.
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Pompey_in_Derby Posted on 08/10/2019 22:48
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What about the benefits from climate change?...………… the obvious one being the English Channel!

Also, the biggest and most decisive action to cut global emissions was never intended as a climate change idea...……. China's one birth policy has cut their population growth by around 400 million thereby massively reducing their greenhouse emissions!
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 09/10/2019 01:44
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"quoting inaccuracies from the past prove nothing"

Quoting inaccuracies from the past proves that bs is being pedalled constantly - and when one line of bs gets called out, another line miraculously begins.

My quotes about the Gore film should make you think a bit. Ask most people about the Gore film and they will state about what an earth shattering full it was full of home truths. This film was allowed to be shown to our school children after the high court was asked to judge if it was suitable. The court allowed the 'award winning' film to be shown, but ruled that it could only be shown with guidance notes to prevent political indoctrination.

Nobody is debating pollution, or that some species have been lost, or that climate does change, but huge amounts of scientists are stating global warming just isn't happening. There is no general consensus - and when you have a large percentage of scientists getting their funding from climate change, miraculously the majority of them will toe the party line.
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Bluestow Posted on 09/10/2019 09:19

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Who are these huge numbers of scientists that say global warming isn’t happening?
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Bluestow Posted on 09/10/2019 09:29

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Exgaffer, what you say makes no sense.

ER has only happened because the politicians weren’t listening to what scientists have been saying for years.

How on earth does Soros benefit from a situation that could actually lead to less globalised activity.

Its like you see bogey men everywhere.

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exgaffer Posted on 09/10/2019 12:35

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Bluestone, I assume you are a convert to the ‘end if the world’ religion then?

Most of this bollox comes from UN IPCC, which is a political globalist panel. They need to manufacture a world crisis which requires a world government to solve it. They are aided in this endeavour by gullible ‘extinction rebellion’ disciples, most of whom know nothing about climatology at all. Any excuse to ponce about in public dressed like tossers doing yoga and other such irrelevant activities. The phrase ‘useful idiots’ was tailor made for them.

Some scientists who were on the IPCC have refused to put their name to it’s findings because the science is wrong and based on flawed models. A group of 500 climate scientists have written to the UN protesting about it’s completely nonsensical predictions. This ‘scientific’ body, the IPCC, has made many predictions in the past, none of which have actually come to pass.

The science is NOT settled. You can also rest assured that members of the UN and their supporters such as Sorros, will not be curtailing their use of fossil fuels. They will, however, expect easily persuaded people such as yourself to go back to the Stone Age.

The world will not end in 12 years, sea levels are only rising at a rate of 1mm a year in the Northern Hemisphere and CO2 (a very important requirement for plant growth) is only at 400 parts per million (it has been as high as 2500 ppm in the past).

We are due an ice age, not a burning or flooded planet.

It is all bollox and future generations will marvel at the gullibility of people like you.

It is YOU who make no sense 😎.
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Bluestow Posted on 09/10/2019 13:35

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You are wrong in your assumption. I do however think it is stupid not to take account of scientific advice and try to ameliorate potential risks.

By its definition the IPCC works globally. It does what it says on the tin. Perhaps you have a problem with countries working cooperatively, that’s up to you.

Yes co2 has gone up and down in the planet’s history but it’s never been this high in human history and the rate of increase has been dramatic over the past 200 years. And it’s climbing. Above 600ppm starts to get uncomfortable even in a domestic environment. EVEN IF humans weren’t directly responsible we should be considering steps to counter potential problems rather opting out by taking the position of a naysayer.

Neither of us has done the scientific fieldwork to determine how fast the seas are rising so we have to select the sources we trust and I choose NASA. They say current rates of acceleration mean the seas could be 650mm higher by 2100.

I hope future generations will look back and think we did our best in confusing complex and difficult circumstances rather than carried on regardless.
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exgaffer Posted on 09/10/2019 14:11

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Bluestow, NASA doesn’t say that. I saw a discussion with NASA’s own modelers and they say the models are not verified and cannot be trusted.

As for the 600 ppm, there is no reason why we should be worried about this. Past geologic periods where the rate was more than 2000 would have been perfectly OK for us. In fact. conditions for plant growth would be ideal and we would certainly not starve.

All the indications are that we are in for a solar driven cooling period quite soon (not in my lifetime). This concurs with what I was taught when I did study meteorology and climatology back in the 1970’s.

Nobody really knows for sure of course but it is a certainty that more people will die if we go back to the Stone Age than would ever be killed by a rise in CO2.

You do realise also that rises in temperature occur BEFORE rises in CO2 don’t you? This is because the sea holds more CO2 at low temperatures.

All the middle class muppets who are stopping people from going about their business, should go back to the leafy suburbs and let those who are actually producing something get on with it.
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Bangers_and_Biff Posted on 09/10/2019 14:36

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Tufnall’s gonna be relieved when this is all over and Mrs.Stinky brings the family home back.
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Bluestow Posted on 09/10/2019 14:45

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Exgaffer, I won’t add the link but there is an NASA article online titled ‘study predicts more long-term sea level rise from Greenland ice’ dated June 2019

2000ppm? Headaches, poor concentration, sleepiness- all the time? No thanks.

A higher CO2 level might not be cause death directly but the consequences to the climate like drought, sea level rises, storms and war certainly will.

I’ll look into your comment about CO2 and the oceans.


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Bangers_and_Biff Posted on 09/10/2019 15:20

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You sound like you’d be really fun at parties.
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Bangers_and_Biff Posted on 09/10/2019 15:24

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Oh look who I’m talking to sorry mush you’ve probably never been invited to one.
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Bluestow Posted on 09/10/2019 15:27

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Are you trying to flirt with me?
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Bangers_and_Biff Posted on 09/10/2019 15:32

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Bring on global warming nice long hot summers in England lovely.

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Bangers_and_Biff Posted on 09/10/2019 15:38

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“Are you trying to flirt with me”

Not yet I’m still trying to figure out if you’re male or female.
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Bluestow Posted on 09/10/2019 15:41

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Can you afford to be that selective?
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Bangers_and_Biff Posted on 09/10/2019 15:46

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Yes im lovely
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 09/10/2019 15:49

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"Bring on global warming nice long hot summers in England lovely"

Sadly Biffers, it appears that for those of us who are following the real science - that we will soon be entering a cooling down period.

My advice - head for warmer climes soon.
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Bangers_and_Biff Posted on 09/10/2019 15:55

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ffs I was looking forward to swimming at fratton park.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 09/10/2019 15:57

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You still can, enjoy the Milton End trench while it still exists. I've been in there a few times myself.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 09/10/2019 16:18

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"Perhaps you have a problem with countries working cooperatively"

Well, this is part of the problem isn't it - there is a global agenda to tax people to the hilt, to stop people travelling, and to stop people eating meat - all in the name of supposed Science. meanwhile the elites will carry on as if nothing has happened.

Dr Patrick Moore was the Co-Founder of Green Peace - a worldwide peace movement. He dropped out eventually - and it's interesting to note his reason why. He was the only scientist on the board, and starting questioning a great many things.

He shows you the full historical chart on CO2, and take heed, we aint far above the CO2 min requirement levels. Most plants need levels above 1000ppm - which is why farmers put their heater exhaust pipes back into their greenhouses.

All the charts are here - sea levels, temperature, ice packs, Co2 - all detailed by a proper scientist - who cares about the planet.

Why don't the IPCC tell you these things?

Link: Info after 4 mins in
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Pedalo_menders Posted on 09/10/2019 16:35

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So is your objection that you don’t want to be taxed or that you don’t believe in global warming and it’s a conspiracy?

I’m confused
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Bangers_and_Biff Posted on 09/10/2019 16:48

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“Headaches, poor concentration, sleepiness- all the time? No thanks”

Oh yea you’re definately female.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 09/10/2019 16:56

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I've studied it.

I've noticed that people who haven't studied it - generally believe in GW, and the people who have asked questions - start to realise that the science doesn't make sense, and there is no consensus. As Moore said, there is no word as concensus in science.

I'm confused why you haven't read and digested my questions above - and asked questions yourself.


I'm not against tax, but I do realise that the poor people as ever will be paying loads for this political movement. People need to start asking more questions, and not swallowing the MSN line every time.

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exgaffer Posted on 09/10/2019 17:03

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Well headaches and poor concentration might be annoying (I’m not convinced they would occur by the way) but they are not the Apocalypse are they? 😁

In any case, if we stopped emissions tomorrow, the Chinese, (Asians in general), Indians, Africans would not.

XXXXXXing in the wind would be more effective.
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Pedalo_menders Posted on 09/10/2019 17:24

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You’ve not actually offered up any scientific evidence though Gulf.

The reason I mentioned tax is that it’s actually more cost effective to move to renewable energy generation. It’s cheaper and better for the environment so why do we have the government approving things like Drax power converting their old coal plants to gas when the best thing to do is to use that money for solar and/or wind power?

This is a microcosm of why people are so angry with governments. Same thing going on in the U.S. Australia & China... all over really. They are protecting the status-quo to benefit themselves when there is every reason to change how we consume energy. And it’s cheaper!

Even if you believe the scientists are lying to you, I don’t understand why you would oppose this change based on this.




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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 09/10/2019 17:37

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You've obviously not sussed it, but my questions have answers within them. I don't tell people the answers - people have to suss it out for themselves.

Wind and Solar only provide energy for 25-30% of the time.

Scientists aren't all lying - as stated several times before 31,000 North American scientists signed a petition saying we aren't causing climate change.

As stated before - why isn't Antartica being mentioned, why are 31,000 scientists being ignored - 9,000 of them with phD's, why are the MSN pushing Greta Thunberg? There are a lot of answers in the Patrick Moore clip - why don't you watch it?
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exgaffer Posted on 09/10/2019 18:03

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Why are they pushing Greta Thunberg?

It’s because they want someone who is impossible to criticise, young girl, mental health problems etc. etc. If you dare to criticise her the terminally offended, snowflake mob goes into apoplectic fits of outraged hysteria.

The fact that her parents are extreme left wing activists and that she is funded by Sorros, Gates and co. tells you all you need to know.

She is a globalist puppet, nothing more, nothing less.

The MSM is now the propaganda wing of the left, so they can’t be trusted to cover anything in a balanced way.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 09/10/2019 18:16

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Well, you can see it, but millions upon millions can't.

If you had said 5 years ago that they would have a 16 year old girl with asbergers going round the world lecturing people on global warming, using her mum's emotional and operatic techniques to stir up the masses - we would have all laughed at you.

But that is where we are presently are.

“You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words" which received lots of positive responses like.

“very emotional and grounded in science”, said Alden Meyer, director of strategy at the Union of Concerned Scientists. “If I were a world leader I’d feel very uncomfortable


The irony of which is that Thunberg asks us to look at the science - but that is exactly what the MSN aren't doing.

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scouse Posted on 09/10/2019 18:30

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Day out in London on the 19th, apparently.
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TufnellChimes Posted on 09/10/2019 19:20

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Guff, have you been recently jilted by George Soros? or have you got some weird Soros-Tourettes?
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Isaac-Hunt Posted on 09/10/2019 19:28

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What are we all going to do when Soros pegs it ?
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TufnellChimes Posted on 09/10/2019 20:04

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We're all going to hate on Noam Chomsky of course.
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exgaffer Posted on 09/10/2019 21:24

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Tuffers old chap, nice of you to make an informed intervention as usual. 😁

Have you got any clue what’s going on in the world or do you just feign ignorance?
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Bangers_and_Biff Posted on 09/10/2019 22:26

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He’s a fvckin idiot gaffer clueless and delusional like most remainers.
He admires the smelly unwashed camping out at Westminster probably because one of the smellies is his wife and he thinks that gutless terrorist loving corbyn would make a great PM.


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TufnellChimes Posted on 09/10/2019 22:59

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Hi Savzzz. Any more thoughts on that name?
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Nguyen_Sinh_Cung Posted on 10/10/2019 17:09

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Interesting debate this. Bar the mid 50s loser's input
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