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Deebo Posted on 10/09/2019 14:49
Arise Sir Geoffrey ...
 
 
Inventor of the Corridor of Uncertainty, master bater of Aggers, convicted domestic abuser, egocentric Yorkshire bore, hero of Theresa May. Knight him with a stick of rhubarb your Mag. He couldn't give a toss either way.
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kingo Posted on 10/09/2019 15:20

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Good to still have one sport where pundits say what they actually think.
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motowner Posted on 10/09/2019 15:24

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You forgot to add Dimbo " and quite possibly one of England's finest post war opening batsman".....
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wonderwhy Posted on 10/09/2019 15:36

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still hope for paul Gascoigne and stan collymore then.
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Deebo Posted on 10/09/2019 15:37
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"You forgot to add Dimbo " and quite possibly one of England's finest post war opening batsman".....

Okay Theresa, have it your way.
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blueshark Posted on 10/09/2019 17:16

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Deebo, I'm not sure Geoffrey ever played for England or for that matter Yorkshire. He played for...well team Geoffrey.[:D]
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Deebo Posted on 10/09/2019 17:27

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"Quite possibly one of England's most selfish and boring post-war opening batsmen." [cr]
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 10/09/2019 17:34

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I seem to like Boycott. He speaks quite plainly, and doesn't mince his words. He says he was innocent - but that isn't good enough for the women's liberation front. If he thinks he was innocent - why would he apologise, and even if he did hit a women - I bet she deserved it[8)]. She was probably moaning and moaning about not getting enough freebies.

I bet these same women's liberation groups never tell us that statistically more women hit men than vice versa in relationships.

I bet these groups never wished Baroness Thatcher had her knighthood removed after dividing the nation in the eighties, or Dame Shirley Bassey for not telling her children who their father's were, or Dame Elizabeth Taylor for her numerous affairs which helped to break up several families. Rank hyprocisy as per usual.
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Deebo Posted on 10/09/2019 17:52
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But it's not a women's liberation group is it. It's a charity that helps victims of domestic violence. The only thing they are campaigning for is liberation from getting a regular pasting or worse from the old man. Which has got fvck all to do with Bassey, Taylor or Thatcher.
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exgaffer Posted on 10/09/2019 17:59

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There’s always a campaign group bleating about something.

These gongs are handed out with cornflakes anyway, so who gives a toss?

He deserves it s much as anyone else and was a great batsman.

Still, it gives the fecking snowflakes something else to wail and gnash their teeth about.
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Deebo Posted on 10/09/2019 18:03

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Wise words from Brexit's Wailer in Chief.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 10/09/2019 18:05

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There has been loads of comments from women's groups, not just the one you mentioned. As I say - more women hit men than the other way round. This is hardly ever mentioned.

With the Dames I mentioned, it's all domestic issues. If Geoff Boycott had fathered loads of kids outside of his marriage - the same groups would be moaning about this as well.

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Deebo Posted on 10/09/2019 18:20
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She alledged he punched her in the face 20 odd times. He claimed they struggled and she slipped and fell. His account was dismissed as the injuries were deemed inconsistent with his version of events. Either way there was considerable stress between them at the time that led to a massive confrontation.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 10/09/2019 18:33

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Serious question, do you think that no women exaggerate violence, and never use make-up to enhance any domestic tussles, and disagreements?
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Deebo Posted on 10/09/2019 18:45

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Her injuries were examined by an expert and the expert's opinion was they could not have been caused by a fall. As for make up, do me a favour. Poor effort Gulf.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 10/09/2019 18:55

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I think you may find that there is more to this story than meets the eye. At the time, there was a lot of talk about money. And people do give themselves injuries, but of course - bruises don't always come up straight away - so they sometimes use make-up. It's not conspiracy talk - It happens in real life.



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/honours-list/11922112/Geoffrey-Boycott-must-be-knighted-after-new-evidence-points-to-his-innocence-over-domestic-abuse-case.html
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Portseablue Posted on 10/09/2019 19:08

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No man that beats a woman deserves anything, let alone a knighthood. Gulf, of course he's going to deny that he battered his partner, you don't expect scum like that to be honest do you?
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TufnellChimes Posted on 10/09/2019 19:44

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Gulf sets the bar to a new low.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 10/09/2019 21:15

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You can read the Telegraph article if you like guys[smi]
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muschi Posted on 10/09/2019 22:20

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~Putting GB aside for a moment maybe it's time to relaline things for the 21st century.

We have men giving birth to children (I really don't want to know how), Women on active service in the SAS, basically total equality.

So the old "any man who hits a woman" cliche is rather open to question, is it really still valid?

Certainly there have to be major exceptions to that rule, with martial arts training commonplace and the long legacy of female bruisers found in any town, many of them I wouldn't fancy meeting in a dark alley.

So I suggest the subject gets filed under the general heading of common assault because it can and does work both ways, throw in girl gangs
to add another ingredient to the stew.
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exgaffer Posted on 10/09/2019 22:58

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So, according to Portsea, everyone accused of sexual assault is guilty and ‘scum’ regardless of whether they actually did it or not.

Any denial can be taken as a ‘well they would say that wouldn’t they?’

Funny old world we live in.

I suspect he wouldn’t be quite so happy if he was the one being falsely accused.

Boycott could be guilty, but he claims he isn’t, so it is possible that he didn’t do it.

The evidence wasn’t overwhelming and it’s not like such accusations haven’t be made falsely in the past. Especially when money is a motivating factor.
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smoke_and_a_pancake Posted on 10/09/2019 23:12
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Wasn't he convicted?

If you don't accept convictions what do you accept? Or is it only the convictions that suit your world view?

And if you can't tell the difference between common assault and domestic violence (regardless of the gender of the assistant/victim) you really lack imagination.

Also, how many women hit men is irrelevant, unless those women have been convicted of domestic abuse and subsequently knighted.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 10/09/2019 23:25

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Guildford 4, Birmingham 6?


"At the time of the incident in the Hotel du Cap in Antibes, which happened on October 2, 1996, Miss Moore was in grave financial straits. A business she had taken control of from her estranged husband was collapsing under debts of £1.3 million, including £330,000 in unpaid tax, while Miss Sims-Steward, one of Miss Moore’s solicitors, was owed £35,829 in unpaid legal bills. HM Customs & Excise, as it was then, had issued a winding-up petition against Miss Moore’s computing firm, Rapid-Gen".

"On October 18, 1996, Miss Moore arranged to meet the publicist Max Clifford at Claridge’s Hotel in London. Sipping champagne, she told Clifford she had a story about “one of the world’s biggest stars”. When Clifford found out she was referring to Boycott, he laughed and suggested she might be overstating Boycott’s fame.
..... Undeterred, she told Clifford she wanted him to negotiate a fee of £1 million for her exclusive story of being attacked by Boycott. Clifford told her £75,000 would be a more realistic sum, but, he said: “She started to become abusive and told me ‘I’ll get a million for my story’.”

"Miss Moore had been dismissed by a British judge as a liar during one of several hearings relating to her business.
.......Mr Registrar James, who made a bankruptcy order against Miss Moore, said her evidence was “characterised by inconsistency which was of such a degree as to suggest a deliberate lack of truthfulness”.


Open and shut case!!!
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chrismilanman Posted on 11/09/2019 01:26

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Thanks Gulf that is all I needed to know, great journalism
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Deebo Posted on 11/09/2019 05:23

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In the cold light of dawn not sure why I was so bothered or surprised about this. Failed politician who pushes through domestic abuse legislation in a desperate last-minute bid to save her legacy gives worthless gong to one of her heroes, a convicted domestic abuser, in her parting crony list. What's not to admire about that.
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exgaffer Posted on 11/09/2019 07:40

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If you accept ALL convictions without question, and without looking at the details of the case, you wouldn’t appear to have any world view pancake. You just get spoon fed what the system wants you to believe.

Question everything and you won’t go far wrong.
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Deebo Posted on 11/09/2019 07:54
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You cant be continually going on about upholding democracy and the law in most of your Brexit posts Gaff yet ignore a legal conviction on the other hand to suit your argument. Last time I looked he is still a legally convicted domestic abuser and whilst there is some question about circumstances, his version of events didn't hold water in court. I think he now believes himself incapable of what he did and is in denial. Hence no remorse and little effort to legally clear his name. Apparently his arrogant and aggressive attitude in court didn't help him either. As for "The System" it is obviously working for him in this instance.

As for questioning everything, I have managed to get where I am in life thanks without having to look for mysteries, subterfuge and conspiracies in everything I read. For me that's for failures looking for excuses in unhappy lives. Sometimes the truth is staring you right in the face.

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jezzer Posted on 11/09/2019 11:52

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It's really about time we did away with this archaic and corrupt process once and for all. These gongs lost any true meaning decades ago and May's awards to failing spin doctors, nondescript political fixers and her favourite cricketer, who just happenes to have been convicted of assault, is shameful. The fact that her predecesors all did the same thing just further emphasise my point
Nothing against awards for the truly deserving but the current system just doesn't cut the mustard.
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Portseablue Posted on 11/09/2019 12:18
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And according to exgaffer if someone says they're innocent they have to be believed. Yes Boycott's said he's innocent (it's not like he's going to say he did batter her), the court however disagreed saying his version of events didn't add up.
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Deebo Posted on 11/09/2019 13:55
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"As I say - more women hit men than the other way round. This is hardly ever mentioned."

Hardly surprising it's hardly ever mentioned because this is not true. Do you just pluck your stats out of the air Gulf and hope nobody checks them?

"An estimated 1.3m women and 695,000 men experienced domestic abuse in the year up to 2018". Office for National Statistics

And that doesn't take into account the type of abuse men suffer is more likely to be emotional than physical, weakening your argument even further.

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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 11/09/2019 17:48

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Deebo,


On statistics - what percentages of rapes get reported? Is it well under the real number, and why is that?




Link: Info here
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exgaffer Posted on 11/09/2019 18:47

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It was a French court Deebo - well dodgy. 😎
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motowner Posted on 11/09/2019 19:59

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....and the award for the "Thickest Idiot of the Week" goes to Dimbo ....well done moosh you deserve it!!!
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smoke_and_a_pancake Posted on 11/09/2019 20:20

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What are your feelings on believing convictions exterm?
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motowner Posted on 11/09/2019 21:31

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I havn't got any "feelings" on it at all Smokey BB ....a talented batsman and a great commentator, nothing else interests me[^]
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hammie9 Posted on 11/09/2019 22:26

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top batsman, at a time when the other sides seemed to have all the best bowlers.
regarding the other nonsense, anyone with money is at risk of being accused in these days of trial by social media, look what the Beeb did to Cliff Richard. But he has a lot more money than Geoffrey and sued them in return.
More than overdue.
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Portseablue Posted on 11/09/2019 22:46

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Ah so if someone has money and says they're innocent we should believe them, I see.
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TufnellChimes Posted on 11/09/2019 23:01

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Jimmy Saville made sure we all put on our seat belts. Good bloke.
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smoke_and_a_pancake Posted on 11/09/2019 23:03

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Don't bring Cliff into it, you'll throw Gulf into a right old spin. He'll be conspiracy theory googling his little fingers off.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 11/09/2019 23:08

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Feel free to spin the discussion off tangent if you have lost the argument Smokey[8D]
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Portseablue Posted on 11/09/2019 23:13

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"Feel free to spin the discussion off tangent if you have lost the argument Smokey[8D]" that's something you're very good at doing Tomsk_of_Tonking [8D]
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smoke_and_a_pancake Posted on 11/09/2019 23:20
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Ha ha! What argument? This thread is like a textbook case in strawman arguing. What has the gender balance of domestic abuse got to do with Boycott?

Do tell us about Cliff though, nonce or not?
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 11/09/2019 23:30
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Says the man who is now overdosing on Cliff.
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smoke_and_a_pancake Posted on 11/09/2019 23:44

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Not sure I'm overdosing, just surprised you haven't bombarded is with Cliff facts from your special internet places. I was looking forward to reading how he attended secret meetings with George Soros is Welsh children's home. Stuff the "MSM won't report." Zzzzzzzzzz.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 11/09/2019 23:48

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I provided an interesting link which you haven't commented on, but instead you are going off a strawman cliff edge. Good effort.
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TufnellChimes Posted on 12/09/2019 00:03
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Hey Gulf, I followed your interesting link and quite quickly got here:

The New American is wholly owned by the The John Birch Society.

...and the following is provided by wikipedia:
The John Birch Society (JBS) is an advocacy group supporting anti-communism and limited government.[2][3][4] It has been described as a radical right and far-right organization.

Businessman and founder Robert W. Welch Jr. (1899–1985) developed an organizational infrastructure in 1958 of chapters nationwide. After an early rise in membership and influence, efforts by those such as conservative William F. Buckley Jr. and National Review led the JBS to be identified as a fringe element of the conservative movement, mostly in fear of the radicalization of the American right.[9][10] More recently Jeet Heer has argued in The New Republic that while the organization's influence peaked in the 1970s, "Bircherism" and its legacy of conspiracy theories has become the dominant strain in the conservative movement.[11] Politico has asserted that the JBS began making a resurgence in the mid-2010s,[12] and a large number of political analysts from across the spectrum have argued that it shaped the modern conservative movement and especially the Trump administration.[13] Writing in The Huffington Post, Andrew Reinbach called the JBS "the intellectual seed bank of the right."[14]

So in summary your "interesting link" is more worthless than interesting. Hope you're dumping those tin-foil stocks - the smart set are shorting.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 12/09/2019 00:15

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That's brilliant. I was mainly on about the Telegraph link though.


However, if you want to discuss the other link - then that's also great. I notice that the 'American' link quotes research from the University of Central Lancashire and the International Society for Research on Aggression. It's also great that the link provided also has at least 2 quotes the Guardian newspaper.

Still, why not just ignore the information contained within, and just concentrate on who publicized it. Maybe if the Sun newspaper announces who wins the next election - you can just ignore that as well.
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smoke_and_a_pancake Posted on 12/09/2019 01:29
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Do any of your links change the fact that Boycott was convicted?

Scraping the far reaches of the internet and changing the subject by going on about women's lib groups doesn't change that fact.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 12/09/2019 16:48

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Do any of your comments change the fact that people who are innocent get regularly convicted. Just look at some of the articles on this case. I bet you think Jimmy Savile was innocent because he was never convicted.

So Victoria Debyshire, the Women's Equality Party and several others commenting on the awful decision, and desiring a reversal of the decision doesn't constitute a women's liberation front. I bet you wouldn't report your missus to the police if she beat you black and blue with a frying pan, and it's possibly the same for almost all of your mates.

Poor Straw-man Smokey, he used to be quite a good poster. Now he just stays up till 1.30am trying to show us how much of a new man he is.
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smoke_and_a_pancake Posted on 12/09/2019 22:35

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WTF are you talking about? Of course innocent people are convicted, it's always a travesty, as it would be if Boycott was innocent. But at the moment he is a convicted domestic abuser who has been given a knighthood. Those are facts completely irrelevant of your fear of women.

As for staying up to 1.30, you have absolutely no idea about what I might be doing at 1.30, out even what country I'm in.

I do know that you spend every day on here googling tin foil hat nonsense to bore us with.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 12/09/2019 22:44

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Now he's changed the subject again, and going on about 'fear of women'. Another straw-man for Smokey?

I just come on in the evenings for a giggle.
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Portseablue Posted on 12/09/2019 22:59

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Gulf, why are you so convinced that Boycott is innocent? The answer is you don't seem to like women and Boycott's one of your idols and that clouds your opinion.
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smoke_and_a_pancake Posted on 12/09/2019 23:00

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You keep going on about women's lib and domestic violence towards men.

I'm not changing the subject, get back to the original subject, should a conviction for beating up your girlfriend stop you getting a knighthood?
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 12/09/2019 23:05

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It was a foreign court, there is no public feeling in France to relook at the case details - as nobody knows who Boycott is.

In this country, some of the media have looked at the details, and think the court finding was incorrect. Why are all these women's groups overlooking this?
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smoke_and_a_pancake Posted on 12/09/2019 23:06

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Brilliant. So is that a yes or a no?
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 12/09/2019 23:10
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For a chap who likes to think he is quite sophisticated, you do seem to like to bring things down to simple black or white responses.


Did you read the Telegraph article, have you read related articles, do you remember some of the thoughts about this case at the time?

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smoke_and_a_pancake Posted on 12/09/2019 23:18

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No answer then?
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 12/09/2019 23:24

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If you can't be bothered to take the time and do a bit of research to try to understand if there is a bit more meat to this story, then you should content yourself to stay on base 1 with this story.

The reason I put links up is for people to make their own mind up. You have apparently chosen to take the mainline BBC angle. Well done.
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TufnellChimes Posted on 12/09/2019 23:36

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So he was convicted for punching his girlfriend twenty times to the face and body. And you’re sticking up for him?
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smoke_and_a_pancake Posted on 12/09/2019 23:40

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I still don't understand. I get that you can Google the views of people who can be bothered to publish their (no less biased than the BBC) opinions. Respect to you for reading it.

But given that the facts are that he is still a convicted domestic abuser, do you think that that fact should perhaps stop him from receiving a knigthood?

It's a simple enough question to answer.


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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 12/09/2019 23:49

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"But the Telegraph has discovered that Miss Moore admitted to a friend that she had slipped on a marble floor and hit her head, causing the injury she later claimed was caused by Boycott.


A relative of Mrs Moore has also told the Telegraph that she believes Boycott is innocent and should be knighted".

Miss Moore had been dismissed by a British judge as a liar during one of several hearings relating to her business.
.......Mr Registrar James, who made a bankruptcy order against Miss Moore, said her evidence was “characterised by inconsistency which was of such a degree as to suggest a deliberate lack of truthfulness”.


I genuinely don't think I can help you two out with your very simplistic views on life. Bonne nuit.
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smoke_and_a_pancake Posted on 13/09/2019 00:13

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That's it. Run away. Come back when you can make a decision.
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Portseablue Posted on 13/09/2019 00:45

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Tomsk_of_Tonking, the reason you put links up is to try to get people to agree your convicted domestic abuser idol is innocent, unfortunately for you it's not working and nobody's buying what you say.
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Deebo Posted on 13/09/2019 08:26
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I read that Telegraph article Gulf some time back. It's written specifically for a readership that would love Boycott to be innocent because he reflects their own values and prejudices. You can find this revisionist shït all over the place written to sell books and papers. Try this for size:
rolfharrisisinnocent.com

Whilst I am in no way saying every conviction is sound the vast majority are. In Boycott's case the judge listened to the depositions and decided his version of events didn't stack up with the injuries received. His problem was the case was heard in France, not because their courts are "well dodgy" but because it wasn't swayed by his "star status" and there was little prospect of the judge being one of his blinkered fans. She made a judgement on the evidence and stands by it to this day.

I don't know if you have any first hand experience of domestic violence but I have witnessed it first hand both in the family and, at present, it's going on over the road. This may colour my judgement about this case but then often the things we feel most strongly about are the things we have experienced directly.

With regard to the wider point I think in this case May was star-struck and thought, I've met him a few times and he seems OK, he might even be innocent, fvck it I'm out of here anyway, I'll give a gong to a convicted criminal on the off-chance he may be telling the truth because he is my hero. Now ask yourself why do a lot of people think that's wrong.
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jezzer Posted on 13/09/2019 10:21

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Excellent post Deebo[^]
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Portseablue Posted on 13/09/2019 15:52

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pompeyhighlander Posted on 13/09/2019 17:23

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I've been in Boycott's company once in my life. That was decades ago. I can say with confidence that he's a boorish, opinionated, foul-mouthed, disrespectful, Yorkshire bar steward. Brexit supporter, it turns out. What a fekkin surprise!
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 13/09/2019 17:52

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"That's it. Run away. Come back when you can make a decision."[cr]


What an extremely weak post, made after someone retires just before midnight.
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smoke_and_a_pancake Posted on 13/09/2019 19:18

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I don't know what time it is where you are, I imagine it's a bunker somewhere hiding from the deep state.

Still, now you are here, how's about you answer the question, you avoided a few times before retiring.
I trust you rested fitfully and are now clear headed about knighting convicted cricket bores.


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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 13/09/2019 19:24

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More straw-man stuff from Smokey. First it was Cliff, then it was fear of women, now it's deep state. is there any tangent he won't go off on.


I made up my mind a while ago, there's more to this story than meets the eye, and I certainly don't give a damn about Knighthoods.

I'm not sure you're with it enough to understand though. What a shame.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 13/09/2019 20:13

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So the Telegraph represents the 'Boycott' kind of person, and would therefore try to portray him as innocent. Bizarre. [:O]

The Rolf Harris comment is hilarious. He had 3 or 4 UK accusers, as well as lots more in Australia, NZ and strangely in Malta. Boycott on the other hand had loads of girlfriends, sometimes having more than one on the go at the same time. Strangely a number of these women were lining up to give evidence in support of him, saying he was just not violent, including one who admitted they had a feisty relationship, often arguing, but never violent. Spot the difference.
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Portseablue Posted on 13/09/2019 20:20

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You really are determined that your idol's innocent ain't you Tomsk_of_Tonking? How do you know these ex's that have spoken about how wonderful he is ain't saying it cos they're getting nicely paid?
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smoke_and_a_pancake Posted on 13/09/2019 20:47

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Not sure you understand the term. I keep asking the same question, you keep avoiding it.

Do you think that awarding a knighthood to an already convicted domestic abuser is a good idea? Do you at least understand that this sends out a message about taking convictions seriously, especially one for that crime?

How many rapes are reported is irrelevant, as are the Birmingham/Guildford convictions. Whether you give a damn or not about knighthoods isn't relevant (you give a damn about the story otherwise you wouldn't still be posting about it). What any women's lib group or individual thinks shouldn't be important to your opinion, you could have a go at making your own mind up.

It seems that you think its ok based on the fact that you can find some journalistic evidence to question how safe the conviction is, without questioning that the "BBC" view (Boycott's employers remember) and all those papers and news outlets who are not questioning it might believe it to be very safe.

Is it ok or not? Why can't you answer the question? It is as if finding alternative views about stuff is some how some greater truth that means you don't have to voice your own opinion, just keep throwing googled "evidence" at the question. I find it utterly bizarre.
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Deebo Posted on 13/09/2019 21:42

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The Telegraph wrote a one-sided and inaccurate article that supports Boycott because that's what their readers want to hear.

The Harris site is an illustration that revisionist claims are usually totally ridiculous and not intended be a comparison of guilt with regard to the Boycott case.

Take your time and think about it.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 13/09/2019 23:35

Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
Haha. The telegraph article was based on someone trying to investigate the facts. It was refreshing because it one of the few articles that concentrated on the details of the case rather than emotion - which is prevalent on the left sided media with this case. If you choose to side with the emotions rather than details that is your choice.

I can list some of these facts out if you like, it might even help out Smokey who is having a bit of a meltdown. He seems to think that most of life's truths are written in the MSM.


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smoke_and_a_pancake Posted on 13/09/2019 23:47

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I think I am having a meltdown.

Is it my imagination or are you exhibiting the symptoms of some kind of pathological Syndrome whereby you can't express your own opinion and just say yes or no but can only Google info?no
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 13/09/2019 23:55
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Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
I have given details of the case, and quoted one article, but you keep repeating yourself, and appear to be just getting angrier. Now you are going on about google. Another tangent?

PS - I'm just nipping out of the house for 30-40 mins, just in case you think I have run away.
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smoke_and_a_pancake Posted on 13/09/2019 23:59

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Gulf's long suffering mum,
"Tea or coffee Gulf?"

Gulf, "Coffee is traded in futures contracts on many exchanges, including the New York Board of Trade, New York Mercantile Exchange, New York Intercontinental Exchange, and the London International Financial Futures and Options Exchange. The world's largest transfer point for coffee is the port of Hamburg, Germany."

"So you want coffee?"

"Some leftist news sources in the MSM report that the tea industry is linked to modern slavery, what they don't tell you is that white people where once made slaves by Africans and black Africans played a big part in profiting from the slave trade."

Repeat to fade.
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smoke_and_a_pancake Posted on 14/09/2019 00:03

Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
I've read your details, I still think it is inadvisable to recommend a convicted abuser for a knighthood. Do you agree or disagree?

*Go on, evade the question and post some more details I XXXXXX dare you.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 14/09/2019 00:05

Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
Not quite gone yet, going now.

You do like tangents don't you? [cr][cr]



Why don't you tell me why it is that you attacked me first on this thread, but it is you who has become emotional[LOVE]
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Portseablue Posted on 14/09/2019 00:08

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Gulf, it's hilarious that you talk about people going off on a tangent when you're the biggest culprit for avoiding the subject [cr] you realise you're like Deeply_bluetinted in that you think you're an intelligent person when in fact you're just a prick with no mates [cr]
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smoke_and_a_pancake Posted on 14/09/2019 00:18

Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
Because I don't like it when people try to justify violence against women (old school I know).

And I'm not getting emotional.

Answering questions is easy, you might find it liberating.

Do you want me to answer my one for you? Show you how it's done?
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smoke_and_a_pancake Posted on 14/09/2019 00:28

Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
I'll do it for you, here goes, prepare to be dazzled....

Do you think it is a bad idea to give a convicted abuser a knighthood?

Well, I've googled a lot about this subject and I'm not convinced he's guilty, but to answer your question, it would probably be controversial as his conviction still stands so even though I think he was a successful opening batsman, it was a bad idea.

There, no dithering around in a internet search corridor of uncertainty. Thank me later, good luck with any future opinions.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 14/09/2019 01:16

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Who is justifying violence against women?

You are getting emotional, you have just admitted it, and are posting like there is no tomorrow.

I gave my opinions earlier on in the thread, and I don't give two hoots about knighthoods, they give them out to enough unscrupulous, dodgy, lying, thieving pedos as it is.

I don't need you to show me any answers, your particular opinion won't effect my life, but for some reason my opinions on this court case have got you all bunged up.

There is a lot more to this case than is being reported in the MSM, and maybe that is why he got his knighthood. And I'm not bothered about Boycott either way, and I don't exclusively read right wing rags.

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Deebo Posted on 14/09/2019 06:30
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Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
You're on rocky ground there Gulf. Using the Torygraph as your one and only source of "factual" information. Most of the article is either untrue, hearsay or supposition. A few examples:

"But the Telegraph has discovered that Miss Moore admitted to a friend that she had slipped on a marble floor and hit her head, causing the injury she later claimed was caused by Boycott."

In fact it was shown in court the hotel room floor was heavily carpeted. Hard to slip on a carpet. Even harder to crack your head on with enough force to cause those injuries. The source is not attributed. If it is true why not put a name to it?

"A relative of Mrs Moore has also told the Telegraph that she believes Boycott is innocent and should be knighted."

Not a fact but an unattributed quote which could be from anybody or nobody. Why didn't they have the courage to print a name? A totally valueless comment.

"The accused presented 11-12 character witnesses at the hearing some of who included his former mistresses who testified to his lack of violence and aggression in their relationships."

Boycott became aggressive and unpredictable during the hearing, swearing and shouting at the prosecution and displaying the exact opposite of the character traits he was hoping to promote. Despite all of the effort taken and costs incurred to prove otherwise his true self was there for all to see. He just couldn't control himself in a pressure situation. Think about the implications of that on the court.

A fact is something that has happened and not a half-baked supposition or allusion from some tatty rag with an agenda. The Telegraph is the ultimate mouthpiece of the establishment and May one of its former poster girls. Far from being a victim of "The System" your mate would appear to be being protected and endorsed by it.
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smirnoffexpress Posted on 14/09/2019 10:16

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It did not need a court to decide if he was a wife beater, he is from Yorkshire its what they all do after a couple of pints.
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smoke_and_a_pancake Posted on 14/09/2019 14:33

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Very very slowly.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 15/09/2019 21:25
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Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
A typical reaction from Boycott then, he was annoyed and didn't change his behaviour for the court.

Here are the details

1. She was facing bankruptcy because of her trading debts and the outcome of a bitter divorce from her husband and former business partner.
2. These legal battles led her to court. After one hearing over the disposal of assets from the company she had once owned with her husband, she was described by three separate Appeal Court judges as ‘fraudulent and dishonest’.
She approached Max Clifford about getting money for a story, she suggested a million. He laughed at her.
3. Boycott's own solicitors were offered a cash deal to shut her up.
4. She admitted that Boycott had tried to leave the hotel, and that he had booked a taxi, and she found him packing his bags and started throwing his clothes out of the window to which he the 'altercation' began.
5. After the altercation, she bought him an expensive tie and bombarded him with romantic messages. ‘You are the only man in my life and the only one I want,’ said one. This after stating to the Police after the hotel incident "Mr Boycott is a violent man of whom I am afraid". She has also stated that he beat her up several times.


1- She was in debt, and needing money, she approached Max Clifford and also asked Boycott's solicitors to take a bung. Why did he refuse to pay her?
4 - Is an interesting one. He quietly tried to leave, but she called the concierge to find out where he was - as he said he'd meet her by the pool. Then of course, he suddenly decided to smack here in the face 20 times - rather than leaving quietly????
5 - Why the hell would she leave him a romantic message after he beat her to a pulp? He of course decided to have nothing to do with her after this.
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Deebo Posted on 16/09/2019 05:22
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Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 10/09/2019 17:34

"even if he did hit a women - I bet she deserved it. She was probably moaning and moaning about not getting enough freebies."

You've already made the point about extortion in your first post (above) at the same time as showing your true attitude to the perpretration of domestic violence on a woman.

Moving on, how about finally answering the question posed in the OP and which you have continually avoided.

Do you think it right or wrong that the government should be honouring those convicted of domestic abuse, given the fact that by doing so, you trivialise and demean the suffering of the many men, women and children who have had their lives ruined as a consequence of their abuser's actions?

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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 16/09/2019 22:43

Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
Quite a lot of jest in the first few posts. thought you may have spotted that.


What you also apparently have failed to spot - is that Boycott always says it as it is, never changes his bolshy attitude - even in court, and wouldn't pay off anyone when he had the opportunity. Was he just tight, stupid - or innocent?

And his accuser always seems to lie, even in court.

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Deebo Posted on 17/09/2019 07:08
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Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
Ah, so you were "jesting". What's next on your subject-list of comedy classics. Genocide? Infant mortality?

I did spot that Ms Moore asked for a token 1 franc of damages at the trial which rather blows all of your hard Googling on the gold digger theory clean out of the water.

I also spotted something that is funny though. You have so far called a fake make up artist, the Torygraph, an imaginary second cousin and now Max Clifford (ffs) as witnesses for the defence. Just as well you weren't Boycott's lawyer as he would have got 20 years solitary.

Oh, and I spotted that you still avoid answering the question posed in the OP. I guess we'll just have to assume that you are too frightened of being embarrassed by the answer.
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Portseablue Posted on 17/09/2019 13:47

Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
My neighbour is a convicted wife beater but he denies he touched her, should we believe he's innocent?
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Deebo Posted on 17/09/2019 14:24

Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
Only if he's scored over 8000 test runs and got a bunch of mates in the press and parliament.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 17/09/2019 16:09

Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
First few posts. Any jesting there?

"master bater of Aggers",
"Knight him with a stick of rhubarb your Mag"
"Wise words from Brexit's Wailer in Chief".
"I'm not sure Geoffrey ever played for England or for that matter Yorkshire. He played for...well team Geoffrey.[:D]"

Yes, and most from Deebo.


Most of his mates in the media? The vast majority of comments in the media are about how Geoffrey's been a naughty boy, and doesn't deserve a Knighthood. Hardly any looking at the details though.


Here is a very interesting comment from a 'lefty' rag.

"In a seven-page written explanation of her verdict, the judge made it clear that Boycott's behaviour in court - telling Ms Moore's lawyer to "shut up" at one stage - had counted against him" So Boycott's normal behaviour let him down.

Back to the Telegraph (a right of centre rag - which some people will just ignore - cos it's probably fascist
"As well as the demand for £150,000 from Boycott, the BBC commentator's barrister received a phone call from another lawyer acting for Mrs Moore in which she demanded £1 million in return for her silence".

Boycott, a protected member of the establishment[cr][cr][cr][cr][cr][cr][cr]

And no, I am not bothered about Knighthoods. I have said this previously.
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Deebo Posted on 17/09/2019 16:12

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I give up on you. You’ve come up with nothing original on the case and your Googled amateurish pile of “facts” – inaccuracies, hearsay and speculation – hasn’t made me change my mind one bit about Boycott’s guilt. You’ve shown you are clueless about the nature of domestic abuse and that you don’t give a fvck about its victims with your hoary old cliché “I bet she deserved it” comment. The last week you’ve spent ignoring the obvious and operating your usual modus operandi of digging an enormous hole for yourself and then trying to backfill it with obscure and untrue Googled garbage. This has become more about your ego than any interest in a fair trial. Most of the time you do this on unimportant subjects - this time it’s important and as far as I’m concerned at least you've fvcked up.

And all the while you still sneakily avoid giving an opinion on the original point of the OP.

As far as I’m concerned, by being an apologist for the likes of Boycott you’ve become complicit in his crime along with that hypocrite May and his mates in the establishment and press.

Guilty as sin. Wrong decision to give him an honour, stop trying to justify it.
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exgaffer Posted on 17/09/2019 16:28

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Such outrage Deebo.

Just because domestic violence exists, that doesn’t mean that every accusation should be believed.

The woman WAS trying to fleece him if his money, so it’s not too much of a stretch that she might stitch him up.

That doesn’t mean that anyone asking those questions is condoning violence ffs.
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Deebo Posted on 17/09/2019 16:33
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Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
Not outraged, just amazed. If the bugger had beaten me black and blue I'd try to fleece him as well. No surprise there.

How do you explain her injuries?
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 17/09/2019 16:57

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With all dues respect Deebo - you are talking utter Rhubarb

3 appeal court judges called her a liar with respect to her business. Another Judge stated her “deliberate lack of truthfulness”

Even one of her own clients said she was untruthful, and joined Boycott's side.

Nobody is condemning violence, that is just another little escape route - I am saying she is serial liar, and she was heavily in debt.

She even called Boycott tight, but in another statement told how he bought her a ring and a necklace. She also told him she was loaded, and never told him about her huge debts. I wonder why?


Boycott stated that when she found him packing to go, she at one stage put herself out on the balcony/ window ledge and threatened to throw herself off unless he stayed. Do you believe him?

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Deebo Posted on 17/09/2019 17:07
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Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
"Nobody is condemning violence"

Well I'm condemning violence - you're condoning it. And the reason for that is no matter what dirt you dish about her character and her motives you haven't given a reasonable explanation of those injuries. Boycott admitted there was a fight. He used that old chestnut used by wifebeaters the world over - she slipped and fell. No I don't believe him.
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Portseablue Posted on 17/09/2019 17:13

Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
You really do love your Torygraph and believe whatever it says cos it has the same right wing opinions you have and wants to believe your idol is innocent even though he was convicted and an expert stated that his wife's injuries couldn't have been caused by a fall which is what your idol said caused them, why would he lie about what caused the injuries if he was innocent?
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 17/09/2019 17:15

Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
So a serial liar says she was beaten, and has loads of photos to prove it.

She wanted to marry him - why? If he was so violent?

Numerous girlfriends turned up to say he wasn't violent. He even had victims of slippages in the uk turn up to show evidence of similar bruising.

The French system means guilty until proven innocent. Boycott had to prove that she was lying - but went all Boycott in the courtroom and told Moore's lawyer to shut up. very Boycott that - and the Judge decided that this comment went against him.

Why do you believe her?

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Deebo Posted on 17/09/2019 17:16
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Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
I had a sister with injuries like that who used to slip and fall every weekend when her partner got home from the pub. She was controlled and frightened by the bully but still thought she loved him. That's why I believe her.

What caused those injuries?
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 17/09/2019 17:19

Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
Well, Geoff doesn't know - and assumed it was when they slipped on the floor.

How come you know?

Do you believe a word that she says?
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Deebo Posted on 17/09/2019 17:24

Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
What caused those injuries?
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 17/09/2019 17:25

Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
What caused her to lie?

again, and again



and again, and again?

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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 17/09/2019 17:29

Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
Here's another jest.

What have Deebo and Margaret Moore got in common?








They both like Rhubarb.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 17/09/2019 17:40

Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
Boycott never lived with her, they just used to meet up for holidays and away days. She just needed to stop meeting him - if she was scared of him - but she didn't. She even wanted to marry him. very different from your example.

Not one other woman has accused him of being violent - not even once. But the serial liar Miss Moore has.

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smoke_and_a_pancake Posted on 17/09/2019 23:33

Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
If I may interject....

"All she had to do is stop meeting him" is a typical response of those with no understanding of domestic violence. Maybe do a bit of googling on that subject. But also, was it a good idea for May to put him forward for a knighthood is not the same question as was he innocent it guilty? That's one of the questions you've been avoiding Gulf and to do so for nearly a ton puts you very firmly in troll territory. Not called Dave are you by any chance?
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 17/09/2019 23:42

Arise Sir Geoffrey ...

 
You can interject,


But if you could have done some research, you would have found that he was living in the UK, and she was living in Monaco. So they were living separate lives. She had her business in Monaco - and he would fly all over the place on his business - and she would often fly out to meet him in a hotel.

Not a good interjection tbh.
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