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fodgey-ducker Posted on 11/02/2019 08:03
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The pillock Grayling could not run Hayling ferry, what a shambles this Tory Govt is..[:D]
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pompeyhighlander Posted on 11/02/2019 08:22

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Not only a ferry company with no ferries but also Ramsgate can no longer accommodate ferries. WTF??
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Isaac-Hunt Posted on 11/02/2019 08:54

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Cue..The Hard
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stayinupforever Posted on 11/02/2019 12:51

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All governments are shambles but Grayling is the weakest transport minister for years.
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PompeyLor Posted on 11/02/2019 15:04

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Never underestimate the intelligence level of a leaver.... Especially one given responsibility.
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exgaffer Posted on 11/02/2019 15:50

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The government (indeed the whole fecking House of Commons) is mostly made up of Remainers, so the fact that the government is a shambles is demonstrably nothing to do with people being Leavers, indeed the opposite is more likely. itís actually just the general incompetence of politicians, nothing to do with who voted to Leave and who did not.

Iím surprised a genius like you hasnít twigged that Lor [8D].
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pompeyhighlander Posted on 11/02/2019 15:59

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Train timetables. The Gatwick drone. The Ramsgate ferry contract. FFS how many more times?
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Briefcase_wanchor Posted on 11/02/2019 16:40

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If you think heís bad now, itís nothing to his stint as the Justice secretary which was largely catastrophic. No legal background and just didnít have a Scooby.

Heís the MP in my sisters constituency where the threat of local hospitals being merged would be disasterous for clinical care, but heís not interested in listening to reason. The blokes a disaster wherever he goes.
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Pedalo_menders Posted on 11/02/2019 16:53
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So let me try and understand this logic...

Brexit causes a £100 million problem and some how that's the fault of the remainers? I'm surprised you're not saying this is nothing to do with Brexit. Its a small step in the right direction at least! It's all going to sh;t (at least you can see that now) but it's the remainers fault, of course. [rle]

Edit - Got the wrong end of the stick! Glad we're all in agreement its the incompetency of the politicians that is compounding the issue. I hope its a 'head up' to anyone who thinks re-nationalising our transport infrastructure (or indeed any of the privatised businesses) is a good idea.

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exgaffer Posted on 11/02/2019 17:52

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Our government is a complete shambles and couldnít organise a XXXXXX up in a brewery (if there are any breweries left after their policies have decimated the brewing and pub trades).

Itís time for proportional representation and for a government that has the interests of the people as itís prime concern rather than the interests of political parties.

None of our major political parties is fit for, or capable of, governing the country. The alternative to the current shower is a Labour Party that has veered so far to the left that it has no place in a Western democracy. Apart from anything else, we would have Diane Abbott as Home Secretary ffs [xx(]

We need talented people to run the government, people not blinded by party dogma.

We need to get back to electing good local representatives who will go to Westminster and represent us, not themselves. We need an electorate that doesnít vote along party lines but actually engages their brains and votes for the best candidate.

We wonít get any of these things of course but itís a nice thought. We really do get the government we deserve.
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Pedalo_menders Posted on 11/02/2019 18:01

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holy smokes, I agree with all of that gaffer! [:O]
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Cressers Posted on 11/02/2019 18:03

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But a party list PR would exacerbate the problem, severing the link between representative and constituents as well as promoting robot politicians who will do whatever is required to stay on the party list. It is for this reason the EU are so keen on PR, even introducing a version of it for the EU parliament elections. (Another red line crossed - meddling in electoral organisation - which should have remained the purview of individual states, more or less unnoticed in the drive to an ever closer union.)
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TufnellChimes Posted on 11/02/2019 20:13

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How did you vote in the AV referendum Ex?
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 11/02/2019 20:28

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When was the last time we had a "government that has the interests of the people as itís prime concern"?

I would genuinely like to know

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TufnellChimes Posted on 11/02/2019 23:02
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Never. Never ever.

The tories are in the pockets of the lobbyists - The Institute of Economic Affairs, The Adam Smith Institute, Tax Payers Alliance and all the other crims at 55 Tufton St before you even get to the hedge funds, the corporates, the established political aristocracy; the Labour Party seem to be held in the grip of the Labour Friends of Israel - dunno how that happened - maybe Netanyahu is dropping the big bucks.

John Smith maybe could've done something if he hadn't gone and died before getting the chance. Keir Starmer is probably the best bet, but he has to manoeuvre his way ahead of Corbyn first. And Corbyn, though, GoT - you'd never vote for him, has spent a lot of years as a pain-in-the-neck MP to all parties, but has found himself on the right side of history most of the time - but I'm guessing you'd say he was a danger to the economy (like its not on a precipice already).
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 11/02/2019 23:30

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You have to ask why was John Smith at these meetings?

Link: Santiago de Compostela
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TufnellChimes Posted on 11/02/2019 23:44
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GoT, I didn't have you down as one of the tin foil milliners. I don't know either - probably coz they have to, Denis Healey used to go to these things as well, and I think he was alright. In 1972, Willie Whitelaw had secret meetings with the IRA - way before Corbyn, but maybe that was a good thing and made it easier for the eventual GFA. Who can say?
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CountVonCount Posted on 11/02/2019 23:48

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Proportional representation or whatever you want to call it letís the smaller parties in. Sometimes the sort of people like the SWP and BNP where the lights are on but no ones at home.
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exgaffer Posted on 12/02/2019 09:07

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Gulf, thatís exactly my point.

CVC, proportional representation gives everyone a say, which is the whole point of democracy.

It takes power away from the big parties and forces everyone to discuss the issues and COMPROMISE.

It can only be a good thing.

We need to stop this merry go round of Tory and Labour governments which has ruined the country.
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yellowcheesemonkey Posted on 12/02/2019 09:34
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Yep ...PR has to be the way to go -try anything to stop the merry-go-round of big parties boll0xing everything up.

Would have had a better chance of getting ĎDockerí Hughes elected under PR [:D]
(not sure if thats a good (democracy) or bad thing (the poitics)
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Cressers Posted on 12/02/2019 11:11

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PR was rejected in the 2011 referendum.
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PompeyLor Posted on 12/02/2019 12:52

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Most politicians are incompetent but at least some of them are not stupid enough to recognise that they are basically turkeys voting for a second Christmas.

I didn't actually know for certain Grayling was a leaver but you can usually tell by looking at them and noting the general level of stupidity, ignorance or greed that secretes regularly from their mouths. And Graylings' level of incompetence puts him right in the middle of the increasingly panic-stricken troff. Even if facts aren't your specialty, siding with dipsticks like Boris and the spineless ERG, is all the clues any sane, reasonable person should need to work out which argument actually stacks up and which is just baseless lies. Weren't you in the least embarrassed when David Davies was appointed DexEU minister and got to go on big planes for a whole 18 months before shooting his load at the first sign of actually having to deal with long words?? I mean, David Davies!!!!

Mind you when you've got a leaver patriot like Dyson who's moving his organisation to Singapore, a country that recently signed a trade deal with the EU and therefore still able to enjoy its benefits, nothing surprises me anymore about that lot. The EU hating Nigel Farage accepting a lifelong five-figure annual EU pension or that bedrock of respectability, Aaron Banks. What a bunch of principled men you find yourself supporting!

Oh and don't worry about Grayling. He'll be okay. As shown above, he'll be looked after whatever happens.







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jezzer Posted on 12/02/2019 23:03

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Just discovered Grayling was born on April 1st. Somewhat appropriate.
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exgaffer Posted on 13/02/2019 11:31

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Yes Cressers but I think 8 years is a decent interval, especially in light of the recent performance of the House of Commons.

People must realise by now that the two party system is broken and doesn't deliver the government we need.

Oh and before some smart Alec says I'm being a hypocrite by opposing the will of the people in 2011, we haven't even left the EU yet, so no comparison can be made between two referenda. One was honoured, the other (disgracefully) was not.
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yellowcheesemonkey Posted on 13/02/2019 11:53
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2011 was a referendum on Alternative Vote system, not full PR.
Alternative Vote systems can actaully lead to even more mainstream candidates being elected, not less.
It's unlikely thta UKIP would have got seats under this -can't see many epople having them as second choice on a voting slip.

The referendum should have contained a provisio about ternout -only about 40% of people voted.
Ihe referendum was just asop to the Lib Dems for getting into bed with the Tories.
Since most Lib Dem voters hate Tories, it's not surprsing the vote got lost.

Full PR , such as Singlr Transferable Vote (STV)was put up for discussion by parrliamentary committee as part of the deal.
The UK actually came close to this in the 1920s.
Under this system protest votes could matter and the 2 main parties could break up into their more natural blocks, a betetr spread of parties.

And gaffers right -so much has changed in the last 8 years -much more than usual.

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