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SOPompey Posted on 07/06/2018 08:20
Edited On: 07/06/2018 08:22What a bunch of retards
 
 
All those news outlets reporting new man u signing Dalot cost 19.8m???

When he has a release clause for 17.4m.

Bunch of mongs/retards/spacas etc etc

[:P]
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yellowcheesemonkey Posted on 07/06/2018 09:04

What a bunch of retards

 
You mentioned release clause [:D]
THats like saying Jehovah to some people on here [xx(]

Link: linky
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TAFKAGDR Posted on 07/06/2018 09:58

What a bunch of retards

 
Hmmm, let's see. Either we're on Planet Deep, he has a £17.4m release clause and Porto legally have to accept all offers of £17.4m, and Man Utd have decided to pay an extra £2m for no reason whatsoever.

Or, as the news media outlets have all pointed out, his release clause becomes active on June 30th and Man Utd offered more now precisely to stop other clubs trying to sign him for £17.4m in a few weeks time, when Porto legally cannot reject offers of that amount. Because that's how releases clauses work. Obviously.

I wonder which scenario it could be?

You'd have to be a pretty enormous spacker to think clubs will willingly give money to other clubs for absolutely no reason whatsoever though, wouldn't you Soppy?

Will you be one of the two billion or so that attend the press conference when he's announced as a Man U player?
He'll look so much more favourably on the deal now, eh?
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Pompeyfandan Posted on 07/06/2018 10:51

What a bunch of retards

 
Or it could be something to do with exchange rates. The release clause in the player's contract definitely would not be stated in sterling. Perhaps the fee was agreed some time ago and the currencies have moved.
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SOPompey Posted on 07/06/2018 11:37

What a bunch of retards

 
Ah so I see Giles so if they had waited then they would have been in exactly the same position as pompey were?

Correct?
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TAFKAGDR Posted on 07/06/2018 13:04

What a bunch of retards

 
I have no idea what position Pompey were in. With regards to what?
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TAFKAGDR Posted on 08/06/2018 12:04

What a bunch of retards

 
Well soppy certainly went quiet quickly. Anyone else need the incredibly simple concept of release clauses explained to them?
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OptimusPrimus Posted on 08/06/2018 12:17

What a bunch of retards

 
Me please. Just a quick refresher if it wouldn't trouble you too much?
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TAFKAGDR Posted on 08/06/2018 12:22

What a bunch of retards

 
Sure. It's the amount stipulated in a contract that kicks off a bidding war, as clubs continually bid higher and higher amounts so that the player they want to sign will look more favourably at the deal. As a rule of thumb, whatever the amount of the release clause is, clubs should offer at least double in order to seal the deal.

This isn't rocket science.
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yellowcheesemonkey Posted on 08/06/2018 12:26
Edited On: 08/06/2018 12:27
What a bunch of retards

 
Giles..is there such a thing as a release clause to a release clause ?? [xx(]

Cant resist pouring petrol onto the barbercue
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OptimusPrimus Posted on 08/06/2018 12:38
Edited On: 08/06/2018 12:39
What a bunch of retards

 
Short and simple, thanks for that.

I'm on about buying a car this weekend which is up for £4,990.

I'm concerned that other buyers are sniffing around it.

Should I offer £9,980 to make sure I get the car?

I really want the car and I hope the seller looks favourably on the deal?
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TAFKAGDR Posted on 08/06/2018 12:39

What a bunch of retards

 
Is the dealer legally obliged to accept £4990?
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OptimusPrimus Posted on 08/06/2018 12:39

What a bunch of retards

 
I believe so.
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Bluetag Posted on 08/06/2018 13:16

What a bunch of retards

 
Then offer him £9980 to make sure you get it
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Tomsk Posted on 08/06/2018 13:49

What a bunch of retards

 
Just to be clear, as Optimus has muddied the water somewhat, if I go in to Tesco to buy a cabbage is the price on the label the actual price I pay or the minimum price Tesco will accept to release the cabbage?
Tbh I'm getting a tad confused!
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SOPompey Posted on 08/06/2018 16:31

What a bunch of retards

 
Interestingly (Or not) it's the player who has to pay the release clause fee. And all the associated taxes. Only the player can trigger the release clause apparently.

Incoming

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yellowcheesemonkey Posted on 08/06/2018 16:55

What a bunch of retards

 
Is there a release clause from release clause threads on here[:D]
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Tomsk Posted on 08/06/2018 17:00

What a bunch of retards

 
So does the cabbage have a say?
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yellowcheesemonkey Posted on 08/06/2018 17:04
Edited On: 08/06/2018 17:05
What a bunch of retards

 
Tomsk [^] ROFL
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RavoPFC Posted on 08/06/2018 17:08

What a bunch of retards

 
I thought we were talking about Pete for second.
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TAFKAGDR Posted on 08/06/2018 17:16

What a bunch of retards

 
Soppy struggling to distinguish between buyout clauses and release clauses I see, but seeing how bamboozled he is by the latter I'm not going to bother explaining the former or we'll be here for another three years.
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SOPompey Posted on 08/06/2018 17:33

What a bunch of retards

 
Are you sure about that Giles?

Link: Clause or not a clause
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TAFKAGDR Posted on 08/06/2018 18:55

What a bunch of retards

 
When are you and Deep going to give this up? You're embarrassing yourselves.

In Portugal and Spain they use buyout clauses, where technically the buying club gives the player the transfer fee and the player has to buy himself out of his contract for the amount specified. In the UK they just cut out the middle man and pay the club directly. The effect is exactly the same. But let's be honest, if the concept of release clauses fly straight over your head then you've got absolutely no chance with this.

PS Have you found the missing 1.8bn royal wedding viewers yet?

Link: More rocket science
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DeepBlue Posted on 08/06/2018 19:08

What a bunch of retards

 
Don't drag me into this.

I walked away from our debate when Catlin confirmed that I was right about Wallace having a release clause and going for more, and I'm not being sucked back in.

Link: The final word on Wallace
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TAFKAGDR Posted on 08/06/2018 19:14

What a bunch of retards

 
Can you point out the bit where Catlin said Wallace had a £275k release clause? Thanks.

You walked away from the debate because you lost it three years ago. When your argument is that Wolves chucked us £390k for absolutely no reason whatsoever then it's always going to be a difficult debate to win.
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DeepBlue Posted on 08/06/2018 19:29

What a bunch of retards

 
I'm not here to help you read the words.

But I'll give you a clue .. it starts with "Catlin believes ...."

You can try squirming out of it if you like by saying it is not a direct quote, but frankly I think your time might be better spent trying to understand WHY Wolves paid more not IF. That debate is won.


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TAFKAGDR Posted on 08/06/2018 19:45

What a bunch of retards

 
Erm, it isn't a direct quote. It's just more of the same from a pretty mediocre local sports hack. The same hack who said that Wallace was sold for £275k.

I know exactly why Wolves paid more than £275k. It's because he wasn't available for £275k, because Wolves CEO has a fiduciary responsibility to act in the interests of Wolves' shareholders, and that certainly includes not giving another football club £390k for no reason whatsoever.

It's certainly plausible that Wallace's contract was similar to the case Soppy brought up, and a £275k release clause became active at a certain date in the future but Wolves wanted to ensure they signed him and bid more before the clause came into effect to beat off any competition.

But that is not your argument. Your argument, which I will absolutely not let you live down, is that he did have a £275k release clause, he was available for £275k, Pompey legally had to accept any offers of £275k... and Wolves decided to offer £690k so Jed would look more favourably at the deal. Because in your mind, not only is that a realistic scenario, you actually fervently beleive that is what happened.

Ergo, you are demented. And Soppy isn't far behind you.

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DeepBlue Posted on 08/06/2018 19:59

What a bunch of retards

 
I have no wish to 'live down' that view. This article confirms I was right despite your pompous denials.

Don't forget the books showed agents fees being paid for negotiating the Wallace fee, and if he had a release clause of any amount, and that fact is confirmed by a direct quote from Catlin, then it blows your argument out of the water.

I won, you lost.

And I'm not playing any more.
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oi_oi_saveloy Posted on 08/06/2018 20:04

What a bunch of retards

 
“Don't drag me into this”
Then he writes yet another look at me essay
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TAFKAGDR Posted on 08/06/2018 20:09

What a bunch of retards

 
What on earth are you dribbling on about now? The article confirms absolutely nothing except the same nonsense the mediocre local sports hack was spouting when he said that the fee was £275k. Have you actually tried comprehending what you're reading?

Even for you, the sentence about agents fees is extremely mental. Are you actually suggesting if any player has a release clause of any amount then no agent fees will be involved in the transfer?!

Incredible.
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RavoPFC Posted on 08/06/2018 21:20

What a bunch of retards

 
Anyone else feel like we've been here before?
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Tomsk Posted on 08/06/2018 23:31

What a bunch of retards

 
Don't know about you but I've just paid £2.50 for a cabbage, and I'm beginning to feel a bit of a dopey cuunt
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SOPompey Posted on 09/06/2018 05:48

What a bunch of retards

 
I have no idea I just posted a couple of journalists pieces.

Up to you to decide if you agree or not.
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TAFKAGDR Posted on 09/06/2018 07:08

What a bunch of retards

 
Whether you agree or not is irrelevant. If a player has a release clause of X amount and a club is legally bound to accept all offers of X then no club is ever going to offer more than that amount because we live in a world where people running multi-million pound businesses have slightly more common sense than you, Deep and Neil Allen.
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TAFKAGDR Posted on 09/06/2018 07:11

What a bunch of retards

 
PS why have you stopped angling down the 'Ah so I see Giles so if they had waited then they would have been in exactly the same position as pompey were? Correct?'' avenue?

I feel it was about to start getting amusing.
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SOPompey Posted on 09/06/2018 07:54

What a bunch of retards

 
It might have been if you had answered the question but you too Wiley a fish to be caught that easily [smi]
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DeepBlue Posted on 09/06/2018 12:03

What a bunch of retards

 
The essence of your argument is that Neil Allen is wrong, and that Mark Catlin is wrong.

Personally I find it about a thousand times more likely that they are right and you are wrong. Right in 95% of release clause cases but closing your mind to the possibility that there can be exceptions.
And sticking your fingers in your ears going 'la la la' to the evidence in the Wallace case.

Rant all you like but I doubt you will find much support on here now since the Catlin article. That was a game ender.
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TAFKAGDR Posted on 09/06/2018 12:25

What a bunch of retards

 
My argument is that Neil Allen is wrong if he believes Jed had a £275k release clause when Wolves signed him. Because even for you, believing that if we were legally obliged to accept all offers of £275k but Wolves chucked us an extra £390k for no reason whatsoever is quite incredible.

Catlin has never once stated that Jed had a £275k release clause, as you well know. It's only your incredibly non-existent powers of logical deduction that put two and two together and somehow get 275,000.

There are a number of possibilities. A £275k clause may have become active at a future date and Pompey asked an agent to get the best price possible before that date. The clause may have been £275k plus a load of add-ons that Wolves opted to buy out. Without seeing his contract nobody knows. But one thing that is blindingly obvious to anyone that wasn't repeatedly dropped on the head as a baby is that if Jed had a £275k release clause when Wolves made their move we would legally have no choice but to accept the offer. That's what release clauses are.

If we legally had to accept £275k, then no club, ever, under any circumstances, ever ever ever, is going to offer an extra £390k for absolutely no reason whatsoever. Not only is that blindingly obvious to everyone apart from you and soppy, due to Moxey's fiduciary responsibility to Wolves' shareholders it would actually be illegal.

Neil Allen has publicly printed that Wolves paid both £275k and £700k for Wallace. By default Neil Allen must have been wrong at least once here. (In fact twice, but what's ten grand between friends?).


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DeepBlue Posted on 09/06/2018 13:16

What a bunch of retards

 
"Catlin believes they have learnt from the Jed Wallace £275,000 release clause – albeit Wolves still signing him for around £750,000. He said: ‘We always try not to have release clauses in contracts now. There is the infamous Jed Wallace release clause and in life you learn'."

I suppose you are going to say Allen misquoted Catlin, but that is a direct quote that he had a release clause. And unless you are suggesting it was for £690,750 (or whatever the unusually precise figure that was revealed in the accounts alongside the £100k+ agents fee for negotiating the deal) then you are blown out of the water, and constant denial is making you look pretty silly now. Desperate attempts to wriggle out with totally unfounded conjecture about 'future release clauses coming into effect' (is that the best you can do ??) is pathetic.

You were wrong... man-up and admit it.

We don't know why Wolves paid more, unless we believe the simplistic version that it was to see off competitors, and we don't need to, but no-one other than you has ever suggested it was 'for no reason at all'. And whatever it was it was an example of when release clauses can be exceeded.
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oi_oi_saveloy Posted on 09/06/2018 13:27

What a bunch of retards

 
“You were wrong... man-up and admit it”

Yea just like you always do
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TAFKAGDR Posted on 09/06/2018 13:54

What a bunch of retards

 
Your powers of logical deduction are quite incredible.

For at least the twentieth time, nobody is disputing that Jed had a release clause. The issue is whether he had a £275k release clause. But we know that if he did have a £275k release clause, we would have had to accept all offers of £275k. With that in mind, no club would ever offer a penny more than that. The accounts show he went for £690k, therefore... either he didn't have a £275k release clause or he did have one and Wolves gave us an extra £390k for absolutely no reason whatsoever. Hmmm, I really do wonder which one it could be?

A release clause coming into effect at the official end of the season was something I raised as a possibility, I'm not saying this is what happened at all. We simply have no idea what was written in Jed's contract. It is what happened with the case Soppy mentioned at the start of this thread with Dalot. And with Keita. And Griezman. And Alderweild. And Draxler. And Neymar. And numerous other players with release clauses. But you're probably right, and this scenario is far less likely than Wolves giving us £390k for absolutely no reason whatsoever, because that just makes so much sense and is exactly what you would expect people running multi-million pound businesses with a fiduciary responsibility to shareholders would do.

Incredibly, you're now still suggesting that Wolves offered more to beat off competitors, even though if he had a £275k release clause we would have been legally bound to accept all offers of £275k, and offering more would make zero difference to any competing bids. This is why players with release clauses never, ever get sold for more than the value of the release clause, because there is no scenario where any club would ever offer a single penny more. Your abject idiocy really is incredible.

'We don't know why Wolves paid more'. They didn't pay 'more' than anything. They paid the amount they negotiated with PFC, as as the norm in all negotiations with players who don't have release clauses activated.

I really do hope you're just trolling and playing the long game. If not I genuinely wonder how you've managed to get this far in life.

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DeepBlue Posted on 09/06/2018 16:15

What a bunch of retards

 
You're arguing against your own arguments now.

Gilles "nobody is disputing that Jed had a release clause"

Gilles "They paid the amount they negotiated with PFC, as as the norm in all negotiations with players who don't have release clauses activated"

So which is it ? He had a release clause or he didn't ? You can't have it both ways. Or is it that he had a release clause but they somehow didn't activate it ?

And if he did have one then you are saying it was for the very precise £693,735 (or whatever it was that was revealed in the books). Seems a strange amount to set as a release clause, and even stranger to allow it to be widely reported as £275k. But it must have been for that funny amount because "players with release clauses never, ever get sold for more than the value of the release clause, because there is no scenario where any club would ever offer a single penny more". Really, are you so sure about that in the face of all the evidence of the Wallace deal?

I'm gonna walk away again from the argument now because clearly we will never agree, but it was worth one more go because we had not had the debate since the Catlin article confirmed that he went for more than his release clause.
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TAFKAGDR Posted on 09/06/2018 16:33

What a bunch of retards

 
My good God, you're retarded. If a player has a release clause but that clause is not activated, the transfter is negotiated as normal. How the fcuk is even something as basic as this flying over your head? Every single player in Spain has to have a release clause under Spanish law. Funnily enough, nearly all transfers in Spain are as a result of negotiations. Incredible!

I'm not for one second saying his release clause was £693,735! Jesus Christ. I'm saying that whatever his release clause was it was not activated, and the fee was a result of a negotiation. We also know this to be the case because we literally paid someone to negotiate the deal. If you activate a release clause there is no negotiation because a release clause is the amount that a club legally has to accept. Outside this forum, it's an almost universally udnerstood concept.

The article you refer to didn't confirm anything apart from your oracle claiming the fee was a different amount to the fee he'd previously said it was. In short, your oracle is as confused as you are, as anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that if we were legally obliged to accept offers of £275k then there is literally no way in the world anyone is ever going to offer a single penny more. This really is so blindingly obvious it's staggering that you can't grasp it.

If I were a gambling man, I'd wager that the release clause in Wallace's conract didn't become active until the season officially finished, and Wolves signed him before it was active. Hell, I'd even wager that the figure probably was around £275k.

But what we can say, with absolute certainty, is that when Wolves signed Jed he didn't have a £275k release clause. Because - and read this slowly and try and let it sink in a little - if he had a £275k release clause an offer of £275k would legally have to be accepted, and we know that Wolves paid £690k for him. Therefore, the only two possibilities are that he didn't have a £275k release clause, or Wolves gave us £390k for absolutely no reason whatsoever, which is patently absurd to all normal people.

You won't walk away. You'll be back. I'll make sure of it. You'd make a wonderful case study for an aspiring clinical psychologist.
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oi_oi_saveloy Posted on 09/06/2018 17:49

What a bunch of retards

 
“I'm gonna walk away again”

“Again” being the operative word.
See you in a minute then.
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DeepBlue Posted on 09/06/2018 17:53
Edited On: 09/06/2018 17:58
What a bunch of retards

 
So now you are wagering that he had a release clause around 275k and that for some made up reason the clause would not become active until the end of the season (despite reports to the contrary) and that rather than wait a few weeks to get him for 275k Wolves negotiated earlier to pay a lot more. And I'm the retard for saying they paid more than an existing release clause ... the two scenarios sound pretty similar to me.

You are scrambling desperately to save face here, and failing miserably. The only argument you have got left is the 'future release clause' one that you invented in the past day.

He had a release clause, he went for more than that release clause. We don't know why. Learn to live with it.
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oi_oi_saveloy Posted on 09/06/2018 18:37

What a bunch of retards

 
That was a quick walk
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SOPompey Posted on 09/06/2018 19:01

What a bunch of retards

 
Has Giles got you on speed dial savers or are you on call?

Here boy [:P][:P][:P][:P]
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TAFKAGDR Posted on 11/06/2018 16:42

What a bunch of retards

 
My good God, you're an actual retard. I'm merely speculating, as we have no idea what was in Jed's contract, and as such we have to use what facts we do know to fill in the blanks.

Fact 1: Jed went for £690k
Fact 2: if he had a £275k release clause, we legally would have had to accept all offers of £275k.
Fact 3: If we had to accept £275k then nobody would ever offer a single penny more, as we happen to inhabit planet earth, not planet Deep.

So we can speculate all we want. We can speculate that a clause came into effect at a certain date, as is commonplace in football contracts. Or we can speculate that Wolves gave us an extra £390k for absolutely no reason whatsoever, which is clearly ridiculous to everyone except you and Soppy, and would obviously never happen on planet earth.I

Try and actually think about what you're arguing. Or even just thinking.
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Gooders Posted on 11/06/2018 16:48

What a bunch of retards

 
Omg is this still going on?

How many years is this now?

Can someone just please ask Catlin to give us a scenario that is very similar to Jed without naming him if they want to keep confidentiality even now years later... and let Catlin explain in detail what went on and report back to us to settle this once and for all.

Mr Catlin if you read this site please come on and explain the details....
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SOPompey Posted on 11/06/2018 16:49

What a bunch of retards

 
Thanks fvck savers got you that ladder to get you out of the whole you dug yourself Giles, we were beginning to worry about you[8)]
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TAFKAGDR Posted on 11/06/2018 17:05
Edited On: 11/06/2018 17:06
What a bunch of retards

 
I can imagine the conversation.

Moxey: We're making a formal offer of £275k for Wallace
Catlin: No way!
Moxey: he has a £275k release clause
Catlin: No he doesn't
Moxey: yes, he does I've spoken to his agent.
Catlin: his agent might be lying
Moxey: is he lying?
Catlin: erm, no.
Moxey: ok. £275k is on the table, I'm calling Jed.
Catlin: please give us more money
Moxey: why on earth would i do that?
Catlin: please
Moxey: I'm calling Jed
Catlin: please. Just a bit more.
Moxey: I'm leaving
Catlin: please! PLEASE!
Moxey: this is unbecoming.
Catlin: please. Please. Please. Please. Please. Please. Please. Please. Please.
Moxey: this is just sad. The release clause has been activ-
Catlin: please. Please. Please. Please. Please. Please. Please. Please. Please. Please. Please. Please. Please. Please.
Moxey: we're done here.

('agent' walks in, pulls a revolver from his waistband, and in a thick Irish accent...)
Agent: we've got yer, XXXXXXin' family boy. If PFC don't have £690k in their account by tonight I'll blow yer daughter's XXXXXXin' knees off
Moxey: I'll not be blackmailed
('agent' pistol whips Moxey, and pulls out his wife's severed finger)
Agent: transfer the cash now or her arms will be next
Moxey: ok, ok. Please don't hurt my family. I'm upping the offer to £690k.
Catlin: thank you. Jed will look much more favourably on the deal now. Pleasure doing business.

(Moxey leaves, trembling and bleeding from the face)

Catlin: Here's your hundred grand, Paddy.
Agent: thanks. Has Clarke got a release clause too?
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oi_oi_saveloy Posted on 11/06/2018 18:34

What a bunch of retards

 
The trouble with those wooden ladders is they tend to rot after a while
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 11/06/2018 18:39

What a bunch of retards

 
The funniest line in this thread is as follows:

"I won, you lost.

And I'm not playing any more".




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TAFKAGDR Posted on 11/06/2018 19:09

What a bunch of retards

 
The funniest thing is the Deep and Soppy genuinely believing Wolves chucked us £390k for absolutely no reason whatsoever, and adamantly maintaining that on planet earth this is a genuine possibility.
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SOPompey Posted on 11/06/2018 19:14

What a bunch of retards

 
I maintain no such thing. I have no idea if what happened.

Just think it's funny to see deep tie you in knots.
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TAFKAGDR Posted on 11/06/2018 19:27

What a bunch of retards

 
Deep: wolves chucked us 390k for no reason whatsoever
Gilles: remember this is planet earth
Soppy: great knot tying, Deep. High six!
(Hands slap)
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SOPompey Posted on 11/06/2018 19:39

What a bunch of retards

 
I am not from Leigh park you know.
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PoopScoop Posted on 11/06/2018 20:09

What a bunch of retards

 
It was KJ who signed Wallace for Wolves,"after he had been linked with several clubs" perhaps one of you [:o)] ought to go and ask him why they paid £690,000, then this argument can be settled once and for all [:P]

Link: Read all about it ........
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Bulc Posted on 15/06/2018 13:47

What a bunch of retards

 
The bit I don't get from the article is why Catlin is moaning about release clauses. If there was a release clause for £275k and Wolves did give us £690k on the back of that £275k clause then we should give everyone a release clause an we will, at least, double our money....makes perfect sense to me.

Why would anyone pay the release clause value when they can pay more?

I'll give you £3.50 for that Cabbage.
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yellowcheesemonkey Posted on 15/06/2018 14:00
Edited On: 15/06/2018 14:02
What a bunch of retards

 
£3-50 for that cabbage?
Me, with a poor dying grandmother?! £3-50?
Its worth at least £4 [:D]
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Bulc Posted on 15/06/2018 14:09

What a bunch of retards

 
That really depends. As long as the increased price influences the cabbage to agree to be purchased bu me, then it's money well spent.
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Fouleye Posted on 15/06/2018 14:17

What a bunch of retards

 
It was reported this week that arsenal offered to pay Sampdoria 5 million euros more than the release clause for Lucas Torriera. The reason being that they didn't want to pay the fee in a lump sum. Did make me laugh though.
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yellowcheesemonkey Posted on 15/06/2018 14:18

What a bunch of retards

 
I think the cabbage needs to get a good agent for the negotiations [:D]
Maybe the boards resident cabbage Pete?
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Deebo Posted on 19/06/2018 12:26

What a bunch of retards

 
The cabbage is on a Bosman. It's free to walk out of the supermarket door any time it wants.
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Bulc Posted on 19/06/2018 13:43

What a bunch of retards

 
In that case I'll pay £10
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Deebo Posted on 19/06/2018 14:42

What a bunch of retards

 
Bulcy doesn't do cabbages. Or anything green. [:P]
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