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BilltheCat Posted on 06/06/2018 15:05
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Already being called anti-Semitic because they refused to play in Jerusalem FFS!
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yellowcheesemonkey Posted on 06/06/2018 15:22
Edited On: 06/06/2018 15:58
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Thought it was a class act by the Argentine players
Basically refused to play and the Argentine FA could do f**k all to persuade them
Respect for Higuaín -kind of made it clear it was over Gaza etc not an anti Jewish statement

And yeah agreed FFS -jus because someone criticises Israel doesnt mean they are anti semetic

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TAFKAGDR Posted on 06/06/2018 17:01

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The Jews are still revolting then...
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Staunch Posted on 06/06/2018 17:09

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Agree also. The usual types getting the race card out. Hypersensitivty at it's worst.
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Frattonizer Posted on 06/06/2018 22:15

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Good call from the Argentine players. Shame that balding d1ckhead prince William doesn’t do the same and refuse to visit the murderous regime in charge of the country instead of going to sell them more arms to kill unarmed demonstrators in the occupied territories
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CountVonCount Posted on 07/06/2018 14:14

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Too busy having a whip round for the villa. Tax payers money.
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OptimusPrimus Posted on 07/06/2018 14:56

Argentina

 
[rle]
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exgaffer Posted on 07/06/2018 20:10

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Of course if Britain had stood it’s ground instead of caving in to the Yanks in 1948, all this would be irrelevant.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 07/06/2018 20:16

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Gaffer, you need a bit more reading on this subject. Start with 1917 and a plea from the British Prime Minister at the time.
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exgaffer Posted on 08/06/2018 09:03

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Gulf, I don’t need any more reading on the subject mate.

What was said in 1917 is irrelevant to what happened in 1948.

The state of Israel is an artificial creation which was forced through by the Zionists in the USA. It is based on stealing land from people and ruthlessly oppressing them when they complained.

If someone turned up at your door one day and said ‘2,000 years ago this land belonged to my tribe, so we’re taking it back forcibly’, are you saying you’d be OK with that?

If Israel continues on it’s current path, continually stealing more and more land, there will never be peace in that region.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 08/06/2018 15:14

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"What was said in 1917 is irrelevant to what happened in 1948"

Really? - it seems quite key to me when you follow the simple chain of events from that date. You should try to read at least one book per month.

1917 Balfour Declaration favouring the establishment in Palestine of national home for Jewish people
1920-1948 British mandate of Palestine
1933 onwards Ha'avara Transfer Agreement
1944-46 Illegal Jewish migration
1947 – United Nations Partition Plan
1947-48 Civil War
1948 – May 14th – last British forces leave Haifa
1948 Arab-Israeli War
1948 Armistice Agreements
1949 Israeli parliament sits
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CountVonCount Posted on 08/06/2018 15:20

Argentina

 
Trump will sort it out.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 08/06/2018 15:28

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Trump is getting everybody on board - starting with the trade agreements
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exgaffer Posted on 08/06/2018 15:29

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I know all that Gulf, the fact remains that Britain didn’t want to create the state of Israel in 1948 and only did so because Truman and the Zionists wanted it.

What Balfour said in 1917 is wholly irrelevant.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 08/06/2018 15:35

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Seems like they really did want it to me.


The Balfour Declaration


Foreign Office
November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely,
Arthur James Balfour
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 09/06/2018 10:10

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It appears that Gaffer has done a runner from factual information again.

Gaffer, all you need to do is say - 'I didn't know that - fascinating'
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 10/06/2018 12:01

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Anyone seen Gaffer?
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exgaffer Posted on 10/06/2018 12:12

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Which bit of ‘the Balfour declaration is irrelevant’ didn’t you get Gulf?

If the state of Israel had been created in 1917, it would have been relevant, it wasn’t was it?

It is quite clear that the British government didn't want to create Israel in 1948 as it didn’t want to alienate Arab governments in the region. It only did so under pressure from the US.

I’m off out for lunch now, have a fun afternoon.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 10/06/2018 12:15

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So, if we hadn't had the declaration in 1917 - would we have had the formation of the state of Israel post WW2.

Simple question.
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exgaffer Posted on 11/06/2018 09:49

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Yes we would, the treatment of the Jews by the nazis was the perfect excuse wasn’t it?

Britain’s power on the world stage had considerably diminished by 1948 hadn’t it? The USA was by then the leading Western power and within the US government there was a large Zionist lobby.

It was the perfect time for advocates of an Israeli state to put their plans into action and they certainly grasped the opportunity with both hands.

Balfour had absolutely f all to do with it.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 11/06/2018 16:49

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So after WW2 - the Zionists demanded and got the UN and everybody to agree to let loads of Jewish people move to Israel - and this had nothing to do with what had happened before.

The problem with this scenario - is that loads of Jews were already there - as the British had sorted out of movement of the diaspora during the mandate - and the Germans had piggybacked this with the transfer agreement. No mandate - no original movement of jews, no transfer agreement.

No Balfour declaration - no creation of the Iraeli state in 1948.

It aint hard to understand Gaffer.
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blueshark Posted on 11/06/2018 17:13

Argentina

 
Yeah but who authorised the release clause to allow them to move there ffs. [^][:D]
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exgaffer Posted on 11/06/2018 17:55

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Gulf, the hands of the Yanks were all over the creation of the state of Israel in 1948. Truman was intested in the Jewish vote in the upcoming elections and therefore backed the creation of Israel. The UN was heavily lobbied by the US to go with the partition.

You’re right, it’s not difficult to understand.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 11/06/2018 18:36

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Pompey won the league 2 title in 2016-17, but it had nothing to do with the foundations laid by Cook and his team from 2015-16 - Nothing.

It's not difficult to understand.
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