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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 05/05/2018 10:55
Staying at Fratton then
 
 
Personally, I am gutted that we won't be moving up to 17 miles away - and playing in an identikit stadium.



Link: Eisner out
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tricky_ricky_pfc Posted on 05/05/2018 11:16

Staying at Fratton then

 
Legend, that's reassuring to hear.

They've been listening to the Rick man. Eisner loves the facts.
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DeepBlue Posted on 05/05/2018 11:23
Edited On: 05/05/2018 11:31
Staying at Fratton then

 
He said all along his preference was to stay at Fratton so it's not a surprise.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 05/05/2018 11:25

Staying at Fratton then

 
Rick, he just needs to listen to you, me and most of the fans and rotate the friggin park - so we don't get the lop-sided masterpiece drawn up previously. it really is a no-brainer. it also fits the long term plan with ever increasing capacity as we hopefully climb the leagues.
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Bluenote Posted on 05/05/2018 11:36

Staying at Fratton then

 
Who was it swore blind staying at FP wasn't going to happen and claimed inside knowledge?
Step forward please....
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exgaffer Posted on 05/05/2018 11:38

Staying at Fratton then

 
Great news.

Any plastics can always go up the road, where there is a perfect example of what we don't want. [:D]
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DeepBlue Posted on 05/05/2018 11:45

Staying at Fratton then

 
I'd rather have a lop-sided ground with character than rotating to build an identikit stadium.

The key is persuading the authorities to let them build a bit higher at the Milton End, and I expect those are the discussions they are talking about with the council.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 05/05/2018 11:49

Staying at Fratton then

 
The new regs on stadium seating - ref sightlines and legroom mean that the Milton End will in fact be smaller.

No-brainer No 1
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Bluenote Posted on 05/05/2018 11:53

Staying at Fratton then

 
If this is kosher I'm a seriously happy bunny[:D][:D][:D]
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sometimeshappy Posted on 05/05/2018 12:04

Staying at Fratton then

 
I know that Rome wasn't built in a day,but doesn't 10 years seem rather a long time to build a new ground?
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Pedalo_menders Posted on 05/05/2018 12:08

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All rather positive really. Steadily getting a plan together. Steady progress.
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tricky_ricky_pfc Posted on 05/05/2018 12:18

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Bluenote - that was archibald1925 who claimed the knowledge, seems to have disappeared though.

Deep - don't think rotating will give us an identikit, we'd still have the south stand as an end as Ricky understands it.

As Ricky's old nan used to say: XXXXXX rotate
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Pedalo_menders Posted on 05/05/2018 13:03

Staying at Fratton then

 
There will be a LOT of boozers round Fratton very happy to hear this
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pompeyhighlander Posted on 05/05/2018 14:57

Staying at Fratton then

 
Sheffield United, Nottingham Forest and Preston North End have grounds that I like, although Deepdale may be a tad too small for us.
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RavoPFC Posted on 05/05/2018 15:35

Staying at Fratton then

 
Ohh I was looking forward to having PORTSMOUTH football club move to Clanfield.
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cunninglinguist Posted on 05/05/2018 17:43

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In fairness, Archibald said that nobody knew if we would move or not.

He did state that the ground would not be rotated.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 06/05/2018 22:28

Staying at Fratton then

 
If there is a 10 year program, that would imply a long term plan - which means gradual improvement, and gradual expansion, and probably a quality build and a bit of thought gone into the whole thing.

Better than Eisner just re-building a new north stand and sodding off, or even just hiring a min-digger for a day and taking some photos.
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OptimusPrimus Posted on 06/05/2018 22:30
Edited On: 06/05/2018 22:31
Staying at Fratton then

 
We don't sell out the current FP.

We aren't going to rush to expand capacity when we aren't selling out what we have.

Especially when a recent poll suggested 1 in 5 ST holders aren't renewing.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 06/05/2018 22:47

Staying at Fratton then

 
A brand new stand with spanking facilities would increase capacity. At present lots of punters don't regularly come because they can't just turn up on the day and get in. The away end catering/facilities maximum number game doesn't help.

Jackett's style of play doesn't help either.
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OptimusPrimus Posted on 06/05/2018 23:09

Staying at Fratton then

 
Sorry GoT but as much as we would all like what you have said to be true there, we have seldom sold out this season and objectively speaking there is no present business case for expansion.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 06/05/2018 23:15

Staying at Fratton then

 
How did Brighton quadruple their attendances, and the scummers double them - when they had new facilities?

Why would Pompey be any different?
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Peter_Mellors_Got_No_Hair Posted on 06/05/2018 23:51

Staying at Fratton then

 
"If you build it, they will come"
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OptimusPrimus Posted on 06/05/2018 23:57
Edited On: 06/05/2018 23:58
Staying at Fratton then

 
The capacity of the Withdean is 8,850.

The average attendance in the 6 years the Falmer Stadium has been open has been 27,000.

The average crowd at the Goldstone was 17,000.

Quadruple? [:I]

But the point remains that the Eisners aren't selling to Brighton fans, they are selling to us.

And we have not been selling out our capacity.

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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 07/05/2018 01:03

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Well, using your six year average in the old stadium - that would be around 6,400 - so the average attendance has more than quadrupled[8D]
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tricky_ricky_pfc Posted on 07/05/2018 08:16

Staying at Fratton then

 
Scum weren't selling out the dell before they built st Mary's.

Bournemouth are looking to build a 25,000 stadium.

All over the country there is evidence that shows if you build new and better facilities more people come.

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PFC23Tommy Posted on 07/05/2018 08:43

PessimisticPrimus

 
Its not just about increasing capacity its improving facilities. I was in the NS Saturday
and the legroom is an absolute joke.
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tricky_ricky_pfc Posted on 07/05/2018 09:23

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It amazes Ricky how many people seem to think Pompey having a lower capacity than Brighton, Scum and Bournemouth is the way to go.

Blood.y rotate.
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tricky_ricky_pfc Posted on 07/05/2018 09:23
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PessimisticPrimus

 
Nt
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pompeysoulboy Posted on 07/05/2018 09:28

PessimisticPrimus

 
We have to rotate or move they’re the only two options
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Gooders Posted on 07/05/2018 10:02

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People would come if it was built.

However a couple of caveats to this though is.

1. Dont charge London Prices for Season Tickets Pompey is not the most affluent of clubs and when we were in the prem paying the prices we were for tickets there were quite a few who had to give up their STH'S as they could not afford it.

2. Better transport links for in and out of the Stadium is also a must if they want to attract from the greater hinterland.



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PFC23Tommy Posted on 07/05/2018 10:14

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If possible I'd build it on the Roko site. As much as we all love FP it's just not in the right place. Parking is a nightmare
I read somewhere that ME has set a 10 years programme. Seems a long time away
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oi_oi_saveloy Posted on 07/05/2018 11:15

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Yea parking would be so much easier if it was at roko.
Dinlo
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PFC23Tommy Posted on 07/05/2018 12:44

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It'd be easier to get to for all our new fans coming from the West
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pompeysoulboy Posted on 07/05/2018 12:47

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Parking wouldn’t be an issue if the ground was at united services. Their is plenty of parking opportunities on the industrial estate the other side of Hilsea station. Dinlo?
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BabaOReally Posted on 07/05/2018 13:30

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Wouldn’t it? There are double yellow lines everywhere on that industrial estate. As it is with the industrial estate the other side of Norway Road. Or are you assuming that businesses on the estates will let parking take place on their private land? They might. They might not. But if they are open for business on a Saturday, they won’t. Anyone living in the local residential streets would also quite rightly demand, and get, residential only parking schemes put in place the moment any stadium was given the go ahead. So no, parking wouldn’t be better at the Roko.
And talking of Norway Road/Anchorage Road -that would be fun on a match day. As would the traffic jam on the A27. And before anyone mentions Hilsea train station, there’s a better served train station just 4 minutes and one stop down the line. Anyone who wants to train in, already can.
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oi_oi_saveloy Posted on 07/05/2018 14:21
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PessimisticPrimus

 
Parking anywhere on the island is a nightmare and roko would be no better than Fratton and the parking around fratton is probably easier.
Not surprised fragile soulboy drives because drinking all that babycham wouldn’t show up if you got stopped.
He might want to do a bit of research before he posts next time because he doesn’t seem to be very clever.
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pompeysoulboy Posted on 07/05/2018 16:06
Edited On: 07/05/2018 16:08
PessimisticPrimus

 
Yes I am for a fee like Milton cross school and the hospital does. I do like a babycham you should try one one day saveloy,
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oi_oi_saveloy Posted on 07/05/2018 16:25

PessimisticPrimus

 
Poor soulboy so clueless.
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pompeysoulboy Posted on 07/05/2018 16:26

PessimisticPrimus

 
How old are you?
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oi_oi_saveloy Posted on 07/05/2018 16:49
Edited On: 07/05/2018 16:53
PessimisticPrimus

 
Old enough to know that moaning about parking before a football match is a bit stupid.
I bet you’re always alone as well.
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hutch83 Posted on 07/05/2018 16:52

PessimisticPrimus

 
Optimus you've contradicted you're own argument in stating that Brighton averaged 17k at Goldstone versus 27k at Amex (hence not quadrupled).
Assuming your numbers are correct and given the capacity of the Goldstone was 30+k BHA were a damn site further off selling out what they had compared to us- averaging 16/17k in a 19k stadium.
It's obvious that increasing capacity and facilities will bring in more punters!
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pompeysoulboy Posted on 07/05/2018 17:04

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Haha nice one well ard. I’ve never moaned about the parking just stated that the businesses around Hilsea will happily set up football parking but I couldn’t give a monkeys if they do or don’t. We have to stay at fratton and rotate the pitch,if we can’t do that then the roko/rugby camp site makes sense.
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Bluenote Posted on 07/05/2018 17:46

PessimisticPrimus

 
A football stadium can't really cater for the car in a crowded urban environment. Fratton Park is near a railway station with links north, east and west. It's in town, near boozers and people and life - priceless.
For the Eisners it can't have been that difficult a decision: the land is already owned and PCC is sympathetic to expansion - no dodgy Millwall type property consortiums trying to muscle in.
It really is a no brainer chaps.
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oi_oi_saveloy Posted on 07/05/2018 18:05

PessimisticPrimus

 
“It really is a no brainer”

Which is exactly why soulboy doesn’t understand it.
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pompeysoulboy Posted on 07/05/2018 18:30

PessimisticPrimus

 
Understand what you clever c@nt?
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oi_oi_saveloy Posted on 07/05/2018 18:34
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PessimisticPrimus

 
Can whoever posts next please write in crayon for soulboy.
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pompeysoulboy Posted on 07/05/2018 18:53

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I’ve already said we have to stay where we are and rotate the pitch,what part of that was too hard for you to understand?
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PFC23Tommy Posted on 07/05/2018 20:26

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That oi oi is a one ain't he
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oi_oi_saveloy Posted on 07/05/2018 20:49

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It’s all good clean fun Tom
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 07/05/2018 21:19
Edited On: 13/05/2018 19:12
PessimisticPrimus

 
On the parking front, the B&Q parking area to the East could be brought/ loaned from B&Q - as can some of the units around Rodney /Anson road. They can even put double decker parking in ala the IOW ferry or QA hospital. There really is loads of potential parking space available.

On Gooders points - The way I see it - the bigger the stadium - the lower the prices. If FP had been 30k during the PL years - more of the previous fans wouldn't have been priced out of it.

The transport links have improved since the Park and ride was put in - we just need another one on the Eastern Rd for matchdays only. The new train operator will also be running a higher capacity service into the city. The latest figure from PCC is that a 32k stadium will be doable with the new train services. a new Park and ride on th Eastern Rd could push this up to 35k.
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PFC23Tommy Posted on 07/05/2018 21:19

PessimisticPrimus

 
OiOi Whats your thoughts on ME. Is he the man?
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 08/05/2018 22:52

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on Brighton attendances, they left the Goldstone at the end of the 1997 season. Their last 6 season's average at that ground was around 6,800 - so they still quadrupled their support - from the last few seasons of both stadiums - if you discount the first season at the Amex where the capacity was only 22,000.

Since 2011, they have expanded their stadium as follows:

22,000 - 2011
27,750 - 2012
30,750 - 2013

And their average attendance this year - is over 30k.

Link: Build it and they will come?
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stayinupforever Posted on 09/05/2018 12:18

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Brighton also subsidise local train travel and a park and ride scheme within their ticket price.We could easily increase attendance to 30k.
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same_old_pompey Posted on 09/05/2018 12:58

New idea

 
Can't we build a new Fratton Park at Qe Park?

We could have the Windmill End towards Windmill Hill in Clanfield (plus it doubles up as a fantastic name for when another scummer invades).

The Juniper Stand where the Juniper Bbq bit is at the top of QE Park, actually that makes sense as Mick can just do his burgers from the existing bbq.

The Westwood End towards Petersfield, in honour of our number 1 fan!

The other stand should be sort out a weekly ode (on a match by match basis) to fans favourites who were mediocre at best e.g. 1st game of the season the Tommy Thorgesen stand, 2nd game the Johnny Ertl stand etc.

The banks are a bit steep but Eisner with his experience could probably get a sort of rollercoaster to go up and the down the banks to take us into the stadium.

Parking would be easy as there is already a few parking areas and we can just bulldoze over most of Butser Hill and tarmac it all over to make a super car park.

Sorted! [^]

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RavoPFC Posted on 09/05/2018 14:00

New idea

 
I thought that was plan A.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 11/05/2018 18:18

New idea

 
I see Mark Catlin has come out and said he'd like to move to a new stadium


WTF
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Pompeyben Posted on 11/05/2018 20:18

New idea

 
Obviously it would be nice to stay at FP, it's part of our history but there are many factors in deciding what's best such as parking, cost, future expansion etc.
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OptimusPrimus Posted on 11/05/2018 23:47

New idea

 
Where did he say that GoT?
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hutch83 Posted on 12/05/2018 10:55

New idea

 
In today's News article I see the board have visited a number of grounds in UK and Europe and Schalke was amongst them. Andy Redman mentioned how serving beer was a detail they looked at. I've been to Schalke and they have a mains pipeline of beer underground from the nearby brewery to stadium. Beers are cheaper at the ground than at a bar because it's a club and therefore ticket sales count as club entry. Brilliant idea! People booze there from 11am till 11pm on a match day. Pity we've got no local brewery near FP. Maybe people can pour cans of Stella down a drain outside Tesco?!
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stubby Posted on 12/05/2018 21:05

New idea

 
Pipe the Staggasaurus from the micro brewery just 200yds away.
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stayinupforever Posted on 12/05/2018 21:25

New idea

 
When questioned in his latest update about using the University of Portsmouth's sports facilities Catlin seemed to look down and away from the interviewer suggesting he may know more than he's letting on.
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exgaffer Posted on 13/05/2018 08:55

New idea

 
Stubby [^].
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 13/05/2018 11:48

New idea

 
Catlin had a segment in the Snooze midweek where it was subtly mentioned. I thought it was perhaps a misrepresentation of what he really meant- as it was just a snippet. then on the local TV on Thursday? night - he spoke directly to the TV camera and stated something like - "I would rather us move to a new stadium". He did caveat it by effectively saying 'whatever happens is fine - but I think we would be better off moving'

Slightly surprising considering Eisner has stated he wants to stay - and that as mentioned above there has been a Pompey board fact-finding mission last week about tweaking/ expanding existing stadiums.

Not sure what game he is playing - unless he is just hoping to sway public opinion.



Link: Stadium Mission - FP redevelopment
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OptimusPrimus Posted on 13/05/2018 14:18

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"The way I see it - the bigger the stadium - the lower the prices."

Followed immediately by

"If FP had been 30 during the PL years - more of the previous fans wouldn't have been priced out of it."

Jesus wept [rle]

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TAFKAGDR Posted on 13/05/2018 15:31

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Seems logically consistent enough to me.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 13/05/2018 19:11

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Norse, I'll put in little k after the 30 - so it's easier to understand.

The fact remains that a lot of fans who followed the team to get the club into the PL - were then unable to as easily get match-day tickets because of the JCL's, and the price hike meant too many of the regulars didn't go as often - or buy ST's.

This wouldn't have happened if FP had been a decent sized stadium.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 16/05/2018 23:03
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PessimisticPrimus

 
This is similar to what we need

Link: 2004 - plan view
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 16/05/2018 23:05

PessimisticPrimus

 
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Link: 2004 - Elevation
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