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Bluenote Posted on 07/01/2018 20:32
Interesting rumour.
 
 
That the Eisners are looking into buying up the houses in Alverstone Rd. Shoot me down for it, but I trust the source (everybody trusts their sources)
Can't see it meself - would take forever, cost £10-15M and why bother when you can just rotate?
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Pedalo_menders Posted on 07/01/2018 20:42

Interesting rumour.

 
Somewhere to pop to for a halftime poo [:D]
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blueshark Posted on 07/01/2018 21:03
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Interesting rumour.

 
This was an idea talked about @ the open w/e of 3 or 4 years ago. I told CF then that one family digging their heels in could scupper the whole idea & stand by that. The only exception being now that the Eisners could pay over the odds which may just encourage people to move. But Liverpool tried this & though they got their way in the end it took ages, even decades IIRC.
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cunninglinguist Posted on 07/01/2018 21:21

Interesting rumour.

 
It would give a possibility that could be cost effective in the long run.

Not an easy option but a very interesting idea.
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Wrighty2 Posted on 08/01/2018 01:59

Interesting rumour.

 
I assume only the one side backing onto Specs lane, looking at a map we donít need the whole row so that would XXXXXX the remainers off (that sounds familiar doesnít it [8D])

What about Carisbrooke road as well while theyíre at it
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countofmontecristo Posted on 08/01/2018 06:32

Interesting rumour.

 
never ever happen.
same price builds two brand new stadiums
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cunninglinguist Posted on 08/01/2018 09:32

Interesting rumour.

 
I presume you think fags are still a pound a packet.
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Bluenote Posted on 08/01/2018 09:47

Interesting rumour.

 
Being a saddo I counted the houses backing on to the Milton End - about 40. Say £250k each that makes £10m. Even if doubled for contingencies that's still a reasonable sum in the broader context.
I don't see why you need to though.
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westbourne_blue Posted on 08/01/2018 10:44

Interesting rumour.

 
If the stadium was shifted/rotated with an 'end' at Rodney Road would they only need to buy those houses at the 'pinchpoint' on Alverstone Road ?
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Stanley-H-Tweedle Posted on 08/01/2018 10:57
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Interesting rumour.

 
You'd need to buy not only the houses for land but the houses that would complain about their light/views being restricted
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Acheri Posted on 08/01/2018 10:59

Interesting rumour.

 
Pie in the sky,wont happen.
It's just not cost effective.
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City_View Posted on 09/01/2018 17:32

Interesting rumour.

 
Would only take one house owner to hold out and there would be nothing the club could do. The club owns all the land needed to rotate the ground that would allow a decent sized stand on the eastern side. Would make sense nonetheless for the club to buy up the houses backing onto the south stand as and when they become available because in the very long term the south stand will have to be rebuilt. Half of these houses have changed hands over the last fifteen years IIRC. In my opinion the club should also continue to buy up the industrial units fronting onto Rodney Road to allow for complementary development to FP.
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cunninglinguist Posted on 09/01/2018 17:48

Interesting rumour.

 
I am sure that whatever we think is viable/possible/likely, ME will do whatever works.
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pompeysoulboy Posted on 09/01/2018 18:11

Interesting rumour.

 
We have to rotate or move. The south stand is rotten and is ready for demolition ASAP.
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hutch83 Posted on 09/01/2018 21:17

Interesting rumour.

 
Houses and warehouses preventing Spurs, arsenal and Olympic stadium developments were all subjected to compulsory purchase orders and they got next to XXXXXX all for their properties.
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Sh0tts Posted on 10/01/2018 00:09

Interesting rumour.

 
No need to rotate ground with modern see through materials Milton End could be made taller without blocking light to houses behind. Build a new north stand on Car park. Extend the Fratton End and add another tier. Join the corners up could be over 40000 capacity.
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City_View Posted on 10/01/2018 08:39

Interesting rumour.

 
The buyer has to pay the full market rate when buying properties via a CPO. A local authority cannot serve a CPO on a whim. The city council's plan zones only FP and the adjoining land to the west and north for a stadium. Club can therefore only negotiate privately with homeowners in Alverstone and Carisbroke Roads.
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hutch83 Posted on 10/01/2018 09:57

Interesting rumour.

 
I wasn't clear in my earlier CPO comment. The developer in the Olympic stadium, Spurs and arsenal stadium cases offered market value and then slightly above market value to the owners of the properties they wanted to buy. Some owners accepted and others held out either for an improved offer or because they had been there for a long time and wanted to stay. Once a proportion of the properties had been purchased, the owners who held out had their position undermined and the CPO could be issued at market value.

My point was that there is only so much hard bargaining that could be done by the homeowners if Pompey pursued the plan of buying up the houses.

I agree with an earlier comment that modern materials means that height doesn't impact on daylight as much as it would have done in the past. The small end at Landsdown road (Aviva Stadium) is a case in point.
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Bluenote Posted on 10/01/2018 18:07

Interesting rumour.

 
Surely even a stand made out of perspex would have an impact on the light of houses nearby because of terracing and seating?
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Wrighty2 Posted on 10/01/2018 18:34

Interesting rumour.

 
Dublin stadium has that stupid little end because of impact larger stand would have on nearby houses.

In news today Chelsea redevelopment under threat due to similar impact on nearby houses - is a big problem.

I wonder about the compulsory purchase, whilst I couldnít give a fk and say get on with it not sure Pompey would be seen as very community spirited if they force people from their homes, just a thought. Hopefully theyíll go about it the right way consult etc and nobody has an issue with selling up.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 10/01/2018 19:33

Interesting rumour.

 
Just what is the point of a really stupid small stand - even with Perspex!

I'm sure Eisner as a matter of process looked at the option of buying houses as a matter of following through on all options - got the basic prices on that road - and will tick it off the options down the line. I would bet that the rumours have started when someone at the club found out they were checking the house prices.
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Bluenote Posted on 10/01/2018 19:41

Interesting rumour.

 
Was from the horses mouth Gulf....
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 10/01/2018 19:47

Interesting rumour.

 
From an Eisner nipper? Even so - surely they would look at all the options and discount the stupid ones. It doesn't make any sense to proceed with it - as there are lots of better options which don't involve wasting as much time and resources - and playing a long waiting game.

This is the south of England - we don't compulsory purchase houses for sports projects.
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Bluenote Posted on 10/01/2018 20:04

Interesting rumour.

 
Yes - it was from an Eisner, but 'looking into' is pretty vague. I would guess that they're in the process of looking at all the various options and with luck will come back to the obvious one of rotating and keeping a truncated South Stand as a kind of quaint relic.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 10/01/2018 20:18

Interesting rumour.

 
You get the feeling that Mike's lop-sided conceptual masterpiece is still doing the rounds and has been touted from day 1 from the locals who talk to the new regime regularly.

For some reason - Saunders really disliked the rotation plan - but I get the feeling that the Eisners will eventually see the light with it - and realise it is the best option.

Saunders arguing and getting 13m behind the Fratton End could be the best thing he ever did for the future stadium .
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DeepBlue Posted on 10/01/2018 20:32

Interesting rumour.

 
The downside to rotating is the disruption and loss of income due to the small crowds whilst the work is carried out.

Surely the easiest solution is to build a new ground alongside the current one using the land to the north (i.e. the new car park and industrial units towards Rodney Road). I think we still own some of the land needed too.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 10/01/2018 20:37

Interesting rumour.

 
Really? So increasing the Fratton End massively backwards and northwards - then building up a new north End - then rotating close season - and starting a new season with a decent sized north end, and a much bigger Fratton Stand doesn't increase the capacity?

Just because a new stadium will have 3 sides for a while does not mean a reduced capacity. A decent sized new north end ensures this is not the case.
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Wrighty2 Posted on 10/01/2018 20:59

Interesting rumour.

 
Maybe my memory is bad but I thought when the rotation plan was put up for discussion the capacity figures were included for each phase and didnít have much of a drop, if any, during the various phases.

I also thought the only downer on the rotation plan (as a fan owned club) was the cost of the electrical cable/sub station issue in the NE corner behind the North Stand - donít remember a loop sided ground as being a reason against it.
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blueshark Posted on 10/01/2018 21:05

Interesting rumour.

 
IIRC the cost of relocating the substation was deemed prohibitive previously. 5m rings a bell.
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PoopScoop Posted on 10/01/2018 21:42

Interesting rumour.

 
"Keeping a truncated South Stand as a kind of quaint relic...... - do us ALL a favour and knock the piece of sh!t down.

As for Saunders lopsided masterpiece - best place for that was in my Poop Scoop !!
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Bluenote Posted on 10/01/2018 22:00

Interesting rumour.

 
Hasn't the South Stand got some kind of protection on it on account of being an Archibald Leitch design?
Looks pants to me though....
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cunninglinguist Posted on 10/01/2018 22:05

Interesting rumour.

 
I loved the look of the south stand before they covered it with those XXXXXX awful advertising hoardings. Keep them off and I'd be happier to see it stay.
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City_View Posted on 10/01/2018 22:31

Interesting rumour.

 
The South Stand is not listed.

The cost of moving the HVC behind the north stand was quoted at £2m a few years ago. Not aware that the cost of moving the sub station has ever been published publicly.

The phasing of work if rotating the pitch could ensure that that there was no loss of capacity whilst work was carried. Fulham's plans to revamp their Riverside stand includes the pledge not to reduce capacity and they've got the River Thames behind that stand. FP has a car park behind the North Stand. Where there's a will there's a way. Rebuilding FP on the same orientation would be much more disruptive than rotation. The phasing in the PST reports were their weakest part. I would be disappointed if Tornante's appointed stadium architects don't come up with the optimum solution.
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bluebob Posted on 10/01/2018 22:38

Interesting rumour.

 
What Deep said is what Iíve been saying all along just makes so much sense and with little disruption.
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BigSmokeBlue Posted on 11/01/2018 07:57

Interesting rumour.

 
Yep, Iím also with Deep on this one. Rumours are, the landowners of the industrial units on Rodney road would be willing to sell for the right price. Letís not forget, the area behind the North stand is pretty big. You could build 3 stands, open the new stadium, then knock down the old North stand ready for a replacement facing the other way. Surely this strategy would be cheaper, quicker, less disruptive and better for local residents than compulsory buying 40 odd homes?
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Bluenote Posted on 11/01/2018 08:30

Interesting rumour.

 
Those indistrial units are on leases I believe. PCC favours the Club staying broadly on it's current footprint and would support it in acquiring them. Having a recently elected Pompey supporting MP can't hurt either.
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City_View Posted on 11/01/2018 08:57

Interesting rumour.

 
The problem with the Anson/Rodney Road option is that the SE corner of the ground would be as close to the houses in Alverstoke Road as the Milton End now. The Tesco development, in particular the PFS, has restricted options.
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BabaOReally Posted on 11/01/2018 09:52

Interesting rumour.

 
Because I'm really busy at work I've just copied the google maps satellite image of the site and indulged in a quick bit of cut and pasting/rotating the existing Fratton Park into that space as suggested. With the South Stand placed directly onto Anson Road the back of the North Stand would end up in the middle of the sub-station. A new stadium would obviously be wider that Fratton Park is. That s*dding Sub station gets right on my t*ts.
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tricky_ricky_pfc Posted on 11/01/2018 12:59

Interesting rumour.

 
The obvious solution which saves a fortune on player wages and gives us loads of room on the current site to build bigger stands: convert the team to 5-a-side.
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tricky_ricky_pfc Posted on 11/01/2018 13:01

Interesting rumour.

 
But if you're gonna get all antsy and insist on 11-a-side, looking at google maps, the industrial units won't need to be touched if we rotate the pitch.

Which also means we can keep that lovely little micro brewery that's popped up in those units [;)]
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 11/01/2018 13:12

Interesting rumour.

 
if they wanted to move the whole stadium north - they have to build 4 new stands. at 2k per seat - that could be approaching 60 million.

the whole point of rotation is that we would save on building 1/2 of the Fratton stand - and could keep the top half of the South stand for a while - again saving money. The pitch could also be moved slightly north and east to allow for future expansion.

Another advantage of using parts of old stands as well as money - is we could keep a bit of atmosphere. Older stands have seats closer together - which can generate more noise.
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Sh0tts Posted on 11/01/2018 13:38

Interesting rumour.

 
Don't understand people's fixation in rotating the ground. As for knocking down south stand nooooo! I'd hate to see another lego like stadium at Fratton. Just extend Fratton End and build a bigger North Stand.
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BabaOReally Posted on 11/01/2018 13:56

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Iím on the same page as you with the rotation and shift the pitch Gulf. Especially moving it northwards as far as possible to allow for a decent sized new south stand. I sit in D section and love the history. That stand's done us proud for 92 years but it's time to move on. Bare minimum if they were to keep it would be a pristine restoration of the balcony wall and a column free roof.

And Iím on the same paragraph as Tricky reference the micro brewery.
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Pedalo_menders Posted on 11/01/2018 14:55

Interesting rumour.

 
The first question to ask really is what is the inital & max capacities we would we be aiming for? That would then define the footprint and then where we could put the stadium.

Are we looking at 12K, 30k, 35k 40k capacity?

It certainly looks like you could fit a 30k seater stadium by rotating.
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City_View Posted on 11/01/2018 15:50

Interesting rumour.

 
Entirely agree with your logic. I'd say 35k and that could be achieved by rotation.
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tricky_ricky_pfc Posted on 11/01/2018 16:47

Interesting rumour.

 
From what Ricky's seen, we can only get 28k on current footprint, which rules that out entirely.

35k by rotating, which is fine. Plus everyone gets to keep their local matchday boozer, and the micro brewery stays [^]
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exterminator Posted on 11/01/2018 18:02

Interesting rumour.

 
Sod the micro brewery that can move elsewhere, the South Stand needs demolishing HARD as does the North and Milton End. We ought to aim for at least 35k with options for 40k in the firm ture.
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tricky_ricky_pfc Posted on 11/01/2018 19:53

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How about we move it to your back garden exterm, then we can have a proper old shant up together.

Agree with you on the numbers [^]
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Bluenote Posted on 11/01/2018 20:12

Interesting rumour.

 
How patient will supporters be if the Eisners focus on the ground? Seems to me that would be bound to have an impact on the playing budget. For me the ground's a priority, specially as I might snuff it if they don't sort it pdq....
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 11/01/2018 20:26

Interesting rumour.

 
If Eisner sorts out the badge, and then puts in permanent or temporary Corporate boxes next season - he will have already increased revenues.

Add to that the slowly increasing capacity, better facilities, more Eisner know-how on general sales and income.

It's all win - win
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exterminator Posted on 11/01/2018 20:48

Interesting rumour.

 
Where these corporate boxes going to go Tonka Toy - hanging on cranes from the parking lot behind the North Stand or bolted on the overhang of the Fratton End Stand - just asking loike [8D]
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tricky_ricky_pfc Posted on 11/01/2018 21:25

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Fu.ck the team, this club has had no infrastructure investment for decades, and it's left us miles behind our lesser rivals.

The ground is absolute number one priority.
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tricky_ricky_pfc Posted on 11/01/2018 21:27

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Anyone who starts calling for team investment at the expense of the ground/academy/facilities is a proper mental din.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 11/01/2018 21:53

Interesting rumour.

 
"Where these corporate boxes going to go "

Any temp boxes could go in the corners, & double decker at the FE. If they want to rotate the ground, then the roof get lifted off - and we could put a stand's worth of them in the FE which would eventually become a side. Loads of dosh mush

On the playing front - we have already moved forward- with our young team age. The Chelski U23's must have been playing mostly U23's. This team will be pretty good next year.

Spot on Rick - absolute dinny thicktards.
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stubby Posted on 11/01/2018 22:02

Interesting rumour.

 
So Ricky. Whilst I am downing my staggasaurus I could be standing near you. Oh the thought of being so close to a celeb
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stubby Posted on 11/01/2018 22:05

Interesting rumour.

 
Last season it was little known hideaway but still 3 Plymouth fans found it. A lot busier this season. Now it will become even busier reckon with this advertising I will look for a drink on the house
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tricky_ricky_pfc Posted on 11/01/2018 22:20

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It's entirely possible Stubby, next time we should make it our business to have a little cuddle.

We shall say no more of the establishment though for fear of it being overrun by unsavoury elements [;)]
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scouse Posted on 13/01/2018 18:02

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Too late! The scouser found his way there today and drank a pint. It was fine. You wouldn't have known it was me though, because I don't look like a scouser or sound like a scouser.
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tricky_ricky_pfc Posted on 13/01/2018 18:45

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Out of interest scouse, what do you look like, and what do you sound like?
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stubby Posted on 13/01/2018 18:46

Interesting rumour.

 
ricky wot do Youuuuuuuuu look like.
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scouse Posted on 13/01/2018 19:13

Interesting rumour.

 
Right back at you there, Rickmeister!
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tricky_ricky_pfc Posted on 14/01/2018 11:40

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5 foot 10, short dark hair, bit of premature grey, sharp dresser, late 30's.........will that do ya?
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Bluenote Posted on 14/01/2018 12:39

Interesting rumour.

 
I think we should all meet there for a group hug.....
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scouse Posted on 14/01/2018 13:49

Interesting rumour.

 
Older than that; scruffy; very short hair, lots of grey; can do accent if necessary. Will look out for you next time.
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 14/01/2018 21:52

Interesting rumour.

 
Rumour this weekend is that the Park will soon hold over 20k.

Just need some bigger teams to pack it.
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Pedalo_menders Posted on 15/01/2018 11:53

Interesting rumour.

 
That is rather interesting GoT. Where did you hear that?
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Gulf_of_Tonking Posted on 15/01/2018 22:25

Interesting rumour.

 
Just an employee of the club.


In fact - it won't take a lot to get there, as we are already at 19,699 from early last week.

Link: 19,699
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