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Bluenote Posted on 16/04/2017 08:14
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Why has it not been put out to fans as was the original intent?
Seems to me that now would be a very good time.
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oi_oi_saveloy Posted on 16/04/2017 23:04
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I'm sure you'll be able to make something up or blame eisner.
You've been doing it every day since his name was first mentioned.
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wayno Posted on 16/04/2017 23:07
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Surely Riddle will have info on it???
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snowman Posted on 16/04/2017 23:08
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So now you want him to ask the fans how the ground should be redeveloped? Dream on will you
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archibald1925 Posted on 17/04/2017 00:19
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i am with you snowman, too many people still thinking an owner is going to let everyone else make the decisions not him lol. This man ran disney for christs sake! I know we like to think pompey are big but they are not a global brand in virtually every household. Running pompey vs disney in his mind i imagine would be like looking after a baby vs 3000 stampeding cattle.
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Stanley-H-Tweedle Posted on 17/04/2017 06:52
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He might have run Disney, PFC isn't Disney though and has been run successfully by Pompey fans for 4 years. They are very good at it. We are on the brink of our first promotion, our fan base is excellent and the club is being run the way we wanted it to be, in a responsible, sustainable manner. Our brand is no longer toxic and we are the envy of the majority of football fans and that number is growing every time a club gets in trouble. Sadly, that seems to be happening all to often. So, If your suggesting they should in any way feel inferior regarding running our club you are delusional. The only thing this club lacks is huge amounts of money so we can run at a loss for god knows how many years with a promise of reaching the very top where we pay ridiculous amounts of money to various people praying it don't it go tits up again. That is what you're wanting, isn't it?

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Frattoniser Posted on 17/04/2017 07:25
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Like Stanley said. (excellent post).

I want us to build our income streams, something that the good and the great guys and girls that have put so much into the new ownership model have already started.

One question I would love explaining is, as the new model Club increased the income streams we were able to pay off debts very early. These were not small sums. That would pre-suppose that we had excess cash over and above what was required for day to day funding. So, why is this no longer the case, what has changed from the first year/2 years?
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snowman Posted on 17/04/2017 08:18
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You can not run a medium sized football club like you suggest. yOU ARE BEING TOTALLY SELFISH TO SUGGEST YOU CAN.The ground is the weight around your necks.We need outside investment to progress.
Stop being so SELFISH tweedle dum
Anyway i'm about to set off to Notts. Blue Army.
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Gilles_de_itsywitsyteenyweenyyellowpolkadotbikini Posted on 17/04/2017 08:26
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What has changed since the first two seasons? Signing players and staff capable of getting us out of this league and paying them accordingly. I would guess the current wage bill is at least double what it was under Whits when we were paying off debts.
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Frattoniser Posted on 17/04/2017 08:32
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That didn't really address the question regarding what has changed though, now did it? And safe journey. PUP
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Frattoniser Posted on 17/04/2017 08:35
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That might be a good guess, but it might be a bad one. I appreciate the contribution and I admit I do not know the details either, but I would like to hear from someone that does know what has changed.
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Gilles_de_itsywitsyteenyweenyyellowpolkadotbikini Posted on 17/04/2017 08:43
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It doesn't take a genius to work out that the likes of Roberts, Bennett, Doyle and Cook in a squad of 30-odd is going to cost a hell of a lot more than the likes of Cooper, East, Bird and Whits in a squad of 20-odd, tbf. We've paid considerable transfer fees for Roberts, Naismith, Smith, Main and Burgess too.
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Frattoniser Posted on 18/04/2017 09:32
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And we have afforded that, plus added Lowe, Kabamba and Annorah.

Plus done some remedial work on the Ground. Obviously raising money will be required even if a one step at a time approach is taken to redevelopment. But why has this money raising got to be done through a Billionaire who will still saddle the Club with the debt, and has absolutely no love of the Club. Why not take on a smaller figure directly.

Link: Rich owners to take it to the next level
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bileyininjurytime Posted on 18/04/2017 20:43
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Frattoniser, the reason we paid the debt off early (IIRC) was purely because the Board utilised parachute payments earlier than they had first planned. The writing off of the debt was purely a phasing issue, and didn't reflect that our run-rate of income/profit was significantly higher than anticipated.

The key question for me is how the current Board would anticipate raising the 3-4m needed for a new ME. AND remembering that if we do JUST replace the ME we are then wedded to the current rotation. IF we decide to rotate (and truly utilise the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity that Rodney Rd offers), we need to find the money for a new NS (end) and ME (side). That's nearer 20m.
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PoopScoop Posted on 18/04/2017 21:03
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Rotating is the only option if we want to have a ground capable of holding 35-40k in the future.

There were around 250,000 people who watched the parade when we won the FA Cup, around 100 each and you have the 25m needed to do both sides.This 100 could either be a loan repayable in over 25 yrs at say 5 per year (to give you a bit of an incentive) or equity entitling you to a discount on a season ticket, merchandise or hire of a room etc.

If you put in Corporate Boxes plus Hotel, Restaurant and Conference facilities (up to say 250 people) you gain an income stream which should be enough to renovate and extend the Fratton End and eventually pull down and build a new stand on the South Side.
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archibald1925 Posted on 18/04/2017 21:24
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on a restricted budget the stadium will end up extremely unsatisfactory and we will have to live with it.
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Bluenote Posted on 18/04/2017 21:31
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The report has good stuff on all of these possibilities. I'm still not clear why it hasn't been opened up to the wider fanbase as was the intention when it was commissioned.
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oi_oi_saveloy Posted on 18/04/2017 22:15
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I think poopscoops idea of getting 250,000 people to pay 100 quid each is absolute genius.
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bileyininjurytime Posted on 18/04/2017 23:00
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I love that idea, and it MIGHT work. But what we know as a FACT is that when the club was on the brink of extinction (life/death of the club, not a new shiny stand), we raised a total of 2.5m.

Ironically, if there was shedloads of money to be made from a development around FP, Milan, Sascha and all the other chancers since would have been all over it.
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oi_oi_saveloy Posted on 18/04/2017 23:07
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Whoosh!
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northstandgeorge Posted on 18/04/2017 23:27
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Why don't we get 125000 to give 200 there were a lot of kids on the common who couldn't raise a 100
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Gilles_de_itsywitsyteenyweenyyellowpolkadotbikini Posted on 19/04/2017 01:12
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Why don't we get every single person living in a PO postcode to pay ten million pounds then we'll be able to build a 300,000 capacity stadium and buy all the best players in the world and win every match and win the Champions League every year and stay fan-owned and have 15 academies around the country and sign up all the kids so we produce every single player in the country and have eleven players in the England starting line up oh my god what a simple and amazing plan I can't believe nobody has thought of this already it is pure genius
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northstandgeorge Posted on 19/04/2017 01:33
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Good idea did you get that from Deepblue
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Gilles_de_itsywitsyteenyweenyyellowpolkadotbikini Posted on 19/04/2017 02:00
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Mostly. I'd also take up Gulf of Tonkin's wonderful plan for an open-ended community share issue so once people have paid their initial ten million each they can also spend all of their wages on shares as well and we can build a state of the art 40k-capacity training ground made of solid gold.
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cunninglinguist Posted on 19/04/2017 06:18
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I have a sneaking suspicion that you are being a sarcastic bvgger.
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snowman Posted on 19/04/2017 07:16
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[smi]
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PoopScoop Posted on 19/04/2017 07:28
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Apart from the sarcasm, it is a simple fact that 1,000 was beyond a lot of the supporters that wanted to help last time. This was displayed by the success of Loyal & C Co syndicates.
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northstandgeorge Posted on 19/04/2017 08:36
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Not sure how many shares Loyal syndicated but 50 is probably generous. So we only need to find another 249500 people for your plan to come together. Should be simple.
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exgaffer Posted on 19/04/2017 08:48
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The fans eiether don't have the money or are unwilling to part with it, that was proved when the Community shares were sold. It was like pulling teeth raising the 2-5 million, so quite where all the extra money is coming from is anyone's guess. We'll all have to keep a sharp eye out for rainbows and their attendant pots of gold.

I know of quite a few people who live in affluent suburbs who could afford a grand each but chose to join a share syndicate. If people like that can't get the investment past the missus, what hope is there?

We NEED outside investment, whether it comes from Eisner remains to be seen but it has to come from somewhere.
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Gilles_de_itsywitsyteenyweenyyellowpolkadotbikini Posted on 19/04/2017 08:51
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Oh my god oh my god oh my god I've just had the mother of all brainwaves yeah instead of giving their children pocket money parents can instead put the money towards the stadium yeah if there's 20,000 kids in Portsmouth and on average they get 5 a week that's 100,000 every single week or 5,200,0000 a year yeah the stadium would be completely funded in 5-8 years and we could say jog on to the big scary Yankee you ain't never moving us to Clanfield cowboy!
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Gilles_de_itsywitsyteenyweenyyellowpolkadotbikini Posted on 19/04/2017 09:02
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Oh my god oh my god oh my god you will not believe this I have just had another brainwave I am on fire yeah so how about this the council always claim that they support the club so now is the time for them to put their m9ney where their mouth is yeah we should all withhold our council tax and pay it instead straight to pfc for the stadium yeah like when a union's members withdraw their labour they never get fired safety in numbers yeah so if enough of us follow this plan they'll never take thousands and thousands of us to court people power yeah who's wiv me?
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Frattoniser Posted on 19/04/2017 09:45
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Brilliant as your ideas are, it would be my belief that they may need some slight adjustment. Also, that not enough consideration has been given to the timescale of what you require.

If you have to have your brand new shiny toy yesterday then you will have to put it on your credit card at the equivalent rate (very high). But if you had more patience and perhaps a little business acumen you might raise some money as shares in your toy, and pay a low rate dividend. After which time you may approach a bank or similar financial institution with a business plan for your Toy's use, explaining how it will generate income and repay the principal. Now the size of your toy may dictate how much money you can earn, and how much you will need to borrow. And if it is too much You can go to a nice Gentleman that will probably be beneficent, maybe someone like your Uncle Ernie. He'll see you right.

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