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Durktron Posted on 04/09/2020 14:23
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I've never wore one yet, I suffer with anxiety and depression but I wouldn't wear one anyway due to them not being effective.
Now Andy Preston now thinks people on minimum wage working in shops should have to tell people to wear a mask [cr] is he from this planet it should not be a worker having to police this matter, it shouldn't even be mandatory anyway it's pathetic.
I would love to see him on the streets policing this.
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Jonathan11 Posted on 04/09/2020 16:46

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I don't get why you think it shouldn't be a worker enforcing it and policing their own workplace? Who else would it be? It should be as easy as saying "wear a mask or we're not allowing you in".
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Johnson Posted on 04/09/2020 21:53

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Just come back from Spain where itís mandatory to wear them in the streets as well as the shops etc. And in that heat

But you soon get used to it and I can see how masks would make a difference, so canít see why one wouldnít wear one.

And yes it should be the the shops responsibility to ensure shoppers conform, although youíd hope individuals would comply anyway..
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littledick Posted on 04/09/2020 21:59

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Anyone know why shop staff don't wear them, yet they can enforce customers to ?
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rob_fmttm Posted on 04/09/2020 22:04

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You would hope that managers of restaurants, bars and shops would ensure staff wear masks or visors.
I think restaurant waiting staff are potential spreaders carrying food around table to table.
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jcjc Posted on 04/09/2020 22:16

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masks do have an effect they protect others and people who dont wear them should be banned from shops no more pussyfooting
people like you could bring us to lockdown again thanks
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AlbertoBongaloid Posted on 05/09/2020 03:22
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Shop workers donít have to wear them add the HSEí s risk assessment found that they are not required as extra protection.

Theyíve never done a risk assessment for the general public which is very alarming indeed.

Nobody should be forced to wear one until this has been carried out
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T1ffy Posted on 05/09/2020 13:19

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I don't wear one due to being exempt. Shopworkers shouldn't be challenging people as it can be an uncomfortable challenge for them and certainly something that i'm sure isn't in their job role. If they want it policing they need either the police or some with equivalent powers to do it. Pretty sure it's illegal for someone to question whether you're exempt or not too.
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rob_fmttm Posted on 05/09/2020 14:49

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Just been to Parkway shopping centre, Coulby Newham and was heartened to see everyone was wearing them in the centre as well as the individual shops.
Hopefully this is now the case in Cleveland Centre and Hill Street Centre.
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johnnycjnr Posted on 05/09/2020 15:57

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You absolute pack of fannies. Turn off the BBC and give your heads a shake
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SmoggyUDT82 Posted on 05/09/2020 16:31

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I'd like to know what the users who don't want to wear a mask are basing this on? You tell people to turn BBC off etc but where are you getting the evidence from?
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BoroBerk Posted on 05/09/2020 16:51

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Do your bit. If you can't be bothered then you are part of the problem and hopefully it will get you before it gets me.
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AlbertoBongaloid Posted on 05/09/2020 18:38

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Shop workers can hardly hassle customers when they are exempt from wearing them themselves can they?
Thatís just ludicrous
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Durktron Posted on 05/09/2020 19:07

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Masks do nothing.
People shouldn't have to wear them.
The virus is a bad flu.
99.9% survival rate.
99.9% of you don't have a clue.[^]
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BoroBerk Posted on 05/09/2020 19:10

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They shouldn't have to hassle folk. People should stop acting like kn○b$, engage a brain cell and just wear one.
Failing that then be prepared for the pubs to be closed again. Cue more crying from the self entitled folk who protest that they are losing out on so much.
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Durktron Posted on 05/09/2020 19:21

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So it's fine to sit in a rammed pub full of people without a mask, but in a supermarket or shop you must wear one or you're directly causing another lockdown.
Aload of XXXXXX mate absolute wet wipes most of you, only reason we have to wear a mask now is to blame the general public and not the absolute retards we've got running the country. [^]
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newusername Posted on 05/09/2020 22:27

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"99.9% survival rate"

Taking your % at face value, 1 in 1000 die, so in a population of 65m, 65,000 people will die from Covid.

Currently after 17.6m tests, 344,164 have tested positive & the Govt's (much reduced) figure is 41,549 people have died of Covid (so another 24,000 deaths to come!).

For your 1 in a 1000 figure to be right, 41m people have had Covid but only 350k of them have bothered to get a test (0.85%), however of the 14m people that haven't had it they've all been tested at least once (123%).

So why do people that don't have the virus get tested more often than those that do have it?
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Durktron Posted on 06/09/2020 00:37

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Hospitals are dead cause people are terrified of catching covid.
I take the 41000 with a pinch of salt also my uncle is one of those 41000 we got tood he died of it but he died "with" it.
End of the day the flu is just as bad as covid so we gonna lockdown every flu season?
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brattleboro Posted on 06/09/2020 05:30

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i went to the shops yesterday and there was a couple behind me saying quite loudly that the virus has almost gone now and we have all these idiots wearing masks in the shop[:D]what fcuking simpletons[|)][|)]peoples attitude to the virus needs to change
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T1ffy Posted on 06/09/2020 08:17

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What is the point in wearing them. When they provide no protection as they aren't rated masks, merely just a bit of fabric that will not prevent particles from leaving you or entering you. Then the fact that these masks aren't worn properly by 99% of the people anyway.

I'm all for wearing the correct masks that are rated correctly, but that's costly and the end user still wouldn't wear it correctly.

It's a big sham.
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RenzoRosso Posted on 06/09/2020 08:59

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Even a scarf stops most of the droplets and reduces the distance all droplets escaping travel therefore protecting others.

If you canít handle that then youíre just totally selfish.

Japan has 2x the U.K. population, far more densely populated and is much closer to the source and has

1350 deaths

They have worn masks since the SARS outbreak.

MASKS WORK
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Durktron Posted on 06/09/2020 10:36

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Or maybe they count the deaths properly ?
Face fitted masks work I'll give you that but these disposable/homemade masks do not work they will not stop a microscopic virus.
As I said it's just all scare mongering now passing the blame onto the workers and the general public, when they opened everything back up what did they expect it's a joke.
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Mavrick Posted on 06/09/2020 11:19

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Iím sure a lot of you have worked in some form of industry where PPE is mandatory. PPE is considered to be the last line of defence and shouldnít solely relied upon to protect an individual.

Itís exactly the same principle with face masks in this pandemic. They are just one part of a puzzle that we all should be doing to protect ourselves and those around us. Wear a face mask, wash your hands and follow social distancing guidelines.

Itís not a perfect science but it is effective to a certain extent.
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T1ffy Posted on 06/09/2020 13:10

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Yes, I've worn plenty of PPE & god knows how many face fit tests. If everyone had done these then you would realise fitment and mask spec is critical. If you used a scarf or material masks in a facefit test, you would realise that it's absolutely pointless.
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Mavrick Posted on 06/09/2020 13:19

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Face fit wouldnít matter for the recommended fabric and surgical masks. Weíre not talking about airtight with no stubble on your face. Like I said above itís not an exact science but itís part of the bigger picture.

Be safe, lots of love....Mavrick x
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SmoggyUDT82 Posted on 06/09/2020 23:17

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For those in this thread rubbishing masks etc, what do you think this is? do you think it's just another cold? etc

What I don't get from those who see this as above, why would the whole world act in the same manner if it were just another cold etc.

Do you think the world leaders have combined to create all this? I'd just like to understand how you see it from a world point of view not just a UK point of view
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nashvagas2 Posted on 06/09/2020 23:39

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I wear a mask out of politeness when I enter a business. I do not believe they work and that's my opinion. I own a 75 seater bar/ restaurant and the only people who wear masks are my employees. It's not mandatory that they do it's a suggestion from the county. There is no social distancing at all people shake hands and hug. I did have a customer complain and I agreed that if they were uncomfortable then it may be a good idea to wait till it's over and revisit then.
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johnnycjnr Posted on 07/09/2020 00:42

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Smoggy82, look around you, exercise your common sense. It's all there in plain sight.
Look at history ffs. It's frustrating how many people truly cannot think for themselves. Something sinister is happening, Google Dr Richard Day. Aldus Huxley, see who his brother was.The Mike Wallace interview. Id2020. Elon Musk's skull removing micro chip robots neurolink, Bill Gates' depopulation obsession, his insistence on vaccinating every man, woman and child. With impunity of course. Have a look for facepay! All sounds like sci fi conspiracy guff, except it's all there, in plain sight, look at the covid act, listen to what the crooks at the WHO come out with, the head of which has covered up previous epidemics, he also appointed Robert Mugandi as goodwill ambassador!! Sounds like brass eye level satire, a genocide nutcase like him, it's true though.

Biggest hoax in history is being played out and people are happily sleepwalking through it, do you even know what a real pandemic consists off? This virus is so lethal and highly contagious is'nt it???
You have more chance of being abducted by a UFO than catching a virus which is nothing more than media hype and manipulation.
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Mavrick Posted on 07/09/2020 00:58

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Pure nonsense and misinformation at a whole new level of stupid.

How many rolls of tinfoil have you used on your hat Johnny?
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AlbertoBongaloid Posted on 07/09/2020 02:15

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The governmentís of each country are not controlling this. The World Health Organisation are, as thatís where all of the advice is coming from
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T1ffy Posted on 07/09/2020 07:18

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I'm rubbishing wearing them solely for the points above, you've got nothing to counter them being pointless to wear.

It's like turning up to a raging house fire with a bucket of water and thinking you're contributing.
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SmoggyUDT82 Posted on 07/09/2020 08:41

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Johnny your passion is great but at the same time I question why it seems to be quite angry? You're asking people to read the documents/websites in the expectation they will believe what has been said or written.

However at the same time you're asking people to not believe what is in the press, spoken on TV and what medical professionals are writing.

I'd like to know why you think one is stronger evidence than the other? Personally if a person wants to wear a mask or keep social distancing because it makes them comfortable or helps them feel they are contributing to help then so be it.

Don't like this ramming down peoples throats that the media is wrong but the information you are reading is right - when in actual fact they are very close to being the same thing just with a different point of view
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Billy69_uk Posted on 07/09/2020 10:28

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There really are some dopey motherfukkas in this world.

And you people are allowed to breed?

we are all doomed.
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Durktron Posted on 07/09/2020 11:24

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Something is going on when the 6 richest men on the planet have got even richer during this pandemic [B)]
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TheFair86 Posted on 07/09/2020 13:19

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Some fruit loops in this thread.
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Stocko Posted on 09/09/2020 07:29

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ďIt's like turning up to a raging house fire with a bucket of water and thinking you're contributing.Ē

But if the whole town turned up with a bucket of water, they might make a difference. [8D]
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T1ffy Posted on 09/09/2020 13:17

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Very true in that sense [:D]. However the bucket would be leaking, exactly like the masks do. So by the time you or (the whole town) has got there. The buckets would be empty [8D]

The devil is in the detail.
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Durktron Posted on 11/09/2020 08:07

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Ok if masks truly work then dad's should be allowed to attend baby scans and be there throughout labour?
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Wev1 Posted on 11/09/2020 09:44

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"I've never wore one yet, I suffer with anxiety and depression but I wouldn't wear one anyway due to them not being effective."

Anxiety and depression have nothing to do with it, that's just a poor excuse, which is simple to spot, backed up with your poor "I wouldn't wear one anyway due to them not being effective" comment, and other poor comments in this thread.

You would wear one if/ when it becomes law, or you're prevented from entering premises, your putting the staff and others at increased risk, which is extremely selfish.

We've had about 60k excess deaths (indisputable fact), and 360k confirmed cases. Nobody is saying that 1 in 6 (16%) die, as we've probably had 5-10x the number of infections, more so at the peak when there was a lack of testing. But even if it's 10x more infections, then that's 3.6m cases, with 60k deaths, which is 1.7% death rate. That figure is in line with the WHO and the medical experts range, and I would tend to believe them more than you.

Your assertion that it kills 0.1% or 1 in 1000, is absolute XXXXXX, it's so far from the truth that I don't even know why I replied.

Masks are there to stop the asymptomatic from unknowingly releasing a viral load (or higher viral load) into the locality, and with a secondary function of protecting the wearer, depending on type of mask.
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AlbertoBongaloid Posted on 11/09/2020 11:12

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60k excess deaths caused by what?
As there were only 100 or so deaths before we locked down and we truly donít know what caused them one could argue that 59900 deaths were caused by the lockdown.

360k confirmed cases of what? As the initial samples were never purified before isolation the scientists could never categorically say what actually caused COVID-19 or even prove the existence it what they call SARS cov2.
If you donít believe me have a read of the test papers for all of the isolations. There is no doubt. No purified sample, no gold master reference for each and every PCR test.

The World Health Organisation know all of this. They arenít stupid. This means they have another agenda.
You work the rest out for yourselves and carry on wearing your masks if you want. Although Iím not exactly sure what it is youíre supposed to be protecting yourselves from
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rob_fmttm Posted on 11/09/2020 12:06

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Alberto - you have been consistent in your message of denying COVID throughout the pandemic. Thousands of people have died, thousands of lives have been wrenched apart. Obviously none of this has touched you, your families or friends. You should be eternally thankful and hope like all of us that we can continure to stay out of the bad statistics to keep our health.
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Durktron Posted on 11/09/2020 12:19

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Anxiety and depression has a lot to do with it actually pal.
It's a real condition that can make me and many others 10 times worse and you clearly dont believe depression is real.
Obviously you're a sheep and dont have a clue about anything so from now on dont ever reply or speak to me ever again.
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Durktron Posted on 11/09/2020 12:23

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Also like said masks do nothing otherwise dads would be able to go baby scans[^] now XXXXXX off [^]
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AlbertoBongaloid Posted on 11/09/2020 13:14

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Thousands of people have died. Of that there is question. If one of my relatives had died Iíd be even more angry about whatís been going on.

Iíd like to know one day what actually causes those deaths because thereís something awfully fishy about the official story we have been told. Jack and the beanstalk was more believable.

Iíve been through all of the virus isolation papers and Iíve seen no evidence that SARS cov2 causes covid 19. Feel free to look for yourselves. Without this we have no reliable PCR test, itís as simple as that. Would it be a massive surprise if we find out one day that weíve been lied to from day one?
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rob_fmttm Posted on 11/09/2020 14:14

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So what was going on in hospitals not only up and down this country but also around the world? You cannot keep a conspiracy secret from so many top consultants and medical experts around the globe.
Am not going to get drawn into an argument about this because it is wasting everybody's time. But think about the pain you can cause by denying the true cause, the pain to all that have lost their health or life.
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Durktron Posted on 12/09/2020 14:42

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The hospitals are quiet [?]
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Support_Your_Local_Team Posted on 12/09/2020 22:11

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"Anxiety and depression has a lot to do with it actually pal.
It's a real condition that can make me and many others 10 times worse and you clearly dont believe depression is real.
Obviously you're a sheep and dont have a clue about anything so from now on dont ever reply or speak to me ever again."

Durktron, it's funny seeing how you react to others not believing/agreeing with you on something yet you expect to be fully heard when you don't believe/disagree with something they are stating.

People in glass houses and all that [ref]
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KingOfTheTribes Posted on 12/09/2020 23:30

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Durktron is either a troll or too stupid to argue with. Don't waste your time trying to reason with him.
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stevie-g888 Posted on 13/09/2020 10:51
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T1ffy, I see what you're saying, but if we ALL turn up with a bucket of water, then surely that WILL be effective?
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SmogOnOuseburn Posted on 13/09/2020 11:15

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I agree King of the Tribes. Probably both!
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johnnycjnr Posted on 13/09/2020 13:46

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Do you not remember the barrage of videos from nurses doing dance routines on hospitals up and down the country? When anyone speaks out they are branded a loony, sacked, or gagged. Plenty have, but you're so content to go along with the official narrative without a shred of evidence. Then, you all moan about the serevity of the lockdown measures, which are due to become even harsher.

I'm amazed at how any rational human can still buy into this rubbish. Where's all the social media posts from the inflicted? In an age where people post videos if they trip over a shoelace. No in depth reports or documentaries from these hospitals.
If I could post photos, I'd post York hospital in May( including the 'covid 19' ward( one patient). Nurses sat doing f all, because people with genuine ailments have been getting turned away. Appointments cancelled. You all must be moving this, are your lives really that boring? You uninteresting faceless yes men. Exercise some critical thinking please.
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Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 13/09/2020 16:16

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Do you think nurses were turning up to work doing tiki's toks for 12 hours then going home? Most of them seemed to be from non covid wards. Maybe it's a little light relief after the trauma of watching people die a horrible death alone whilst family member s watch on over FaceTime?

Non surgical facemasks are not 100% effective but as some of you will be aware (TIFFY) of ALARP. As low as reasonably practicable. A face covering will not stop the virus particle due to the size of the material holes. But the virus doesn't travel on it's own. It's carried on moist particles which are mainly big enough to be captured on the mask. Coughs, sneezes etc will not get through. Small aerosol particles may, but this is where social distancing helps reduce the spread. Then if the particles land on your body you then have the measure of washing your hands more with sanitiser. They are 3 measures that together make a difference and do make it ALARP. Even doing 1 makes a small difference. Same with this group of 6 rule. this cuts the potential spread path by one person, but along the line could stop tens or hundreds of extra cases.

There isn't much filming from inside hospitals as not many people would want their dying relatives being filmed and as far as I'm aware you can't film with out permission. Why would the NHS let camera crews into a highly infectious disease ward? Waste much needed PPE to get some action shots?

It's real. I spent 37 days in hospital with it. It's not nice. Thats my evidence and it trumps anything you have provided johnnycjnr.

I don't want anyone to go through what I went through and I was only a moderate case.
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johnnycjnr Posted on 13/09/2020 17:30

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With all due respect, Jonny Disco, I think you're telling porkies. You and Boris. I've stated facts, you've made a claim on a message board. I was abducted by a UFO once, kept me on board for 37 days, I forgot to nab any of the mind blowing technology on board. And the camera on my phone was broke.
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Heam44 Posted on 13/09/2020 19:49
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JonnyC,

Can you be clear on what you think then? I.e Covid doesnít exist? Or has been exaggerated?

As Iím not exactly sure what point youíre trying to make?
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Wev1 Posted on 14/09/2020 12:25

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"60k excess deaths caused by what?
As there were only 100 or so deaths before we locked down and we truly donít know what caused them one could argue that 59900 deaths were caused by the lockdown."

We do know what caused them, the COVID-19 pandemic that the NHS have been doing their nuts in trying to treat. At least 40k direct, and the other 20k indirect or consequential (also probably 90% actually COVID-19). Maybe all the nurses and doctors are lying? Maybe my mother and my nurse mates are all lying to me, and they're just buying up loads of PPE and burning it out the back?

By your "reasoning", that doesn't have any scientific reason, you might think that we don't know a massive asteroid killed the dinosaurs, so one could say they were all killed by Super Mario. Of course that is ludicrous, and it's not an argument. One persons opinion against the scientific community isn't an argument, it's lunacy.

"360k confirmed cases of what? As the initial samples were never purified before isolation the scientists could never categorically say what actually caused COVID-19 or even prove the existence it what they call SARS cov2.
If you donít believe me have a read of the test papers for all of the isolations. There is no doubt. No purified sample, no gold master reference for each and every PCR test."

Take your tin foil hat off. If there's 10 people with XXXXXX daggers stood around a body, covered in knife wounds, and they're all saying they did it, I would be willing to bet that one or all of them played a part. It's called reasonable scientific understanding. Lack of 100% proof or not ultimately witnessing an event yourself is not proof that it did not happen, it's miles from that. It's the balance of probability, or imbalance in this case, judged by the 1,000,000 dead, that's swept across the world.

"The World Health Organisation know all of this. They arenít stupid. This means they have another agenda."

So, just to double check, you think the WHO is part of a massive conspiracy, rather than ultimately trying to do it's job, and help the world during a pandemic, similar to previous pandemics in the past?

Just out of curiosity, do you think any of these are fake?
The world is a sphere (or close to)
We landed on the moon
Gravity exists
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johnnycjnr Posted on 14/09/2020 12:32

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Wev1, you're an absolute fanny. Tinfoil hat, flat earther, my god, how origina, you brainwashed tit. Have a look at who set up the who, who funds it,in fact, don't, no point is there. Continue wearing your mask, depriving yourself of adequate oxygen, hypoxia sounds like a lot of fun. You're nothing but a bunch of bed wetters. I'll bump this when the time comes. Enjoy 2021
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Wev1 Posted on 14/09/2020 12:36

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"Anxiety and depression has a lot to do with it actually pal.
It's a real condition that can make me and many others 10 times worse and you clearly dont believe depression is real."

For someone that also gets anxiety and knows a lot of people that suffer with depression, I'm saying it doesn't, you just sound like you're making an excuse to fit your agenda. Also, I'm not your "pal", I wouldn't be friends with someone willing to risk spreading a virus, going against the scientific community and putting others loved ones and most vulnerable at risk.

"Obviously you're a sheep and dont have a clue about anything so from now on dont ever reply or speak to me ever again."

If listening to science makes me a sheep, then fair enough [^] Baaaa, Baaaaaa.....

You're obviously going against science, so must be an idiot.

"Also like said masks do nothing otherwise dads would be able to go baby scans[^] now XXXXXX off [^]"

You've obviously never written a risk assessment.
Masks are limiting risk, in situations that are either necessary (like food shopping), unavoidable (keeping people at work/ alive) or in low risk areas (outside, large areas, not around loads of sick or old people).

Dads not attending baby scans isn't ideal, of course, but it's not necessary either, it's avoidable, it's in an extremely risky environment.

Someone not losing their parents or grandparents is more important than some guy going to a baby scan.
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Wev1 Posted on 14/09/2020 12:43
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"Wev1, you're an absolute fanny. Tinfoil hat, flat earther, my god, how origina, you brainwashed tit. Have a look at who set up the who, who funds it,in fact, don't, no point is there."

I'll believe the scientists, you know the ones that use their understanding and education to treat people, and make devices such as the one you're using.

"Continue wearing your mask, depriving yourself of adequate oxygen, hypoxia sounds like a lot of fun."

It's easy to breathe with a cloth or paper mask on, I've ran around in war zones at 45 degrees C with a gas mask and chemical suit on [^], they're worse, believe me. If people are medically exempt and can't breathe with a cloth or paper mask, then they should probably keep themselves our of the way of the respiratory disease that's killing people.

"You're nothing but a bunch of bed wetters. I'll bump this when the time comes. Enjoy 2021"

Tell that to the 60k that didn't make it to 2021, or those with families that won't have them around at Christmas.

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Heam44 Posted on 14/09/2020 14:31

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JonnyC,

Any chance of telling us what you actually think then?

Instead of just saying what others think is incorrect.

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peter_beagrie_killed_my_cat Posted on 14/09/2020 14:34
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Johnny -

How does the ask deprive you of oxygen?

They're either

Useless and allowing free exchange of air and the virus

or

Effective at stopping the free exchange of air and depriving you of oxygen.

It can't be both.
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SmoggyUDT82 Posted on 14/09/2020 15:17

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What confuses me is that those who listen to the media or the government are instantly stupid, bed wetters, sheep or any other name you want to call that person.

But when someone goes against what you believe in i.e the bits you've read online or whatever people get very very defensive.

What makes either source of information more reliable than the other? It's like the Gazzette saying Boro are signing a player but Sky Sports saying they aren't - who is telling the truth.
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boroarmyret Posted on 14/09/2020 16:47

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Maverick - Explains it perfectly, risk reduction is the key👍
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Durktron Posted on 14/09/2020 17:09

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Wev ok pal [^]
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Durktron Posted on 14/09/2020 17:10
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This virus is very smart if I can tell the difference between a shop and a pub 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Heam44 Posted on 14/09/2020 17:16

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Ironically Durktron, it seems that you canít tell the difference between a shop and a pub.
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Durktron Posted on 14/09/2020 17:22

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I can [^]
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Heam44 Posted on 14/09/2020 17:56

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What is your point then?
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Tuncay_Sanli Posted on 14/09/2020 19:43

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if covid wasnt reported in the media
would any of us know that this killer virus even existed ???
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Durktron Posted on 14/09/2020 19:59

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Also no cases today due to no testing.
Stop getting tests and our lives will go back to normal much quicker.
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T1ffy Posted on 15/09/2020 06:39

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Aye it's that bad you need a test to find out if you've got or had it [8)]
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johnnycjnr Posted on 15/09/2020 13:49

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"(PCR), a technology discovered by Kary Mullis, who was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1993 for this discovery. Although Mullis died in 2019 before the beginning of the CoVID-19 pandemic, he had much to say about PCR. He warned against this technique ever being used for diagnosis due to the complexity of the process and because of a relatively high rate of false positive results if performed on asymptomatic individuals, as well as with false negative results. He pointed out, among other things, that PCR required selecting a particular number of ďamplificationsĒ or multiplications of the original tiny string of genetic material (DNA), and that the cutoff between ďpositiveĒ and ďnegativeĒ was arbitrary and could vary from place to place or over time."

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/covid-19-testing-pcr-a-critical-appraisal/
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johnnycjnr Posted on 15/09/2020 13:55

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Hypoxia†is a condition in which the body or a region of the body is deprived of adequate oxygen supply at the tissue level.†Hypoxia†may be classified as either generalized, affecting the whole body, or local, affecting a region of the body.
It can and has been brought on by excessive use of masks, as is hypercapnia. Of course , people have been told its covid 19 and not these conditions that have made them I'll.
Just as people who have heart attacks, cancer, even one guy was hit by a bus and it was recorded as a covid 19 death because of the false positive. I have no idea what is really going on, I only know it's very sinister, more people are thinking for themselves and realising they've been duped.
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Wev1 Posted on 15/09/2020 16:20

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"if covid wasnt reported in the media
would any of us know that this killer virus even existed ???"

Could say that about anything, I wasn't at WW1, and don't know anyone that was, but I'm pretty sure it still happened.

But yeah, I would know, as I've got friends and family working on the covid ward at James Cook, that have also had the virus. They describe scenes unlike any other they've seen, and with symptoms and problems unlike any other.

"Also no cases today due to no testing.
Stop getting tests and our lives will go back to normal much quicker."

Does that mean if someone thought they had cancer they shouldn't go get tested, and ignore the advice to get chemo? What about a heart attack? If you don't ring the ambulance you don't die, right?

"Aye it's that bad you need a test to find out if you've got or had it"

Just like the early stages of cancer or aids huh? Jumping off a 5 meter roof might not kill you, doesn't mean it's a good idea, and it will probably kill some.

"https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/covid-19-testing-pcr-a-critical-appraisal/"
Ant-Vaxxers, enough said.....
Would you advise your family not to get vaccinated?

Current PCR testing in 2020 (not 1993), has been described by experts all over the globe as reliable, if done correctly. That's experts working for WHO, governments, NHS, universities, independent companies, maybe every single one of them is "in on it", it's probably only a few million keeping the same secret.

"Hypoxia is a condition in which the body or a region of the body is deprived of adequate oxygen supply at the tissue level. Hypoxia may be classified as either generalized, affecting the whole body, or local, affecting a region of the body.
It can and has been brought on by excessive use of masks, as is hypercapnia. Of course , people have been told its covid 19 and not these conditions that have made them I'll."

Hypoxia isn't caused by a paper or cloth mask FFS, it might be possible with an N95 or wearing a gas mask, but even then it's unlikely. Don't hear of many doctors passing out with hypoxia when operating, do you, and I never saw anyone pass out with hypoxia when running around in a gas mask, and they had more excuse than any.

Causes of Hypercapnia include the likes of COPD, if you've got that, then don't wear a mask, as you're in bother anyway, simple, you get a pass. Just keep out of the way of people for the good of their health, and the good of your own health as if you get covid, you're in bother if you become symptomatic.

You lot need to grow up and take your tin foil hats off. There's countless people like you lot who have got the virus and retracted early ludicrous statements they've made.

Maybe those doctors and nurses you were all clapping made it all up, or maybe you're just all a bunch of doyles that wouldn't dare say this crap in public, especially in front of any nurses or doctors.

Would any of you hold a sign up saying "this virus isn't real" outside James Cook front entrance, for £100?
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johnnycjnr Posted on 15/09/2020 16:33

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Do you work for the Tories or something? You sound like the sort of troll that has invested threads like this across the internet. Wait till the winter, guaranteed second lockdown , which will be justified by using the fake 'test, test, test' warcry.
It'll have harsher conditions, the covid stasi will be up and running by then. A curfew will in place. Masks mandatory everywhere from the moment you step outside of your house. A bit like the fascism that's being carried out in Australia at the moment.
You're definitely not of sound mind Weval,your username is very apt. I'm going for 3-1 to the Boro tonight.
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SmoggyUDT82 Posted on 15/09/2020 17:01

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Johnny, if he sounds like what you say he sounds like don't you just sound the same spouting your own point of view?

And my I add that you've not brought anything to the table other than this doesn't exist. Maybe answer some of the things which are being brought up and maybe we can understand more why you believe what you do, as at the moment I feel like you're only name calling with no substance.
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Wev1 Posted on 15/09/2020 17:23

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"Do you work for the Tories or something?"

Tories? I'm 100% against those to$$ers, they're mostly the reason we're in this mess, for not listening to the experts at the start, and being slow to react.

The other reason we're in this mess is from people not giving a to$$ and pretending it doesn't exist, yet they don't have the bottle to say it in public. Just like flat earthers, anti vaxxers, climate change deniers, those against BLM etc. All very vocal behind a keyboard, but wouldn't spout that crap in front of an expert, in front of a random group of people they don't know, or at a job interview.

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Heam44 Posted on 15/09/2020 17:32

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This debate is more painful than Covid.

JonnycJnr is going to end up in hospital if this intellectual beating continues.
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Wev1 Posted on 15/09/2020 17:34

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"Johnny, if he sounds like what you say he sounds like don't you just sound the same spouting your own point of view?

And my I add that you've not brought anything to the table other than this doesn't exist. Maybe answer some of the things which are being brought up and maybe we can understand more why you believe what you do, as at the moment I feel like you're only name calling with no substance."

Just like brexiters, anti vaxxers, climate change deniers, flat earthers etc. As soon as you quiz them on specifics they don't answer, they just move onto some other BS. Then once you've disprove all their crap, they just bugger off and spread their crap elsewhere.

They won't enter debate, as they're either incapable, have no argument or eventually they realise they're spouting crap. They go against 99.9% of the scientific community, the same community that's been improving health and technology, for the last 5,000 years or whatever.

They just don't get that all opinions are not equal, the collective opinions of experts are those most important. Finding one "expert" out of 1,000 who agrees with the conspiracy is proof of nothing.

Or they're just trolling, some would be low enough to do that I expect. Daft thing is some people are stupid enough to believe the trolls and it cots lives.
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Durktron Posted on 15/09/2020 18:30

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This a virus totally different to cancer, you dont catch cancer[cr] jesus christ can't believe you have just compared the 2 !!! Unbelievable.
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Durktron Posted on 15/09/2020 18:42

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Comparing cancer to covid wow just wow no words [|)]
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Wev1 Posted on 15/09/2020 20:43

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"This a virus totally different to cancer, you dont catch cancer[cr] jesus christ can't believe you have just compared the 2 !!! Unbelievable.

Comparing cancer to covid wow just wow no words"

Wow, you're hard work.

I wasn't comparing it to cancer, but bovisouly you don't have the mental capacity to understand that.

But to make things simpler for you, I was basically mentioning another medical issue, that effectively requires a test to prove the illness or infection, with some accuracy. You don't seem to think covid tests are worthwhile, so I was just wondering if you thought cancer tests were worthwhile? Seeing as it's the same medical practices, advisers and organisations that would suggest you get tests for both. I'm saying you should get tests for both, in agreement with 99.9% of medical professionals.

I thought you were saying covid doesn't exist? [?]
How do you catch something if it doesn't exist? [?]

So, now you seem to be in acceptance that it does exist, then how do you stop catching/ spreading something, without limiting contact or stopping release of the virus? [?]

You mentioned Jesus Christ, does he exist? Do you think he could turn water into wine? Was his mum a virgin? [?]
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Wev1 Posted on 15/09/2020 20:43

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"This a virus totally different to cancer, you dont catch cancer[cr] jesus christ can't believe you have just compared the 2 !!! Unbelievable.

Comparing cancer to covid wow just wow no words"

Wow, you're hard work.

I wasn't comparing it to cancer, but bovisouly you don't have the mental capacity to understand that.

But to make things simpler for you, I was basically mentioning another medical issue, that effectively requires a test to prove the illness or infection, with some accuracy. You don't seem to think covid tests are worthwhile, so I was just wondering if you thought cancer tests were worthwhile? Seeing as it's the same medical practices, advisers and organisations that would suggest you get tests for both. I'm saying you should get tests for both, in agreement with 99.9% of medical professionals.

I thought you were saying covid doesn't exist? [?]
How do you catch something if it doesn't exist? [?]

So, now you seem to be in acceptance that it does exist, then how do you stop catching/ spreading something, without limiting contact or stopping release of the virus? [?]

You mentioned Jesus Christ, does he exist? Do you think he could turn water into wine? Was his mum a virgin? [?]
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Wev1 Posted on 15/09/2020 20:45

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"This a virus totally different to cancer, you dont catch cancer[cr] jesus christ can't believe you have just compared the 2 !!! Unbelievable.

Comparing cancer to covid wow just wow no words"

Wow, you're hard work.

I wasn't comparing it to cancer, but obvisouly you don't have the mental capacity to understand that.

But to make things simpler for you, I was basically mentioning another medical issue, that effectively requires a test to prove the illness or infection, with some accuracy. You don't seem to think covid tests are worthwhile, so I was just wondering if you thought cancer tests were worthwhile? Seeing as it's the same medical practices, advisers and organisations that would suggest you get tests for both. I'm saying you should get tests for both, in agreement with 99.9% of medical professionals.

I thought you were saying covid doesn't exist? [?]
How do you catch something if it doesn't exist? [?]

So, now you seem to be in acceptance that it does exist, then how do you stop catching/ spreading something, without limiting contact or stopping release of the virus? [?]

You mentioned Jesus Christ, does he exist? Do you think he could turn water into wine? Was his mum a virgin? [?]
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Durktron Posted on 16/09/2020 08:26

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[|)] never once said it doesn't exist I said it's got a very high survival rate.
I also said if people atop getting tests then we wouldn't be getting our rights took from us again, I get it you're worried but the majority of people now aren't easily convinced by these so called professionals and the tests have never been reliable either.
My point being cancer is a serious disease that many people get, covid isn't that common even with the bogus testing and it's got a high survival rate even among the elderly.
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Wev1 Posted on 16/09/2020 13:01
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"[|)] never once said it doesn't exist I said it's got a very high survival rate."
You claimed masks didn't work, the virus is the same as the flu and a 99.9% survival rate (99.97% in another thread), none of which is proven, or backed up with what practically the entire world and medical profession agree on. It's more so looking at who it's likely to kill the most too, just because you might be ok, does not mean it's ok to put some older people at massive risk.

"I also said if people atop getting tests then we wouldn't be getting our rights took from us again,"
No, just because you don't get tested, does not mean you do not have the virus. You can't just ignore something and hope it goes away, it needs confirming and limiting, or there is just going to be more damage and loss.

"I get it you're worried"
I'm not worried for myself, not even in the slightest, as I'm in the practically zero risk age group and I'm fit and healthy. I'm more bothered about getting it, being asymptomatic and passing onto others unknowingly. Ie just cos I survive, does not make it ok, especially if I then go on and pass it to someone's grandma, who then dies. Equally it's not ok for some tosser to not wear a mask, and risk passing it to my family and risk killing them.

"but the majority of people now aren't easily convinced by these so called professionals"
The majority of people are convinced, you're the minority. Pretty sure anyone of sound mind would respect what a doctor or nurse over at James Cook would say, whether that's delivering a baby, amputating a leg, giving chemo, treating covid or following advice how to prevent covid spreading.

Just out of interest, were you clapping those "so called professionals" on a Thursday night?

"and the tests have never been reliable either."
Depends how you're defining reliable, I would say 70% is more than good enough for the virus test, coupled with the known symptoms, and also others being tested, the accuracy of knowing if you currently have the virus is probably over 95%. That's a lot better than nothing, and isn't unreliable as far as saving lives goes. A negative test result is not confirmation you don't have covid, and if you have symptoms you should self isolate or seek further advice.

The antibody test is pretty much accepted as over 98% accurate, not exactly unreliable. If a boat was sinking and someone offered you a 95% chance of survival would you take it, or say "nah mate, that's not good enough for me".

If I was getting tested for anything else with that sort of accuracy, I would say it's pretty good. If that's all that was available, and it could potentially save lives, then I would accept it.

"My point being cancer is a serious disease that many people get, covid isn't that common even with the bogus testing and it's got a high survival rate even among the elderly."

We ended up with 60,000 dead people (and not finished yet), because a few, maybe even one, arrived in the UK with the virus. It's not whether it's deadly to you on your own, it's how deadly it is to everyone else, and then who they pass it on to, and them on to etc etc.

One or two people getting infected, have effectively passed this on to what has ultimately led to 1 million dead. The likelihood of anyone dying from cancer in the entire world is about 15%, at the peak in the UK, covid was killing more people than everything else combined.

Someone holding a loaded A-15 probably isn't in much danger to himself, yeah he may get shot and killed by the police, but before that happens he could kill 30, 100, 200, or even start a war which could end up in millions dead.
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Durktron Posted on 18/09/2020 19:49

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Strange how the cases keep going up even with the masks and social distancing [rle].
Stop acting like you know what you're talking about and start questioning what's really going on.
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johnnycjnr Posted on 19/09/2020 01:27

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Did nobody actually read my posts? Talk about selective memory,do I have to repeat myself?
Its not difficult to see that fascism is being rolled out, while lots of people can see it, far too many are frogs in the boiling pot. The important thing about the pcr tests is that crazily, it was'nt designed to detect a virus, this is'nt a secret, it's been used because it provides a false positive when used. It will amplify the result over and over, until it finds a remnant of a years old virus. Therefore providing false statistics, what is so hard to grasp about this? It's not even up for debate you fools, it's a well known fact. You all pretend not to read this info cos you can't comprehend the implications of what is really happening.
People have been told they have covid 19, without symptoms because of this flawed test. Its also been well documented that families of the deceased have been upset and angry about their loved ones having covid 19 listed as a cause of death, when in reality they've died because of a myriad of conditions, cancer, dementia, heart disease, etc. The XXXXXX about care homes is obviously because young people don't die in great numbers do they? Ordering care homes not to resuscitate?
It's madness. But it helps the figures. Old people who go into care homes don't generally come out after a few years rejuvenated, going on to live to 125 do they?
It's all about fear and control, 24 hour media hype and manipulation, and you're all falling for it.
Cognitive dissonance on a massive scale.
I've stood next to you no doubt, shared a joke, banter etc, I'm not someone whose seen too many episodes of the X Files. Why would they not advise the public to wear masks 6 months ago?
Does the fact that they told us they were ineffective then not ring an alarm bell?
Covid Marshalls? Snitch on your neighbour?
You would all have fitted right in , Berlin circa 1936.
Nobody on social media, facebook , the ultimate attention seeking, virtue signaling machine have posted about having covid 19, or their loved ones, no selfies , videos, nobody in supermarkets have been ill. People who have worked through it all. My girlfriend was scared back in March, now she could 'nt care less about the virus, she's more concerned about what's really happening, the loss of freedom. She worked throughout it all, no illness. Her colleagues, no illness. Ask in Tesco or asda, they tell you the same. It must avoid supermarkets though eh, just like it does the pub and restaurants, starbucks and schools. Wait till the winter kicks in, it's all being set up for a harsher lockdown, how anyone can't see it amazes me. I'll bump this like I said when the time comes.
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Durktron Posted on 19/09/2020 08:29

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Couldn't agree more [^] shame alot of people are all for these basic rights and liberties been took away from them.
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Wev1 Posted on 19/09/2020 10:35
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Durktron,

Why are you scared to answer my comments? Any time you post something it's simple to take apart, yet you don't answer, which is the classic "conspiracy theorist" action.

"Strange how the cases keep going up even with the masks and social distancing [rle]."

That's because movements and interactions have increased about 10% every month since April 1st (when interactions were at -70%, we're now at -20%), or have you not realised that? Have you not been outside and noticed most things are back to normal, except with wearing masks?

They would go up even more without the social distancing and masks, this has been proven countless times.

Surely you must understand:
If you stay away from someone, it will prevent them getting the virus.
A mask can stop or, at the very least limit outward transmission in volume, or by distance projected.
Washing hands kills virus on your hands, so then if you touch your face or mouth or nose there's less chance of virus getting to these areas.
Gravity exists - particles of exhaled moisture, coughs and sneezes will hit the deck if large enough (hence keeping 2m from someone)

They might not make a massive difference each, but add them all up and they collectively make a massive difference, and that's the only option, or just shut the country down again to stop the public self harm.

"Stop acting like you know what you're talking about and start questioning what's really going on."

What's really going on then? There's literally a very basic and simple answer to everything, it's called a pandemic/ virus, there's been quite a few of them over the history of mankind, but this is one of the first big ones that we have the technology, infrastructure and ability to fight, if we listen to the right people.

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Wev1 Posted on 19/09/2020 11:01
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johnnycjnr, I answered you on 15/09 at 16:20

Protection of the public isn't facism. Some people aren't smart enough to listen to or trust experts so need protecting from themselves, or at least get most to understand to limit the damage the idiots do.

Things can do other jobs than those they're designed for you know? Sometimes they're all that is available and something is often better than nothing, especially if it's 70% accurate. The increase in infection is being proven by an increase in deaths trailing the infection rate by 15-25 days, the world learnt this in Jan, Feb and Mar, and it's now using it as a predictor. That's how things work, you learn, treat and predict, then learn some more, treat some more and then predict better. That's why people now can live till they're 80 quite easily, rather than 35. It's the medical experts that have done that, the same ones treating covid and the same ones saying wash your hads, limit contact, wear a mask etc.

More people don't know they have covid, than those that have a had a test and a false positive.
Of course some deaths may go down wrongly (as they have forever), but there's tons that died without getting a test when they were alive or dead, maybe those care homes were just putting cyanide in their brews huh?

They didn't advise masks 6 months ago as they were stupidly looking at inward protection only, rather than understanding that limiting viral load going out was just as, or even more important. Plus there wasn't enough masks, and certainly not enough masks that could do the job of 100% protecting infection.

My mam is working on the covid ward, and has had the virus, like half her colleagues! If you don't believe it go to James Cook or Bolton or wherever and tell the doctors and nurses leaving, that it doesn't exist.

Do you really think that people are going to advertise that they have had the virus? Have you not noticed some of these premises have shut themselves down due to infection? Obviously a supermarket can't really close, as then it just means that demand increases elsewhere, which increases risk there, and so on.

Do you not think that our death rate being double what it usually is in April is strange? Or are you saying these people didn't die? Covid accounted for half our deaths in April (which was the increase), that's the same as cancer, heart disease, suicide and dementia combined. Maybe all those pre-dug graves where just to give the digging gangs something to do. Who's been buried in the holes? Mannequins from Binns?

You don't need to bump it, just grow some balls and go down the hospital, or ask the staff at one of the care homes that got riddled with it. You won't do that of course.
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Doppelganger Posted on 19/09/2020 12:15
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For all of you who think Covid is just a cold or a big con, please watch the video in the link. Really watch it.

If we all do our bit it will be over quicker. If not, more deaths. More lockdowns. Act like caring adults or selfish children. It's up to you.

Link: Covid
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johnnycjnr Posted on 19/09/2020 13:58

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You're an idiot DG. Your liberties are being taken away from you slowly but surely. Did you not read anything in the thread?
You blindly disregarded it all and post propaganda. You're all to blame for what's happening, you really are in for a massive kick up the rectum. Brainwashed idiots
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Wev1 Posted on 19/09/2020 14:14
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johnnycjnr, do you need some help getting out of that rabbit hole you've fell down?

Ok then, lets assume I'm incorrect:
In that case, as a mask wearer, I'm one of the sheep, but not making things any worse. I was listening to expert advice and thinking I was doing my bit to stop the spread, but it stopped all by itself instead or doesn't even exist.

Now lets assume you're incorrect:
In that case, you're a non mask wearer, didn't listen to expert advice and are one of those that are killing people, or not helping others stop killing people. You made the first spread worse, and are making second and third waves more likely.

Shall we both go down to James Cook and have a chat to some doctors and nurses? I'll dress up as a sheep and wear a mask, you can hold up a sign saying it's all fake?

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Doppelganger Posted on 19/09/2020 14:54

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Johnny. Seriously you need help. You remind me of an holocaust denier.

There's been around 600 NHS and Care workers who have lost their lives. That's someone's wife, husband, son, daughter, brother, sister. Human beings.
And it's being made worse by funts who won't do the right thing because "It's all a hoax", or "It's impending on my civil rights", or "Masks are comfortable".
It's pathetic. You need to take a good look at who you are.

Link: Not Fake News.
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Durktron Posted on 19/09/2020 16:17
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I just find it boring to read all your paragraphs, I'm impatient can't you just summarise your points from now on ?
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Durktron Posted on 19/09/2020 16:36

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SmoggyUDT82 Posted on 19/09/2020 18:20

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What gets me is that people continue to use the line - of course cases are on the up we are testing more.

The capacity for testing at the end of lockdown was over 200k but we weren't reaching that limit, mainly down to the fact we were under restrictions and movement was non existent - thus reducing the number of people suffering from symptoms.

Today we have a capacity of just over 200k and have reached the capacity because more people are moving around thus meaning more people are getting symptoms. The time of year is also not helping with people mixing colds up with COVID symptoms.

So yes we are getting more positives than we were because more tests are getting processed, but that's not because more tests are available.

Number of test available are exactly the same, it's the amount of people going for them that has changed.
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johnnycjnr Posted on 20/09/2020 00:54

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DG, again, you're a brainwashed idiot, lapping up the propaganda, even worse sharing it. What part of the tests are worthless di you not understand? Socialism is on the way in, all this is being targeted at the middle class, you can't have classes with socialism.
Lockdown pt 2 is going to kill a hell of a kit of business' off, they don't care about us, the peasants. Engage your brain, look into who these people are as individuals.
600 people died within the NHS [:P][:P].
Your lack of knowledge is astounding, gain some quickly is my advice, or continue to XXXXXX over the likes of Tedros, Gates, HanXXXXXX and Robinson.
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SmoggyUDT82 Posted on 20/09/2020 11:00

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Johnny please share your reliable source of information? You've not linked anything which we can use - all you say is look but you're not backing anything up.

Come on give me your sources
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Doppelganger Posted on 20/09/2020 13:13

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I know two people who work within the NHS who are seeing more cases of what they call "Covid Lung". The lung is surrounded in fluid, similar to how the liver is with people with cirrhosis.
These are young fit people, who will survive Covid, but they now have compromised immune system and will be vulnerable in the future if they get another virus. You will see more of this as the years go by. This is real, it's happening. People can limit this by simply wearing a mask in public (and yes they do work). It's not difficult. Just do it.

Link: Covid Lung Damage.
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AlbertoBongaloid Posted on 20/09/2020 16:58

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Sounds more like pneumonia to me.

The human body has dealt with diseases and infections since time began yet some people have been fooled into thinking that creating a face covering out of a pair of old pants is the Ďcaringí thing to do. Itís not caring, itís ridiculous and itís not going to protect anyone, heart of all the person whoís wearing it. Having something covered in bacteria strapped to your face instead of breathing in fresh air is quite frankly crazy.
And what happens when youíre not wearing it? Oh, it goes in your pocket to pass on the germs to your hands.
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Durktron Posted on 20/09/2020 19:54

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Exactly masks are just there to pass the blame on people who won't/can't wear one, at the end of the day we really really need to just get on with our lives it's not healthy being masked up and couped up for too long.
The last lockdown cost me my job and almost my wife and maybe life if I didn't get the help I needed.[^]
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SmoggyUDT82 Posted on 20/09/2020 20:37
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Let's say you woke up with a terrible cough, a fever, and severe body aches. Immediately, you rush to the doctor and unfortunately, youíre diagnosed with COVID-19. For the last two weeks, youíve been unaware that you were infected and youíve ignored "the rules." You've gotten together with some close friends for pizza, had a few people over, even visited a park and a beach. You figured, ďI donít feel sick. I have the right to keep living my normal life. No one can tell me what to do."
With your diagnosis, you spend the next few days at home on the couch, feeling pretty crappy; but then youíre well again because youíre young, healthy and strong. Lucky you. But your best friend caught it from you during a visit to your house, and because she didn't know she was contagious, she visited her 82-year-old grandfather, who uses oxygen tanks daily to help him breathe because he has COPD and heart failure. Now, heís dead.

Your co-worker, who has asthma, caught it too, during your little pizza get-together. Now, heís in the ICU, and he's spread it to a few others in his family, too--but they won't know that for another couple of weeks yet.

The cashier at the restaurant where you picked up the pizza carried the infection home to his wife, who has MS, which makes her immunosuppressed. Sheís not as lucky as you, so sheís admitted to the hospital because sheís having trouble breathing. She may need to be placed in a medically-induced coma and intubated; she may not get to say goodbye to her loved ones. She may die surrounded by machines, with no family at her bedside.

All because you couldn't stand the inconvenience of a mask; of staying home; of changing your familiar routines for just a little while. Because you have the right, above all others rights, to continue living your normal life and no one, I mean no one, has the right to tell you what to do.

#SocialDistancing = Itís not about YOU!
#WearAMask = It's not about YOU!
#StayHome = It's not about YOU!
#GetTested = It's not about YOU!
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Doppelganger Posted on 21/09/2020 08:16

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This will be my last post on the subject as it's obvious I won't be able to convince the conspiracy nuts or those who think the whole world revolves around them.

It's not about YOU. If wearing a mask means one less person dies or get's life changing issues due to Covid, then it is worth it.

You are being asked to wear a mask so a deadly virus isn't spread. That is all. No one is asking you to serve in the trenches.

And maybe, just maybe, by knowing you are putting others first, you will become a happier person yourself, and make those around you happier. Be the human being they want you to be.

The more people who do the right thing NOW, the fewer deaths, the fewer lockdowns.

Link: Masks Help.
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johnnycjnr Posted on 21/09/2020 09:11

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Take 8 minutes out of your brainwashed BBC/Sky/MSM routine and watch this.

https://youtu.be/BegGXhBD4Lc

It should enlighten some to the real threat which is amongst us.
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Wev1 Posted on 21/09/2020 09:21

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"I just find it boring to read all your paragraphs, I'm impatient can't you just summarise your points from now on ?"

That's probably why your opinion is worthless, as you have the inability/ patience to read and process information, and identify where the factual information is coming from. Factual information coming from thousands of respected sources, along with every single health agency in the world and pretty much every disease specialist, pandemic specialist, doctor and nurse in the world. Fake information is coming from (???).

Summary: You're either ignorant, or knowingly on the side of those helping to spread the virus and kill people, which is then leading to lock downs and economic loss.

Anyway, they reply is to you, but also for others which may think the same way as you.

The simple reality is, if you behave like spoilt children, then you will have your toys taken from you, and we will get locked down, or have measures imposed on us that none of us want. If everyone played ball then the R rate can be controlled, to a degree, until a vaccine becomes available (9 of them are Phase 3).

For those that think a vaccine won't come (a vaccine is highly likely, according to experts), then we will be doing this for a while until herd immunity is reached, but at least the spread will be in low numbers, which can be managed by the NHS. Low numbers also means most can still work. If it gets out of hand, the NHS gets overwhelmed then the fatality rate doubles or triples as there's not enough staff, space or equipment to treat everyone. The government nearly let this happen previously, they likely (hopefully) won't make the same mistake twice, so that means lockdowns (probably targeted).

The worst behaved areas, will have the harshest measures imposed on them. So effectively, not wearing a mask or obeying rules is like a dirty protest, except you're going to have to clean your own $hit up.
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Wev1 Posted on 21/09/2020 09:47
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johnnycjnr,

"people who are dying from it are sick previously, from their own choices"

Oh really?

"I wouldn't call it a pandemic"

Nearly a million dead already, probably double that have been on a ventilator, even more in hospital, even more treating them. I reckon they would all say otherwise.

A pandemic is defined as an epidemic occurring worldwide, or over a very wide area, crossing international boundaries and usually affecting a large number of people. - I reckon that box can be ticked.

He's basing his reasoning only on where he lives, because they have not had hardly any cases. He himself has seen zero cases. Maybe he should have tried living in New York like his "mates".

He just sounds like an anti-vaxxer, conspiracy nut, who would probably be against an NHS. He seems selfish, like an every man for himself kind of person, which is fine, until you're the person at risk and there's nobody to help or protect you.

Fair enough he thinks people should be more healthy, and less would die if they were, which is 100% true. Problem is you can't go back in time to when the old people where kids and advise them different. Even now a mass of people can't look after themselves, despite all the diet advice and studies on drugs, alcohol, sugar, fat, smoking etc.

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Wev1 Posted on 21/09/2020 09:50
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johnnycjnr,

"people who are dying from it are sick previously, from their own choices"

Oh really? All of them deserve to die because they made bad choices previously? What about those that didn't make bad choices and just got sick, or those that were just doing as they thought was best, as advice/ tech was poor when they were younger?

Maybe we should save the virus the trouble and just kill anyone that has a drink, smokes a cigarette, eats a cake, is half a pound overweight or unfit?

What about those that ignore covid advice and then go onto infect others that didn't make bad choices. Who deserves to die in that scenario? The active/ reckless spreader, the one that got secondary infection, or neither?

"I wouldn't call it a pandemic"

Nearly a million dead already, probably double that have been on a ventilator. I reckon they would say otherwise.

A pandemic is defined as an epidemic occurring worldwide, or over a very wide area, crossing international boundaries and usually affecting a large number of people. - I reckon that box can be ticked.

He's basing his reasoning only on where he lives, because they have not had hardly any cases. He himself has seen zero cases. Maybe he should have tried living in New York like his "mates".

He just sounds like an anti-vaxxer, conspiracy nut, who would probably be against an NHS. He seems selfish, like an every man for himself kind of person, which is fine, until you're the person at risk and there's nobody to help or protect you.

Fair enough he thinks people should be more healthy, and less would die if they were, which is 100% true. Problem is you can't go back in time to when the old people where kids and advise them different. Even now a mass of people can't look after themselves, despite all the diet advice and studies on drugs, alcohol, sugar, fat, smoking etc.

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Durktron Posted on 22/09/2020 18:15

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Wev you have no clue [^]
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 23/09/2020 10:50

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I wear one because I want to feel like I am in a Stanley Kubrick movie.

Viddy well oh my brothers, viddy well!
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Wev1 Posted on 24/09/2020 13:54

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Durktron, you have no answers, because you're wrong.

You're in disagreeance with the experts, Dr's, Nurses, NHS, WHO and practically the entire worlds elected parties and leaders, it's your job to prove why they're all wrong, but you have absolutely zero.
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Dibzzz Posted on 24/09/2020 14:16

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I wear one as I'm not a selfish bellend and have a care of duty to my elder family members and community.

What's the big drama of wearing one in a shop for ten minutes? It's no inconvenience whatsoever.

And has it ever occurred to them that not wearing one when you can, is helping to extend the restrictions they hate?

Get a fcucking grip for fcuks sake.
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Durktron Posted on 24/09/2020 19:07

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You're wrong.

Wear one then nobody is stopping you.
Just nobody stops me when I don't wear one or say anything to me [ref]
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Wev1 Posted on 25/09/2020 10:27
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"You're wrong."

When you say "you're", you must also mean the below too, as I'm in agreeance and on the same side of these:
Experts, Dr's, Nurses, NHS, Care home staff/ operators, WHO and practically the entire worlds elected parties and leaders.

I wonder if you clapped the Dr's, Nurses and care home staff on a Thursday night?
Will you listen to them when you next need their help or assistance, which is a practical certainty for us all?

To be fair, you deserve to get this virus for the way you're acting, but whoever you're going to pass it onto doesn't deserve it, unless they're an idiot ignoring the skilled advice also.

"Wear one then nobody is stopping you."
I will, and do, like the vast majority of people.

"Just nobody stops me when I don't wear one or say anything to me"
That's because they probably assume one or all of the below:
A) You have some sort of exemption
B) You're more likely to be infected
C) They don't want the confrontation or the increased risk that comes with that
D) You're a selfish XXXXXX
E) It's not their job to stop you

Do you want a medal for not wearing a mask, or maybe a gold star? Actually, to be fair you don't deserve one. Kids get those for being able to tie their shoelaces and behaving at an expected level, you've not quite reached that level yet, and there's no signs of you getting there.
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Durktron Posted on 25/09/2020 16:59

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No just you are wrong in general.
No I didn't clap the nhs because my mrs who works for them thought it was a kick in the teeth from boris with no pay rise.
Yes I have an exemption anxiety and depression and yes I'm 6ft 7 and 220 pounds so they probably dont want to confront me anyway but I am a gentle person.
No i do not want a medal and no i do not deserve to be ill just for having a different opinion to you but if i get the virus so be it I'll take the odds [^]
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redblood Posted on 25/09/2020 20:00

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Wev, Dont know why you are wasting your time on Durktron. Keep in mind, the thickhead is six foot seven and two hundred and twenty pounds and so obviously, a gorilla.
Certainly has the brain of one.
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Durktron Posted on 25/09/2020 20:32

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No need for that like [:O] what have I done to you [cr]
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Heam44 Posted on 26/09/2020 05:54

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6í7Ē and 220 pounds.

Thatís not even 16 stone.

Who knew Peter Crouch was a Boro fan?

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redblood Posted on 26/09/2020 07:24

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Durktron, Asides from making my blood boil with your selfishness, you've done nothing to me.
You know, I was going to say a lot more but you're not capable of taking anything on board as many on here have tried and failed and at the end of the day, you are not worthy of my efforts.

Truly hope that you get your problems and head sorted, as I, unlike yourself, care about my fellow human beings.

My sincerest apologies to any Gorillas that I may have offended.
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Wev1 Posted on 26/09/2020 08:31

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"No just you are wrong in general."
Which part, and how? You've offered zero proof or anything with scientific/ peer reviewed backing. You might as well be saying the earth is flat, the mooon is made of cheese, vaccinations don't work etc.

"No I didn't clap the nhs because my mrs who works for them thought it was a kick in the teeth from boris with no pay rise."
The pay rise should have been in years ago, but people (clowns) keep voting these Tories in. The clap was for the public to show the workers to show support, it wasn't for Boris, it was more in spite of Boris. I know about 10-50 nurses, to different extents, and as far as I'm aware, each and every one of them appreciated the public gesture.

"Yes I have an exemption anxiety and depression and yes I'm 6ft 7 and 220 pounds so they probably dont want to confront me anyway but I am a gentle person."
Is that a doctors exemption (the experts you don't trust), or your own exemption?

Seems to me like you're not fussed about the reason you have an exemption (if you do), you just seem to use that as your fall back excuse. You seem more like you've self exempted yourself anyway, regardless.

If only those that you walk past could self exempt themselves from a virus you're more likely to spread.

"No i do not want a medal and no i do not deserve to be ill just for having a different opinion to you but if i get the virus so be it I'll take the odds [^]"

Well you're more deserving of it than those that follow advice. I'm not really bothered about you though, I'm more bothered about the other 1,2,5,10, 100 you could directly/ indirectly pass it onto, or those that have to spend their time treating you, when they could be treating someone else that's been helping the cause.

You obviously just don't get it, and I'm just wasting my time here on you, just hope others have read what I've wrote and saw some sense.

Just do everyone else a favour and stay out of mask wearers way, they don't deserve to be impacted by your flawed beliefs.
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Durktron Posted on 26/09/2020 08:27

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I do care about all human beings, just because I don't want to wear a pointless mask doesn't mean I don't care.
I hate what this country is becoming the media and government have created this divide and hate between people.
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Durktron Posted on 26/09/2020 08:38

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You're the one trying to bully and intimidate me for not wearing something I do not want to!
I don't drink so I'm not going in the pubs which are packed to the rafters.
I'm not working because I lost my job after furlough.
I try to stay away from the shops as much as possible and certainly don't go near anybody.
I do not go to gyms because of money.
I work out in my garage and go on jogs because it's the only thing keeping me sane.
So when you say I don't get it you're wrong i do get it. I'm just not buying into the severity thr government are playing this virus, when other people are spreading it alot more than me but I get the blame and deserve to get it just because I don't want to wear a mask.
If that makes me selfish yeah I am for once in my life thinking of my self.
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Durktron Posted on 26/09/2020 08:44

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And yes mate well done it's less than 16 stone![^]
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Durktron Posted on 26/09/2020 10:15

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And also not that I have to give my reason to you anyway but yes I have a exemption note from the doctor.
You don't know me and you have judged my off a few posts.
So I'll do the same to you.
You seem like the typical know it all XXXXXX that believes everything the government do or say.
You probably sit in the pubs packed out and moan about young people that " just don't get it".
People have bigger problems in their lives than a virus that kills less than 1% of people, I wish this virus is all I have to worry about.
But like I said don't know me and don't know what I'm like so I'll let it slide and just crack on.
This will be my last post on here, I dont do social media because I tend to outburst and make a show of myself when I drank.
I posted on here because nobody knows me and I thought people were empathic about other peoples problems but obviously not.
Well done mate I'm off. [^]
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Heam44 Posted on 26/09/2020 20:46

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Fair play Durktron, there is probably a lot of people who agree with you but donít have the balls to say.

Hope things pick up for you mate.

Best of luck fella
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SmoggyUDT82 Posted on 27/09/2020 08:17

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From all that you said I can't argue but the one thing I can pick up on is this:

"So when you say I don't get it you're wrong i do get it. I'm just not buying into the severity the government are playing this virus, when other people are spreading it alot more than me but I get the blame and deserve to get it just because I don't want to wear a mask."

My question from this is that the pandemic is world wide and the severity is being played out world wide but you seem to only pick on our government, why is this? why is the whole world shouting the same thing? if it were about control why isn't it just this country?
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Wev1 Posted on 30/09/2020 15:56
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"I do care about all human beings, just because I don't want to wear a pointless mask doesn't mean I don't care."

It's been proven countless times that the masks stop/ limit the virus leaving one person, and becoming available to another to catch.

If you don't understand that, then great, all the more reason to listen to those that do, wear the mask.
If you do understand that, and can do it, then do it, wear the mask.
If you do understand that, and can't do it, then don't do it, but please do not say you're not doing it for some other BS reason, founded on zero scientific or medical backing.

"I hate what this country is becoming the media and government have created this divide and hate between people."

I hate ignorant people, that will not listen to experts, not follow medical advice, which is there to prevent them passing virus onto others, which is getting some of them killed.

"You're the one trying to bully and intimidate me for not wearing something I do not want to!"

Nobody wants to wear it!!!! But most are not selfish and they would put others ahead of themselves (if it's no hardship), and hence they do wear one.

"I don't drink so I'm not going in the pubs which are packed to the rafters."
Good, even most that did are not going to pubs. I used to be out twice a week with a varying group of 20-30 or so, now none of them/ us are going out. I've no idea how busy they are, as I've not been, but I'm guessing trade is significantly down.

"I'm not working because I lost my job after furlough."
That's of course unfortunate, but the virus likely caused the furlough, along with companies that can't fund downtime, or work which is volatile. Stop the virus and then companies can open again in full, and the jobs market will pick back up. Breaking rules will delay the jobs market picking up.

"I try to stay away from the shops as much as possible and certainly don't go near anybody."
So should everyone, and most are.

"I do not go to gyms because of money."
Same as most people

"I work out in my garage and go on jogs because it's the only thing keeping me sane."
Same as most that want to keep fit

"So when you say I don't get it you're wrong i do get it. I'm just not buying into the severity thr government are playing this virus, when other people are spreading it alot more than me but I get the blame and deserve to get it just because I don't want to wear a mask."

It's not just the government, it's every single government and it's literally every medical body in the entire world, and nearly every single member of staff that works from them. Literally nearly every single experienced virologist or anyone that studies or knows about pandemics etc. There's less than 0.1% of these professionals going against the grain, and whether they're qualified or right to do that, I've no idea.

But as 99.9% of the people that know the most are saying the same thing, then it's probably a good idea to follow the 99.9%, not the 0.1%.

"If that makes me selfish yeah I am for once in my life thinking of my self."
Yeah, it does, and that's ok sometimes, but being selfish normally doesn't get people killed. In this case non mask wearers inevitably are spreading the virus a lot more than in needs to be spread.

At least you're taking the other measures, but most people are too, except they're wearing the mask as well.

Someone doing 100 things and wearing a mask, might infect say 20 people
Someone doing 100 things and not wearing a mask, might infect say 50 people
Someone doing 20 things and wearing a mask, might infect say 4 people
Someone doing 20 things and not wearing a mask, might infect say 10 people

Doing less is good, if possible, but not as good as doing less and wearing a mask, or doing slightly more and wearing a mask.

"You seem like the typical know it all XXXXXX that believes everything the government do or say."

We aren't saying listen to us, or the government first and foremost. We're saying listen to the experts and the medical professionals. They're saying wear the mask and wash your hands FFS, our $hitty government are just passing over the information (badly).


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