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SophieMfc Posted on 31/07/2020 16:12
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Almost inevitable cases spiking all over the country, still no proper track and trace in place. Anything from 2-4,000 new infections every day. And winter is looking [xx(]
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plazmuh Posted on 31/07/2020 17:21

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They want you indoors during December for sure.
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Durktron Posted on 31/07/2020 17:48

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No chance of a lockdown happening again [^]
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myfooty Posted on 31/07/2020 19:31

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What data are the government using? Because going from the data that has been made public the number of daily confirmed cases has not changed much.

This government are shambles and have lost the trust of the public. This government still thinks people are gullible enough to keep falling for their cheap publicity stunts headlines.
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expat_smoggie Posted on 31/07/2020 20:15

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Soon weíll be one world and one government future looks bleak for freedom seekers ó house arrest until further notice
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Durktron Posted on 31/07/2020 20:32

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They can't police doggy never mind the whole country, lockdown ain't happening it failed first time so what's the point.
All this is to push their vaccine and drugs on us so they make loads of money, they couldn't give 2 XXXXXXs about the public health there is 100% something fishy about it all[LOVE]
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expat_smoggie Posted on 01/08/2020 01:22

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I think we'll see some sort of modified shutdown -- but anything more than that will spell economic disaster.
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newyddion Posted on 01/08/2020 14:42

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looks like they're just going to be shutting down areas rather than nationwide.

Like they did with Birmingham
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Doppelganger Posted on 01/08/2020 14:52

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This is what happens when selfish people just do what they want. Masks should be made to be worn in public at all times.
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Durktron Posted on 01/08/2020 16:39

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Selfish for wanting normality? Get a grip, people can do as they please and masks are an absolute joke they stop nothing unless they've been fitted to the face.
99% survival rate. [^]
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Uncle_Marbles Posted on 01/08/2020 18:19
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Aghhhhhhhhhhh
This is so phecking stupid.
Let the thing run. Simples. Protect the elderly and vulnerable...lockdown them if needed, but it is nothing more than a sniifle and aches to the test of the population, with most not experiencing no symptoms at all. It is a virus...let it run!!!! We are humams...we will survive it. Pheck knows what the actual death rate will be, regards the lack of identification, care and attention not given to the real biggest killers.
I think people who want another lockdowm, are just lazy furloughed tw@ts, who just want a paid holiday. Get back to work idiots. The economy is f@cked as it is.

And we are testing huge amounts of people every day now...of course the cases are going to rise....but they are minimal ...argghhhhhhhhhh..so many idiots!!!!!!
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Durktron Posted on 01/08/2020 18:28

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I agree, I think most of us were really worried at first and I lost my uncle during the peak to covid well he died "with it" but now my cousin thinks it was pneumonia which is very similar symptoms, the death rate has been massively over estimated, I will take my chances against anything that has a 99+ survival rate, I've lost my job during this bull shizer and still havent found one been a month now and its killing me not working. Anyway rant over.
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Uncle_Marbles Posted on 01/08/2020 18:32
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Sorry to you hear that pal

Is it right or have I heard it wrong, if you have had symptoms of covid....and then get knocked down by a bus (or any other means of death) within 28 days of diagnosis of the symptoms, then the cause of death is put down as Covid. WTF!!

When the full analysis is complete, a few years down the line, it will be looked upon as the greatest mistake and biggest overreaction in the history of mankind. The lockdown did not work. All we had to do, was protect the most vulnerable, elderly etc. Its a virus...a flu tyoe thing. No vaccine yet, but it will come, and so will immunity if it is left to run. The economies of the world are been destroyed, and the youth generations futures ruined. Madness

Social media, internet and the press have created the problem to this extent. Not many tears ago, this would not have been noticed. The excess deaths put down to flu. This doesnt even compare in the slightest to real pandemics like Spanish Flu ...that effected eveyrbody, young and old.
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richb Posted on 01/08/2020 18:52

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It's also causing strokes in young people, long term damage to the lungs and in some cases month long flu like symptoms.

It's not just a "sniffle and aches" for a lot of people. It attacks every cell in the body and they don't yet know why different people experience it differently. You can't just lock down some people if it starts to get out of control again because a significant number of previously healthy young people still require hospital treatment, which will lead to the NHS being overrun if the virus just rips through society.

And that's before taking into account the long term issues of the ongoing health issues for the people suffering lung damage and the complications of strokes brought on by covid.

Lockdown aren't something I'd want us to be falling back on though. But since they managed to botch track and trace so badly and were too quick to open pubs and other venues, it's no surprise that another one is already on the cards.
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Uncle_Marbles Posted on 01/08/2020 18:54

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"And that's before taking into account the long term issues of the ongoing health issues for the people suffering lung damage and the complications of strokes brought on by covid".

How about comparing that to the number of deaths related to non treated and ignored cancers, poverty, mental health suicide...I could go on and on a and on
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Durktron Posted on 01/08/2020 18:57

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I dont know if it's to that extent but yeah basically if you had any symptom it went on the deaths, also if you tested positive and died of heart attack also did the same.
The vaccine is the biggest load of bull ever, there is no cure for a virus doctors tell you that, it's just our bodies natural defences.
God knows what gonna be in the vaccines, I wont be taking it [^]
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richb Posted on 02/08/2020 10:32

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"How about comparing that to the number of deaths related to non treated and ignored cancers, poverty, mental health suicide...I could go on and on a and on"

Things which can't be passed from person to person. And things which will be exacerbated by allowing the virus to spread through the country unchecked. We should have a track and trace system in place now to help prevent us from needing another lockdown, but we don't, so it's either that or cause severe long term conditions in many people on top of the preventable excess deaths.

We shouldn't be in this position again, but we are, and we should always be on the side of saving lives.

"I dont know if it's to that extent but yeah basically if you had any symptom it went on the deaths, also if you tested positive and died of heart attack also did the same."

Heart attacks could be brought on by covid. It's impossible to know who died of or died with a disease in the middle of a pandemic. So it's right that if someone tested positive and died directly of something which could be caused by covid that it went on the death certificate.

"The vaccine is the biggest load of bull ever, there is no cure for a virus doctors tell you that, it's just our bodies natural defences.
God knows what gonna be in the vaccines, I wont be taking it [^]"

Vaccines aren't cures, they're ways of activating your bodies natural defenses to provide long term immunity to a viral or bacterial disease. There a vaccines for many viruses already which already exist - measles, flu viruses and varients of hepatitis, for example. What you are saying is simply factually incorrect and dangerous if people don't realise it is false.

If we want things to go back to normal, at least 70% of us need to have immunity. If that happens any other way than with a vaccine, we're looking at millions either suffering long term damage to their health or dying. We've got a choice, vaccines or life changing completely forever. Personally, I'd prefer the vaccine.
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Foggysfplandiet3 Posted on 02/08/2020 10:49

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Why do we bother getting advice from scientists with PhDs and the like when Durktron the fecking expert knows everything?
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Abel_Tasman Posted on 02/08/2020 11:17

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Very few listen to anonymous randoms on here spout off . I stick to football chat as most of us should do. If you want informed opinion there are much better sources.
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asredastheycome Posted on 02/08/2020 11:24

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"Doppelganger posted...........This is what happens when selfish people just do what they want. Masks should be made to be worn in public at all times."

Not according to Scientists in Holland

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8583925/The-land-no-face-masks-Hollands-scientists-say-theres-no-solid-evidence-coverings-work.html
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CasinoGrande Posted on 02/08/2020 12:06

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There is absolutely no way in heaven or earth this country will be locked down again. And that's not just my opinion.
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richb Posted on 02/08/2020 12:42

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"There is absolutely no way in heaven or earth this country will be locked down again. And that's not just my opinion."

It's also not a fact, you can't possibly know that it won't be. Yes, there is damage, economically and socially, that lockdown can bring. But that pales in comparison to the damage caused by millions or people suffering long term damage to their health or dying due to a disease.

So, while lockdown is a last resort - it's always going to be on the table if nothing else can work. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a lockdown before the end of the year.
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MightyDuck Posted on 02/08/2020 15:54

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I doubt there will be a national lockdown again. The lockdown was to stop the NHS being overrun. The reason for the Nightingale hospitals was to provide extra beds and protect the NHS during an expected second wave in October.

The government will just keep throwing a few provincial towns under the bus.
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Uncle_Marbles Posted on 02/08/2020 18:22
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"But that pales in comparison to the damage caused by millions or people suffering long term damage to their health or dying due to a disease"

Have you got facts or figures to back that statement up? Are you one of them idiotic full of sh!te scaremongering (need my leg over) scientists, who I would now not ever trust to light even a phecking bunsen burner with any confidence.
However, plenty of facts and figures that show the economies of the world are pretty much screwed. Also, plenty of facts and figures to show, this thing, in the vast main, only effects the elderly and vulnerable...and unfit fatties. This country will not go into full lockdown again. Protect the elderly, vulnerable and the unfit fatties, and then instruct everyone else to get back to work, stay safe...masks if required...personally I think they are going to screw the high street even more, and cost even more jobs AND lives.
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Durktron Posted on 02/08/2020 19:10

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Richb so you're happy with people dying of things that have nothing to do with covid to be put down as covid, do you not think that most of this stinks.
I mean I'm no conspiracy man but even I can see through this shambles.
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Uncle_Marbles Posted on 02/08/2020 19:51

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I went to a meeting in Cambridge last week. I live in Berkshire, so got a train to Paddington. Wore my mask, but I was the only one in the carriage of a normal sardine crammed commuter train into the city. On the platform in the underground, on the H%C line, at rush hour...there was 2 of us (normally rammed to the ceiling - 8 deep), and a probably a dozen on the whole tube to Kings X (normally rammed with workers). The cities streets are empty. WTF is going on. PROTECT THE ELDERLY AND THOSE WITH UNDERLYING HEALTH CONDITIONS AND INSTRUCT EVERYONE ELSE TO GET BACK TO WORK BEFORE MILLIONS OF LIVES ARE DESTROYED BY FAILED ECONOMIES< RIOTS< ANARCHY AND HUNGER>>>AAAAAFGGGGGGGGG
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Abel_Tasman Posted on 02/08/2020 20:49

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ďInstruct everyoneĒ.

Like some kind of Orwellian society.
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Uncle_Marbles Posted on 02/08/2020 20:53

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Currently staying in a hotel for a HS2 business meeting in the midlands in the morning. No phecking kettle, cups, tea, coffee of even glasses in the room. I really dont mind cleaners not been able to come into your room...but the basics...FFS
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Uncle_Marbles Posted on 02/08/2020 20:58

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ďInstruct everyoneĒ.

yes, as opposed to pay them, to sit on their lazy XXXXXXs in the garden sunning themselves, clogging the supermarkets and diy shops, getting p!ssed everyday and doing pheck all towards society...are you one them? and no idea what that society is. I wonder how many on here do, without googling it.
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Uncle_Marbles Posted on 02/08/2020 21:22
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Orwellian
used to describe a political system in which the government tries to control every part of people's lives, similar to that described in the novel "Nineteen Eighty Four", by George Orwell:

Sounds like the CCP or Russian then....or maybey Labours failed attempt

How is instructing people to get back to work, to help and assist the economy back to life, and let them understand there is no other easy optio to and save lives, been controlling. I would say, it is the rightful governing. PR@t
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richb Posted on 02/08/2020 21:22

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"Have you got facts or figures to back that statement up?"

Lung scarring is commonly seen, 1 in 20 people have a chronic caugh 8 weeks after first being diagnosed, 12% of patients discharged from hospital suffer heart faliure, muscular injuries are also regularly seen with those admitted to ICU and there are also mental health issues and cognative impairment being witnessed.

All of this has been communicated by the NHS.

"Also, plenty of facts and figures to show, this thing, in the vast main, only effects the elderly and vulnerable...and unfit fatties."

No, the facts and figures are that it affects those people more commonly. As is the case with any illness. And that younger, fitter people with no pre-existing conditions are more likely to survive. They don't yet know why a significant number of young people still get severe symptoms.

If you play Russian Roulette you are extremely unlikely to fire a bullet into your skull when you pull the trigger but most people wouldn't want to play.

So if you want to play Russian Roulette with your health, that's your choice. But I would hope the government wouldn't take that approach with the entire population.

"Richb so you're happy with people dying of things that have nothing to do with covid to be put down as covid, do you not think that most of this stinks.
I mean I'm no conspiracy man but even I can see through this shambles."

There's no evidence of that. The things people said were being put down as "not covid" were heart attacks and strokes... which can be caused by covid.

In the middle of a pandemic it will be hard to know what deaths are "of covid" or "with covid". But so far there is absolutely no evidence that there are lots of cases being logged incorrectly, just evidence that too many people don't realise that covid attacks more than just the lungs.
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Uncle_Marbles Posted on 02/08/2020 21:31
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richb, I stopped at your "Have.."
I dont read your full posts anymore. However, I do feel sorry for you.
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Mansize_Rooster Posted on 02/08/2020 22:04

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Bit harsh. I read his full post and I agree with him. Too many people not taking this seriously, which is why a second wave is on the horizon.

Thatís all Iím saying

Mansize
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Abel_Tasman Posted on 02/08/2020 22:19

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Marbles. You are losing them fella.

I work full time thank you very much. Oh and leas of the personal abuse.
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Uncle_Marbles Posted on 02/08/2020 23:18

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"Bit harsh. I read his full post and I agree with him. Too many people not taking this seriously, which is why a second wave is on the horizon"

It's a sine wave, no more, no less, Stop bedwetting...and get back to work
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awesome_angel Posted on 02/08/2020 23:19

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Back to football matters, would anyone be able to create a vaccination to prevent the inability of a striker scoring 20 league goals in a season? Been waiting 30 years.
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Magic Posted on 03/08/2020 10:31

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Marbles for Prime Minister[^]
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WeeGord Posted on 03/08/2020 11:59

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Uncle Marbles really showing himself up here [DFS]
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Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 03/08/2020 13:53

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You really cant argue with stupid.
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Magic Posted on 03/08/2020 15:00

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Rather than accusing people of being stupid and showing themselves up can you point out one thing Marbles has said that is wrong please.
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Uncle_Marbles Posted on 03/08/2020 22:05
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The overreaction to this virus, will cause more deaths than the virus itself. How can people be so stupid to not understand that. Coronophopia is destroying our economy.
45,000 deaths, 98% would have died within weeks anyway. Sad, very sad, but why destruct a nation and its youth s future. 66 million people ffs
You want a problem....look no further than type 2 diabetes...2 million people plus with endless problems...some of you are really stupid
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Uncle_Marbles Posted on 03/08/2020 22:30

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"Marbles. You are losing them fella"

Original..Oh ha ha ha ha ha.
Are you the new Monty Python...cutting edge humour
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Barnsy Posted on 03/08/2020 22:38

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'You really cant argue with stupid.'

You've used that before! Tedious now I reckon.
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Uncle_Marbles Posted on 03/08/2020 22:47

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"Tedious now I reckon"

You scared of reality fella.
Or is reality, follow the unions call, for probable more lock downs, and let teachers play in the park every day in the sunshine, no social distancing, but they somehow wont go back to work to teach the kids...PATHETIC
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Uncle_Marbles Posted on 03/08/2020 23:27
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I REPEAT 45,000 deaths, 98% would have died within weeks anyway. AAAAAGHHHHFGGG

WAKE UP. OUR LIVES AND OUR KIDS, AND MY GRAND KIDS LIVES ARE ONLY GOING TO BE WORTH IT, IF PHECKING IDIOTS UNDERSTAND THIS THING IS NOT A DANGEROUS THREAT TO MANKIND, Been sh)t scared of it,WHY? it IS NOT A THREAT, NOT a killer to the young and fit. . Protect the elderly, vulnerable , Type 2 etc, .
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UKLL1981 Posted on 04/08/2020 11:07

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Thatís fine, lock the country down even if it bankrupts the U.K. Just donít moan when taxes, unemployment crime, suicides and mental health crisis all increase. Iím a aircraft engineer, all my training and qualifications are in aircraft engineering and I find out this week if I still have a job but then Iíve heard that every day from my employer for 5 months so itís no wonder Iíve had a breakdown. I donít know how to do anything else and Iím not qualified to do anything else so Iíll be out of work and on the dole for years as will my ex and the mother of my son whoís business gone bust. I suggest moderate tax rises, say 50p in the pound maybe? So we can all sit around. Or maybe tax the pensioners, weíve sacrificed our jobs, our homes and children futures so they can make it to 100 years old, someone has to pick up the tab and itís probably not going to me or the other 10%+ of the population thatís unemployed.
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Zoophonic Posted on 04/08/2020 14:30

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"Or maybe tax the pensioners"

Can you imagine the Daily Torygraph and Daily Mail readers frothing at the mouth over that suggestion!
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Uncle_Marbles Posted on 05/08/2020 23:31
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40% rise in heart attack deaths since lockdown.
The undiagnosed, and therefore possible treatment for the cancers will only be known in years to come.
Alcoholism , mental illness and depression without the correct support, leading to more deaths and misery.
Don't get me started on the kids who have lost so much valuable time in social development. Uni students, lost that experience.
So much more horrific downturns to this phecking lockdown. Protect the elderly, vuberabke etc....and get everybody else back to s normal way of life. IS THAT TOO SENSIBLE?
So many stupid people
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richb Posted on 06/08/2020 12:14

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"40% rise in heart attack deaths since lockdown."

Covid can cause death by heart attacks. It isn't as simple as throwing a random statistic out there and saying "everyone's stupid but me".

It's a lot more complicated than just "let's lock down forever" or "let's sacrifice people's lives for the economy." Nobody on this post has took the first approach but you're constantly screaming that we need to take the second approach. For all of their faults, at least the government recognises that there's a lot more nuance to the required response to this pandemic.
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Senor_Chester Posted on 06/08/2020 13:19

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"I REPEAT 45,000 deaths, 98% would have died within weeks anyway. AAAAAGHHHHFGGG"


I don't see how this would explain excess deaths though? If these people were due to die in weeks, and Covid wasn't about at all, then we would still have had 65,000 excess deaths when they eventually died..?

Logic would be that there is a pandemic about, 65,000 extra people have died, so 1 and 1 surely equals 2 [?]
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