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figjam2018 Posted on 21/07/2020 17:16
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I am all for pay rises where it is just deserved but i do not believe that teachers should receive the government pay rises along with other key workers. The government has said that pay rises are for roles to reflect the enormous effort made by the workers in responding to the pandemic. What massive effort has teachers played in all this when the vast majority havent stepped into a classroom for over 4 months and many schools have been closed for duration. They havent gone above and beyond their job role and have stayed safe and away from the virus from the comfort of their own homes.
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Ian_Tony_Kenrose Posted on 21/07/2020 18:33

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You're a pillock
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figjam2018 Posted on 21/07/2020 18:39

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And why is that? Care to elaborate rather than just throwing an insult without backing it up?
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brattleboro Posted on 21/07/2020 18:43

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thats the mentality of people on this board,if you dont subscribe to there opinion,then you must be a pillock,divvy,doyle etc.....this used to be a very good forum in the day[sad][sad]
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Jostler Posted on 21/07/2020 19:00

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My sister is a teacher and she has been working, shes been doing a week on and a off, catching Covid in the process, due to lack of PPE for them. Id say they have been frontline, making sure other parents on the frontline can still go to work!
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Ian_Tony_Kenrose Posted on 21/07/2020 19:15

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What Jostler said.

If you'd rather criticise teachers and take a very simplistic view on if/why they deserve a payrise rather than actually understand the job they've been doing, then you are indeed a pillock.

Put themselves (and their families) at risk to look after others kids, enabling other keyworkers to keep working, and even those that have worked from home (in my experience with my 2 kids) have done a brilliant job to adapt to teaching remotely and in very difficult circumstances.

Then come September they'll deal with the emotional fallout that will come with the built up mental health challenges many kids will have been exposed to or developed over the last 4 months.

So of course they deserve a payrise, and it's a token one at that.
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figjam2018 Posted on 21/07/2020 19:58

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Ian, you're a Pillock.
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WoodallServices Posted on 21/07/2020 20:20

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Everyone should get a pay rise, end of!
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Support_Your_Local_Team Posted on 21/07/2020 20:31

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The real issue should be that these rises are to come from the already massively under-funded pot for each school.

Teachers either refuse the pay rise (which is much deserved in my opinion) or accept it takes from the schools already strained purse and, as such, leaves even less for much needed resources.

The government haven't given a rise at all, they still pay the schools the same. They'really just putting people in a very tough predicament.
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Ian_Tony_Kenrose Posted on 21/07/2020 20:39

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Figjam - at last something we agree on [8)]

Now give teachers (and nurses who've been overlooked) a lovely payrise [^]
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inter_me_nan Posted on 21/07/2020 20:46

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But social care can get f ucked. As usual[V]
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Tuncay_Sanli Posted on 21/07/2020 22:04

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i have worked everyday during this XXXXXX
and the only appreciation ive had is when ive rescued a truck driver stuck on the a1 whilst trying to deliver to supermarkets for people to be able to buy food
because us breakdown lads arnt on the "list" we didnt get any special treatment like jumping cues etc ive worked 18 hours on one shift and then stood queing for hours to get the essentials
but when it comes to paying the government back for all the money given to furloughed workers and paying for all thewage rises
ill be getting taxed top dollar so XXXXXX the lot of them
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Support_Your_Local_Team Posted on 22/07/2020 19:26

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Tuncay

When the taxes go up then I suspect it'll hot everybody then not just you and the people in your line of work.

I think the reason certain jobs get the praise more is down to having to continually look after groups of people day in day out e.g. nurses, doctors, teachers etc. Remember that many teachers haven't been off much at all and schools haven't closed - they just haven't had as many kids in. I can't comment on you specifically but I can't imagine vehicle rescue people being in at the same level of constant risk.

Anyway, the overall situation is determined by each sectors bosses. The public services we'recommend talking about did everything their bosses (The Government) asked then to do and more. As a result their bosses chose to give them a pay rise.

It just sounds like you're angry and jealous because your boss hasn't done the same for you.
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Tuncay_Sanli Posted on 22/07/2020 19:40

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angry ? yes why should i pay for people who were furloughed
jealous ? maybe
try explaining to a non english speaking driver to stay 2 meters away while you work

and as for being at risk we risk our lives every day
try working on the side of a busy motor way when cars and trucks are whizzing past you a few feet away

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SedgefieldRed Posted on 22/07/2020 20:47

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I suppose you'd have been happy to 'pay' for their jobseekers benefits instead of furlough money then instead? I find it a bit strange how furlough is becoming a dirty word despite that fact that people who are on furlough don't get a choice in the matter and the whole point of it is to prevent unemployment on a scale we'd have likely never seen before, which would have cost even more money in the long run.

Everyone is bit under the cosh at the minute, lots of people have gone above and beyond and don't get plaudits for it, good on those getting a pay rise as they have probably earned it. It would be nice if we didn't have to engage in a 'race to the bottom' discussion every time public sector workers get a bump.

Keep calm, stay safe, the Boro are staying up [^]
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Support_Your_Local_Team Posted on 22/07/2020 21:45

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No point trying to reason or educate him Sedgeield.

From his language and posts so far he's clearly enraged and entrenched in his point of view. That's fine and it's his choice.

He's clearly far more knowledgeable on how to fix our vehicles so best leave him to get on with it. Hopefully his bosses will deem him wrthy of a pay rise at some point [ref]
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Tuncay_Sanli Posted on 22/07/2020 23:01

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Hes clearly far more knowledgeable on how to fix our vehicles etc
Whats your point There then ??
And I dont need a pay rise I just dont see why I should have to cough up for people getting furloughed due to a type of flu that kills less people a year than thrush
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Boro_Gypo Posted on 23/07/2020 10:50

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The furlough scheme has been brilliant and has saved millions of people from hardship.

I guess some people are getting slightly frustrated at the lack of willingness of some people to come back of furlough. The risk is minimal now. We all know what we should be doing to keep ourselves and others safe. We have a lot more testing in place. There is no reason why 99% of people can't be back at work with some additional controls in place.
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 23/07/2020 20:45

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WHAAAAAAAAAAAT!

Teachers do a fantastic job, especially in the state schools.

'I guess some people are getting slightly frustrated at the lack of willingness of some people to come back of furlough'

Very valid point.

Hugs, Fugs and Floating Air Biscuits xx
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johnnyweetabix Posted on 24/07/2020 09:33

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It is interesting how its difficult to challenge the preconception that all teachers have worked really hard throughout this and like doctors etc have gone above and beyond. My borther and sister in law are both teachers at different schools, one head of department. In the c 4 months since lockdown, one has been in for a total of 6 hours and the other not at all. They think its hilarious to wind me up sending about "what a tough life its been etc" as Ive worked flat out throughout. No doubt soe teachers have had to work but my personal experience of the only two I know is that they have done bot all and have loved it.
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Support_Your_Local_Team Posted on 24/07/2020 19:57

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I know numerous teachers. The primary ones have been in loads as the government have allowed the kids to go back.

However, the government haven't allowed the secondary students back. Only allowing 25% of year 10 on any given day (that's a maximum of 5% of a schools roll allowed in on any given day).

Some teachers won't have been in as much as others but only because the government haven't allowed the students to go in.
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T1ffy Posted on 29/07/2020 19:34

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It's a well deserved payrise, one that is years overdue too.
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