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steamtrain Posted on 23/02/2020 08:26
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The Despot will act when he see's season ticket sale's drop through the floor ,he always does . Unless he has lost total interest and is too busy building his new manor .The Despot takes all the blame for me ,asleep at the wheel for a decade.Sad times indeed ,and back to where it all started .


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Indeedido Posted on 23/02/2020 09:47

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Stupid Steve will point at everybody else.
He's the saviour of the club don't you know.
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Duffman Posted on 23/02/2020 10:45

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Gibson was and is the saviour of the club. We need to be careful in biting the hand that feeds. The biggest criticism of Gibson has always been he is too loyal to managers, particularly those he feels are friends. He will act because he knows he has to and he must reflect on a decision that he got badly wrong but we need to be more measured in demonising him as if he walked away tomorrow we will disappear as a club pretty quickly.
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BoroGold2 Posted on 23/02/2020 10:54

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Spot on Duffman ! no Gibbo, in no time, no Club, simple as that.
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hopesoboro Posted on 23/02/2020 10:59

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If only we could have had that total fcukwit,Mr Success,better known as Indeedido,as our chairman![xx(]
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BoroGold2 Posted on 23/02/2020 11:06

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Hopesoboro,

"Stupid Steve" says it all doesn't it ?
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 23/02/2020 11:13

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A few bad results and itís not surprising the great social media mob come out with their picks and axes for the chairman. Depressingly predictable.

A few weeks ago Woodgate was getting manager of the month and it was all super stevie then. Now itís despot Steve. Get out of my club Steve (even though he props it up), eff off Steve.

Fickle beyond belief. I know. Youíll all say youíve had this belief for a long time but itís amazing how quiet you were over Christmas.



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10hickton Posted on 23/02/2020 11:47

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Show some respect you idiots.
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Indeedido Posted on 23/02/2020 14:50

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Who to exactly?

Gibson gets far far too much respect.
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Nosmo-King Posted on 23/02/2020 15:46

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Respect for what? Gibbo has been living on long time ago reputation and delivery of a decent football club. Nowadays? Frankly a disaster- in virtually every aspect. Financial mismanagement, poor selection of managers, surrounding himself with yes men, poor/ non existent communication with the fan base, imposing some of the most expensive walk up prices, transfer dealings- the charge sheet is long and represents a horrendous way the club is and has been run.

Respect him if that is your want. I see a club bumbling along without a visible strategy and clueless in being able to arrest our slide into more misery and mediocrity.

Respect for this ? You are having a laugh.
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Barnsy Posted on 23/02/2020 22:41

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Strange comments from someone who hasn't darkened the doors of the Riverside all season.

Stroll on!
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dooderooni Posted on 23/02/2020 23:27

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Putting aside the name calling, do those like hopeso and Barnsy not realise just how serious a potential relegation is?

If Gibson (or O'Neil) is indeed injecting £1m a month, how much will he need to put in if we are playing in League One with an even bigger reduction in revenue?

The ticket prices have been set already so do you honestly think that floating fans or those unable to justify getting a season ticket will pay the rediculous walk-up prices, especially if we aren't at the top of the league and playing well?

I think it's about time some of you faced the reality of what relegation could mean to a club that isn't making money as it is. What it'll mean to a club with a burgeoning wage bill. What it'll mean in relation to being able to hang onto the few decent young lads we do have.

Or you can continue to avoid any form of intelligent discussion and try and shout down anyone who raises awkward truths.
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 23/02/2020 23:43

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Iíve said on here before the club will go under if we are relegated to league one. It simply wonít have the revenue to survive on the likely gates weíd get there. It costs £5m a year just to run the Riverside and that before wages and other running costs



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glover_elbow Posted on 23/02/2020 23:52

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Surely gibson cant be injecting 1m a month now or in league 1 and the club remain inside the FFP regulations
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dooderooni Posted on 24/02/2020 00:03

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I don't know if he is or isn't to be honest, but his most loyal defenders always mention it. It's used like the Sword Of Damocleas to signify that without Gibson we'd be knackered and we shouldn't question anything he does.
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Indeedido Posted on 24/02/2020 03:27

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He isn't actually putting anything into the club!
Gibson O'Neill underwrite the losses the Club make, with Undertakings (an internal loan)
The worse the club does, the lower the status, the bigger the losses, the bigger the increase in loans required to keep it as a going concern.
The Club has a massive negative net value as it is. Gibson can't sell it but if he allows it to go under he loses the halo... and any chance of getting anything for the club.
Sadly we are stuck with each other.
Which means we are stuck with his stupid, pig headed dictatorship.
Let's see new accounts for last season to see whether he's actually injected anything in. He last did in 2016.
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 24/02/2020 05:43

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Your intense dislike for the man is colouring your judgement. You are taking to wild surmises and mud throwing in the hope that it will stick.

As a wholly owned subsidiary of the Gibson OíNeill empire the reason the club survives and banks donít foreclose is because of the strength of Gibsonís company. Think about that because without it we would be in Administration and definitely in tier 3.
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ZippytheHippy Posted on 24/02/2020 08:27
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whilst I've not been to as many games as normal this season, those I have been too (7) have been not great.

that said I have supported the boro since around 1966 and have witnessed much much worse.

Gibson has gotten things wrong in my opinion, the Smurf being one of them, but over all full respect to the man.

Mfc is a small part of his business and is a substantial loss maker for him. he foots the bill time and time again show some respect.

he gets a resounding 👍👏🤘 from me.
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Indeedido Posted on 24/02/2020 08:31

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I seriously need no lesson in finance from you Cardiffís.
I totally get the situation.
We are stuck with each other.
He canít walk away, he canít sell, the club canít operate without his Group undertakings.
But it is his stupidity that sees the club where it is. His appointments, his decisions, his financial disaster.
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hopesoboro Posted on 24/02/2020 08:40

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So what would you have done to guarantee success Mr Fcukwit?
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ZippytheHippy Posted on 24/02/2020 08:46

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like most fcukwits move south and pretend to be a) a manc or b) a scally holding option c) "we won the world cup" in reserve.
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 24/02/2020 08:46

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Understandable waspish reaction. Iím giving it to you anyway.
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Indeedido Posted on 24/02/2020 10:25

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And adding no value whatsoever in doing so cardiff.

Gibson has made an absolute balls of the club since 2006 and especially since 2016. Most can see it.
Its questionable you will, even if he takes the club down and back to where he started (without major debt and with a world of opportunity)

I live in North Yorkshire zippy - happily.
But I do know some good Mancs, one ore two Scousers and loads of decent XXXXXXneys. There's good folk everywhere.
That's the point, you don't have to come from "the town" to be any good, nor does coming from it mean you are automatically any good.


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hopesoboro Posted on 24/02/2020 11:02

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"It was very clear that he does love Leeds all the same."
So how does that load of old bollox fit in with your 'philosophy', Mr Fcukwit?
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dooderooni Posted on 24/02/2020 11:06

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Come on hopeso, I know you can read so how about an adult answer to my post rather than getting into a slanging match?

Does the reality and the potential consequences of relegation register?
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borobuddah Posted on 24/02/2020 12:38

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Gibbo would be far harder to replace than woodhead
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Indeedido Posted on 24/02/2020 12:43

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Agreed far harder to replace for obvious reasons.
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dooderooni Posted on 24/02/2020 13:14

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I'm going to limit my football posts to the new board by and large now as it's pointless posting on here if you can't generate some sensible responses.
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Indeedido Posted on 24/02/2020 14:34

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Cheers Dood [|)] - I'd much rather a good poster like you stays on this site.
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Abel_Tasman Posted on 24/02/2020 16:07
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Iím sure owners have grown thick skin. They need to as they are shot at by fans at every opportunity when things go wrong. When results go badly they are never immune to criticism and why should they be you ask.

Newcastle despite remaining in the Premier League have a very dislikeable chairman in Ashley and there are regular demos against him.

Sunderland have had a string of owners that have failed

Leeds likewise have had some stinkers. Ridsdale, Celino, Bates, Noorruddin.

Thatís just local clubs. Further afield we have seen Gold Sullivan and Brady vilified. There are many others.

Would I swap any of the above with Gibson. Not on your life. I would happily see SG sell the club to somebody who could guarantee he would invest in the clubs future but I am not sure whether he would find a willing buyer and even if he did whether they would be an better than any of those listed above.

I am not saying everything is rosy under Gibson because clearly it isnít. But I find no basis for hating the man for what he has tried to do with a football club with declining support where our local competition has over the past 15 years struggled to also compete.

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dooderooni Posted on 24/02/2020 16:33

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Apply for the new site Indeedido. If you use the same email address as you have on here then you'll be approved soon enough.

Too many one sided discussions on here now as some simply ignore anything that might require them to post a considered opinion. Col has signed up and he seems to be well into engaging in good discussions again.
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steamtrain Posted on 24/02/2020 16:49

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Your post is relevant ,who would take over , but my opening post was to point out that over the last decade he is guilty of the following ,not engaging with the fans , the closed shop attitude in regards to important events such as the departure of certain people, eg Bevington . The business model on season tickets and to hell with any walk up fans ,and some of the highest prices outside of the premier , and the exit of proven individuals such as the recent exit of the ticket manager. Add to that the banning of the Gazette , who are now lap dogs at his feet , not to mention his outrageous comments against the people of Stockton being all Mackems ( and no apology ). His silence is deafening . We are grateful for what he has done but it does not mean he is without criticism , plus look at the mess ![|)]
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 24/02/2020 17:20
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I canít argue with those points. All valid criticisms and well put. Iím sure supporters of many clubs can equally list such weaknesses in their owners. Nature of the beast is that they are only accountable at the turnstile and given the fact in the past that hasnít been the major source of income for years it may start to hit a chord if we get relegated to Div 1.

Still could be worse. We could have an owner like Derbyís
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boroskel65 Posted on 24/02/2020 21:54
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ďIt costs £5m a year just to run the RiversideĒ

We might have to close the Riverside and share the Vic with Hartlepool, or the Reynolds Arena with Mowden Park!

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Indeedido Posted on 25/02/2020 02:36

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It does make me smile when Ashley is mentioned.
Newcastle are a PL fixture. When they have gone down they have roared back to promotion straight away.
Theyve spent an absolute fortune chasing players and given 10k half season tickets away.
They are a financially sound, saleable club.
Compare and contrast.

They've wasted a lot of money it seems on poor signings recently and I'm not saying I have Ashley on a pedestal but Mr Middlesbrough makes him look a stunning success.


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br14 Posted on 25/02/2020 03:24

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If Steve Gibson is guilty of anything it is that he has let his heart rule his head when it comes to spending on the club.

He now finds himself subject to FFP rules designed to protect the Real Madrids of this world, that limit his ability to invest.

My impression is that we were beginning to do well until the transfer window. Something about how that was handled has evidently buggered up the dressing room.
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Indeedido Posted on 25/02/2020 07:58

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I donít agree br14.
He certainly didnít have a go or back AK in May 2016; the start of the demise.
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steamtrain Posted on 26/02/2020 22:15

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Gibson was told not to appoint Southgate and he gave him a 5 year contract , same with Woodgate and he gave him a 3 year contract ,plus whats he given Keane ? No fool like a old fool .
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