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TheBoy007 Posted on 12/02/2020 12:56
Corbyn giving Johnson a good kicking
 
He ripped into BJ on prime minister's questions today. This is the way Corbyn should performed all the way through his leadership. On the attack, fight fire with fire. He tried a new way, it didn't work, I just hope Starmer learns from Corbyn's mistakes.
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BlindBoyGrunt1 Posted on 12/02/2020 12:57

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Or RLB.
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Lefty Posted on 12/02/2020 13:27

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Is it true that he asked Johnson if he would deport himself?
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TheBoy007 Posted on 12/02/2020 13:29

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Yep.

Johnson was he usual self. Bumble and bluster.
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Nosmo-King Posted on 12/02/2020 13:36

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The problem is Johnson gave Jezza a good kicking in what mattered the most. Labour need to learn, change and be a party a lot more voters resonate with.
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UncleBob Posted on 12/02/2020 14:06

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straw clutch - surprised BJ didn't resign on the spot.

Never mind long Bailey will be along soon to sort it all out
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TheBoy007 Posted on 12/02/2020 14:39

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Labour need to learn to fight dirty like the Tories.

The old saying of 'woman love a b@st@rd' has morphed into 'people love a b@st@rd'.

Jezza was too nice at the end of the day.
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Cooper6711 Posted on 12/02/2020 14:39

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It was a terrible show.

His example

A white person who has never been sent to prison for drug offences vs a black person who has been convicted of drug offences.

See the slight difference. Maybe someone should explain the difference between the two to him.
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1finny Posted on 12/02/2020 14:41

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like
A white person who admits in public taking class a drugs but faces no charges
v
A black person convicted of drug offences
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Nosmo-King Posted on 12/02/2020 14:46

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People disliked Corbyn, didnít trust him - too nice??!! He won the election for the Tories.
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TheBoy007 Posted on 12/02/2020 14:51

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People were told not to trust him. World of difference.

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Cooper6711 Posted on 12/02/2020 15:00

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A white person who admits in public taking class a drugs but faces no charges
v
A black person convicted of drug offences

Anyone saying in public they had taken class A drugs in the past would not face any charge black or white. That's just a fact

If I walk up to a police officer and say "Now PC I have taken a class a drug before" you reckon they will take me down the cop shop [:D]

The black person convicted and jailed will not have admitted to previous class a drug use and be jailed for that. More that he was convicted of dealing it hence the prison sentence

If you can't establish the difference between historic class a use vs present class a dealing then your as much away with the fairies as Corbyn
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Nosmo-King Posted on 12/02/2020 15:12

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Boy, that comment is plain stupid. So if you were told to jump offRoseberry Topping youíd do it? Of course not!
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TheBoy007 Posted on 12/02/2020 15:45

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They were convinced by a concerted media campaign against him. No way the right wing media of this country would allow someone like Corbyn in power.

Floating voters can be easily swayed. That's who the right wing rags targeted.
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ThePenguin Posted on 12/02/2020 15:54

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"That's who the right wing rags targeted."

All 2.5 million?
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Nosmo-King Posted on 12/02/2020 16:06

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Keep believing that tripe if itís your want. Even Labour Party members cited Corbyn as to the reason Labour took a pounding!
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1finny Posted on 12/02/2020 16:44

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ĎAway with the Fairiesí
Also apt description for someone who believes white and black drug users/dealers are treated the same.
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Cooper6711 Posted on 12/02/2020 17:05

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You (or Corbyn) are comparing a white historical user to a drug dealer though which is completely different.

That is why nothing happened to one and the other got locked up. 2 completely different situations
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asredastheycome Posted on 12/02/2020 17:32

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You talking Michael Gove there Cooper.
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Boromart Posted on 12/02/2020 17:37

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The point of Corbyn's comments was to highlight the complete hypocrisy of Alexander Johnson's morals. How can a man who is openly admitting of being a foreign national and breaking the law advocate sending foreign nationals who break the law home?!

It's a pretty compelling argument regardless of your political persuasion and one that for me brings up that age old question of privilege (rather than race), the fact is rich people don't tend to get the same treatment as poor people in society.
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ThePenguin Posted on 12/02/2020 17:52

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Because the law dictates that is so.
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Cooper6711 Posted on 12/02/2020 18:00

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He admitted to using class A drugs years after. Which whether you are rich or poor would not lead to any form of police action so that privilege point is mute.

If Corbyns mate had been using class a drugs I suspect he would not have been banged up solely for using. He will have been a dealer.

Now if you think someone is a hypocrite for wanting to send home criminals who have been caught drug dealing when said person has never been a drug dealer then that's upto you. What if Johnson had been caught speeding or driving without insurance. Would he then be a hypocrite for wanting to sending convicted drug dealers home?
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ZippytheHippy Posted on 12/02/2020 18:07

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not sure what program the op was watching? from what I observed Corby made a right t1t of himself as indicated by the astonished silence from the Labour benches and the amazed incredulous response from the tv panel.

can we no longer deport convicted criminals unless they are white, middle-class & male? as for the extradition treaty with the USA that was negotiated by........
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LeeTublin Posted on 12/02/2020 18:35

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I thought corbyn showed today exactly why he never got voted in: Dangerous individual.
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borobuddah Posted on 12/02/2020 19:10

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Finny👍

Who gets policed eh?

Mostly the poor
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Foggysfplandiet3 Posted on 12/02/2020 19:27
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The Boy: Stop patronising the voters of this country with your comments about how easily swayed they are.

Boris is an absurd clown and I certainly did not vote for him or his mates, but the tories didnít need the help of the Tory media to get across to the electorate that Corbyn was a poor leader lacking leadership and that the likes of Abbot and others were also complete liabilities. Corbyn and the Labour Party did that all by themselves. And if they choose the wrong leader this time they can look forward to another ten years in the wilderness and playing second fiddle to the SNP.

We need a strong opposition now; I hope Labour and the LibDems get their new leadership right this time.

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SmashTheLeague Posted on 12/02/2020 19:47

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Corbyn won the Tories the election no question of a doubt. His past comments and views showed how dangerous he would be as PM such as saying terrorists shouldnít have to serve a full prison service etc. Also his comments about the SAS swayed it for me. The SAS may not be angels but thatís what makes them elite and one of the best in the world at what they do as they fight evil with a necessary evil. Thereís a lot that we can mock in this country but never our armed forces.
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Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 12/02/2020 19:55

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Brexit was the main reason why the election went the way it did - Corbyn's persona contributed, but it wasn't the decisive reason.
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HolgateCorner Posted on 12/02/2020 20:12

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Brexit was the dominant factor but Corbyn changed policy on it from 2017 and that will have cost him, you win some, you lose some, we have yet to see what Johnsonís Brexit will actually look like.

I agree with Boy007 though, Corbynís approach was too Ďdecentí for the UK electorate, the new Labour leader needs to get stuck into the Tories with relentless attacks from taking up the post right up to the day before the next election.

Even if miracles happen and Johnson is quite successful Labour need to make the public think he is the worst Tory PM ever to have been in Downing Street. Fight them at their own game.
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Nosmo-King Posted on 12/02/2020 20:30

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Decent? His manifesto if implemented, would have bankrupt the country. Very decent, indeed!
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TheBoy007 Posted on 12/02/2020 20:31

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"The Boy: Stop patronising the voters of this country with your comments about how easily swayed they are."

I'm not saying all voters. Most voters have a party or a wing and don't deviate much. It's the floating voters that the press can hugely influence. The people who don't understand or have little interest in politics. I work with quite a few of them. Most don't even know the difference between left and right wing.

I'm not having a dig at them. Some have so much going on in their lives they don't have time for politics.

The drip drip of the Tory press headlines massively influences the way they vote. They only see the headlines, not the retractions hidden away at the back somewhere.

If it didn't work the press wouldn't commit so many resources to it. Just like advertising. Even though we think it doesn't influence us, it obviously does or they wouldn't spend billions doing it.
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TheBoy007 Posted on 12/02/2020 20:32

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"Decent? His manifesto if implemented, would have bankrupt the country"

And the right wing press don't influence people?[:o)]
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HolgateCorner Posted on 12/02/2020 20:39

Corbyn giving Johnson a good kicking
The media do drip drip against Labour, the EU and everything else their billionaire owners see as a potential threat.

Which is exactly why Labour need to fight fire with fire and constantly use every available platform to savagely run down Johnson, Tory policies and the Tory record over the last ten years and counting. It shouldnít be difficult, there is loads to go at. Make it dirty, very dirty.
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Nosmo-King Posted on 12/02/2020 22:00

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Boy, did you add up the cost of all the inducements? You didnít need a maths degree to work out the figures would never add up. However you appear to be one that will swallow any old crap Labour throw out.
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TheBoy007 Posted on 12/02/2020 22:13

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Nosmo just because The Mail said it would bankrupt the country doesn't mean it would.

Do you actually believe the country would go bankrupt if Corbyn's policies were implemented?

If the rich paid their fair share of tax, you could implement Corbyns policies and then some.
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HolgateCorner Posted on 12/02/2020 22:23

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Same old, same old, the Tories run the country into the ground cutting tax for the rich and letting highly profitable businesses off lightly whilst sending our national debt into overdrive over 10 years.

And then have the audacity to say Labour would bankrupt the country.

Same old Tories full of shxte.
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jcjc Posted on 12/02/2020 22:25

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in your dreams
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Nosmo-King Posted on 12/02/2020 22:25

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Donít read or need the Mail, another wrong assumption. Far more credible economists costed out the plans. And the billionaire myth? Did you see how much Ashley paid in tax? As said you swallow the crap over Labourís ď costed ď Manifesto if it suits.
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HolgateCorner Posted on 12/02/2020 22:41

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The Tories won the election under the system albeit 55% did not vote for them so it is their record and their performance which we will be putting under scrutiny.

Johnson has suddenly found a magic money tree and is spending money which we have been told for 10 years did not exist.

Heís talking about taxing pensions and bringing in a mansion tax (acknowledged that is not likely to affect the impoverished north).

Heís presented the continuation of HS2 as if hes just thought of it last week.

And although heís got Brexit done, he hasnít really has he until we know the shape of the deal.

Itís not started well has it?
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TheBoy007 Posted on 12/02/2020 22:47
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I didn't say you did read The Mail, another wrong assumption.

Did these said economists say Corbyn's plans would "bankrupt" the country?

Again do you actually believe the country would go bankrupt under his plans?

Did you see how much Google, Amazon ect paid in tax? Did you see that Phillip Green (of the Tory party) put £1 billion in his wife's name to avoid paying tax?

So you don't believe that rich people/big business avoid/evade tax? Jeez, naive.
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BandH Posted on 13/02/2020 00:00

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Corbyn really didn't and in fact never has.

He is also almost an irrelevance.
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ZippytheHippy Posted on 13/02/2020 07:29

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TheBoy007

everyonev avoids tax if they can. have you never paid "cash" to avoid vat or smuggled a nice new watch thru customs?
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ChrisFinch Posted on 13/02/2020 07:36

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Just a shame it took Corbyn all this time to lay a glove on him. Such a pathetic leader of the opposition in a time we so desperately needed a good one or even just a competent one.
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jam69 Posted on 13/02/2020 08:16

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the thread just confirms how gullible many are, tge right wing media really do have people on a string.
dont vote for whats best for you, vote for whats best for our interests.
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TheBoy007 Posted on 13/02/2020 08:21
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Zippy, so big business avoiding billions in tax is ok because Jeff the plumber does a few cash jobs on the weekend?
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ChrisFinch Posted on 13/02/2020 08:25

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"the thread just confirms how gullible many are, tge right wing media really do have people on a string."

Oh bore off, he was completely inept and failed a generation of young people.
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TheBoy007 Posted on 13/02/2020 08:30

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In what way did he fail them?

I suppose you could say he raised their hopes that change might actually happen, only to be out voted by Tory rag reding pensioners.
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boroskel65 Posted on 13/02/2020 09:43
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The Tories hardly needed the press to finish off Corbyn when they had the PLP stabbing him in the back on a weekly basis, or in the case of right-on Jess Phillips stabbing him in the front.
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jam69 Posted on 13/02/2020 09:59

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Esther mcvey sacked, who says theres no good news these days.
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mikeyyyy Posted on 13/02/2020 10:16

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"everyone avoids tax if they can. have you never paid "cash" to avoid vat or smuggled a nice new watch thru customs?"

All the average schmucks on PAYE don't.
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Bergeracois Posted on 13/02/2020 10:27

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"the thread just confirms how gullible many are, the right wing media really do have people on a string."

FFS the only gullible ones here are the Corbyn fanny boys who refuse to see that the guy is a fcking liability - file with Abbott, RLB etc. I hope for gods sake that Starmer wins the leadership election or we're well and truly knackered
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 13/02/2020 10:40

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Theory confirmed.
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go_nads Posted on 13/02/2020 10:56

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JC has some very good qualities, he had some excellent progressive policies that would have benefitted many.

Where he failed was the dithering on Brexit, he totally misunderstood the countries feeling. He has failed to keep members of his own party in check. He has allowed the right wing press to go after himself and members of the party and has failed to address that.

Most importantly he tried to be to honest and run a fair campaign. Politics at the moment is a gutter business. He hasn't engaged with the people he needed to, he didn't fight the Tory spin machine on their level.

He has looked like an amateur far too often. The election campaign was an ABC of how not to run one, outflanked by the Tories and their paymasters on just about every level.

As a country we will regret having an unelectable (for many) opposition.

We also have the fact that too many people, who are just about surviving, are too scared to trust that things can get better and voted with the status quo knowing what they would get - a struggle but not oblivion.
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ChrisFinch Posted on 13/02/2020 11:44

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"In what way did he fail them?"

He was completely pathetic on Brexit right from the very start for a kick off.
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free_pint Posted on 13/02/2020 11:54

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'Just a shame it took Corbyn all this time to lay a glove on him. Such a pathetic leader of the opposition in a time we so desperately needed a good one or even just a competent one.'

Most wins as an opposition leader, ever. So actually the best opposition leader ever. If you want to pretend you haven't been influenced by the press, then you wouldn't quote pointless stuff like that.
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ZippytheHippy Posted on 13/02/2020 13:00

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TheBoy007


never mentioned who is worse. i responded to your post. tax evasion is tax evasion makes no difference the amount. you cannot postulate about big business or rich people evading tax and then do the same yourself. there's a word for that.
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ChrisFinch Posted on 13/02/2020 13:39

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"Most wins as an opposition leader, ever. So actually the best opposition leader ever. If you want to pretend you haven't been influenced by the press, then you wouldn't quote pointless stuff like that."

Absolutely staggering. I can't make my mind up whether this comment is stupidity or cultism.
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Cooper6711 Posted on 13/02/2020 13:57

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Iím not sure either. It canít be difficult to win a vote against a minority government though. Saying this is some form of success is ridiculous. The votes he won made him look more stupid and cost him votes. I.e voting down a general election. Only opposition leader in history to turn one down
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Trug Posted on 13/02/2020 14:52

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Actually fee pint is right. Corbyn defeated the the government on many occasions, most notably persuading to government to reduce the waiting time on UC from 8 weeks to 5 weeks.
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TheBoy007 Posted on 13/02/2020 15:34
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Zippy
I don't avoid tax. I'm on paye like most of us plebs.

I didn't say you said whos worse. I asked you if Jeff the plumber avoiding a couple of quid on his weekend jobs, makes it ok for big companies and billionaires to swerve paying millions? That's what you seemed to be insinuating.
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Cooper6711 Posted on 13/02/2020 15:44

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8 weeks? When did he manage this
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free_pint Posted on 13/02/2020 15:58

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'Absolutely staggering. I can't make my mind up whether this comment is stupidity or cultism.'

'Iím not sure either. It canít be difficult to win a vote against a minority government though.'

And who was the reason for there being a minority govt?

He held govt to account more than any previous opposition leader, that is indisputable. You can say you don't like him, that the electorate didn't vote for him in the end, but to say he wasn't successful in opposition is wrong and is repeating the lines of the right wing commentary in this country.
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Muscle_Museum Posted on 13/02/2020 16:03

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Why do they insist on making this a race issue? It just makes them look idiots and reinforces the idea that they are obsessed with race and identity.

The smallest amount of research will show you thousands of white criminals deported last year, but because there's now 50 black criminals being deported it must be racist? XXXXXXic.

It also invites the questions of why no such uproar was made about the thousands Polish or Romanian people that were sent home.

They clearly oppose the policy, but would rather focus on race, which says a lot about how much the party are learning.
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ChrisFinch Posted on 13/02/2020 16:17

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"And who was the reason for there being a minority govt?"

Oh don't worry, I fully agree that Corbyn was the reason a woeful government managed to form a minority government in what would have been an open goal of an election under any other leader.
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ZippytheHippy Posted on 13/02/2020 16:30

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TheBoy007

I was not insinuating anything.

doing a "forgiener" to avoid vat means everyone looses, not just the vat but NI & income tax. for me the level is irrelevant you are still short changing those who follow the rules. anyone of our sparkies caught doing jobs on the side is shown the door.

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