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JLinardi Posted on 24/01/2020 13:27
This Chinese virus a bit worrying?
 
I donít think they are letting on how bad it actually is over there, spent a couple hours last night reading Twitter and watching videos from China in streets and hospitals. The hospitals are brimming with people, thereís a video where there are at least 3 dead people in a corridor on stretchers covered up, next to people sat waiting to see a doctor.

Other videos have people passed out in the street with people in hazmat suits stretchering them away, about 11 cityís quarantined now. Have also seen screenshots of Chinese messaging apps with Wuhan residents talking about early victims of corona have passed away in their homes and how the official figures canít be right.

Never been worried about these outbreaks before but this one seems different.
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borobuddah Posted on 24/01/2020 13:35

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Itís a sinister business
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bear66 Posted on 24/01/2020 13:38

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These things are dependent on infection rates and fatality rates and person affected.

Spanish flu (H1N1) had about a 10% fatality rate that affected mainly young adults.

SARs about 11% fatalities but much fewer infections and mainly older people dying.

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JLinardi Posted on 24/01/2020 13:55

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Thatís the thing tho this virus can have an incubation rate of up to 2 weeks, the virus has been passing around since before Xmas, they donít even know how many people have it.
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Steer Posted on 24/01/2020 13:59

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26 dead in a country of 1.4 billion people. That stat does not tie in with reports of piles of bodies in hospital corridors. Unless there is some kind of cover up of course?
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masqueSmog Posted on 24/01/2020 14:02

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JL - my son lives in Wuhan. Believe me they are taking it very seriously. I wouldn't defend the Chinese media (the main national news programme led last night with Xi attending a CNY banquet!) but closing down 3 cities with combined populations of 20M is pretty drastic. Whether or not it is enough, or too late, let's see.

What is more worrying is that flights were arriving at Heathrow from Wuhan up until yesterday with NO active screening from the UK authorities.
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Abel_Tasman Posted on 24/01/2020 14:08

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Donít read the tabloids is my policy. Daily Express and Daily Mail putting the heebee geebees up their pensioner readership.

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The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 24/01/2020 14:12

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Mrs Jumpers was due to be in Shanghai next week on business.

Safe to say she's no longer going.
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Steer Posted on 24/01/2020 14:14

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More people have died in China due to heart disease in this period. Don't lose perspective.
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masqueSmog Posted on 24/01/2020 14:14

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AT- how true. Since becoming a pensioner, I only read Shoot. Can still carry worrying news, but rarely life threatening.

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JLinardi Posted on 24/01/2020 15:28

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I donít doubt theyíre taking it seriously I just donít believe the figures, Plus China is surrounded by the most densely packed countries on the planet and not all have the best hygiene.
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Muttley Posted on 24/01/2020 15:30

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Wonder what they did with all that Tamiflu they bought?

Not worried yet and if it comes here outside of a few contained cases then I might start to worry.

Good time to invest in those "surgical mask" thingies, probably?
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masqueSmog Posted on 24/01/2020 16:38

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I guess my reference to "seriously" was to indicate that they probably are acknowledging how bad it is. If you close down a city of 10M (for example) doesn't this say "we think this is pretty bad?".

On your hours reading stuff you must have come across the weibo/wechat boards with young Chinese being a bit more relaxed about what is going?

I am sure 26 isn't the actual death toll; nor are some of the more lurid social media speculations.







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dooderooni Posted on 24/01/2020 17:32

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Watch the Channel 4 series Utopia and scare the bejeezus out of yourselves [:D]
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uncle_rico Posted on 24/01/2020 17:43

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Obviously you have to take some of the things you see and read with a pinch of salt, but I've seen some things suggesting they are preparing mass graves, and people are collapsing in the street and almost instantly they're being carted off by men in white suits.

One was that they're building a new hospital with a completion target of 6 days!!! so they can empty and disinfect all of the other hospitals. Must be a temporary thing, but still.

There's also footage of hazmat tents in hospital car parks because the hospitals are so full.

What's worrying is that it can be so easily spread with so much international travel.
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expat_smoggie Posted on 24/01/2020 18:32

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Anyone remember SARs? It was the same sort of scenarioó disease has to be contained before we see a downward turn in the number of people breaking out.
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hopesoboro Posted on 24/01/2020 18:44

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JLinardi needs to get his UFOs on the job![:D]
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American_Mary Posted on 24/01/2020 18:46

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Anyone else not think it strange that after the reversing of the single child policy in China it has been the epicentre of at least 4 major epidemics, swine flu, bird flu, SARS and now coronavirus or am I just a cynic ?
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masqueSmog Posted on 24/01/2020 19:10

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AM - which SARS? wasn't the biggest outbreak ( and the one they really messed up) in 2002; one child was relaxed in 2013.
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borobuddah Posted on 24/01/2020 19:11

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Not sure what you are getting at AM?
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br14 Posted on 24/01/2020 20:02

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As implied above, this new virus has a death rate equivalent to that of the Spanish Flu epidemic in 1918 that killed 50 million people. More than died than were killed during the conflict in WW1.

Then again, we didn't know as much about transmission vectors in those days. I suppose it depends on how long the virus can live, how easily transmitted etc.

The only comment I heard on transmission was that infection was generally limited to family members and medical staff at this point. Which suggests you have to get fairly close to be infected. But they also said the incubation period could be up to 14 days which means you could carry the infection for quite a while before realising.
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Small_town Posted on 24/01/2020 20:16

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As a slight aside: SARS is a deliberate tautology (pleonasm?). Medically the s "severe" and the a "acute" mean pretty much the same thing. Only you couldn't call it SRS and no one wanted to call it ARS
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JLinardi Posted on 24/01/2020 23:53

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BR14 it spreads pretty much the same as a cold/flu virus, you can have the virus and be contagious for up to 14 days without even knowing, or at worst have slight cold/flu symptoms.

If you want to get conspiracy related then there just happens to be a top level bio facility, in wuhan, 8 miles from that food market.
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BoroJake Posted on 24/01/2020 23:59

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41 dead and in excess of 1000 cases now. 3 confirmed in France
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JLinardi Posted on 25/01/2020 00:08

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"On your hours reading stuff you must have come across the weibo/wechat boards with young Chinese being a bit more relaxed about what is going?"

Yes I did come across those, but I also came across a video of a queue of hazmat wearing paramedics in a crowded corridor each with a stretcher and a sick person getting told to go back by a nurse.

I came across the video of a doctor on the phone shouting and on the verge of tears that the hospital cant cope and why they wernt getting any more doctors.

I have seen other wechat conversations but Im not sure I believe them cos I only have 3rd party translations to rely on.
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Liamo Posted on 25/01/2020 04:02
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''What is more worrying is that flights were arriving at Heathrow from Wuhan up until yesterday with NO active screening from the UK authorities.''

That's probably because the studies done into the spread of the SARS virus show that airport screening is not an effective method of containing the disease. With such a long incubation period (up to 14 days) the chances of catching someone who has the virus by airport screening are very much hit and miss.

For instance,as they said in relation to the first confirmed case in Australia:

''The man did not exhibit symptoms on the flight [...] and airport screening would not have detected the virus.''

It's more effective to concentrate on ensuring you treat infected people once they start to show symptoms.
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uncle_rico Posted on 25/01/2020 07:20

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Surely the point is that there should have been no flights leaving Wuhan, yet people have been travelling all over the world up until the day before yesterday.

Theyíre having to build a new hospital because itís so bad, yet people can fly to wherever they want? Itís madness.
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Anton_Berg Posted on 25/01/2020 09:06

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If you see everying as a potential conspiracy then you will always be worried about stuff you can't do anything about.
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bear66 Posted on 25/01/2020 09:44

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Chinese have built one new hospital already and a second to be completed by 3 February with 1300 beds. What's taking Boris so long to get one new hospital built?
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Small_town Posted on 25/01/2020 09:49

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Have you seen how the Chinese do infrastructure? They don't mess about at all: we need to build something: it'll get built with all the staff you could need working on it.

Things in the UK are a little slower. Especially now the tories are in power, there won't be a great spend on things that help the public, and even less money to spend thanks to brexit.
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Linny Posted on 25/01/2020 10:35

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ďThe hospitals are brimming with people, thereís a video where there are at least 3 dead people in a corridor on stretchers covered up, next to people sat waiting to see a doctor.Ē

Are you sure that wasnít footage from a UK hospital?
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