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We_Will Posted on 24/01/2020 08:09
Leveling the playing field.
 
Watching Liverpool play brilliant football each week must be great for Liverpool fans. Having a monopoly of five teams pushing for the top spots must be great for the Sky viewing figures and for Advertising companies. At the end of the day it's football in general that is dying due to all of the above. Lots of sports have limit to keep things even across the sport. Until limits are applied to the greed league nothing will change.
1 limit the yearly spent on every club.
2 Ensure a minimum number of academy players are included in match day squads.
3 Introduce a max wage across the leagues.

With Sky, BT and prime calling the shots nothing will change for the good.
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ZippytheHippy Posted on 24/01/2020 08:20
Edited On: 24/01/2020 08:24
Leveling the playing field.
European super league is the answer.

arsenal
man Utd
man city
Chelsea
Liverpool

should go.

then restructure the league's, dumping the PL bringing all 4 leagues under one body & distribute the money generated more evenly between all 4 div. introduce a squad size cap for "purchased" players over 21 & maximum wage bill for each team. teams should receive financial bonus or incentives for bringing academy players through. shenanigans to fiddle the books should be investigated & punished. the "fit & proper" rule should be enforced and every club should have thier debt restricted, the higher the club's income the smaller the allowed debt.

would be a start for me, might even reignite my interest in football.
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CrazyL Posted on 24/01/2020 08:31

Leveling the playing field.
What money generated? If those five go then the money will go with them.
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ZippytheHippy Posted on 24/01/2020 08:40
Edited On: 24/01/2020 08:55
Leveling the playing field.
a proportion will yes. would not be a bad thing considering the op was about.....
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festa5 Posted on 24/01/2020 08:58

Leveling the playing field.
Part of me hopes the European super League happens. I think it's unlikely.

Fans of the "big clubs" struggle to cope when their teams only come 5th or 6th in the league. Imagine the meltdowns when they start losing more than they win or heaven forbid finish bottom of the league. They'll soon tire of playing and getting beat by the same teams every week.

I'm sure they'll make a fortune so the owners/shareholders will be happy. But as a sporting contest I suspect it'll all be a bit shirt. Less is sometimes more, big club matches will soon lose their shine when they're literally every single fixture.
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rob_fmttm Posted on 24/01/2020 09:03

Leveling the playing field.
What about Leicester City - in 2015/16 but more to the point now.
When they won the league it was an incredible an achievement from a club outside the big city clubs. Then people said it could never be done again and here they are under Brendan Rodgers playing brilliant football and looking odds on to make the Champions League totally on merit.
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Jan_Aage_Fjortoft Posted on 24/01/2020 09:13
Edited On: 24/01/2020 09:17
Leveling the playing field.
I'm not sure why you are putting the blame on the TV companies. They might be the ones providing the money but they aren't the ones responsible for making it a level playing field.

The only players who can make a difference are FIFA, the regional associations such as UEFA and the big collective club associations such as the ECA. And the big members of those boards would never agree to anything which could limit their potential earnings. Making a level playing field wouldn't be seen as in their benefit so nothing will change.

And final point. A European Super League is never likely to happen. Some clubs will want it in poorer TV markets but the big players only want it as a threat to get their way. They must realise that there can only be a few dominate teams in a European League so after a few seasons when they become a mid table side in the new league - where will the financial advantages come then? Look at Man Utd - we are about to start to see the first real signs of a decline in their match day attendances. It would be the same elsewhere around Europe when the big sides suddenly become the also rans over a long period.
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boroboy02 Posted on 24/01/2020 09:18

Leveling the playing field.
30 years since Liverpool won the league.
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festa5 Posted on 24/01/2020 09:23

Leveling the playing field.
It might be 30 years since Liverpool won the league, but they've done alright in other competitions since then. Not exactly got an empty trophy cabinet have they?

I'm sure a couple of European Cups took the edge off a bit for starters.
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Anton_Berg Posted on 24/01/2020 09:25

Leveling the playing field.
The big clubs must be grateful to Leicester City for providing a fig leaf of respectability to it all. Letting the small clubs win once in a blue moon is a small price for the cartel to pay.
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FrozenHorse Posted on 24/01/2020 09:40
Edited On: 24/01/2020 09:51
Leveling the playing field.
For me, the Champion's League is the root of the problem. It's led to stagnation in domestic leagues.

We've had 24 seasons of CL football before this one, and in that time 5 different clubs have won the top division.

In the previous 24 seasons, 9 different clubs won it.

The picture is the same in Italy; 5 clubs since the start of the CL, 9 different winners in the 24 years before that.

Spain hasn't changed that much: 5 before and after, but Real and Barca have always dominated.

Didn't look at Germany; reunification in that time means it not a fair comparison. edit, just have done: 8 before, 6 after.

For a month, I've listened to Pep bang on about the number of matches; reduce them if you must, but it must be at the expense of the champions league; otherwise, it's just strangulation of the domestic game.

If they don't want to do this, then it's time for a full time European super league, but they needn't think they'd be competing at a domestic level too.
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hopesoboro Posted on 24/01/2020 10:57

Leveling the playing field.
ZippierEvenDippier!
Reignite your interest in football? - that says it all!
Chuff!
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borofan402 Posted on 24/01/2020 11:21

Leveling the playing field.
No, itís fine as it is.
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Indeedido Posted on 24/01/2020 11:53

Leveling the playing field.
Excellent post FrozenHorse[^]
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FrozenHorse Posted on 24/01/2020 12:08

Leveling the playing field.
"No, itís fine as it is."

I think its naÔve to think it will stay as it is.

When the big clubs talk about playing fewer matches, this will only increase their stranglehold on domestic football. It will be at the expense of everyone else.

Unless, of course, we reduce matches in the CL, rather than in domestic football.
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BoroBen92 Posted on 24/01/2020 12:12
Edited On: 24/01/2020 12:16
Leveling the playing field.
The big clubs crying about too many fixtures whilst flying off to the Middle East mid season shows that they take domestic matches for granted.

There are too many competitions as is, but UEFA and FIFA only want to increase the number of international fixtures and competitions.

Chasing foreign money is what's crippling the game.
It's only a matter of time before the Premier League makes more money abroad than in this country.
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ZippytheHippy Posted on 24/01/2020 12:27

Leveling the playing field.
hopesoboro

ctc's alter ego[:o)]
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masqueSmog Posted on 24/01/2020 13:54

Leveling the playing field.
I do think pre-PL there is some nostalgia.

On the stats, the 15 years from 1975, Liverpool won the title 10 times. I guess this sticks with me because of my age, and coinciding with Boro (finally) getting into Div 1. I would assume in the PL era, only Man Utd have been comparable.

Oddly the attendances of the PL don't indicate dying there. I just looked - there are up about 1M in the past decade.

Of course the global appeal is growing and, as someone has said, it is very likely the money (and influence) from this will increase too. I watch most of my PL games while here in Brasil. It seems to have come (judging by screens showing games) from a pretty distant #3, to a clear #1. I can finally have a conversation here and people tell me because the football is usually better to watch (than Spain and Italy), and more games are competitive, and better atmosphere (I even heard a commentator explaining one of the chants in the Wolves /Liverpool game).

Maybe I'm being naive but I don't think this would happen with a dedicated European league. Of course I may be wrong.

Even top clubs complaining about numbers of games has a long history. Maybe more in the news now, but I can even recall Bob Paisley complaining (OK I think they had to play the European Cup Final, FA Cup final and Chamionship decider all on the same afternoon that year); and stopping open ended FA Cup Replays pre dates the advent of the PL.

Of course much of this doesn't much help the rest of the English League. or at least doesn't seem to. I am not sure how these attendances are holding up. But I'm really not sure if dismantling the PL is the answer. Even going bankrupt isn't a recent phenomenon, as we know. Obviously the attempt to finance getting into the Pl is a problem - for some.

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FrozenHorse Posted on 24/01/2020 14:12

Leveling the playing field.
"I do think pre-PL there is some nostalgia.

On the stats, the 15 years from 1975, Liverpool won the title 10 times. I guess this sticks with me because of my age, and coinciding with Boro (finally) getting into Div 1. I would assume in the PL era, only Man Utd have been comparable. "


I see the stagnation being caused by CL rather than the PL.

I take your point that Liverpool were exactly as dominant prior to the CL as after (both won 11 titles in 24 years).

However, the diversity of clubs has shrunk. I look at clubs winning the top flight in the 24 years prior to the CL: Villa, Forest, Derby (2), Leeds (2), Everton (2), Blackburn, as well as well as usual suspects Liverpool, Man U and arsenal.

Since then, it's been carved up between 4 clubs, with the exception of the freakish year Leicester won it.

I do think the CL systematically reduces competition. I've haven't got time to look just now, but I'd bet that winning points totals of champions are much greater too, as leagues-within-leagues have been created during this time. The PL Champions lost a total of 17 matches across the first 3 years of PL (albeit with a few more fixtures), but that is inconceivable now.
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masqueSmog Posted on 24/01/2020 14:30

Leveling the playing field.
I know I should Google (and it's a bit pedantic) but wasn't the CL on the go when Blackburn won?
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FrozenHorse Posted on 24/01/2020 14:33
Edited On: 24/01/2020 14:53
Leveling the playing field.
I'm reading different sources: one says 1995, so it started the season after they won, so they competed in it (badly), but it hadn't started when they won the title.

Others say 1992.

However, I don't think it started with runners up (let alone 3rd and 4th placed teams, they came in a few years later, so the stagnating effect that the financial security gave the big clubs didn't kick in straight away. That's what caused stagnation, rather than the rebranding.
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