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Evil Posted on 16/01/2020 22:34
John Barnes
 
How good was he?

Wasn't in the team for the 90 World Cup, was he injured?

All a bit before my time really.

I'd like to know if he was enigmatic, like a good Graham Tomlin, great every 5th game, looked like he could do anything.

His stats and highlights look great though.
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glover_elbow Posted on 16/01/2020 22:37

John Barnes
He was great for Liverpool in a very decent team but in the main he was ineffective for england. For me chris waddle was a far better player
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kuepper Posted on 16/01/2020 22:40

John Barnes
just remembered for the one goal and rapping with new order for world in motion

Link: the goal
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hopesoboro Posted on 16/01/2020 22:41

John Barnes
I think he reached greater heights in the game than Graham Tomlin.
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atypical_boro Posted on 16/01/2020 22:41

John Barnes
He was awesome. For me far better than Waddle, although Waddle was decent and probably better for England. Barnes was ok for England but inconsistent.
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Londons_Moggie Posted on 16/01/2020 22:44

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He was phenomenal. Watch him on youtube there's plenty of footage
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hopesoboro Posted on 16/01/2020 22:48

John Barnes
Waddle was a top,top player,as was Barnes.
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Small_town Posted on 16/01/2020 22:53

John Barnes
John Barnes was a wonderful player to watch. Maybe more domestically than internationally but he still had a lot of good performances for England, plus THAT goal in Brazil
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atypical_boro Posted on 16/01/2020 22:53

John Barnes
Watch the BT Sport film “Poetry in Motion” if you can.
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Londons_Moggie Posted on 16/01/2020 22:56

John Barnes
England never used him properly. He was at his best at Liverpool when playing from the left but drifting into central areas, more like an inside forward. That's why he scored so many goal.

England always made him hug the left touch line and that just took so much away from his game.

He was one of the best players in the world when he was playing for Liverpool. He should have been an England legend but he was like many others he wasn't used correctly for his country.
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NorfolknGood Posted on 16/01/2020 22:58
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John Barnes
Barnes was an awesome player.
Who is Graham Tomlin?
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hopesoboro Posted on 16/01/2020 23:02

John Barnes
What is Whit?
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Cooper6711 Posted on 16/01/2020 23:30

John Barnes
Sure Barnes scores in the 3-3 in 96-97
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HolgateCorner Posted on 16/01/2020 23:40

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My memory is that he was a very big name but his performances generally did not live up to his name particularly for England.
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Cooper6711 Posted on 16/01/2020 23:48

John Barnes
To be fair you could file many a good English player in that category
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expat_smoggie Posted on 17/01/2020 00:07

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He was a very special winger — ball glued to his feet and could dance through a defence but he couldn’t keep his weight in check — I would have liked to him to have started in 86 against Argentina but Robson preferred Terry Fenwick on the left — why ... who knows— it certainly didn’t stop Maradona.
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1finny Posted on 17/01/2020 07:07

John Barnes
He was a good wife beater too wasn’t he?
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Tryasize11 Posted on 17/01/2020 08:20

John Barnes
He played until 1999, great player.

Loved Waddle mind
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Small_town Posted on 17/01/2020 08:24

John Barnes
Cooper: he did indeed. Had a burger thrown at him from the north stand too. I was at the game with a Liverpool fan who adored him.
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Linny Posted on 17/01/2020 08:35

John Barnes
He went to 1990 World Cup didn’t he?
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Zoophonic Posted on 17/01/2020 08:41

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Yes he did. Played in 5 games but injured his groin in the Cameroon match and missed the semi.

Also sang the World Cup song of course for 1990.
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AndyD13 Posted on 17/01/2020 08:45

John Barnes
" I would have liked to him to have started in 86 against Argentina but Robson preferred Terry Fenwick on the left "

Terry Fenwick played centre half in that world cup. Trevor Steven was picked ahead of Barnes.
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atypical_boro Posted on 17/01/2020 08:50

John Barnes
F1nny, I never actually knew about his wife beating. I knew he'd had serial affairs but the story I've just read, if true, is pretty hideous.

Great player mind.
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CuvsteR81 Posted on 17/01/2020 09:23

John Barnes
He was an awesome player! His free kicks were top notch. Could bend that ball brilliantly!

I've got the John Barnes story on vhs somewhere, born in Jamaica and moved over here as a kid. Started at Watford and helped them reach the fa cup final, was snapped up by Liverpool after that and his career took off from there!

Rightly said he was never used as good as he could of been for England but was still an amazing player. Yeah, he is remembered for his individual goal in the Maracana but he was an important player for Liverpool during their height!
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ZippytheHippy Posted on 17/01/2020 10:10

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only scored one memarobal goal for England against Brazil imo.
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atypical_boro Posted on 17/01/2020 10:12

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Free kick against Holland in 93?
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Fluffy-Carpet Posted on 17/01/2020 10:23

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I remember all the England fans booing him one game every time he touched the ball. He was never that good for England. Brilliant for Liverpool though.
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Small_town Posted on 17/01/2020 10:25

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I thought that was because he was Black?
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Fluffy-Carpet Posted on 17/01/2020 10:27

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Maybe you're right. I was only a young teen so just a vague memory.
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boroskel65 Posted on 17/01/2020 10:58

John Barnes
I’ve compared Woodgate’s recent turnaround to Bobby Robson in 1986; how by happenstance a manager finds a perfect formula.

Robson was persisting with playing Robson, Wilkins, Waddle, Barnes and stinking the place out. Through injury, form and suspension he turned to Beardsley, Hoddle, Reid, Steven and Hodge, and the team was a Hand of God away from doing something really special.
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Anton_Berg Posted on 17/01/2020 11:04

John Barnes
Nowadays, he might have been playing for Jamaica.
When he played for Watford, he was a part-time coach at Eton College. It doesn't look like he coached Boris, however.
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sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 17/01/2020 11:57

John Barnes
Also invented drinks that get to your thirst fast. Before then you'd still be thirsty for a good hour or two after drinking something.
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Zoophonic Posted on 17/01/2020 12:33

John Barnes
He was definitely the target of the boo boys for a while. Looked lethargic in some performances for England which he didn’t playing for Liverpool.
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hopesoboro Posted on 17/01/2020 12:54

John Barnes
There were knuckle draggers then just as there are today.
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lambsbrothersmatesnephew Posted on 17/01/2020 13:27

John Barnes
He was absolutely brilliant and one of England's best.
So exciting and rarely gave a ball away.

Different story for England but he wasn't as bad as some people say, just less effective due to a different setup. He's not the only one who isnt as good with the national team.

One of my favourite players for sure.
Get yourself on YouTube and watch him
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DoomOnHorseback Posted on 17/01/2020 13:28

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Touching upon a couple of posts. The free-kick against Holland in '93 was early on in the game and he was getting booed by a lot of the England supporters. They soon changed their tune when he bent one in the TC.
I was young when he was playing for England but I don't think he failed at international level. We had some great players looking back. Waddle, Beardsley, Barnes are all up there for me.

Didn't know about the wife beating mind.
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UgoAfro Posted on 17/01/2020 13:55

John Barnes
"" I would have liked to him to have started in 86 against Argentina but Robson preferred Terry Fenwick on the left "

Terry Fenwick played centre half in that world cup. Trevor Steven was picked ahead of Barnes."

It was Steve Hodge on the left keeping Barnes out. Trevor Steven on the right. Had a sparkling cameo chasing the game, setting up Lineker's goal and almost a carbon copy second. But overall disappointing for Englans in the main despite being easily one of the best in the league for Liverpool.
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Evil Posted on 17/01/2020 17:06

John Barnes
My mistake, thought Waddle played most games for England in the 90 World Cup.

Also, I Wasn't comparing Tomlin to him in terms of talent, of course.

I was comparing in terms of effectiveness - of course I realise an England International with 70+ caps to his name and pretty much entire career in the top flight - is not what Graeme Tomlin has achieved.

However, I was referring to his ability only being shown every 4-5 games perhaps.

Some people are just born with sh1t personalities aren't they.[:D]
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atypical_boro Posted on 17/01/2020 17:09

John Barnes
You mean Lee Tomlin, right?
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Evil Posted on 18/01/2020 19:22

John Barnes
I do mean Lee Tomlin, fck knows where I got Graham from - think he played on the original Premier Manager game in about 1992 for Halifax Town.
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Starbuck Posted on 19/01/2020 17:46

John Barnes
Barnes was a brilliant player
Truly gifted, balance, passing, terrific shot, skill and incredibly difficult to dispossess

900k to Liverpool was an absolute bargain
Should have went the year before he did
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dragged_up_in_whinneybanks Posted on 20/01/2020 12:42

John Barnes
Remember watching him play for Liverpool at Ayresome. There was some racial abuse, so he picked up one of corner flags and pretended that it was a spear.
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Pak_Do-Ik Posted on 20/01/2020 12:49

John Barnes
A fantastic player a club level, him and Beardsley were unplayable at times in that Liverpool team.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 20/01/2020 12:49

John Barnes
One of the best players I saw at Ayresome but was disappointing, bordering on awful, for England. He just couldn't do it at the top level, and I have no idea why considering his consistency in a Liverpool shirt. How he got so many caps is beyond me. He's not the only one in that respect from that era.
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HeritageHampers Posted on 20/01/2020 13:36

John Barnes

"Remember watching him play for Liverpool at Ayresome. There was some racial abuse, so he picked up one of corner flags and pretended that it was a spear"

Did that really happen? I'm a bit dubious.
The only time Barnes played for Liverpool @ Ayresome was 88-89 season, the highlights were shown on Tyne Tees and are all over youtube. I don't remember this incident being mentioned at all in any media afterwards (including FMTTM...granted the MSM wouldn't necessarily report it).

Check out Liverpools 1987-88 season on youtube. Barnes was at the peak of his powers. That Liverpool side were among the best English club football has ever seen.

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