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ThePenguin Posted on 11/01/2020 12:42
Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
 
Is this really something that warranted a sacking, or is apologising for a tasteless joke not enough now?

Link: www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/jan/02/bobb
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 11/01/2020 12:49

Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
Yes I have sympathy for him.

The moral of the story is if you are in the media spotlight , and let’s face it premier league referees are, stay away from Whatsapping messages unless you choose your mates very very carefully. The guy who leaked the whatsapp must have had some grudge.
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dooderooni Posted on 11/01/2020 12:50

Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
The higher the profile, the more a scandal will have consequences.

It's about protecting the PL brand.
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Colgates_shaving_foam Posted on 11/01/2020 12:54

Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
When you see what he did in context then i feel very sorry for him.

Whoever leaked it is an absolute scumbag.
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BoroBen92 Posted on 11/01/2020 12:56

Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
Considering people were saying he was sacked for bestiality, I can't believe it's because he said he'd beat a disabled person in a race.

Massive overreaction.
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 11/01/2020 13:10

Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
“I can't believe it's because he said he'd beat a disabled person in a race.”

Close. What he actually did was take a short video of a disabled man limping past him at his son’s school sports day and then sending his “mate” the clip saying “I don’t think I’ll have much trouble in today’s parents race”
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Abel_Tasman Posted on 11/01/2020 13:12

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Frightening how things spiral on social media. Somebody made up a story that he had sex with a dog and it went viral with people believing it!
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festa5 Posted on 11/01/2020 13:23

Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
"stay away from Whatsapping messages unless you choose your mates very very carefully."

Given it was a one to one message you might as well say stay away from text messaging your mates too then. Maybe even talking to them.

His ex "mate" must be an utter bell end like.
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Block21 Posted on 11/01/2020 13:26

Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
Really feel for the bloke to be honest.
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Block21 Posted on 11/01/2020 13:26

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Really feel for the bloke to be honest.
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Edis_Pilf Posted on 11/01/2020 13:27

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Me too Block21
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Piggy Posted on 11/01/2020 13:33

Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
And the dog.
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 11/01/2020 13:50

Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
Whatsapp, text whatever - they are almost the same thing. A private encrypted message person to person. (Group messaging is slightly different but that wasn’t the case here).

“Maybe even talking to them. “

It’s the record - unless you believe your mate has a habit of recording conversations I don’t think you need to get paranoid about chatting to your pals or so called pals.
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futureboy Posted on 11/01/2020 13:51

Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
Outrageous story - yes, it was a dark joke, but dark jokes aren't illegal and it was nothing to do with his job. It wasn't even out there in the public domain. To get sacked for that is an absolute travesty.

Wonder if the person who stitched him up was actually the ex wife. I believe he mentioned it being a family matter in his original message, and then went out of his way to confirm on Twitter that it definitely wasn't his brother (as some people had suggested).
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Lottowyn Posted on 11/01/2020 14:53

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Feel a bit sorry for him, but he was a useless ref. [sad]
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Fabios_porkpie_provider Posted on 11/01/2020 17:24

Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
I've got sympathy for him. I dare say plenty of us on here have said and done worse in the name of humour.
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ThePrisoner Posted on 11/01/2020 17:35

Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
Surprised he hasn't taken legal action rather than just accept it.

I have been the butt of hundreds of sick jokes becuase of my disability.
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Ingleby_Flash1 Posted on 11/01/2020 18:18

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Genuine question prisoner, would you expect someone who made an inappropriate joke about your disability to be sacked. Or would you just assume they’re a bell end and ignore them?
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ThePrisoner Posted on 11/01/2020 18:25

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"Genuine question prisoner, would you expect someone who made an inappropriate joke about your disability to be sacked."

Not really. But it's not easy wering glasses [:D]
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Ingleby_Flash1 Posted on 11/01/2020 18:36

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[:D]

The bloke made a daft mistake, don’t think it was a sacking myself. Maybe the employers should have considered the motivation of the person that sent it to them.

The punishment should fit the crime.
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BoroBen92 Posted on 11/01/2020 18:42

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I don't even think it's that dark a joke.

Bit nasty, but if he'd said it about a morbidly obese man then nothing would have happened. Despite the joke being essentially the same.
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Ingleby_Flash1 Posted on 11/01/2020 19:26

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His dad was disabled, he said the joke was meant to be against himself, I can see that, but it was clumsy. Though not sackable.
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sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 11/01/2020 20:33

Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
Completely agree with the article. Though its in a paper which along with the vast majority of media compounds the problem.

I'd like to see far less from twitter in news reports. I'm not interested in hearing the opinion of random people. It is nearly always the extreme end of views which is shown. We are highlighting the idiots. We're giving a voice to people who do not understand nuance.
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1finny Posted on 11/01/2020 21:56

Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
Prisoner makes a good point.
I’d love to know the legal grounds for his sacking.
The action has to be seen as gross misconduct for a sacking.

Did he get sacked or
Did he agree to leave with a pay off?
Anyone know?
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redwurzel Posted on 12/01/2020 00:20

Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
Unfortunately I have to disagree with most posters on this. I think he deserved to lose his job.

My reasons:

He had a job with an extremely high professional public profile. A job where you are representing the FA in everything you do. He is a not a teenager trying to impress mates. What if the head teacher had done the same?

Bob Madley was full aware of his high profile and how professional referees have to careful in life. I know a teacher that was dismissed for urinating in public when drunk. It is harsh, but it happens. You are never fully off duty I am afraid.

He videoed a stranger without their permission and passed it without their permission and the message effectively ridiculed them for their disability, something out of the control of this person with the disability.

Saying it was not meant for the general public is no defence to me. The intent is still there if you sent to 1 person as if you send it to 1 million. Today everyone is aware of how digital content can be stored and re-used. (this board is evidence to some extent).

His actions and his later interview on the BBC show he was not really fully aware or concerned he could have caused serious offence quotes such "as everybody does it" not.... I realise I was disrespectful to a person with a disability and I wish to apologise to him. It feels like there is still a lack of real empathy.

I have heard no apology from Bob Madley.

I realise I must sound like a member of the High PC brigade, but I do believe people have right to privacy and right not be ridiculed and people with high public status have higher responsibilities.

How would Bob Madley feel if a stranger had videoed his father and ridiculed him in a message. I don't think he would find it funny.
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TheFair86 Posted on 12/01/2020 00:52

Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
Got to agree with wurzel here. Because it isn’t illegal doesn’t mean it’s ok. Most contracts will have clauses about bringing your employer into disrepute. I used to work in a call centre and people were sacked for thing they did on work nights out that reflected bad on the company, and they weren’t in tbe public eye like a ref is.

He knew it was wrong. Yes it’s a joke, but not everyone will find a joke “funny” and a bad taste joke is a bad taste joke, he gambled and he lost.
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sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 12/01/2020 02:15

Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
That's in public though isn't it. It's a tree falling in a forest with loads of people about. There's a huge difference.
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Alwaysinthered Posted on 12/01/2020 10:43

Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
Feel sympathy for him

I can think of a few footballers who did a far worse thing and were given a second chance.
Lee Hughes
Luke McCormack

Even Glenn Hoddle managed again after mocking the disabled.
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Abel_Tasman Posted on 12/01/2020 10:55

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Incredibly difficult one but ultimately I side with the harsh to sack him view.

A certain gentleman across the Atlantic very publicly mocked a disabled journalist but standards were such in that country that he was able to continue to become President. I understand what Redwurzel is saying but feel this was sufficiently private enough and only became public because one of the parties chose to break their privacy with clear malicious intent.
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redwurzel Posted on 13/01/2020 01:12

Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
Glen Hoddle was sacked, he did not work for the FA again.

BM is refereeing in Norway isn't he?

If I change disability to race do posters feel differently?.....Does sending a racist message to a friend, mean you are not a racist, because the general public can't see it?

Listen to the BBC interview I found it a bit disturbing from an intelligent middle aged guy in 2020. It also shows some changes in society to me and how we have become less empathetic to others and their privacy i.e. everyone is fair game for mocking by strangers.
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BoroBen92 Posted on 13/01/2020 07:44
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Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
I completely disagree with that.
It was far more acceptable to mock people in the past.
Plenty of films and media had punchlines to jokes that were essentially the person was disabled/gay/different, and it was definitely commonplace when I was at school.

It's clearly not acceptable nowadays, hence a man having his career ended just for saying he'd beat a disabled person in a race.
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 13/01/2020 07:46

Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
Personally no but we are not talking about racism in this context.

I think we could be treading on dangerous ground if we start to introduce into job interviews political and personal opinions on everything. Again this was a private message that was leaked. He’s already stated that he has a disabled parent so I would cut him some slack that he doesn’t mock disabled people on a daily basis.

That said he has been incredibly stupid in his position and recognises that.
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clay_davis Posted on 13/01/2020 08:49

Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
I've got a lot of sympathy for him over this.

If someone leaked my WhatsApp messages out of context they'd look awful. My best friend had a massive stroke a few months ago and part of our coping mechanisms has been to make some pretty dark jokes about it. The idea that a public figure shouldn't be allowed to do that in case their *private* correspondence is leaked is grossly unfair (and I'd also argue that refs aren't really public figures in the first place).

I think one thing that counted against him is the bizarre decision to allow referees to be treated as self-employed. This means he didn't have to be "sacked" in the usual sense, he's basically just a contractor who's not going to be offered further work.
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ThePenguin Posted on 14/02/2020 16:27

Bobby Madley - ex-PL referee
Good news for him I guess.

"Ex-Premier League referee Bobby Madley says he has accepted an opportunity to officiate in England again."

Link: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51494849
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