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TerryWay Posted on 01/12/2019 15:34
Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
 
I donít think I felt this disillusioned with Boro performances even under Strachan.

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hamstercheeks Posted on 01/12/2019 15:36

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
This is the worst it's been since the 80s.
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homesickblues Posted on 01/12/2019 15:38

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
It's not just Boro, I'm getting fed up with football in general.
But no there have been worse.
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Badonde Posted on 01/12/2019 15:41

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
The thing is in the 1980s we probably expected less?
I enjoyed it back then but it's different when you're a kid - everything is more exciting.
It definitely helped that even in the tiny crowds of 5 to 6000 you could huddle together in the Holgate and still make a racket.

Imagine 5000 regularly in the Riverside [?]
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FrozenHorse Posted on 01/12/2019 15:54

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
For me, the WGS era was worse. He personally had spent the money to build his team and it was awful.

JW has inherited a squad with some expensive signings in it, but anyone who considers Britt and Fletcher a £22 million strikeforce hasn't been watching for the last two and a half years. We just paid that for them.

For all the money spent in the past, we had 4 academy products plus Wing, plucked from non-league obscurity, in the starting team vs Barnsley. I can take some pride in that, if nothing else.
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asredastheycome Posted on 01/12/2019 15:58

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
Pulis was worse for me. Hate then man. He has a big part to play in what we are today.
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redwurzel Posted on 01/12/2019 16:13
Edited On: 01/12/2019 16:21
Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
We were a top 10 side in the equivalent of the Premiership in 1980, so I was not happy in the 1980s until 1987/1988 and then in 1990 we only stayed in the Championship (Eq) at the last day.

Sorry I don't accept fans were contented under Murdoch/Allison/Maddren/early days of Rioch we just had to lump it.

Now reminds me of the early 1984/5 team with the team relying on young players like Mogga, Kerny, Rippers, O'Hanlon, Wood, Hammy, Roberts, Bell, Currie, supported by veterans Mills, Saxby and a couple of light weights. The only player at the height of his playing career seemed to Eine Otto. Every year from 1981 to 1984 the squad was cut by number and quality.

What saved us was signing Laws and Stephens about early March 1985.
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DCI_Gene_Hunt Posted on 01/12/2019 16:22

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
"For all the money spent in the past, we had 4 academy products plus Wing, plucked from non-league obscurity, in the starting team vs Barnsley. I can take some pride in that, if nothing else."

Fry,Tavernier, Wing, Coulson & Pears

Sadly none of them would be playing if we had a decent squad. None of them would get in the starting 11 of the top 8 or 9 teams I'd suggest?
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FrozenHorse Posted on 01/12/2019 16:25
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"None of them would get in the starting 11 of the top 8 or 9 teams I'd suggest?"

Burnley tried to sign Fry in the Summer, and Wing regularly, and Tavernier occasionally, were starters in a top 8 team last season.
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newyddion Posted on 01/12/2019 16:26

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
The players were worse under Strachan
The football was worse under Pulis
The lack of investment is on par with the Southgate era

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DCI_Gene_Hunt Posted on 01/12/2019 16:43

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
"Burnley tried to sign Fry in the Summer, and Wing regularly, and Tavernier occasionally, were starters in a top 8 team last season."

If Burnley wanted Fry we'd have sold him given our financial position.

Fry, Wing & Tav have regressed and are not good enough to get in any of the top 8 teams.
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br14 Posted on 01/12/2019 17:37

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
"The football was worse under Pulis"

True enough. But does anyone question that we'd be well out of the relegation battle?
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atypical_boro Posted on 01/12/2019 17:48

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
Absolutely laughable to suggest that this team are playing better football than last season.
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Davey_C Posted on 01/12/2019 17:51

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
Imagine 5000 regularly in the Riverside

no different to the Reynolds Arena with 2500 in it every other week and we know that wasn't sustainable
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boroboy02 Posted on 01/12/2019 19:25

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
Iíve been going since 86/87 and this is the most disillusioned Iíve been.
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Richyboro Posted on 01/12/2019 19:32

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
Strachan times for me.
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Lefty Posted on 01/12/2019 23:35

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
Strachan era was worse for me too.

And strachan was an experienced manager with a decent budget for the championship.
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Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 02/12/2019 11:20

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
WGS was far worse, spent a fortune on second rate dross and they played like they'd never met before.

Woodgate needs time, its bis first job and unless the club were prepared to be patient then it was pointless giving a rookie like him the job in the first place.

Rumours of Warnock being greeted with some degree of enthusiasm shows how desperate things are though.
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atypical_boro Posted on 02/12/2019 11:23

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
"It was pointless giving a rookie like him the job in the first place."

I think this is the rub of it.

I don't like to get on Woody's back but to be brutally honest, I don't think he showed even the slightest signs during his playing career of having any managerial credentials.

Maybe Gibson is owning up to a mistake here like he did with Monk.
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boromike85 Posted on 02/12/2019 11:31

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
What defines the "time" because I see this as a continuation. We had great times which seem like a lifetime ago now as a genuinely top team capable of beating anyone. Our relegation under Southgate and then the Strachan blip turned us from a Premier League team having a brief spell in the Championship into a Championship team. Karanka brought the good times back but Gibson made it obvious in the January window of the PL season that we were a Championship team still having a holiday in the PL.

Pulis brought total apathy. Even winning wasn't enjoyable under Pulis. The appointment of Woodgate is the first time I haven't been at least optimistic of making the playoffs at any point since Southgate left. Even under Mowbray when we were skint I still thought we had enough about us to challenge but now is the first time I've been thinking about how far we are from the relegation zone instead of the playoffs.

It's depressing but in no way surprising. Gibson has made plenty of mistakes over the years but appointing Woodgate must be one of the worst decisions anyone has ever made.
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rob_fmttm Posted on 02/12/2019 11:35

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
I don't think that is true regarding Woodgate. He looked a totally different man when he came back to Middlesbrough for his second spell. I say that knowing that in his first spel he was the only Boro player I have ever known who would refuse to do interviews on community assignments.
In his second spell he seemed grown up, to be honest and focused on learning all aspects about coaching and the game. He was very approachable now and as I have said before spent a lot of time with youngsters in the club giving out detailed tips and help. This was when he was captain and/or senior player and before he was coach. His knowledge of all the young players really surprised and delighted their parents. That he was taking care and time to watch their progress was a sign he was serious about coaching and passing on all the experience he had picked up during his career. And learning from his own mistakes ranks high in that also.
I still believe he can make a top boss actually and think he is turning things around here. But we were outclassed at Leeds and that is a bitter pill to swallow. But I think we must do that as we are in rebuild mode now.
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atypical_boro Posted on 02/12/2019 11:46

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
Rob, maybe he is suited to a job in coaching kids then, or something else. But I never thought he'd make a good manager and I found it a baffling appointment.

That said, if he gets another month or so to turn it around, I'll support him. But we need some wins from somewhere, we can't play Barnsley every week.
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Octo_Burger Posted on 02/12/2019 11:49

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
He'll never be a top class manager. You're lying to yourself.
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hamstercheeks Posted on 02/12/2019 11:57

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
You think he's turning it round Rob? Based on what?
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Marvanelli Posted on 02/12/2019 12:04

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
WGS era was worse for me.

We started the season as bookies favs to go up, and we spent a colossal amount of money. JW has spent very little and inherited a shocking squad from Pulis.

Granted I don't think JW is the answer, however, WGS time as manager was far worse IMO.

This season I never ever once thought we'd be challenging for the play offs. Under WGS I actually thought play offs should've been a minimum after the amount we invested in the team.

WGS by far our worst manager in decades!
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Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 02/12/2019 12:06

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
"He'll never be a top class manager. You're lying to yourself"

I don't think anyone expects him to be - we are a second tier club who needs to balance the books.

The hope is that he develops into a solid appointment - no one can realistically expect him to go on and manager a top club.

I remember a few people saying the same thing about Southgate too, not that I expect Woodgate to reach the same heights.
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atypical_boro Posted on 02/12/2019 12:10

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
Personally, I still don't think Southgate will go on to manage a top club.
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Steer Posted on 02/12/2019 12:16

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
At least Strachan had money to spend, and despite the poor results I always assumed that either he would finally start to get results or his successor would.

At the moment, even if we bring in someone else, the squad is so thin that i find it hard to believe that someone could turn this around.

A mid table finish in this league seems totally unrealistic - and I cannot remember ever thinking that before, so yes, I would say this is the worse time.
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boromike85 Posted on 02/12/2019 12:33

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
Rob, giving out tips and advice to kids growing up in the game is very different to watching football, understanding what the opposition do and don't do, identifying weaknesses and formulating a plan to counter that.

It sounds like he might be good at the man-management aspect if what you say is true but as a manager and a tactician I don't he will ever achieve even mediocrity. If that is the case then he'd be more suited to be an assistant or a coach.
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ovy1 Posted on 02/12/2019 13:04

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
Woodgate has never had the intelligence, social skills or temperament to be a Manager.

I remember years ago I was at the supporters annual awards and a young Lee Catermole picked up one the community player. I remember Woodgate heckling him all of the way thorugh the presentation which made the moment very uncomfortable for Catermole, who tried to give it the big I AM back, making the whole thing very cringey!

I remember thinking back then it wasnt a way a senior pro should act in public.
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CasinoGrande Posted on 02/12/2019 13:08

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
I'm gonna get stick for this, but the relegation with Aitor was worse for me, I think it was the excitement and expectation being slowly drained by targeting 17th and trying for 0-0 results.
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smoggieinmanc Posted on 02/12/2019 15:15

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
This is by far the worst for me due to a couple reasons;

1. The appointment of Woodgate was a truly awful decision that I suppose I could have stomached if it hadnít have inevitable despite the smokescreen put up by the club around the process they followed. Moreover, it wouldnít be half as bad if we hadnít seen it all before from Gibson.

2. As mentioned by some on this thread, woodgate lacks the basic intelligence to be a manager and his cringeworthy press conference are an insult to the intelligence of the average fan. Someone needs to get hold of him and tell him to keep his mouth shut because every time he talks his tiny brain falls out and it is making him look stupid and creating more issues!

I am resigned to relegation unless woodgate is gone before the January window opens.
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atypical_boro Posted on 02/12/2019 15:22

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Casino, that season in 2016/2017 was actually worse for me too, simply because I knew Aitor wasn't going to change the approach but I also wasn't sure the dross he'd signed would do any better under even the best of managers.

I don't feel quite like this season. I do believe there's a way out, albeit we're a division lower.
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SirGooner02 Posted on 02/12/2019 15:55

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
I keep saying this to arsenal fans imagine being Bury

not even sure you even have a league to play in next year.

things could be worse.
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wilkos_perm Posted on 02/12/2019 16:11

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
Casino we didn't get relegated with Aitor. Not saying we wouldn't have, but the fact seems to get forgotten. For me that season wasn't worse. It was demoralizing without doubt, but there were some decent moments in the first half of the season at least - the performances as arsenal and Leicester, Ramirez goal vs Bournemouth, last minute goal at Ciy, win at Sunderland for example.

This season, and under Strachan, there have been/was pretty much nothing to enjoy at all. Literally nothing.
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atypical_boro Posted on 02/12/2019 16:59
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Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
Agree with all of that wilko but I still feel we can stay up this season, the players are low on confidence but they're not all bad players.

That season I just felt like the rot was set in and the players really just weren't good enough for that league. I don't feel quite as much despair as I did in 2017, although the potential consequences of going down to division 3 are worse.

Maybe I'll feel worse if its still this bad in March.
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rob_fmttm Posted on 02/12/2019 17:26

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
The Strachan time was my all time low - I remember chatting to a Boro reporter at the time not known for his pessimism and he said what have we got to look forward to - if Strachan goes, Gary McAllister will probably be the successor.
Remember when he came in for a short period and left just as quickly as he arrived.
There was also the fear that Strachan was threatening to dismantle the Academy.
Remember how Mowbray had to spend time and effort rebuilding all the scouting, physios, masseurs, sports scientists - all stuff Strachan did not believe in.
It was like he took the club back years in only one year. And the threat was there to take us back a decade at least.
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Grrreds Posted on 02/12/2019 18:45

Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
This is worse than Strachan.

I have never felt so 'couldn't care less' than I do at the moment and I was one of the very few who kept at it through the darkness of the early 80s.

t could be my age but even though we were away at Leeds on Saturday, it got to about 3.10pm when I suddenly remembered we were playing and I checked the score knowing we would be getting beat.

We have no style of play, no discernible pattern, nothing. He sends them out like a Sunday League manager, the players are making it up as they go along.
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Archie_Stephens Posted on 02/12/2019 18:47
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Is this the worst time to be a Boro fan since pre-Robson?
edit - posted in wrong thread
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