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mikeyyyy Posted on 25/11/2019 12:49
BBC Bias towards Tories
 
"Compared to the Labour manifesto, Boris Johnson's plan for the country is a shopping list of promises, not an encyclopaedia of ambitions."



Link: Tories seek to avoid manifesto calamity
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mikeyyyy Posted on 25/11/2019 12:51
Edited On: 25/11/2019 12:53
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"they not only muted the laughter. They searched the show for the line "absolutely vital" from a different question and used a more confident clip. His phrasing is different. This is a MAJOR scandal. #BBCqt"

Link: BBC editing. MORE controversy.
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bear66 Posted on 25/11/2019 12:54

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A shopping list of promises that contains no new vows? Hmm . . .
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Big_Nothing Posted on 25/11/2019 12:54

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That does sound very biased to me. I'm really not surprised though, at all.
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mikeyyyy Posted on 25/11/2019 13:01
Edited On: 25/11/2019 13:01
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“Laura Kuenssberg BBC 10 o’clock news: lines drawn between parties on the size of the STATE and how much the “the government should INTERFERE in the economy”.

Not the highly negative “interfere” where the neutral “intervene” ought to be. Words matter. Terrible slanted “journalism”.


Link: Craig Murray
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mikeyyyy Posted on 25/11/2019 13:03

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BBC apologises for using wrong Remembrance Sunday clip.

The BBC has apologised for mistakenly running an out-of-date clip of Boris Johnson laying a wreath.

It said a production error led to BBC Breakfast showing images purporting to be the prime minister attending a Remembrance Day service on Sunday, when in fact the clip was from 2016.

"This was a production mistake and we apologise for the error," the corporation said in a statement.

Some members of the public questioned the BBC's impartiality on social media.

Link: BBC apologises
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boromike85 Posted on 25/11/2019 13:05

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It is noticeably bad. BBC has always been clearly blue, on the news side at least. Entertainment is clearly left wing.

Shame we didn't see any outrage when it has been noticeably negative about all things brexit though.
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mikeyyyy Posted on 25/11/2019 13:09

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We are all license payers. 100% of the electorate should be unhappy about this. We pay for impartial media, we expect impartial media.
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Iago Posted on 25/11/2019 13:12

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"If I cherry pick examples of media coverage that doesn't suit my own narrative, that media source must be biased"

[:D][:D][:D]
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 25/11/2019 13:15

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I think they have too, the Tories started pressurising them around 2010.

Not bothered tbh, they will be subscription within 2 or 3 years anyway.
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mikeyyyy Posted on 25/11/2019 13:25

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Iago, happy to see some concrete evidence to refute [^]
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laughing Posted on 25/11/2019 13:27

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Mikeyyy The Tory manifesto is deliberately vanilla in an attempt to maintain the status quo in the polls, A fairly good political tactic to be fair.
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atypical_boro Posted on 25/11/2019 13:28

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They're clearly massively biased towards both the Tories and Labour.

Link: depending on who you ask
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Iago Posted on 25/11/2019 13:29

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"My personal interpretation of media coverage about topics I don't like or understand is proof of bias"

[:D][:D][:D]
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 25/11/2019 13:31

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Dull Shakespearean character is another of Smoggie rainbows mates, did you help him dull 3 smiley character?
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atypical_boro Posted on 25/11/2019 13:32

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And also depending on who you ask, they hate both Brexit and anti-Brexit.

Link: bias!
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superstu Posted on 25/11/2019 13:39

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Shopping list of promises...

[rle] 40 new hospitals
[rle] £500 each on national insurance
[rle] Brexit sorted by end of Jan

How can anyone think Kuensbergs not biased?
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superstu Posted on 25/11/2019 13:42

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Atypical, are all complaints and opinions equally valid? Or does that only apply when it suits your world view to say so?
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atypical_boro Posted on 25/11/2019 13:45
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All complaints are valid.

So all the people complaining the BBC are biased in favour of the EU and against the EU, and in favour of the Tories and against the Tories, and vice versa, are all right.

Though there are clearly some people who might pay some mind to the idea of bias being a consistent, persistent thing, rather than something that swings massively from programme to programme.

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free_pint Posted on 25/11/2019 14:10

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I'd say the BBC are in favour of remaining in the EU and in favour of centre right politics.
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jam69 Posted on 25/11/2019 14:14

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Fp [^]
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asredastheycome Posted on 25/11/2019 14:21

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So you think doctoring videos and misrepresenting the truth is ok lago
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mikeyyyy Posted on 25/11/2019 14:24

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ARATC - He has evidence to confirm the opposite apparently.

Lets reserve judgement until this evidence is put forward ......
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atypical_boro Posted on 25/11/2019 14:24
Edited On: 25/11/2019 14:25
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"I'd say the BBC are in favour of remaining in the EU and in favour of centre right politics."

Indeed, but there are many who think the BBC are anti-Johnson/pro-Corbyn and are anti-EU.

Surely, if the BBC had a genuine bias issue, it would be unanimously agreed where the bias was? Like it is in the Guardian/Daily Mail/Telegraph/New Statesmen etc.

Is there not a chance that some people are incapable of not seeing bias when a news broadcaster broadcasts something that doesn't perfectly marry up with their own subjective beliefs? Bias has to be consistent and persistent, not just snapshots cherry picked from a plethora of weekly content across TV/radio/online, many of which massively contradict each other.
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GazC_MFC Posted on 25/11/2019 14:28

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What’s the context behind the edit. Did the clip need editing to hit a certain time frame for the show?

If so would make sense to get the full answer and when it’s easier to hear surely

Playing devils advocate...
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free_pint Posted on 25/11/2019 14:29

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I'll be honest I've never seen the so-called pro-Corbyn bias, especially not to the level of the pro-Tory element.

I generally find when they praise Corbyn they will then try and balance it up with pro-Tory stuff. Whereas when they initially praise Tories, they will then slag Corbyn off to 'balance it'.

When it's TV interviews they'll generally be quite un-biased and go critical on both. However when they doctor videos and write clearly biased pieces it's worrying.
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Iago Posted on 25/11/2019 14:29

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"It's definitely the media that is biased and certainly not I, nor the unscrupulous frauds on Twitter"

[:D][:D][:D]
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GazC_MFC Posted on 25/11/2019 14:30

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Atypical, absolutely right on the button with subjectiveness.
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free_pint Posted on 25/11/2019 14:31

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Gaz- they claimed it was to hit a time frame, however they literally used the same phrase he used at a different time and replaced it. They also removed the laughing to change it to applauding Johnson as opposed to applauding of the question. It will have taken more time to edit it than it would have to put it out normally.
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mikeyyyy Posted on 25/11/2019 14:34

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"It's definitely the media that is biased and certainly not I, nor the unscrupulous frauds on Twitter"

Patiently awaits any (ANY) evidence to refute any of the above. Take your time, son.
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boromike85 Posted on 25/11/2019 14:36

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Where the bias is seen will depend on the content creator. Each one will have their own personal biases. Some of those biases should be eliminated through editing, although maybe not when the editor shares the same bias. A lot of the content these days though is unedited Twitter content so individual's personal biases will get through more often.

The fact that the majority of the BBC affairs team are Oxbridge and privately educated from wealthy backgrounds gives an indication of what their likely biases might be. They all live in London as well which is where their strong remain views come from.
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redwurzel Posted on 25/11/2019 14:37

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My experience of the BBC is that it is patchwork of influences, although it does not like to be radical in any direction, but encourages others to be radical to provoke a reaction in their opponents. For example it generally supported the Conservative Government and the NCB and Police during the miners strike of 1984/5. While Channel 4 at the time would produce some stories from the NUM and miners side such as the footage of the calvary charge by the Mounted Police at Orgreave and the serious injuries produced. Their news then was more balanced as it showed both sides.

On anti Tory side the BBC will produce documentaries on food banks, the treatment of the disabled, dubious tax avoidance schemes that a lot of other media will ignore or play down.
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Iago Posted on 25/11/2019 14:39

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"I don't understand that the burden of proof is on me to support my accusations of bias are legitimate with substance and reason, so why don't you prove my wacky conspiracies are wrong???"

[:D][:D][:D]
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GazC_MFC Posted on 25/11/2019 14:40

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I’ve seen the 15 second clip just now, they haven’t replaced laughter with clapping, it’s just where they have edited it

They’ve cut it to the the bit where you hear a full answer.

Nothing to see in my opinion. I’m pro Corbyn too

People looking to far into it
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atypical_boro Posted on 25/11/2019 14:46

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fp - see my link above regarding Corbyn only being interrupted 11 times, and Johnson 45 times.
To your standard Daily Mail or Sun reader, this indicates categorical bias against the Tories, and you need to show empathy towards that to still credibly claim the BBC are biased one way or the other.

"The fact that the majority of the BBC affairs team are Oxbridge and privately educated from wealthy backgrounds gives an indication of what their likely biases might be. They all live in London as well which is where their strong remain views come from."

Do you have any evidence of this mike? Have you dealt with the 'BBC affairs team' much? Also, regardless of their education, 48% of the electorate voted to remain, its not just a London thing. Of course, there are some staunch remainers, though, who think the BBC is anti-EU and pro-Brexit. So how do you explain that? Or do you think you have the 'bias' right on the money and all the other accusers are wrong?
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free_pint Posted on 25/11/2019 14:47
Edited On: 25/11/2019 14:48
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Edited:
https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1198255710875869185

Unedited:
https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1198256391837929472

There's a clear changing of the meaning from this. People were laughing at him because he can't be trusted, the edited version makes it look like they're applauding him. They've also edited his 'I think...I think...'
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atypical_boro Posted on 25/11/2019 14:48

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While there is such clear, diametrically opposed disagreement about where the bias lies, its quite easy for the BBC to laugh off most claims of bias TBH.
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free_pint Posted on 25/11/2019 14:52

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a-typical- was it the daily mail one? My browser won't open that because you can't use an adblocker on it.

I get where people think it's pro-bias against their sympathies etc as I said in interviews etc I think they do much better to avoid bias but the questioning will put one sides back out. It's more the political editing I have issues with.
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mikeyyyy Posted on 25/11/2019 14:55

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Except for the evidence is blatant.

Taking the answer of one question to show him confidently answering another is not right.

Especially when the original made him look like the actual bumbling idiot he is.
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mikeyyyy Posted on 25/11/2019 14:56

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Laura Kuennsberg to the rescue [fb]

"An antisemitism scandal has struck the Conservative Party, with two candidates facing accusations of alleged antisemitism. But instead of holding the party’s feet to the fire over its issues with racism, BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg attacked Labour instead. It’s starting to feel like there’s no crisis big enough Kuenssberg won’t overlook in service of the Conservatives."


Link: Laura Kuennsberg to the rescue
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atypical_boro Posted on 25/11/2019 14:56

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Yes, the Daily Mail one. The Sun and Mail are livid because Boris was interrupted 4 times as many as Jezza.

So you have two ends of the political spectrum, and two sides of the Brexit debate, all arguing about the BBC being biased in favour of the other. Not sure what the Corporation can do to avoid such accusations other than stop broadcasting, and let the *openly* biased media sources rule the roost.
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mikeyyyy Posted on 25/11/2019 14:58

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"Laura Kuenssberg scrapes rock bottom in a pathetic attempt to defend Boris Johnson’s manifesto"

"Boris Johnson launched the Conservative Party’s manifesto on 24 November. Perhaps unsurprisingly, given her previous record, the BBC‘s political editor Laura Kuenssberg couldn’t wait to defend it. But luckily, Twitter users were on hand to set the record straight and ensure her response got the takedown it deserved."

Link: Laura Kuenssberg to the rescue.
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Iago Posted on 25/11/2019 15:03

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"I will support my so-called argument by posting links to that well known reputable news source - The Canary, that is no way renowned for absurd bias itself, nor promotes conspiracies and definitely has never has advertisers pulled support because of its reputation for publishing fake news."

[:D][:D][:D]
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mikeyyyy Posted on 25/11/2019 15:09

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Got any examples to the contrary yet?

"frantically googles and can't find anything so reluctantly undermines the argument with fake quotes followed by a smiley face" [:D]
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boromike85 Posted on 25/11/2019 15:10

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"Do you have any evidence of this mike? Have you dealt with the 'BBC affairs team' much? Also, regardless of their education, 48% of the electorate voted to remain, its not just a London thing. Of course, there are some staunch remainers, though, who think the BBC is anti-EU and pro-Brexit. So how do you explain that? Or do you think you have the 'bias' right on the money and all the other accusers are wrong?"

It's all publicly available information. Like politicians, journalism is massively over-represented by privately educated Oxbridge graduates. It is one of the industries which requires unpaid internships that heavily favours wealthy people and jobs are much more likely to be given to connections than via merit.

48% of the public did vote remain, I don't refute that but London was 60% remain and among highly educated and affluent city dweller etc that percentage is even higher. Journalists in London sit well within the demographic for right of centre and pro-remain. That is inarguable. It doesn't mean that they all share the same opinion as that demographic but it increases the likelihood of them doing so.
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Iago Posted on 25/11/2019 15:21

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"Bastani and Mendonza are honourable and trustworthy people. Why would they ever lie or manipulate information? It's not like they have their own media websites wholly dependant on advertising revenue to support them and so create cherrypicked clickbait stories for thickos to like and share."

[:D][:D][:D]
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free_pint Posted on 25/11/2019 15:29

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I think this proves it..

Link: BBC admits another 'mistake'
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mikeyyyy Posted on 25/11/2019 15:31

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As if it was right on Q. [^]

Like it was ever in doubt.

These "mistakes" are adding up aren't they...
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atypical_boro Posted on 25/11/2019 15:44

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"Journalists in London sit well within the demographic for right of centre and pro-remain. That is inarguable. It doesn't mean that they all share the same opinion as that demographic but it increases the likelihood of them doing so."

Lots of assumptions here Mike. I don't completely disagree with all of your assumptions, but they are assumptions nonetheless and some of them are certainly not inarguable. I'd also like to see the public information you're referring to which have helped you form these pretty damning conclusions.
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1finny Posted on 25/11/2019 15:47

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LK - has form. Censured by the BBC for making stuff about Corbyn at the last election.

Its difficult for the beeb. ‘They’ are clearly not biased but people who work for them will be.
Andrew Neil is pretty good at dealing with all sort of politicians and is an alleged ‘blue’.
Fiona Bruce looked like she was on form for the debate last week (just say a few snippets)
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Trug Posted on 25/11/2019 15:58

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BBC apologises for bias

Link: Link.......
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boromike85 Posted on 25/11/2019 16:00

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"Lots of assumptions here Mike. I don't completely disagree with all of your assumptions, but they are assumptions nonetheless and some of them are certainly not inarguable. I'd also like to see the public information you're referring to which have helped you form these pretty damning conclusions."

They are assumptions but they are fair assumptions. I didn't say my opinion or any assumption was inarguable. What is inarguable is the demographic of journalists.

As for the publicly available information, pretty much all of the BBC team have a wikipedia page detailing their education. You can probably understand why I can't be bothered to trawl through them all to prove a point, hence the assumptions. Look at some of them though and I'm sure you'll spot a trend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BBC_newsreaders_and_reporters

This link below shows 44% of news columnists were privately educated.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-48745333
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asredastheycome Posted on 25/11/2019 16:50

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Come election night Kuensberg will be dressed bin blue and Norman Smith will be wearing a blue tie. Like at the 2017 election.
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atypical_boro Posted on 25/11/2019 17:14
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Mike, I'm not sure quite what demographic you're placing on it that is inarguable. You say there's a higher representation of Oxbridge graduates, which I can believe amongst the senior presenters and editorial chiefs, but then acknowledge that only 44% of general news columnists (not BBC) are privately educated. Higher than many other professions of course, but where do the BBC's privately educated and Oxbridge 'columnist' numbers stack up against other journalistic sources? Not many on the list you sent are Oxbridge educated anyway.

And even then, how does that explain the Daily Mail calling out Fiona Bruce for interrupting Boris Johnson way more than Corbyn? She's privately educated and formerly of Oxbridge, why isn't she on Boris' side if we're making assumptions? Is it because her Mum is Scottish? Might as well throw a few more assumptions in.
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boromike85 Posted on 25/11/2019 18:36

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You're missing the point but I'm not sure why.

People have their own biases. BBC staff are people. As journalists they are more likely to be privately educated and come from an affluent background. They are likely to live in London. On average the majority of them will fall into the demographic that votes Conservative and voted Remain. Therefore on average those displayed biases will show for Conservative and for Remain in their work.

They are assumptions but they are fair.
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JCis50 Posted on 25/11/2019 19:30

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On the subject of Fiona Bruce interrupting Doris more than Corbyn. At the start of each segment she clearly stated that she wanted a lot of questions asked and answered and that she would interrupt if the Party Leader was not answering or going on too long. So it meant she interrupted Boris a lot more as he was going on too long and was not answering any XXXXXX questions. If you can’t see that your a XXXXXX idiot.
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atypical_boro Posted on 25/11/2019 23:40

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Mike - what proportion of BBC journalists would you say live in London proper? Do you know how much the average BBC journo earns?

JCis50 - your final sentence sums the whole thing up.

The Daily Mail and Sun readers who think the nasty Lefty BBC snowflake journo (who happens to be Oxbridge/privately educated like Boris) was interrupting him to derail him purposefully, whilst letting the Marxist Corbyn brainwash the population and make sure we all still have to pay a socialist licence fee. And anyone who can’t see that is an idiot.

The Corbyn supporters think that the BBC is pandering to the government to ensure its existence and that they want to smear Corbyn in order that the status quo is maintained because Corbyn will tax their “over-inflated salaries” and do away with the “public schools they were all educated at”. And anyone who can’t see THAT is an idiot.

As I say, I’m pretty sure the Corporation won’t change editorial policy too much until all the people who can see exactly what’s going on have agreed exactly who the idiots are.
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Billogcentral Posted on 26/11/2019 03:36

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BBC isn't bias, it does its level best to give a balanced opinion of UK public. As I would be classed as a right winger, there are many occasions where I think BBC were bias towards the left. But take a step back and the they are as unbiased as I think we could a hieve. We dont want to be a CNN or Fox News
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atypical_boro Posted on 26/11/2019 09:12

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Billog [^]

So many people really can't see that the 'bias' they see is purely a result of their own bias.
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Muttley Posted on 26/11/2019 09:53

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I do think that there some issues of impartiality that need to be questioned when looking at the BBC coverage of the election. One has been their seeming reluctance to challenge spoken untruths. The other has been editing of footage showing Johnson in a bad light. His shambolic appearance at the Cenotaph "accidentally" replaced by old footage of him at a previous Remembrance Day and the removal of the audience reaction from the Question Time clip. The first one I am prepared to accept could well have been accidental the second was certainly more sophisticated than the explanation that the clip was "shortened".

I think there have been good things, for example Andrew Neil and the Question Time episode gave all the leaders a pretty hard time.

I think that C4 News has done a better job of challenging politicians of all colours. Not seen much of Sky or ITV to compare.
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boromike85 Posted on 26/11/2019 10:12

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atypical is still not getting it.

The BBC as an organisation aren't inherently biased but the individuals in it will all have their own biases. It's only natural. The demographic skews right of centre and to remain therefore on balance there is more bias in those directions.

It's not necessarily intentional in the way CNN or FOX are but the individuals will naturally have biases that creep into their work. It is impossible to be 100% impartial, 100% of the time when you have an opinion. It doesn't have to be blatant like the Johnson footage but paying particular attention to something/one or making excuses for certain things that you might not do for the opposite opinion happens, especially in the unedited live streams and Twitter posts.
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atypical_boro Posted on 26/11/2019 10:22

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No, I 'get' your argument Mike, I just think you're wrong with your sweeping assumptions about the demographics and which way they are 'skewed'. They're just your perception, and not really based on anything factual.

You're making assumptions that the majority of BBC journalists are high earners living in London, which really isn't the case. Your average BBC journalist can't afford to live in London and, at best, is commuting into London from less affluent towns in the home counties and/or south midlands, but that's aside from the fact that a large proportion of them don't even work in London.

Some of the presenters ARE high earners living in London and privately educated, like Fiona Bruce, who according to the Mail and Sun has it in for Boris despite being 'centre right' in your eyes.
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mikeyyyy Posted on 02/12/2019 15:55

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Following on from the BBC


Story confirming what we already knew.

Even with the Tories having a huge media advantage Labour are still closing the gap. It's really quite remarkable.

General election: British newspapers' attacks on Labour have intensified while Tories continue to get positive coverage, study finds

Labour faced overwhelmingly negative coverage in the first week with a -71.17 ranking, dropping to -71.96 in the second week and -75.79 last week.

Watch more

Election coverage becoming increasingly 'presidential'
This compared to a positive +29.98 for the Conservatives in the first week, falling to +17.86 in the second week and +15.87 in the third week.

"The high levels of newspaper negativity towards Labour identified in the first week of the campaign were sustained into week 2 and increased marginally in week 3," the report said.

The remaining parties fluctuated around the baseline, with the Lib Dems ranging from -15 in the first week, to +6 the second week and -11 last week. The SNP remained between -4 and -6, while the Brexit Party went from -20 to -2.35 during that time.

Link: Negative press coverage of Labour's election
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