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ZippytheHippy Posted on 08/11/2019 21:52
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Dont really care anymore but for balance.
Go on "lefties" do your best

Link: link
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xxlshirts_fit_all Posted on 08/11/2019 22:25

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i'll bite...

a bit misleading your title...

yes he said a word that is viewd by some as offensive, i had no idea it was...

its doubtful if he used it as a derogatory name specifically for someone jewish...

he has appologised and fallen on his sword...

i mean its not like hes said picaninnies, watermellon smiles or looking like letterboxes is it[rle]
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jam69 Posted on 08/11/2019 22:28

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never knew that term was antisemitic either, mind not heard it used for a decade
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Cooper6711 Posted on 08/11/2019 22:46

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Think point is if a Tory said something similar and fell on his sword... that wouldn’t be deemed acceptable to some on here but it is if it’s labour.

There’s a thread about JRM in 1997 on here... is that worse than that? No...
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two_banks_of_four Posted on 08/11/2019 22:58

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If you don't know that Shylock as a character is a summation of pretty much every antisemitic trope going you are too stupid to be in parliament. And a councillor for that matter.
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two_banks_of_four Posted on 08/11/2019 22:58

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If you don't know that Shylock as a character is a summation of pretty much every antisemitic trope going you are too stupid to be in parliament. And a councillor for that matter.
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 08/11/2019 23:01

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Meanwhile the very next story on that website



Link: For balance not all moronic councillors are Lab
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free_pint Posted on 08/11/2019 23:03

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I'll be honest I'd never heard that word before nor heard anyone even use it. I wouldn't have had a clue what he meant if I'd heard it.

However, hes apologised and now stood down. So its dealt with in terms of an election prospect. He'll be held to an internal investigation within the party.

No need for any whataboutery in terms of other parties.
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mikeyyyy Posted on 08/11/2019 23:03

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Out of curiosity, is there any particular reason that the media never confirm any of these incidents ARE antisemetic?

They always say things like "row over antisemitism" or "accused of antisemitism" etc etc.

Surely if these incidents were TRULY antisemetic it would be confirmed as such?

A more cynical person would probably suggest the right are trying to conflate true antisemitism with being critical of the Israeli regime. Luckily I am no such cynic....
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skazza Posted on 09/11/2019 00:19

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"Luckily I am no such cynic...."

You probably should be, to be honest.
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asredastheycome Posted on 09/11/2019 01:19

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"If you don't know that Shylock as a character is a summation of pretty much every antisemitic trope going"

First let me say this is in bad taste but I have no idea about Shylock. I know its from a Shakespeare play. Would guess its The Merchant of Venice but never seen it. In fact only been to one Shakespeare play ever. Henry 1V parts one and two and that's one Saturday in my life I'll never get back.
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xxlshirts_fit_all Posted on 09/11/2019 01:47

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Cooper.... that may have been his point but it’s irrelevent...

Most of the tories that gaffe follow it up with lies and bluster then try to change their story before doing the decent thing and falling on the sword...

Then you get the leader who lies, offends, lies again, fails to keep promises and still “leads” the country down the garden path and still has people supporting him knowing he’s gonna screw them over in time...
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mikeyyyy Posted on 09/11/2019 08:41

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I'd never heard the word shylock until yesterday, so I think its resonable to think he didn't know the origins. However, it is a coincidence he said it towards a Jewish man.

And some whataboutery now - meanwhile Swinson hammering the antisemitism lines while refusing to sack a racism denier. Pot kettle.
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Muttley Posted on 09/11/2019 09:13

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Not much of a story is it? Labour candidate makes an offensive remark, apologises and stands down. The End.
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Greenandblack Posted on 09/11/2019 09:19

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What's troubling about this story is that Labour is selecting candidates who don't understand the connotation of Shylock.
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Fabios_porkpie_provider Posted on 09/11/2019 09:26

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I’m another that can be put in the ‘I’ve never heard the word Shylock before (I’m clearly not as well read as some of the Tories who seem to think it’s a horrendously offensive term) but if it’s offensive and has anti-Semitic connotations then it’s good that the guy in question has apologised and stood down’ camp.
Surely this is a positive story??
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Sortie Posted on 09/11/2019 09:28

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He stood down earlier in the week so we have to resurrect it again.

What's Boris' understanding of his Brexit deal today, are forms needed for goods to go from NI to Eire?
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bear66 Posted on 09/11/2019 09:36

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yes . . . and no . . . and yes . . but . . .
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bear66 Posted on 09/11/2019 09:41

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"What's troubling about this story is that Labour is selecting candidates who don't understand the connotation of Shylock."

It appears a lot of people don't based on this thread. Interesting discussion on Newsnight as to how one vets for anything you might have said in the last 25 years. In this instance it wasn't on social media or a recorded event but something recalled from a verbal statement. He claims, like many above, that he didn't realise it was a Jewish slur. If your statement suggests training should be given to councillors on what constitutes anti-semitism or racism, I agree. And every party should do the same. The Tories don't even have ant-semitism in their code of conduct, leave alone a definition.
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TrickBag Posted on 09/11/2019 09:50

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Wonder when the Equality and Human Rights Commission report is due?
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Greenandblack Posted on 09/11/2019 09:52

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***It appears a lot of people don't based on this thread. Interesting discussion on Newsnight as to how one vets for anything you might have said in the last 25 years. In this instance it wasn't on social media or a recorded event but something recalled from a verbal statement. He claims, like many above, that he didn't realise it was a Jewish slur. If your statement suggests training should be given to councillors on what constitutes anti-semitism or racism, I agree. And every party should do the same. The Tories don't even have ant-semitism in their code of conduct, leave alone a definition.***

Yes, but (as far as I know) the people on this thread are not standing for Parliament at the next election. People who stand to be MPs need to have attained a level of education that surpasses fundamental mistakes like this. MPs shouldn't have to be trained to avoid making mistakes that betray a lack of intelligence and education, or both.
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BlindBoyGrunt1 Posted on 09/11/2019 09:52

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"Shylock is the antagonist and a tragic character in William Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice. A Jewish merchant living in a Christian city, he comes across as greedy, jealous and vengeful. As opposed to his anti-Semitic nemesis and fellow businessman, Antonio, Shylock charges interest on his loans."
In short, Shylock was an anti-Semitic trope when the play was written and yet Shakespeare is revered.

Meanwhile in the real world Jews are being bullied, threatened and cowed into silence by if they so much as voice support for Jeremy Corbyn's Labour party.

Zionists are endangering Jews.

Link: Link.
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Muttley Posted on 09/11/2019 09:54

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"What's troubling about this story is that Labour is selecting candidates who don't understand the connotation of Shylock."

Really? Why?

Of course if he was a good old Public School educated chap he would undoubtedly be familiar with all the works of The Bard and have been able to elucidate his prejudices in Latin and Greek which would be perfectly acceptable. No?
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bear66 Posted on 09/11/2019 09:57

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"People who stand to be MPs need to have attained a level of education that surpasses fundamental mistakes like this."

That is nonsense.
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Muttley Posted on 09/11/2019 10:05

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Agreed. How on earth would you expect anyone at all to be fully aware of all Anti Semitic tropes? And that is before you consider Anti Islamic, Anti Catholic or any other of the myriad religions, creeds, beliefs and other artificial ways we separate ourselves from other members of our species.

Tosh.
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TrickBag Posted on 09/11/2019 10:05

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If you prick them do they not bleed?
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Muttley Posted on 09/11/2019 10:08

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Morning Bruce.
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TrickBag Posted on 09/11/2019 10:12

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Bit calmer today mutt...well done[^]
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free_pint Posted on 09/11/2019 10:16

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Having had it explained on here, I have heard of the word as Shakespeare piece of work. Only through someone playing Shylok in the play on a TV programme, but I wouldn't have known it was meant as an antisemitic trope still. As someone said above it doesn't leave a good taste on Shakespeare in that case?
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TrickBag Posted on 09/11/2019 10:21

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Come on.. you must of heard of the term 'pound of flesh' and the stereotype of Jews as avaricious money lenders?

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free_pint Posted on 09/11/2019 10:23

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Of course I've heard of the 'greedy jew' line, I was just unaware that Shylok was presented like that. I've not seen the play.
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TrickBag Posted on 09/11/2019 10:35

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So what did you think ‘Shylock’ meant?
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free_pint Posted on 09/11/2019 10:44

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I'd only ever heard it on Suits when Louis plays Shylok, so I assumed it to just be a character. It wasnt even something that crossed my mind til it was explained on here.

I'm surprised it's still a play if it has such connotations?
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Greenandblack Posted on 09/11/2019 12:18

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***Agreed. How on earth would you expect anyone at all to be fully aware of all Anti Semitic tropes? And that is before you consider Anti Islamic, Anti Catholic or any other of the myriad religions, creeds, beliefs and other artificial ways we separate ourselves from other members of our species.***

Come on. You can't have people governing the country and representing Britain abroad who don't know what construes a racial or religious slur. This is not some arcane biblical reference, it's about as derogatory and disparaging as it gets.

People on here regularly hurl terms like 'Yank', 'Sweatie', 'Kraut' et al without knowing whether they're derogatory or not. No thought of moderating what they say, and the same seems to be true of this Labour candidate.
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bear66 Posted on 09/11/2019 12:20

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I'm more worried about racial slurs from our elected MPs, including the PM.
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mikeyyyy Posted on 09/11/2019 12:24

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Greenandblack.

Is that better or worse that knowing something is inherently racist but saying it regardless?

"Letterboxes", "Picanninnies" & "Watermelon smiles" - The current Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
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borobuddah Posted on 09/11/2019 12:45

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Being pro Palestine and ant-Zionist does not equal anti-semitism
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Boro_Bosco Posted on 09/11/2019 12:59

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"Picanninnies" & "Watermelon smiles" - The current Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

Have you ever read the article?
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Greenandblack Posted on 09/11/2019 13:19

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***Being pro Palestine and ant-Zionist does not equal anti-semitism***

It’s possible to be a staunch critic of Zionism and not to be anti-Semitic, but mostly you find that the two go together.
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mikeyyyy Posted on 09/11/2019 13:21

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Funny, that's what he said when asked by Andrew Marr.

To be clear, I have read the articles and he did say these things.

Anything more to add on the point of our Prime Minister being a racist?
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 09/11/2019 13:24

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It's not simply hearsay when it comes to Johnson. Still waiting for any evidence with regards to Corbyn.
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Boro_Bosco Posted on 09/11/2019 13:26
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Nobody says he didn't use those words but you have to put them into the context of the article. He was describing Tony Blairs opinion of himself as the big white saviour.
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borobuddah Posted on 09/11/2019 13:28

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I haven’t done a survey on it greenandblack.

But you are wrong
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plazmuh Posted on 09/11/2019 13:29

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The Elite must Love you fella as they are the

only ones now interested in your Vote..

Keeping their Tax havens open is

exactly what they need..

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mikeyyyy Posted on 09/11/2019 13:41

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Calling muslims letterboxes was in reference to being the white saviour?
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Boro_Bosco Posted on 09/11/2019 13:45

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I never mentioned letterboxes.
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Boro_Bosco Posted on 09/11/2019 13:49
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Double post
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mikeyyyy Posted on 09/11/2019 13:54

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I did, did you deliberately ignore it because it couldn't be justified?
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Boro_Bosco Posted on 09/11/2019 14:09

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I ignore it because though it may not be very nice to say people look stupid for wearing certain clothing because of their religous beliefs it is not racist.

What would have been much worse in my mind is if he had said they should be banned from wearing it which of course he was arguing against.
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Cooper6711 Posted on 09/11/2019 14:48

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Dan Carden shadow international development secretary accused today... singing “Hey Jews” along to Hey Jude. Not going well for them
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JackG Posted on 09/11/2019 14:58

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I'm disappointed that any of these candidates felt the need to step down. The Shylock reference may be regrettable but seems to be the result of ignorance, rather than malice. The other remarks were fair comment, as was Johnson's picanninies/ watermelon smiles article.
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BlindBoyGrunt1 Posted on 09/11/2019 17:37

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"Dan Carden shadow international development secretary accused today... singing “Hey Jews” along to Hey Jude. Not going well for them"

This alleged incident happened nearly two years ago on a bus full of journalists and MPs. I wonder why it is being reported only now?
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TrickBag Posted on 09/11/2019 17:46

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Wonder why the allegations of Boris Johnson touching Robert Peston's girlfriend's leg twenty years ago only just came out?
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BlindBoyGrunt1 Posted on 09/11/2019 18:11

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How many allegations have there been about Johnson in his life?
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JackG Posted on 09/11/2019 18:17

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The 'Peston's girlfriend' allegations were in all the papers weeks ago

Link: Peston's girlfriend
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Dick59 Posted on 09/11/2019 18:52

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It is harsh to judge Shakespeare on modern values but there are those that argue this was his way of confronting anti-semitism like Johnny Spreight did with his creation Alf Garnett confronted rascism.
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