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archiestephens_elbow Posted on 08/11/2019 09:02
I daniel Blake
 
Watched this film last night.

Very powerful film.

Wow.

Link:
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canyoudigit Posted on 08/11/2019 09:07

I daniel Blake
Superb film, ken loach has a new one just out called sorry we missed you,looking forward to seeing it.
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Dick59 Posted on 08/11/2019 10:36

I daniel Blake
He was awesome on QT a couple of weeks ago[^]
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uberweiss Posted on 08/11/2019 11:06

I daniel Blake
The XXXXXXney bird is a right mucky cow [^]
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 08/11/2019 11:18

I daniel Blake
ďSorry I Missed YouĒ is an attack on the Gig economy.

Looking forward to seeing it.
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Badonde Posted on 08/11/2019 20:25

I daniel Blake
Too sad.
Respect Loach but found it a tough watch.
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jam69 Posted on 08/11/2019 20:29

I daniel Blake
shows the price of putting that X next to a tory candidate
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redwurzel Posted on 08/11/2019 21:01

I daniel Blake
When I first watched it was hard to believe what went on with the Job Centres and DWP in the film. In the last 2.5 years I have seen stuff much worse then on I Daniel Blake. When you see it its hard to believe it goes on in the UK, but explains the explosion in Food Banks.
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wyliefan Posted on 08/11/2019 23:04

I daniel Blake
Great film and performances.
Another worth h a look at is Ray & Liz by Richard Billingham
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r00fie1 Posted on 08/11/2019 23:10

I daniel Blake
Its reliving a daily experience for millions. It grinds like a broken elbow.
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Cooper6711 Posted on 09/11/2019 00:12

I daniel Blake
You do realise itís fiction?
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r00fie1 Posted on 09/11/2019 00:14

I daniel Blake
Might be fiction to you, but do you understand what millions are having to endure?
The Daily Mail nor the BBC benefit from showing the truth - only fabricating it.
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Cooper6711 Posted on 09/11/2019 00:18

I daniel Blake
I know some of the decisions taken to stop the benefit are not the procedure taken by the DWP
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ThePenguin Posted on 09/11/2019 00:18

I daniel Blake
Would that be the same BBC whose film production arm partly funded this film, roofie?
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 09/11/2019 05:47

I daniel Blake
Ken Loach is well in his comfort zone with Daniel Blake.

Its grim up north.
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Joy_Division_Oven_Gloves Posted on 09/11/2019 06:24

I daniel Blake
The aim of the Tories is to get people of benefits, which is very different to getting people into work - this is very evident in I Daniel Blake.
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jam69 Posted on 09/11/2019 08:55

I daniel Blake
unemployment comes down by millions and yet the tax intake barely reflects that, tells you that the majority of these jobs are so poorly paid that there's no tax due , and/or there's thousands getting sanctioned and therefore not included in the unemployment figures.
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pierrequiroule Posted on 09/11/2019 09:42

I daniel Blake
That's a point he addresses in 'Sorry We Missed You' which I watched a few weeks ago in France.
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Konrad_the_Barbarian Posted on 09/11/2019 09:49
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I daniel Blake
"Sorry I Missed You is an attack on the Gig economy"

Yeh, made entirely by gigging actors and actresses, camera crews, sound crews ....... etc, etc. Or does Loach put everyone he uses on permanent contracts with full holiday, sickness and pension rights [rle].

Where there's a socialist there's a hypocrite [^]
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SmogOnOuseburn Posted on 09/11/2019 11:36

I daniel Blake
Such a pathetic comment Konrad. You even gave yourself a [^].
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Konrad_the_Barbarian Posted on 09/11/2019 12:55

I daniel Blake
So not true the Smog ????????

The entertainment industry is where the name Gig comes from. All actors and actresses are "gigging". Loach doesn't seem to see the irony that his own industry is completely based on the gig economy. Why doesn't he make a film about struggling actors having no job security and having to take on loads of jobs to make ends meet.

Oh and the [^] was part of the statement, not for me. Very much as an exclamation mark would be.

Where there's a socialist there's a hypocrite [^]
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pierrequiroule Posted on 09/11/2019 13:28

I daniel Blake
You obviously haven't seen the film yet or you'd realise there's a massive difference between what you are talking about and the subject of the film. But you probably know that don't you.
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BoroFur Posted on 09/11/2019 13:45

I daniel Blake
Konrad, some occupations e.g. acting, have relied on gigging since time began regardless of the prevailing economic and political landscape.

Not acknowledging that the policies of the Tory Party create the type of poverty and social depravation dramatised in I Daniel Blake is quite frankly delusional.
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Konrad_the_Barbarian Posted on 09/11/2019 13:48

I daniel Blake
Ah right so everyone in Ken Loach's films are on permanent contracts with full employment rights, guaranteed hours, holiday entitlement and sick pay ?

Good for Ken. I take it all back [rle]

Of course it's the same. Or do these people not have families, mortgages, rents, car loans & bills to pay.

I don't need to see the film to know what angle Ken will have put on it. Perhaps he should do another I Daniel Blake only showing if from the perspective of DWP staff. Highlighting the daily verbal abuse and threats of physical violence that Job Centre staff are subjected to by the self entitled & great unwashed. This would be much closer to fact than his making them out to be some equivalent to concentration camp guards.

I

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Konrad_the_Barbarian Posted on 09/11/2019 13:53

I daniel Blake
That's rather my point Borofur. Loach is a hypocrite.

Making a film criticising the gig economy whilst lining his own pockets employing gigging actors and film crew to do so.

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bear66 Posted on 09/11/2019 13:56

I daniel Blake
I'm sure the actors' union would be up in arms if they believe their members are being exploited.
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BoroFur Posted on 09/11/2019 14:00

I daniel Blake
Konan you are being deliberately obtuse. Good luck fella.
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icarus1965 Posted on 09/11/2019 14:04

I daniel Blake
DWP staff are right nasty and I Daniel Blake showed them in a better light.

If you not seen the movie you can't comment on it , and by the way you a complete whopper and knobber !
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Konrad_the_Barbarian Posted on 09/11/2019 14:18

I daniel Blake
I rest my case ........ [rle]
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Cooper6711 Posted on 09/11/2019 14:43

I daniel Blake
The DWP staff are right nasty?

What an idiot. As Konrad states should make one from the other perspective. Imagine trying to get some people on JSA jobs when they have no intention of getting one. Itís a thankless task trying to help someone who doesnít want help...and then to have people like you who have no knowledge of the workings of the department making stupid comments just adds to it
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icarus1965 Posted on 09/11/2019 15:02

I daniel Blake
Cooper i know more about the dwp than you'll ever know

answer me what percentage of targets for sanctions does each job centre get ?

Cooper i new you were a bell end but you are the biggest D1CK HEAD EVER TO POST ON THIS BOARD.
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SmogOnOuseburn Posted on 09/11/2019 15:06

I daniel Blake
Konrad, I never said that you were wrong that Loach made a film using the same methods that film makers have for ever.
I said that your comment was pathetic. Accusing Leach of being a hypocrite was indeed pathetic.
And giving your comments a thumbs up is, in my view, smug and pathetic.
You have no ďcase to restĒ.
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Cooper6711 Posted on 09/11/2019 15:09

I daniel Blake
No job centre has any targets for sanctions and anyone who believes that need to take the tin foil hats of their heads.

The policy in the job centres now is the last thing you should do is sanction a customer. A work coach cannot sanction a customer, nor can their manager. It has be passed up 2 grades to be reviewed, checked and then given the ok.

That approach was personally brought in by J P Marks the director general. I was in a meeting with him a few weeks back in Leeds where we discussed both job centres and other benefits including ESA

So yeah I do know a little bit and the fact you think their are sanction targets shows you donít
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Derek_Duvall Posted on 09/11/2019 15:10

I daniel Blake
Depressing comments from Konrad and Cooper. May you never find yourselves in this predicament.

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icarus1965 Posted on 09/11/2019 15:14

I daniel Blake
COOPER do you vote Tory ?
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Cooper6711 Posted on 09/11/2019 15:20

I daniel Blake
How is it depressing comments. Itís simply fact and the truth. Just because it doesnít fit your narrative. You prefer a lie instead?

And actually no Iíve voted labour every election since 2005 ( when i was old enough to vote) sorry to burst your bubble
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bear66 Posted on 09/11/2019 15:22

I daniel Blake
I find the sad cases I see at the food bank I volunteer at every week depressing.
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jam69 Posted on 09/11/2019 15:24

I daniel Blake
can't shoot the message, shoot the messenger, usual tory tactics
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icarus1965 Posted on 09/11/2019 15:31
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I daniel Blake
People who use to worked with the DWP has confirmed each job centre does has sanction targets and it's 67%..

Cooper do you vote Tory YES OR NO ?
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Cooper6711 Posted on 09/11/2019 15:35

I daniel Blake
Iíve told you that no job centre in the country has a target, how a sanction works in the job centre, who introduced that approach and who Iíve voted for in every election. Did you not see any of that or you just choosing to ignore it itís not the answer you want?
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icarus1965 Posted on 09/11/2019 15:44

I daniel Blake
provide proof that job centres don't have sanction targets and sanctions are rarely mentioned in a job centre !!!

off you pop and find that info.
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ThePenguin Posted on 09/11/2019 15:51
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I daniel Blake
Why would there exist evidence to something he states doesn't exist?
And surely the onus is on you to provide proof of your claims.
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icarus1965 Posted on 09/11/2019 15:54

I daniel Blake
I,ve called his hand first !
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icarus1965 Posted on 09/11/2019 15:54

I daniel Blake
I,ve called his hand first !
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Cooper6711 Posted on 09/11/2019 15:58

I daniel Blake
I donít have to provide anything.... the targets donít excist. You stated you know more about the DWP than I ever will... which you clearly donít which I think Iíve demonstrated quite well.

Think Iíll just leave you to stew as you donít listen and only want info to fit your agenda. Have a nice day now if you can calm down enough
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icarus1965 Posted on 09/11/2019 16:00

I daniel Blake
well read this !, why would job centres do sanctions as the reasons below !

Link: sanctions don't exist
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Fabios_porkpie_provider Posted on 09/11/2019 16:08

I daniel Blake
Dear me Konad, there is some dumbness in your posts in this thread, even by your standards.
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bear66 Posted on 09/11/2019 16:09

I daniel Blake
A quick google came up with a lot of links to how performance 'improvements' are encouraged from DWP staff.
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Cooper6711 Posted on 09/11/2019 16:21

I daniel Blake
The policy in the job centres now is the last thing you should do is sanction a customer. A work coach cannot sanction a customer, nor can their manager. It has be passed up 2 grades to be reviewed, checked and then given the ok.

That approach was personally brought in by J P Marks the director general. I was in a meeting with him a few weeks back in Leeds where we discussed both job centres and other benefits including ESA

Right one more time... see my comment above ďthe approach NOWĒ not in 2015!!! As you link goes back too.

There was in the past a tendency to sanction. That approach has gone! And itís complete opposite approach now hence why I have stated the director general brought them measures in himself. A work coach has to go 2 grades up to authorise a sanction.

That is how it works now in a job centre.... not 4 years ago. You can choose to believe old articles rather than up to date info as it fits your agenda if you so wish
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sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 09/11/2019 16:23

I daniel Blake
Probably the dumbest argument I've ever read in 20 odd years of reading this forum. I think Conrad deserves some sort of award. [:D]
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icarus1965 Posted on 09/11/2019 16:24

I daniel Blake
Ceri Padley, 26, had her benefits sanctioned after she missed an appointment at the jobcentre - because she was at a job interview.
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icarus1965 Posted on 09/11/2019 16:27

I daniel Blake
Care to comment the front page of the gazette the other day about the work assessment for a disabled person ?
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ThePenguin Posted on 09/11/2019 16:28

I daniel Blake
Icarus, where is the evidence that Job Centres are operating with sanction targets of 67%? This was your claim. You appear to have shifted your argument now to something else.
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icarus1965 Posted on 09/11/2019 16:29
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I daniel Blake
whistle blowers from ex dwp staff i have spoken to ..

do you think the dwp are going to leave a paper trail. d!ckhead

Link: sanctions don't exist
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ThePenguin Posted on 09/11/2019 16:33

I daniel Blake
Oh dear. Losing your rag and throwing childish insults around when you're called out. Surely jam69 will be along to reprimand you for abuse. Grow up.
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icarus1965 Posted on 09/11/2019 16:38

I daniel Blake
I bet you're a TORY IN TAX FUNDED JOB ?
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ThePenguin Posted on 09/11/2019 16:39

I daniel Blake
[:D]

Are you bigrichard's alter ego?
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Cooper6711 Posted on 09/11/2019 16:40

I daniel Blake
This is brilliant made up nonsense... ex DWP staff. Who clearly left prior to the approach that is now in place which I have quoted numerous times.

Yeah I commented last week when it was posted on here. It wasnít a health assessment as worded by the gazette. When you claim Universal Credit the automatic approach is you attend a face to face interview and provide proof of who you are. That interview would have been organised automatically by the computer. Quite clearly he shouldnít have had to attend but staff in the job centres are limited to what info they can access like PIP/ESA. Obviously your agenda is something like nazi job centre staff make disabled boy attend work assessment. When in reality it was a computer generated letter appointment. But yes he shouldnít have to attend, that was recognised and stated he wonít in future which was the correct thing to do
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icarus1965 Posted on 09/11/2019 16:41

I daniel Blake
...

Link: sanctions don't exist
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 09/11/2019 16:47

I daniel Blake
These are only the cases which have reached the press. How many are being denied what is rightfully theirs?
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Cooper6711 Posted on 09/11/2019 16:48

I daniel Blake
Not quite sure why you insist on posting articles from 2015 but whatever floats your boat.

Itís just shows you do not listen to anything thatís been posted
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1finny Posted on 09/11/2019 16:56

I daniel Blake
It is a difficult watch - thatís for sure.
When the film first came out Loach came in for a lot of stick from those saying he was way off the mark.
He has countered this by giving details of the research.
Up to everyone who they want to believe, I guess.

Must admit though - asking someone to supply evidence for something they say doesnít exist sounds a bit tricky to me.
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bear66 Posted on 09/11/2019 17:00

I daniel Blake
Perhaps they can do society a good deed and volunteer at a foodbank and find out what's happened in the real world.
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bear66 Posted on 09/11/2019 17:00

I daniel Blake
Perhaps they can do society a good deed and volunteer at a foodbank and find out what's happened in the real world.
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