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autism_awareness Posted on 07/11/2019 19:07
Anyone recommend a broadband only service?
 
If l can possibly do this without a land line the better as l don't barely ever use it or receive calls . I do all my communication via mobile or internet.

I am currently with virgin media and want to cancel my basic TV package, landline and broadband for a possible broadband only service elsewhere.

Recommendations greatly appreciated.

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TheFair86 Posted on 07/11/2019 19:13

Anyone recommend a broadband only service?
Bizarrely its usually cheaper to have a landline even if you do not use it than it is to unbundle it.

Shell I think are the cheapest 12 month contract
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Kosovo Posted on 07/11/2019 19:38
Edited On: 07/11/2019 19:48
Anyone recommend a broadband only service?
Last week Virginmedia had a offer for new customers. £24 100Mbps broadband only. Not sure if itís still available.
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LeeTublin Posted on 07/11/2019 19:45

Anyone recommend a broadband only service?
I rang Virgin last week threatening to cancel and got £13 a month off my services. They tell you your bill will go up if you get rid of your land line. I would leave but the problem is no one can come near their Broadband speed.
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sirteuk Posted on 08/11/2019 06:36

Anyone recommend a broadband only service?
For the general user who only requires streaming 50mb is fine for 4k
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Small_town Posted on 08/11/2019 09:01

Anyone recommend a broadband only service?
Once again, try not to get seduced by the download speeds of virgin. Their upload speeds have always been shocking. If you just stream movies then itís fine, you shouldnít need more the 25GB for the compressed 4K of Netflix or Rakuten. However if you online game, or skype/FaceTime a lot then the upload speeds will make your connection rubbish
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Fabios_porkpie_provider Posted on 08/11/2019 09:19

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I recently got a broadband only package with EE 36mb for 23£ per month. Have been happy with the speeds and have had no issues streaming 4K stuff on Netflix etc.
One tip the guy who hooked us up gave us, was to hammer it in the first week. Apparently this is when they do all their testing and if you are a heavy user, you get a bit more bandwidth priority, or something like that.
We had stuff streaming on tv and iPad as much as we could during that week. Whether itís helped I canít say, but Iíve been happy with the speeds so far.
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TheFair86 Posted on 08/11/2019 10:25

Anyone recommend a broadband only service?
Upload speeds will have bot all to do with online ping at that speed. I used to get 9ms ping to Ultima Online euro servers on the first NTL 512k/0.5mb cable modems when they first launched.

Unless your line is doing a lot of uploading at the same time, you will likely have the same ping playing at 10mbps upload speed as you will on 50mbps - the difference is your network architecture, if you are using wifi/LAN, and what other devices are using your connection at the time. Online gaming doesn't use a significant amount of data, but it prefers to be the only traffic. If you're struggling to do FaceTime then you have something wrong with your setup or virgins connection to your house - 5 minutes of FaceTime video calling will use just 15mb of data so if you are struggling with that then something is wrong.

Likewise skype/facetime does not have significant data use, I used to use that all the time on Virgin 200mb in my old house - we are languishing on BT 69mb down 15mb upload and still get 17ms ping with 2 security cameras uploading 1080p images to the cloud 24/7 and about 25 devices connected to the wifi (lights, sonos, echos, laptops, computers, TVs, media players and consoles) and have no trouble with video calling etc. Hence why providers offer such low upload speeds because you dont really need significant amounts of it in general.

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Small_town Posted on 08/11/2019 10:28

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I donít have anything wrong, I just know that when I skype my mum, she has some stupidly fast broadband download speed, yet the connection is always rubbish. Itís not at my end as I have 1GB broadband which regularly both uploads and downloads at over half a gig.
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TheyurinatedinVilnius Posted on 08/11/2019 10:38

Anyone recommend a broadband only service?
It'll be your Mutha's live feed.
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TheFair86 Posted on 08/11/2019 10:47

Anyone recommend a broadband only service?
You do though because you are saying virgins upload speeds are terrible. Cite it if its not wrong - what you re saying is one of you has something wrong in your architecture. You can have 1000TB broadband speed but bad architecture, that does not commit virgin to having terrible upload speeds, it is more likely to be Skype itself. As I said FaceTime uses 15mb of data for 5 minutes, you could do that on a 10mb down connection never mind 1GB. Online gaming sends very little data, as I have pointed out I achieved low pings on a 0.5mb connection.

Doesn't need high speeds. The average user will almost never have a need for an upload speed beyond 10mbps, and certainly not for online gaming and video chat.

I've been online gaming with virgin (via NTL, Comcast and Virgin) since they launched their 512k broadband and never had an issue with it, and would still be doing so today if it wasn't for them not covering our new area yet.

If you are data hungry their M350 & M500 does 35mb uploads , which again the average user would never touch. If you cant Skype your mum over a gigabit connection and she has a "stupidly fast connection" then that issue is unlikely to be poor upload speeds, thats just common sense. One of you has bad wifi, bad networking setup or has a technical fault, simple as that.

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Small_town Posted on 08/11/2019 10:54

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You donít think virgins upload speeds are terrible? You seem to be smashing they are ďadequateĒ thatís not the same as being good.

My point stands people get seduced by download speed figures. Virgin probably get away with such high download speeds by throttling the uploads so badly. Compare them with any other major ISP, their upload speeds are poor.
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TheFair86 Posted on 08/11/2019 11:10
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What do you upload that needs more than 36mbps?

People get seduced by download figures because downloads are what people use. Honestly - what do people upload? video chat has tiny overheads, voice chat even smaller, online gaming is tiny, sending files is tiny and one-off. I could run a fleet of security cameras and stream what i am gaming at the same time with no issues. I can transcode video from my PC to my device wherever I am in the world with ease.

Compare them to any major ISP:


Virgin Media

54Mb down, 5Mb up
108Mb down, 10Mb up
213Mb down, 20Mb up
362Mb down, 36Mb up
500Mb down, 36Mb up

BT

10Mb down, 1Mb up
50Mb down, 9Mb up
67Mb down, 18Mb up

EE

10Mb down, 1Mb up
36Mb down, 9Mb up
67Mb down, 18Mb up

John Lewis

10Mb down, 1Mb up
36Mb down, 9Mb up
66Mb down, 17Mb up

NOW Broadband

11Mb down, 0.7Mb up
36Mb down, 9Mb up
63Mb down, 18Mb up


Onestream

11Mb down, 1Mb up
35Mb down, 9Mb up
63 down, 17Mb up

Post Office

11Mb down, 1Mb up
35Mb down, 9Mb up
62Mb down, 17Mb up

Plusnet

10Mb down, 1Mb up
36Mb down, 9Mb up
66Mb down, 18Mb up

Relish

20Mb down, 4Mb up
24Mb down, 4Mb up

Shell Energy

17Mb down, 1Mb up
35Mb down, 9Mb up
63Mb down, 17Mb up

Sky

11Mb down, 0.8Mb up
36Mb down, 9Mb up
63Mb down, 18Mb up

SSE

11Mb down, 1Mb up
35Mb down, 9Mb up
63Mb down, 17Mb up

TalkTalk

11Mb down, 1Mb up
35Mb down, 9Mb up
63Mb down, 17Mb up

The only providers that come close to virgin are MDU providers like Hyperoptic and Gigaclear, which have under 1% market share. Virgin could increase those speeds tomorrow if they felt a market pull to do so, but they dont because they already offer faster than every major player in their top packages and their bottom package has 5* the upload of open reach bundles lowest upload speed. It could be better on M100, but as I said, majority of users will not use that speed.

FTTP speeds will start to change over the next few years, at which point virgin will just bump their fibre speeds in line with the market. FTTP makes up less than 3% of the market so isn't really competing with Virgin at present, certainly not in the open market.
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Primus84 Posted on 08/11/2019 11:18

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TheFair is right.
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block_4_Eastender Posted on 08/11/2019 12:56

Anyone recommend a broadband only service?
I'm considering this when my BT runs out as I'm on copper and IO refuse to use VERMIN.

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Small_town Posted on 08/11/2019 13:26

Anyone recommend a broadband only service?
Is he though? I guess I'm spoilt because I'm in a hyper optic area. I think it's just disingenuous to play on download speeds, knowing people can be fooled by big number but it's only a bit of the story.
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Primus84 Posted on 08/11/2019 13:29

Anyone recommend a broadband only service?
Yes he is.
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Sortie Posted on 08/11/2019 15:21

Anyone recommend a broadband only service?
Try Vodafone, sister has just moved to them this week superfast fibre, landline (free calls at weekends and after 19:00) and moved her mobile to them all for under £24/month for 12 month contract.
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TheFair86 Posted on 08/11/2019 15:27

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"Is he though? I guess I'm spoilt because I'm in a hyper optic area. I think it's just disingenuous to play on download speeds, knowing people can be fooled by big number but it's only a bit of the story."

yes I am. You asked me to compare them to major ISPs as their speeds are poor and I have literally listed the major ISP's and their speeds.

It is not disingenuous to list download speeds because people use download speeds far more than they use upload speeds. If you disagree state your use case that requires these high speeds and explain why there are no open market products that satisfy them despite this need, and how that is more important than download speeds?

Your previous use case was video calling via skype/facetime and online gaming and as I have said twice now that uses 15mb data over 5 minutes. If you have trouble on that with any virgin product then your network in your home is poor or the network in her home is poor or there is a technical fault. Skype uses 270 MB per hour, which is good for 4 hours on 1 GB. On a 50 GB plan, you can video-chat for 132 hours. you could chat to half your town on a gigabit connection. People just do not need these speeds. They are nice to have, but you dont need 50mb upload for online gaming, nor streaming. Online gaming is again low at 40mb-300mb data used per hour.

The only realistic use the average user would have for that is for illegal file sharing or running a high bandwidth business, for which a business connection would be appropriate. Virgin maintains their uploads on a 10:1 speed basis for this very reason. People care about download speed because they are streaming content from netflix/amazon etc, downloading films, downloading files, watching IPTV, downloading games, downloading apps, using multiple devices etc none of which saturate the upload. Very few people use their upload speeds at any great level and those that do are unlikely to max it out.

As people require faster upload speeds the market will deliver. Hyperoptic, gigaclear etc are small fish that tend to focus on blocks of flats and build a specific infrastructure for that, and are available to a tiny proportion of the country. Between them, and all the other providers in the UK combined, they make up less than 2% of the ISP market. FTTP will deliver higher speeds at which point virgin will increase it if they need to keep pace. Theyre even talking about setting up a wholesale network to compete with Openreach which will cover the properties that virgin media does not currently serve.
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AlbertoBongaloid Posted on 08/11/2019 17:59

Anyone recommend a broadband only service?
I would go broadband only with virgin if I were you.
Itís still £54 a month for the top broadband though.
Iíd Bennett l never intentionally leave virgin unless there was a problem with the connection. Nobody else offers a better service. Most faults tend to be hardware or setup issues
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Tomkd Posted on 08/11/2019 21:47

Anyone recommend a broadband only service?
Virgin dropped my bill a fiver a month not having a landline, not a lot but better than notthing
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