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r00fie1 Posted on 19/10/2019 19:05
Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
 
23M`s worth who blaze over the bar from a few yards or fall over their egos trying not to rip their sponsors dayglow scoring footwear - its been an issue since before Monk - before Karanka even.

We`ve never addressed the problem: Johnathan Woodgate has inherited the rump of four other Managers players - quite a few on big money - for this league - and taken on the task of fashioning them into a unit - incorporating youngsters who are at the other end of their careers......

Between a rock and a hard place.

Woody takes the public beating and is battered by the media - standing outside the locked doors.

The roaring silence from inside the boardroom tells more about the story - whilst Woody gets hung out to dry.........
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borodrew Posted on 19/10/2019 19:08

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
Correct..
Play OK though and miss a chance and conced a sloppy goal.


It has an awful feel of one of those seasons we're we could be right in a relegation battle.
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TeessideCleveland Posted on 19/10/2019 19:08

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
The strikers are not the only problem. Our shipping of goals has been a major worry all season
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Badonde Posted on 19/10/2019 19:11

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
Aye, makes us all sick.
Spunked an absolute fortune on forwards who simply aren't fit for purpose. Just got to suffer while their 30k-40k contracts tick down I suppose.
AAAAARGH
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Aqualung Posted on 19/10/2019 19:13

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
its not just the strikers, strikers at all levels miss sitters, your just expecting ours to convert every single chance as we create so few of them

For instance today, west brom had about 3-4 chances they fluffed that if britt or fletcher had fluffed we'd be in uproar

The problem at this club is the woeful recruitment over the last 3 years, not a single decent winger or attacking midfielder in the entire squad forcing us to constantly line up with industrious hard running players with limited skills and technique
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shaboro1986 Posted on 19/10/2019 19:15

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
Yes, keep blaming the fact we play 1 up front and carry on lumping the ball upto him, against 6ft 6 defenders with the rest of the team still sat near our box. But don't let that get in the way of your view
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jimstewart Posted on 19/10/2019 19:20

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
Spot on Aqualung. We’ve paid top dollar for poor to average players for years and that can only go on for so long. The chickens are coming home to roost but it will be woodgates neck on the block when others are far more culpable.
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r00fie1 Posted on 19/10/2019 19:27

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
"...our just expecting ours to convert every single chance...." [!!!!!????]

NO!

Just asking for a 50% conversion rate so that we arent missing twice as much as we are scoring - like right now.

You may have noticed that our leading "Striker" [The job role is in the title] has shat it more times than its gone in the back of the net this season. We should have known after the spooned pen at Luton.

The big tall lad from Manchester hasnt delivered though I suppose it doesnt matter he cost us 7M?

At over 30 GBPs a chuck - it pss`s me off when we are fed excuses why "strikers" [?!] cant put the ball in the net more than the opposition. I dont demand perfection. Football isnt a science. Neither are human beings. But when one mistake happens three, four, five times - it becomes a pattern - predictable - then we, the paying fans....have the right to question the calibre, quality, commitment and capability of the players wearing our club colours?

Non of us would desert the Boro if we ended up playing at Coatham, using traffic cones as goalposts. So long as the red shirts put in an honest shift - it wouldnt be bad.

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Lottowyn Posted on 19/10/2019 19:35
Edited On: 19/10/2019 19:38
Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
What strikers ?

There are a few people in the team who must be embarrassed to pick up their money surely ?
Perhaps not.

It's all a laugh isn't it ?
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BoroGold2 Posted on 19/10/2019 19:36

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
It's Woodgate's fault when he brings Fletcher on and Tavernier off and persists with Assombalonga.
I thought young Tav. was having a decent game and contributing a lot more than Assombalonga.
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r00fie1 Posted on 19/10/2019 19:48

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
We have players paid [handsomely] to do a job, but dont put a shift in - even half the time. The two most improved players this season are McNair and Johnson. Others are reportedly paid considerably more for their services.

It proves that money doesnt help make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Weve been conned and its our own fault...
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Sortie Posted on 19/10/2019 21:57

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
You weren't saying that about the manager last season.

How do you explain how a former International defender has turned what was a fairly solid defence into a bunch of strangers? No doubt that's not down to the manager either.
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TerryWay Posted on 19/10/2019 22:17

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
Woodgate is the coach. His exact job is to get the best out of his players. He has actually done the opposite and made them worse.
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 19/10/2019 22:25

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
I’d say it is his fault - well him and who ever is supposed to be coaching them that is. We’ve seen players like Wing and Fry who were excellent last season suddenly look lost. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that their loss of form has coincided with Woodgates arrival. Use your noddles people !




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r00fie1 Posted on 19/10/2019 22:29

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
Sortie:

What WAS I saying "last season"?

"How do you explain how a former International defender has turned what was a fairly solid defence into a bunch of strangers?"

Sortie - you tell me - I was commenting on the "strikers" but clearly the breadth and depth of your understanding of football tactics and management is way above anything I may possess.

Please. Enlighten us all.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 19/10/2019 22:47

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
“ You weren't saying that about the manager last season”

Spot on.
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Sortie Posted on 19/10/2019 22:50

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
Last season you, and others; were blaming Pulis for the strikers not delivering. I din't realise extending the scope of a topic wasn't allowed. My profuse apologies for my error.

Obviously you wouldn't be able to explain the reasons so I'll not bother starting a new thread.

Hop you enjoyed the extra space you had in the South Stand today. Had your mates pocket money run out.
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Boromart Posted on 20/10/2019 00:27

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
"its not just the strikers, strikers at all levels miss sitters, your just expecting ours to convert every single chance as we create so few of them"

There are different types of striker, Britt does nothing outside of 8 yards, so he better convert the vast majority of those tap ins.....he doesn't.
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uncle_rico Posted on 20/10/2019 07:36

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
Last season we’re we’re creating one or maybe two good chances per game and not scoring. Yesterday we had 7 shots on target, and still didn’t score.

Our strikers are terrible and not worth anything like what we paid for them, but they’re all we’ve got. Assombalonga looked isolated for much of the game yesterday but Tav provided a good link between midfield and attack. Tav has to stay in the team.

I think Fletcher deserves a run of games as number 9 and it might give Britt a kick up the ärse having a couple of games in the bench.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 20/10/2019 08:06
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Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
“ Last season we’re we’re creating one or maybe two good chances per game and not scoring. Yesterday we had 7 shots on target, and still didn’t score.”

During that 6 game losing run (which cost us the play-offs). Goal attempts with shots on target in brackets.

1-2 Brentford - 19 (6)
1-2 Preston - 22 (4)
0-3 Villa - 4 (1)
0-1 Norwich - 17 (6)
0-1 Bristol City - 23 (7)
1-3 Swansea - 13 (1)

As I said last season, we played well in most of those games and couldn’t score. Fans didn’t care, it was 100% Pulis fault.

Woodgate comes in promising high press attacking football. Doesn’t deliver it, adopts the same system as Pulis last season - players fault . Go figure.

0-1 WBA 17 (7)
1-2 Birmingham - 5 (3)
1-1 Preston - 15 (4)
1-4 Sheff Wed - 9 (2)
0-1 Cardiff - 11 (0)
1-0 Reading 11 (2)
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1finny Posted on 20/10/2019 08:38

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
In answer to the question
The responsibility of the manager is to get the best out of the players
We aren’t scoring, we aren’t defending and most of the players are playing way behind their capabilities. It’s not that much of a different squad that pushed for the play offs most of last season.

If that’s not Woodgate’s fault - he’s got a great job.
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bargain_basement Posted on 20/10/2019 12:33

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
Pog you can add to that fans calling out Pulis because he had the cheek to single out Britt everytime he'd miss chances.

He thought that much of Fletcher he sent him up the road, now he's gone from starting to dropped to the bench.

A season on and we're still calling out our supposed strikers but this time it's not the coach's fault. He's got an ex-striker helping him and we're worse!
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YouwantsomeYougotnofans Posted on 20/10/2019 12:34

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
This thread though [:D]
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PlumbLine Posted on 20/10/2019 12:53

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
50% conversion rate? [cr]
lewendowski has had 58 shots this season across league, champions league games and nations league games. He has 15 goals. Just above a 25% conversion rate.

Aguero, 34 shots in 9 games. 8 goals. 23.5%.
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uncle_rico Posted on 20/10/2019 13:01

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
Fair enough Pog, thanks for sharing those stats, but we were getting desperate in those games. For the majority of last season we didn’t create anywhere near that many clear cut chances per game, and Pulis defended that by saying well at least we had a load of corners.

You can put whichever spin on it you want to, but the fact of the matter is that our strikers are nowhere near as good as what we thought they were, and neither Pulis or Woodgate can get anywhere close to the best out of them.
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Indeedido Posted on 20/10/2019 13:09

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
Fletcher deserves an extended run alright, but down the A19 to the A1 then carry on until at least Wetherby.

I'd suggest the same for Gestede too but he wouldn't make the A66 from The Riverside.
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Sortie Posted on 20/10/2019 19:46

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
"down the A19 to the A1"

The A19 doesn't meet the A1 [:D]
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r00fie1 Posted on 20/10/2019 19:54

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
Yes it DOES:
It joins the A1 at Seaton Burn, just north of Cramlington[^]
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Sortie Posted on 20/10/2019 20:07

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
Since when has Seaton Burn been down the A19?

Seaton Burn is also west of Cramlington not north.

Geography is another subject you're not good at.

Good job you weren't in the forces you'd have firing on your own side [:D]
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r00fie1 Posted on 20/10/2019 20:34

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
Out of the mouths of babes and sucklings[cr]

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Boromart Posted on 20/10/2019 21:08

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
"Aguero, 34 shots in 9 games. 8 goals. 23.5%."
But Aguero will shoot from anyway within 18 yards of goal. Britts shots are pretty much all within 8 yards, his conversion rate from 8 yards is worse than Aguero from 15. That isn't even taking into account the better GK and defenders that Aguero faces

That just shouldn't happen if you are competent.
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jiffy Posted on 21/10/2019 13:54

Strikers not doing their job are not Woody`s fault
Boro's biggest problem when he was given the job was the failure of the team to convert chances.

He could have attempted to improve that with new players.

But instead he chose to try improve the existing players byy appointing an attacking coach. In comes Robbie Keane - undoubtedly a very good converter of chances and supplier of chances for his teammates.

Keane has failed totally.

There is no plan B as the money was wasted on fullbacks now regarded as longterm projects.

It would have been better if Keane was on the teamsheet rather than in the dugout.
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