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ClaytonsQuiff Posted on 12/09/2019 06:37
Letting buses out of a stop
 
 
Confession time. Which of you let a bus driver out, and which of you dont?
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1st_time_caller Posted on 12/09/2019 06:46

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I do. Rule 223 (I'd 233?) Of highway code
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 12/09/2019 06:47

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Depends if they've pulled into it properly, if they leave the corner stuck out no.
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NorfolkandChance Posted on 12/09/2019 06:53

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When I passed my test , a bus had right of way when leaving a bus stop, assume its still the same, so I always try and let them out
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American_Mary Posted on 12/09/2019 06:57

Letting buses out of a stop

 
Always, why wouldn’t you let a bus out ?
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coluka Posted on 12/09/2019 06:58

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Yes, always do, providing it has indicated to pull out before I am just about to go past it.

If I am immediately upon it and it indicates then no as i think that would be potentially risky as there are idiots behind who might assume you wont stop and may rear end you in there desperation to beat the bus
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Edis_Pilf Posted on 12/09/2019 06:58

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Like most things on the road it depends on circumstances.
Bus drivers, like everyone else should signal and wait for a gap.
Why should I slow down or stop and hold up the people behind me?
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 12/09/2019 06:58

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They still do have right of way unless it's a lay-By bus stop. They have a habit of leaving the drivers side stuck out so it forces you to stop which has resulted in very bad accidents.
Dash cams sort this out.
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ClaytonsQuiff Posted on 12/09/2019 07:18

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Most layby bus stops are completely the wrong shape, angle and depth, for modern buses nearly 40ft on length. With 6ft overhang on the front wheel, and the angle of the kerb into the layby, if we completely straightened the bus up it would mean that the step for passengers would be about 3ft away from the high kerb. Leaving the back of the bus out slightly is not deliberate, I can assure you. I always try my best to pull right in but sometimes it's just not possible.

Many of my friends get the impression that a bus will start to leave a layby bus stop without even checking...again, what's happening here is that in order to see out of our driver side mirror we have to edge out and straighten up as all we can see is the back end of the bus and no approaching traffic.

Another thing I always get told is that they often try and flag a bus down but get ignored and the bus pulls out of the stop.

In out certificate of professional compliance training we are explicitly told that once the door is closed and we are indicating to join traffic that signal cannot be cancelled as that can cause accidents. Even if I've pulled away from the kerb and am indicating to leave but am stationary I cannot pull back in and let you on.

I asked the question because im often sat in a line of at least 15 to 20 passing cars before one let's me out. And yes, its rule 223!
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Anton_Berg Posted on 12/09/2019 08:01

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I don't know when this rule came into the highway code but I suspect a lot a people over a certain age don't know about it. It ought to be a big issue in London, but you never hear it being debated. Nor do you hear of anyone being nicked for not giving way, but then there isn't much traffic policing being done.
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bear66 Posted on 12/09/2019 08:05

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It's always been there, or at least since the mid-60s.
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 12/09/2019 08:08

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Buses do not have right of way in a lay by, only on a carriageway.

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Boro_Boro_Boro Posted on 12/09/2019 08:10

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I always do unless I am already too close to make it unsafe
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r00fie1 Posted on 12/09/2019 08:12

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Consider the safety of potentially 90 people on a bus and wait a couple of precious seconds to let them out than think of yourself and your rush to get into the next world quicker.[^]
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bear66 Posted on 12/09/2019 08:23

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Where is there anything written down about lay-bys? 223 in the highway code doesn't limit advice to carriageway only.

As far as I can see, it isn't law but one of the highway code advisories. I usually allow them in, but also find bus drivers often delay indicating to let cars past.
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 12/09/2019 09:06

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I'm afraid joining any carriageway you must give way and sinal your intent until you can safely join it. There are no give at signs to allow the buses out.
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turnoffsaysthestar Posted on 12/09/2019 09:07

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always
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Cuthbert Posted on 12/09/2019 09:16

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"Always, why wouldn’t you let a bus out ?"

You might not let a bus out if you were in a rush to get somewhere, didn't want to get stuck behind it, and therefore didn't want to be slowed down.

In answer to the OP, I sometimes do and I sometimes don't.
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go_nads Posted on 12/09/2019 09:56

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Always let a bus out, always flash people out of side roads in busy traffic.

If everyone used a sensible level of courtesy on the roads instead of treating it like some sort of competition driving would be far less stressful and a much more pleasant experience.

It's an absolute chore for me, get no pleasure or satisfaction from it at all.
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McMordie Posted on 12/09/2019 10:06

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It annoys me sometimes when people stop to let other cars out of side roads etc to make themselves feel good without giving any thought to the cars behind them.

On the way to work yesterday the car in front stopped to let someone out of a petrol station just before traffic lights which were on green. As a result, the lights changed and the cars behind were held up when the car coming out of the petrol station would have got out when the lights changed anyway.
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uncle_rico Posted on 12/09/2019 10:14

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I do, but especially when I have someone tailgating me [:P]
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JLinardi Posted on 12/09/2019 13:39

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Agree mcmordie it’s annoying af, been behind people going 30 who’ve braked just to let someone out, there was one woman yesterday who stopped just before a junction and let about 6 cars out before she eventually turned what’s the point.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 12/09/2019 13:42

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The bus should have right of way, it's providing a public service. The me, me, me crowd are struggling with it.
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go_nads Posted on 12/09/2019 13:44

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Point proved..what's the rush?

And I'm talking about busy, slow moving traffic by the way, where there is no need to hammer the brakes on, just take your foot of the accelerator and let someone know to come out. It takes no time at all. Most of the time you don't need to brake.
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Heam44 Posted on 12/09/2019 13:46

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CTC, what if the car has more people in it than the bus?
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JLinardi Posted on 12/09/2019 13:50

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But people do gonads, if I’m on a busy road and there’s a gap to let someone out I’ll flash them out. If I have to go out of my way to do it or the road isn’t that busy then I won’t. My driving instructor told me the safest way to drive is to just do what other drivers are expecting you to do, and I think that was good advice [^]
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London_Boro Posted on 12/09/2019 13:55

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Every time if safe to do so.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 12/09/2019 13:56

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Heam, if you are counting the numbers of people on a bus whilst driving you shouldn't have a licence.
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Heam44 Posted on 12/09/2019 13:57

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CTC, what if one of the passengers counts?
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xxlshirts_fit_all Posted on 12/09/2019 13:58

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"It annoys me sometimes when people stop to let other cars out of side roads etc to make themselves feel good without giving any thought to the cars behind them.

On the way to work yesterday the car in front stopped to let someone out of a petrol station just before traffic lights which were on green. As a result, the lights changed and the cars behind were held up when the car coming out of the petrol station would have got out when the lights changed anyway."

[rle][rle][rle]

I guess you were a whole 2 mins later for work, wow, sometimes cars stuck in side streets cant get out for ages if people dont show common courtesy, it keeps the whole trafic flow going...

as long as the car in fron hasnt slammed his anchors on just to let them out, i cant see an issue, it pays forward usually and someone will let you out in the same position...

id hate to think what youre like at merge in turns and road work mergers on the motorway...[rle]
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 12/09/2019 14:02

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As I said earlier Heam, the me, me, me crowd struggle with the conception of public service.
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JLinardi Posted on 12/09/2019 14:02

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How is stopping traffic when the light is green to let one car out classed as ‘keeping the traffic flowing’?
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Cuthbert Posted on 12/09/2019 14:12

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Yeah, all very well being smug about ALWAYS letting people in (to make yourselves feel good), but as mcmordie says it can be dangerous.

A few years back (after some traffic lights so everyone was starting to speed up) the car three in front of me suddenly braked to let someone out from a side road. The car two in front had to brake quite hard. The car in front had to brake quite hard. I had to brake quite hard... and the car behind me didn't brake hard enough and went in to the back of me.

At which point the t*t who'd caused it by letting someone in at an entirely inappropriate point, drove off feeling good about themselves having let someone in.... oblivious to the fact that they'd caused a shunt.
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Heam44 Posted on 12/09/2019 14:13

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What if the car contains a doctor, firefighter police officer, nurse and a teacher and the bus contains two criminals?
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go_nads Posted on 12/09/2019 14:21

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"How is stopping traffic when the light is green to let one car out classed as ‘keeping the traffic flowing’?"

In that instance, you would hope that someone would let the car ease out into the building traffic whilst the lights are on red, not shunting up to prevent the garage car out.

If you need to brake harshly to let someone out, you shouldn't be letting them out, that's pretty obvious. But if traffic is flowing at that speed, it's unlikely that there will be a need to let people out, as there will be sufficient gaps in the traffic, due to a good, speedy flow. Traffic bunches when it's moving slowly.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 12/09/2019 14:29

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Could be worse Heam, you could be on the bus screaming at the driver to get his foot down.
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