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dragged_up_in_whinneybanks Posted on 10/09/2019 10:21
“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”
 
 
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upthechels Posted on 10/09/2019 11:06

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
What would Middlesbrough be like without the protection of the EU?



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Nosmo-King Posted on 10/09/2019 11:18

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
Sure it’s not depraved??!! Anyhow not great to be saddled with either
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FartingGnome Posted on 10/09/2019 11:19

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Ah, so as (when / if) we come out of Europe those champions of the disadvantaged, Rees-Mogg and Johnson, will come on their white chargers to rejuvenate Teesside.

You've got me convinced.

Brexit. Bring it on.

In other news upthechels is not happy the way things are going and has embarked on another of his trolling campaigns on a football message board.
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upthechels Posted on 10/09/2019 11:23

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
Trolling?

I question what Boro would be like without the EU. It's a fair question.

I stand beside the majority of Boro folk.
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MightyDuck Posted on 10/09/2019 11:35

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
"what Boro would be like without the EU"

depends if there's a Tory or Labour government at the time of leaving. If its still Tory, it'll get worse. If it's Labour we might get some money spent up here.

The Bullingdon club don't even class us as England
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myfooty Posted on 10/09/2019 11:36

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
Strange how someone that isn't Boro fan spends so much time on here. Mostly posting mostly pro UKIP / Brexit stuff and anti-labour stuff

What happened to the Pompey fan that was always posting on here mostly pro UKIP / Brexit stuff and anti-labour stuff?
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upthechels Posted on 10/09/2019 11:42

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
Pro Brexit but UKIP? Do me a favour!!!

Lifelong Labour voter who is disgusted how they have betrayed me and my vote. I have a right to be angry. I stand beside the Boro folk who feel what I do - Labour have deserted them.
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bear66 Posted on 10/09/2019 11:46

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
If Brexit is your biggest concern then I pity your selfishness.

The vulnerable, disabled, black immigrants (Windrush) etc. etc. have been treated disgracefully under this government. Nothing to do with Brexit or the EU.
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upthechels Posted on 10/09/2019 11:48

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
"The vulnerable, disabled, black immigrants (Windrush) etc. etc. have been treated disgracefully under this government"

That's the Tories for you.
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bear66 Posted on 10/09/2019 11:50

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
Agree. And Labour haven't deserted you if you are angry about it.
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upthechels Posted on 10/09/2019 11:52

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
It's hard to shake off being a Labour man...not that I want to shake it off.
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myfooty Posted on 10/09/2019 11:57

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
Upthechels

You are another one of these political shills that always claims to be life long labour support that can't vote them before every election.

"Likewise, I won't be suggesting a vote for you - it's your right.

I don't trust Farage and this new party popping up 3 years after it was clear MP's were directing efforts to thwart Brexit.

Tommy Robinson left the EDL for the same reasons that Farage left UKIP so I'm not sure either should be given credit tbh. I think Gerard Batten has made a mistake associating with TR - that is for sure. All he had to do was bide his time and pounce when the majors are on the canvas - as they are now in my eyes. Looking to TR as an advisor damages him by association and offers ammo to opponents.

My whole point is, Labour has moved too far left and are in real danger of losing the right of centre (where I am) vote to UKIP."
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upthechels Posted on 10/09/2019 12:06

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
myfooty

I don't see too much there buddy.

I wouldn't leave my house to defend or listen to Tommy Robinson. Gerrard Batten slipped up talking to SYL.

The Labour leader embraces terrorists...that's way too far left for me. I'm quite the 'live and let live' forgiving kind of a guy but I'm not having that.
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UpTheBoro70 Posted on 10/09/2019 12:06

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
Middlesbrough has two sides like everywhere else. London and southern towns are deprived if you look for it.
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MightyDuck Posted on 10/09/2019 12:07

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
"Lifelong Labour voter who is disgusted how they have betrayed me and my vote"

What a load of s**t. All labour have done is stop the Tories filling their boots. And Ukip aren't 'Centre' anything. They are very right wing.
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upthechels Posted on 10/09/2019 12:15

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
mightyduck

I'm Labour - proper Labour, not this 2019 version of rabble.
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omega Posted on 10/09/2019 12:16

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
I am not strong labour or conservative but who has been in charge of boro since i was a boy Labour. Labour spent nothing in fact got worse for the job i do and a lot of teesiders. two rig yards closed up here last time labour where in power was that the conservatives fault. Labour has let middlesbrough sink as it dose not give a XXXXXX as people will just keep voting for them up here
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keelo Posted on 10/09/2019 12:19

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
And Ukip aren't 'Centre' anything. They are very right wing.
AKA Facists
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Bruce_Rioja Posted on 10/09/2019 12:24

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
Worst Govt ever, deepest political crisis ever, Tory led country on the brink of seismic economic shift and Labour still not streets ahead in the polls.

Someone comes on FMTTM claiming to be an ex-Labour voter and the response?

You're a shill
You're a troll
You're far-right
You shouldn't even be here

It's utter madness! Try considering why people have left instead of abuse and label throwing. Otherwise it's eternal opposition.
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myfooty Posted on 10/09/2019 12:34
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“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
"I am not strong labour or conservative but who has been in charge of boro since i was a boy Labour. Labour spent nothing in fact got worse for the job i do and a lot of teesiders. two rig yards closed up here last time labour where in power was that the conservatives fault. Labour has let middlesbrough sink as it dose not give a XXXXXX as people will just keep voting for them up here"


which rig yards are you talking about?
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 10/09/2019 12:48

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
Poor infrastructure to the rest of the country it's a backwater, and so it receives little investment. The steel industry is all but finished, very surprised the chemical industry is still here. The place is slowly dying, the population will begin to dwindle.

It's outlived its original purpose, I don't think there is a political solution, it's just what happens.
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upthechels Posted on 10/09/2019 13:00

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
"The place is slowly dying"

Hand on heart, that's sad to read.
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omega Posted on 10/09/2019 13:07

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
kvaerner oil and gas SLP also the yards in Newcastle closed.
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myfooty Posted on 10/09/2019 13:17

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
What was it that Labour government done that caused these yards to close.

These yards are always opening and closing. It is frustrating when foreign companies buy UK businesses for order books and knowledge/skills etc then do asset strip.
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fluorescent_smog Posted on 10/09/2019 13:25

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" depends if there's a Tory or Labour government at the time of leaving. If its still Tory, it'll get worse. If it's Labour we might get some money spent up here."

What? Like the last time Labour where in power? As long as people in Middlesbrough keep blindly voting for this so called Labour Party, we will get the very minimum from them. If it were more of a marginal seat, they'd soon take notice, instead of taking the peoples vote for granted
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omega Posted on 10/09/2019 13:29

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
What did labour do to help these yards should be your question. As for open and shutting please enlighten me as I have worked away since labour came in power. Did the labour change the rights for workers that European have that the conservatives opted out. This would have given the workers more rights and protections they did not. I voted for Tony Blair and the Labour Party but not since. The last vote I voted in was the referendum and I voted to remain but will not next time
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StarPlayer Posted on 10/09/2019 13:36

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
Up the Chelsea does have a valid point if people were prepared to look at Middlesbrough now and pre eu. Our economy has shifted away from manufacturing to service sectors under the auspices of the EU. Good well paid jobs (steel, shipbuilding, chemicals) have been pretty much replaced with lots of minimum wage call centres etc with salaries having to be boosted by tax credits. I might have a decent job that could be disrupted by Brexit but I totally understand why people voted to leave for a chance that something different might be better for them. They probably fear what the next 50 years will bring if we continue to see local economies allowed to erode but see mega investment in London and the South East.
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bear66 Posted on 10/09/2019 13:37

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
"This would have given the workers more rights and protections they did not."

Which EU workers' rights didn't labour adopt or exceed?
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r00fie1 Posted on 10/09/2019 13:39

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
A journo gives Middlesbrough a label.
So what?
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HolgateCorner Posted on 10/09/2019 13:47

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
Some strange posts on this thread in my opinion -

Why are the EU responsible for the decline of industry on Teesside? Why would things change upon leaving the EU?

What should Labour have done differently? The only thing I can think could be better is road and rail infrastructure but then again compared to a lot of other places it’s not that bad. Have you tried to get around London lately - it’s complete chaos.

There’s no magic wand.
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 10/09/2019 13:57

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
He could be that Pompey bnp ukip one,strange for some random to appear all day every,plus a his mate dropped a blob.
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upthechels Posted on 10/09/2019 14:08

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
"Some strange posts on this thread in my opinion -

Why are the EU responsible for the decline of industry on Teesside? Why would things change upon leaving the EU?"

Not that strange really. We talk of an area that has continued to lose hope government after government. Had there been some kind of presence from the EU in the area the vote may have been different. The referendum came along and with it another chance to halt the rot. The people of Middlesbrough voted with a lot of emotion attached. Many won't give a toss about the backstop...it was all about wanting better for them and their own.

I understand and stand by them.
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London_Boro Posted on 10/09/2019 14:23

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
[:O] Where's Jeff when you need him!

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HolgateCorner Posted on 10/09/2019 15:07

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
Upthechels - my point is that the reasons for the decline of the steel industry are nothing to do with the EU or the Labour or Tory governments for that matter.

There are plenty of other reasons not to like the EU, excessive immigration being an identifiable one, but the impact of the global economy is not one of them in my view.

I have a concern that some posters think all will be solved if we leave the EU.
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1finny Posted on 10/09/2019 15:25

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
‘Not that strange really. We talk of an area that has continued to lose hope government after government. Had there been some kind of presence from the EU in the area the vote may have been different. The referendum came along and with it another chance to halt the rot. The people of Middlesbrough voted with a lot of emotion attached. Many won't give a toss about the backstop...it was all about wanting better for them and their own.’

An article written sometime ago discussed the ‘logic’ for those people in deprived areas voting to leave. For a ‘remainer’ it was a bit of an eye opener.

They have lived through turbulent times are pretty stoical and understand there are ups and downs for them in terms of job losses.
They care that they are ‘forgotten’ and this was a chance to shout for a change.
‘They didn’t vote to be worse off’ ... is lazy, it doesn’t apply. They know they might be worse off. They hav been before. They will crack on and find a way - as they always have done.
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HolgateCorner Posted on 10/09/2019 15:42

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
I think there is an economic argument for Brexit but any benefits will not be overnight and will require a change in attitude from private investors in this country.

I work on UK projects which require hundreds of millions of loans and a lot of it comes from overseas rather than the UK.

Going back to Brexit I think the EU has sucked wealth towards the shortest crossing point to the mainland hence the concentration towards the south east at the expense of everywhere else. Brexit would be a chance to break that trend.
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upthechels Posted on 10/09/2019 15:47

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
HC...I think somewhere we agree but I was more on about the mood of people rather than attaching blame. My point was that the EU show very little presence in places like Middlesbrough so it's only natural people will vote for change...even if it won't change anything.

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myfooty Posted on 10/09/2019 16:25
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“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
Something is wrong with the system when we have people openly saying they don't know what has been going because they have been working away for over 20 years but they still voting on what happens in UK.

The ownership of yards will continue to change but as long the yard and most of infrastructure and equipment are still in place the yards will continue used.

The yards will continue close when there have no orders/work, when new orders/work comes in the yards open back up. The same thing happens world wide.

The developed world has been undercut by developing world so they is lot less manufacturing jobs in the developed world.

As far as I know all these quaysides & yards are still there and regularly in use for Offshore Wind / Oil & Gas / Decommissioning / Marine constructing, maintenance repair, upgrade. etc.

Tees & Hartlepool Yards

Hartlepool - Heerema
Heerema yards are struggling for orders and they Hartlepool facilities are up sale.

North banks of the Tees

Seaton Port - Able UK.

Port Clerance - Wilton Engineering Services

Haverton Hill - EEW OFFSHORE STRUCTURES (BRITAIN) LTD.


South Banks of the Tees

Dawsons Wharf, North Sea Supply Base, - AV Dawson,

Normanby Wharf - MPI Offshore Tees Base

Teesport Commerce Park Dry Dock 1 & 2 - UK Docks Teesside

Teesport Commerce Park Dry Dock 5 & 6 - A&P Tees



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Clingon33 Posted on 10/09/2019 18:33
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Worst times these. I can pull a skip diver out of a bin and on asking why it's necessary the person is usually a nervous wreck and can list and prove treatments they are on for severe depression or even worse. Joe Public wants these people fining cos they are presumed id cheats etc, but all i ever find them diving for is food and clothes. Meanwhile more young people are looking thin gaunt and drugged up. Over run....Election needed. Couldn't care less how many edumacated lefty people get new cars out of a labour win the fact is that labour will make a difference to people who need the most help and that's that. ☆Everybody know's ☆ the dice are loaded...and that society has no safety net for the people living in ways described above, so let's get one. Proud to come from Teesside.
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Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 10/09/2019 18:44

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
"It's utter madness! Try considering why people have left instead of abuse and label throwing. Otherwise it's eternal opposition."

We regularly agree on very little Bruce but I can't really argue with that to be honest.

We need the tories out though and I'll be voting in any way to do that.
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Bruce_Rioja Posted on 10/09/2019 19:09

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You can't do it on your own.
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omega Posted on 10/09/2019 21:31

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
Dry docks I served my time in them. The wages where bad then even worse now. They are exploiting cheap foreign labour. The yards on Teeside have it built any oil rigs apart from the maggot farm which is for sale. Do you remember the big sea dragon project that was coming here but did not no help of the government then either. At least when the steel plants closed down money was made available to help them retrain.
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Cuthbert Posted on 10/09/2019 22:15

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Confiscating peoples' wealth when they die isn't fair either.
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myfooty Posted on 10/09/2019 22:41
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“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
"Dry docks I served my time in them. The wages where bad then even worse now. They are exploiting cheap foreign labour. The yards on Teeside have it built any oil rigs apart from the maggot farm which is for sale. Do you remember the big sea dragon project that was coming here but did not no help of the government then either. At least when the steel plants closed down money was made available to help them retrain."


The Sea Dragon project was moved to the Far East because the 2008 financial crash was causing panic. Because of this yards in far east were needing the work so started offering good deals. (the Sea Dragon project was good for the yards on the River Tees because of the new infrastructure and equipment and skills it brought to area.)

I thought you didn't know what going in local area because you have been working away for over 20 years.

What was built in those dry docks when you were serving your time?
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stumpy Posted on 10/09/2019 23:56

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
In 1997 I had such high hopes for Teesside. A New Labour Government with Blair a local MP with Mo Mowlam, Mandelson et al, all local representatives.
Nowt. Tjatcher did more with the TDC than that lot did for Teesside.
Self serving parasites, the lot of them, blue, Red, Yelloww, Green etc
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omega Posted on 11/09/2019 06:13

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
Nothing was built in them dry docks while I was their it was called tees dock and it was a ship repair yard . Yes I have worked away for the last 18 years sorry if I said 20 but let me clarify this I have worked on the rigs I/e that means 2 on 2 off until recently 3 on 3 off. I still live in Teesside. I will not say I hate labour or conservatives but I do think our local council could do with a change as they have to shoulder sum of it the blame as well for the state of Middlesbrough.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 11/09/2019 08:21

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
Cuthbert, do you think they should bury it with them?
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omega Posted on 11/09/2019 08:34

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
No pass it onto their family
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 11/09/2019 08:41

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[:D] forgot who he was logged in as, must be that half wit aka marofdboro. New names same shills.
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zaphod Posted on 11/09/2019 08:44

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The problem with "pass it on to the family" is that it entrenches inequality. Passing on moderate amounts without tax is OK and that's what inheritance tax does now. Once it gets to be over the inheritance tax threshold (varies between Ł250,000 and Ł650,000) that's left, inherited wealth becomes a major cause of inequality (ie unfairness).
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 11/09/2019 08:56

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That's what happens now, omega.
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hopesoboro Posted on 11/09/2019 09:13

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UptheChels - how much time have you spent in Middlesbrough?
As for you being a life long Labour man, well you've always come across as a small minded RW type in your posts - are there a lot of your ilk in Labour ranks? If so,they need to stay away.
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Bruce_Rioja Posted on 11/09/2019 10:01

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**Normal Service Has Been Resumed**
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omega Posted on 11/09/2019 11:40

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What do you think is fair. If I get to retire and have some money left when I go it should go to my kids. I worked for it and saved it up or what’s the point.
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upthechels Posted on 11/09/2019 12:09

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
"UptheChels - how much time have you spent in Middlesbrough?
As for you being a life long Labour man, well you've always come across as a small minded RW type in your posts - are there a lot of your ilk in Labour ranks? If so,they need to stay away"

You ask how much time I've spent in Middlesbrough to which I now reply 'for a few Chelsea games' Does that eliminate me from having an opinion? If so, how many time have you been in the HoC? You see how silly it sounds?

I'm RW because I vote Brexit??? Because in 2019 I no longer feel Labour represent me?

You are shallow hopesboro and dare I say a little bit of a silly sausage.
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 11/09/2019 12:20

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Games up Pompey.
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redwurzel Posted on 11/09/2019 15:02

“Middlesbrough most deprived town in England”

 
The Town was solely built (in only 23 years) for heavy industry when a lot of heavy industry left the UK, after 1960 it was always going to be difficult.

More and more professionals working on Teesside now appear to live in Yarm, Stokesley, Great Ayton, Saltburn or a NY village. There is little incentive to live close the Town Centre.

For the centre of the Town I would like to see an arts centre beyond MIMA that shows some non mainstream films, live broadcasts, some theatre and with a up market bar/bistro but is there the demand?

The Town Hall does its best, but its only open at certain times. I went to show there and the staff want you out within 30 minutes of the end of the show and it was only 9.20pm. My local arts centre is open 10am to 11pm except Sundays and the City is smaller than the Boro.
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DowningAlbion Posted on 11/09/2019 15:15

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No one is proposing inheritance tax of 100%, it is all about setting it at the right level so that people at the bottom pay none, people in the middle only a little, and the top third pay more on amounts over a certain threshold

Currently inherited wealth gives far too great an advantage in generating more wealth. As a result inherited wealth has become the #1 factor for success, when that should be talent + hard work

Surely most of us would prefer to live in a world where hard work and talent are the keys to success, not how much money you are born into?
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