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clive_road_stamper Posted on 14/08/2019 01:04
Brexit: Hammond demands 'genuine' negotiations with EU
 
What did you do last 3 years then. ?
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foomanboro Posted on 14/08/2019 07:14
Edited On: 14/08/2019 07:18
Brexit: Hammond demands 'genuine' negotiations with EU
He means stop making unrealistic demands like the complete removal of the Irish backstop.

Boris is deliberately demanding conditions that will never be accepted to force through a no deal. The aim was never to negotiate a better deal than May could get. Heís not negotiating in good faith and this fake optimism that he is trying negotiate a deal is nothing but smoke and mirrors.
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1finny Posted on 14/08/2019 07:20

Brexit: Hammond demands 'genuine' negotiations with EU
They set out to negotiate with 3 red lines and reached agreement based on that.
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ExFootyLegs Posted on 14/08/2019 08:39

Brexit: Hammond demands 'genuine' negotiations with EU
1finny

Well said and reminding us all that this backstop is a result of the Tory government RED LINES that the EU responded to

Otherwise the Tories wouldíve gotten their cake and eat it brexit they sold to the Uk people
WHICH WAS AND IS A COMPLETE LIE

The EU have stated this so many times with patience and tolerance for the thick Brexit bunch
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gizasqueezemister Posted on 14/08/2019 08:47

Brexit: Hammond demands 'genuine' negotiations with EU
The EU, naturally, are clinging onto anything that might prevent us leaving. Ireland is their golden goose at the moment. Regardless of your in out views, seems odd we have got ourselves into something that itís impossible to get out of. Welcome to the hotel California...
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dooderooni Posted on 14/08/2019 08:54

Brexit: Hammond demands 'genuine' negotiations with EU
It's more the case that the complexity of the Good Friday Agreement and the the land border in Ireland wasn't considered during the vote. As a consequence we, the UK, has got to resolve it somehow. It's not the EU's doing, it's all down to us and the intransigence of the Tories, firstly in thinking they can do Brexit without any consultation with other parties and secondly due to the red line stipulations.
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bear66 Posted on 14/08/2019 09:02

Brexit: Hammond demands 'genuine' negotiations with EU
"Regardless of your in out views, seems odd we have got ourselves into something that itís impossible to get out of."

It's easy to get out of. It's the the stupidity of the consequences that has been exposed.
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MightyDuck Posted on 14/08/2019 12:49

Brexit: Hammond demands 'genuine' negotiations with EU
Not going to happen. Leave without a deal on 31st October, then the Tories will call an election on the 1st November and dissolve Parliament for a month. Someone else's problem to deal with during that time.
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boromike85 Posted on 14/08/2019 12:59

Brexit: Hammond demands 'genuine' negotiations with EU
The backstop or Irish border in general doesn't even need to be an issue. The only reason it is, and the only reason we talk about "No Deal" is because of the EU offering no flexibility in the sequence of negotiations. If we were able to negotiate the future trade deal alongside the withdrawal agreement then (as long as we agree some sort of free trade agreement) there would be no need for a border. The EU are definitely using it as a negotiating tactic to force us into accepting something that means Brexit in name only or not Brexiting at all.

If they are unwilling to be genuine then I see no reason why we should be. Teresa May, and the remainer lobby of MPs, are very weak and allowed this to happen by repeatedly telling the EU how No Deal isn't an option. At this stage it either means the EU have to cave and actually be genuine and do something to ensure both sides of the negotiation benefit or we leave with No Deal and both sides suffer the consequences.
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NYboro Posted on 14/08/2019 14:56

Brexit: Hammond demands 'genuine' negotiations with EU
Please explain how it's the fault of the EU. They agreed to a deal and now the UK want to start all over.
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Muttley Posted on 14/08/2019 16:03

Brexit: Hammond demands 'genuine' negotiations with EU
Unless a majority of MPs are prepared to put their country before their careers and stop this stupidity there is going to be lasting harm done to our prosperity.

The narrative surrounding leave has long since shifted from "sunlit uplands", thought "you lost get over it" to "a price worth paying".

The actual "price" is not defined, how much poorer, how many jobs lost, how many deaths? Of course these are never the price that the leavers are prepared to pay themselves. How many of your sick relatives are you leavers prepared to see die for lack of their medication stuck in a traffic jam?
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Adi_Dem Posted on 14/08/2019 16:12

Brexit: Hammond demands 'genuine' negotiations with EU
Yet more absolute horseXXXXXX Mike. Same rhetoric that always gets shown up for the nonsense it is.
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asredastheycome Posted on 14/08/2019 16:31

Brexit: Hammond demands 'genuine' negotiations with EU
Fiona Boro stop making sensible posts that the Brexit Brigade can't or don't want to understand.
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boromike85 Posted on 14/08/2019 16:58

Brexit: Hammond demands 'genuine' negotiations with EU
Yet more refusal to engage and unsubstantiated dismissals from fountain of all knowledge Adi. I haven't even made any claims or suggestions that are pro or anti brexit. You just like to be a knob it seems.

Please enlighten us with your brilliance on the topic and answer a couple of questions:

1. Who wants a border in Ireland?
2. Would the backstop/border be an issue if we negotiated a free trade deal alongside the withdrawal agreement?
3. Who'e decision is it that we are not permitted to do so.
4. If our politicians go ahead with No Deal and the EU allow it then do they not share some of the blame for the consequences?
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1finny Posted on 14/08/2019 17:11

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Mike
We started with 3 red lines - publically stated which, by the way, is outside the norm for any kind of negotiations.

Notwithstanding that - we then reached an agreement.

We now want to reopen that agreement but have insisted, up front, they scrap the border discussion.

If you wanted to you could Ďblameí the EU
But itís a little odd given the circumstances.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 14/08/2019 17:16
Edited On: 14/08/2019 17:18
Brexit: Hammond demands 'genuine' negotiations with EU
No, Iím just calling stupidity out for what it is now rather than trying to engage people intent on spouting crap. Call me names all you want, it says more about you than it does me. Itís not my fault youíre spouting utter crap.

1. Nobody. But our red lines are incompatible with that desire.
2. Depends on the nature of the agreement and in particular membership of the customs union. See our red lines.
3. Not permitted to do what?
4. No. None whatsoever. Our red lines drove us to this position. The backstop by definition is an insurance policy (that we asked for despite never really wanting) and so shouldnít be a problem because, according to the government, the border problem is easy to solve. Despite that the backstop is now a deal breaker. Hmmmm. Perplexing.
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rayban Posted on 14/08/2019 20:40

Brexit: Hammond demands 'genuine' negotiations with EU
The reality of this is that Hammond and his ilk would not vote for any negotiated deal with the EU. He/they do not want to leave under any circumstances. He is an unprincipalled, unscrupulous charlatan, with no credibility.
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Scrote Posted on 15/08/2019 00:59

Brexit: Hammond demands 'genuine' negotiations with EU
rayban - that would be a huge dereliction of duty if it were true

unfortunately you're full of crap like most brexiteers

Link: MPs votes on leaving EU
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