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Osboro Posted on 13/08/2019 07:41
USA would welcome trade deal
 
 
"you'd be 1st in the queue" says Bannon.
... Come into my pŗrlour said the spider to the fly...
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coluka Posted on 13/08/2019 07:59

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Exactly, on their terms only
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mborolad Posted on 13/08/2019 08:11

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Just like being in the EU then.......
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 13/08/2019 08:16

USA would welcome trade deal

 
To the ignorant.
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1finny Posted on 13/08/2019 08:18

USA would welcome trade deal

 
They have already said
'not if we impose a sales tax on Amazon'

Which is what we were going to do
Taking back control and all that....
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Proctors_Perm Posted on 13/08/2019 08:20

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Yeah, exactly like being in the EU, except with much lower health and safety standards, one way traffic to free markets and a complete inability to affect the situation.
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Osboro Posted on 13/08/2019 08:22

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Spot the difference
Trade within the EU.
Trade with the US.
There's a BIG difference.
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Aqualung Posted on 13/08/2019 08:24

USA would welcome trade deal

 
yeh, much easier tradng with the USA with things like fruit and veg, i mean, its only a 2 week boat trip
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Block1 Posted on 13/08/2019 08:26

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Do you think the US will stop us making trade deals with the rest of the world, you know, like the EU does?[rle]
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1finny Posted on 13/08/2019 08:28

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Fruit and veg will be the least of our worries
Their way of preserving chicken is disgusting (and wouldn't be allowed under EU rules which Gove supported on this particular issue)
Then there is the huge NHS. USA pharma's no 1 priority and one Trump has said he will make happen.
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Osboro Posted on 13/08/2019 08:30

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Please name those trade deals the EU stopped us making?
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Grrreds Posted on 13/08/2019 08:38
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USA would welcome trade deal

 
It won't be long and we will all be buying health insurance from American billionaires.

They've got their eyes on the NHS and it's money making potential, but they wont settle till they've got their hands on it.
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Block1 Posted on 13/08/2019 08:42

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Are you disputing that EU countries can make their own trade deals? Most of the poorest nations in Africa face massive tariffs on produce to keep the corrupt EU agricultural policy in place.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 13/08/2019 08:44

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Block1, you don't know what the EU was then?

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Block1 Posted on 13/08/2019 08:45

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Was?
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Grrreds Posted on 13/08/2019 08:45

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Trade deals are a red herring as far as America goes. It's all about the NHS and them wanting us to buy health insurance.

Then the 'Golf Club Gin & Tonic Brigade' who voted for Boris as their leader will realise they have XXXXXXed it (and us) up.
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Osboro Posted on 13/08/2019 08:47

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Block 1. The EU is a Trading bloc . It makes trade agreements on behalf of ALL members. Penny dropped yet. The African lie was shot down the other day, you really should keep up. Is Africa a key brexiteer issue?!?!
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Osboro Posted on 13/08/2019 08:56

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Oh, and yes the US Will stop you trading with other nations, any nation it doesn't take a fancy to.
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Boro_Bosco Posted on 13/08/2019 08:57

USA would welcome trade deal

 
"Their way of preserving chicken is disgusting"

What is this disgusting method 1finny?
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Nero Posted on 13/08/2019 08:58

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Britain will be very much the junior during any negotiations with America. I remember reading previously too that America sometimes only agree a deal with certain conditions. For example; they'll agree but only if you agree to not trade with a certain Country.

As part of a huge bloc like the EU it meant nobody (not even America or China) could push you about.
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foomanboro Posted on 13/08/2019 08:59
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USA would welcome trade deal

 
Yep iím sure the Trump administration are licking their lips at the prospect privatising our NHS, lowering the standards of our food controls and buying a controlling share in most our flagship business and industries on the cheap.

We are a lame sitting duck right now. Taking back control indeed.
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Osboro Posted on 13/08/2019 09:01

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Bosco, remember the footbaths at Berwick hills baths..that disgusting
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Boro_Bosco Posted on 13/08/2019 09:07

USA would welcome trade deal

 
So he's not on about preseving he's talking about killing off potentially harmful bacteria using the same methods european salad growers use & using the same chemical we inject into our water supply. Truly disgusting.
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dooderooni Posted on 13/08/2019 09:18

USA would welcome trade deal

 
It's probably just coincidence Bosco, but US chicken is regularly found to have significantly higher instances of salmonella than EU chicken. That might have nothing to do with the methods of production of course. If we do agree to import cheap US chicken it'll put economic pressure on our own producers and it'll possibly put a few out of business. That pressure might also lead us to lower our own production standards which could make it impossible to export to the EU.

These are very serious considerations.
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Osboro Posted on 13/08/2019 09:22

USA would welcome trade deal

 
The dosage in a chicken bath is 50 times higher than a swimming pool. Let's not be economical with the truth Bosco. It's the food we eat for goodness sake
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 13/08/2019 09:23

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Become a vegetarian or better still a vegan - help save the planet and be healthier [^]




🐔
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Osboro Posted on 13/08/2019 09:26

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Not averse to that. Going Veggie 2 days a week. Recommend any cook books?
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TrappaTony Posted on 13/08/2019 09:30

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Block1 that is exactly what they will do if we do deals with Huawei. If it's Huawei it will be the "Highway for us.

And if we block Huawei the Chinese have already said there will be serious consequences. Simple this Global Britain stuff, isn't it? [rle] doh!
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Osboro Posted on 13/08/2019 09:37

USA would welcome trade deal

 
If only we could join with other small countries to stop these Bully's trappa. Block 1 ? Any ideas where we could start?
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Wev1 Posted on 13/08/2019 09:48

USA would welcome trade deal

 
"Do you think the US will stop us making trade deals with the rest of the world, you know, like the EU does?[rle]"

They probably will to be honest, or at least put major contractual hurdles on them. Something along the lines of buy our crap cars and bleached chicken and we want a guarantee of the best of any rates you're offering, and no penalties on US companies.

The EU does the deals on our behalf (over 200), and UK staff are (were) some of the main players in organising those deals, so those 200 deals are effectively our own deals, that we're about to throw in the bin.

Are you saying you want a trade deal with any other countries outside of those 200, if so who? Can you think of any reasons why they wouldn't want to do a trade deal with the EU, but will do with us? I can think of a few:

They don't want to deal with a big or bigger player (the EU), as they won't get as good a deal. The bigger guy will always get the best deal.

They don't want high standards, as they can't meet them or their country would go broke, trying to meet them.

They're corrupt, communist, downright dodgy etc

They will want to trade with the UK, as we will be in a much weakened position, the desperate man takes any deal.

It's the same as why the US would want to deal with us, on their terms. When we were in the EU we had parity and a large trading block, with higher standards than the US. They will gladly do a deal with a country breaking off, which will be in a weaker position and unable to defend itself against bullying by the US.

I don't know how any leaver would prefer our governments to do any sort of deals, when they perceive our governments as extremely weak and the EU as being extremely tough. It's like sending Sally from the salon to do a deal instead of Allan Sugar.

I wouldn't trust our governments to deal a game of blackjack, never mind try and sort out 100's of trade deals at the same time, from a much weakened position than we had sat on the EU table.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 13/08/2019 10:07

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Whatís that sound?

Oh yes, itís the vultures circling.

We are deliberately putting ourselves on the weakest of weak trading positions. The US and no doubt China will smell our desperation. Thereís blood in the water and yet cretins continue to hail this as great news.
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Craggsy2 Posted on 13/08/2019 10:31

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Sounds like we are heading in the direction of becoming the 51st State of America. Along with all the other trading conditions fancy getting involved in another Middle East war anybody?
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TrappaTony Posted on 13/08/2019 10:35

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Well put os there is none so blind as those that will not see, that they will be throwing the baby out with the bath water.

A nice mixed metaphor there and how about thi one by realising we can't have our cake and eat it without an EU divorce agreement, we are back to square one and out of the frying pan and into the fire of a world dominated by dinosaur, demagogues, embroiled in a very destructive trade war.
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bear66 Posted on 13/08/2019 10:49

USA would welcome trade deal

 
"Most of the poorest nations in Africa face massive tariffs on produce to keep the corrupt EU agricultural policy in place."

Err, no they don't. The exact opposite. The USA does though.
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Osboro Posted on 13/08/2019 11:36

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Are brexiteers
Gullable mugs?
Poorly read?
Lying to save face.
Not quite sure....but come on , get real
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zaphod Posted on 13/08/2019 11:48

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Any trade deal with the US would have to go through Congress. The House of Representatives is Democrat-controlled and would be very hostile to any Government that damaged Ireland. Irish interests are very powerful in the US and especially in the Democratic Party.
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CountOfCleveland Posted on 13/08/2019 11:55

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Hopefully we'll be a right wing government until the states switches governments to a slightly less right wing one.

The Count. [pa]
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Osboro Posted on 13/08/2019 12:15

USA would welcome trade deal

 
There isn't an "o" in that word.
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Muttley Posted on 13/08/2019 12:19

USA would welcome trade deal

 
...like a crocodile welcomes a wildebeest to a river.
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CountOfCleveland Posted on 13/08/2019 12:23

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Originality with put downs clearly not your strongest point is it dear Osboro.

The Count. [pa]
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Osboro Posted on 13/08/2019 12:27

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Beer me. Oh no that's your other one isn't it.

You could always join in as a real grown up rather than a fictional fool
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CountOfCleveland Posted on 13/08/2019 12:32
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USA would welcome trade deal

 
Well sir, you're wrong in thinking I'm someone else... obviously you are too quick to come up with conspiracies.

After reading some of your "arguments" I'm quite concerned you believe them to be "grown up.

The Count. [pa]
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Fuchs_ache Posted on 13/08/2019 12:32

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Bleached chicken!!! Oh dear me, does the water you drink in the UK have bleach in too? [rle]
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Osboro Posted on 13/08/2019 12:37

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Good contribution to the debate. Well done.
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CountOfCleveland Posted on 13/08/2019 12:39

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Oh so simple yet ineffective. Sound a little too close to home?

The Count [pa]
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Osboro Posted on 13/08/2019 12:43

USA would welcome trade deal

 
WTF? sad sad man, sorry no more attention from me.
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CountOfCleveland Posted on 13/08/2019 12:50
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USA would welcome trade deal

 
So you have a lack attention span too? Oh dear, I see you were not spanked enough as a child then. Just as an adult.

The Count. [pa]
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gazzastrip2 Posted on 13/08/2019 13:05

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Theres a certain type of poster on this board that looks for the negative side in everything- particularly politics and particularly if it gos against their political beliefs.

I am not a Trump supporter, but 3-4 years ago Obama forcibly said we would be at the back of the queue for a trade deal on leaving the EU. The US are now saying we are first in the queue but plenty jump on the negativity bandwagon.

When Obama put us at the back of the queue were the same posters exclaiming how great that was and that we wouldn't have to eat chlorinated chicken or worry about the US pinching our NHS?

No they would have been whinging and moaning just like now as its what they like to do!

This country is going to be unbearable over the next few years, because driven by the BBC and the like, every bad news story is going to get major coverage and mass " I TOLD YOU SO " from those that know better and joyfully tell everyone how clever they were. Most of this board will be in ecstasy!!!
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Adi_Dem Posted on 13/08/2019 13:11

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Just when you think the delusion and idiocy has peaked...
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Osboro Posted on 13/08/2019 13:13
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USA would welcome trade deal

 
Sorry Gazza. That's Simplistic and naive.
This statement on TRADE was made by one of the most extreme hawks in trump's zoo.Trumps National SECURITY Adviser. Is his motivator trade?!?! Really?!?!?!
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gazzastrip2 Posted on 13/08/2019 13:43

USA would welcome trade deal

 
But imagine the moaning and vitriol if he had said we were at the back of the queue!

My point being that there are many on here who love to ram their opinions down others throats always think they are right and can never accept or understand why anyone may have a different opinion or view and jump all over anything and everything and put a negative bias on it!
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Muttley Posted on 13/08/2019 14:01

USA would welcome trade deal

 
And then there are idiots who when their folly has been pointed out to them think that their idiocy should be given the same credence as fact based opinions.

Which part of "America First" confuses you or makes you think that "Good old Donny" is to be trusted?
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bear66 Posted on 13/08/2019 14:06

USA would welcome trade deal

 
"When Obama put us at the back of the queue"

Fantastic news. Oh . . . he's not the President and we will now be taken over by the USA in quick time with no benefit to anyone on this board or the rest of the 99% in this country.
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1finny Posted on 13/08/2019 14:07

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Gazza
I, and everyone I know, will take no joy whatsoever if even half of the problems we expect over the next 5 years or so come home to roost.


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Adi_Dem Posted on 13/08/2019 14:08

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Itís not a question of opinion or negative bias. On the one side you have facts being presented and on the other a lot of bluster and wilful ignorance. Itís tiresome.
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gazzastrip2 Posted on 13/08/2019 14:49

USA would welcome trade deal

 
So when we leave the EU you lot dont want a trade deal with the USA?

Or you do want a deal but only if it is with Obama or an Obama type president and not with Trump?

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Adi_Dem Posted on 13/08/2019 15:02
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USA would welcome trade deal

 
Oh FFS.

I donít give a XXXXXX who the President is.

If we leave without a deal we will be in an incredibly weak bargaining position. We may have to do a trade deal with the US (though that would likely take a long time) but it will be hugely unbalanced, place us at a significant disadvantage and see us cede the very control many Leave voters thought they were Ďwinningí.

Itís jot a question of whether Iíd want a trade deal with the US (though actually on balance itís unlikely that I will), itís the position we are putting ourselves in by putting the great many trade deals we are already a part of in the bin, putting ourselves in a vulnerable negotiating position such that we bend over for the US and all to secure a trade deal that would represent a fraction of the trade that we are throwing away.

Itís XXXXXX monumental stupidity and if you canít see it then youíre an idiot. Itís that simple.
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bear66 Posted on 13/08/2019 15:25

USA would welcome trade deal

 
"Or you do want a deal but only if it is with Obama or an Obama type president and not with Trump?"

As I said (inferred) above, with neither.
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Muttley Posted on 13/08/2019 15:44

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Imagine you are a lone gnu, your have roamed the plains of the mighty Serengeti with your family and heard. A mighty heard, one of the most powerful and healthy heards in the whole of Africa. But, you have decided that the rules of the heard are not for you. It's time to back control of your own destiny; so off you go across the plains until you come to a river. A river with some logs that appear to be floating against the current...

You see it's not so much with who the president is, though the additional fact that it is the frankly sociopathic egomaniac currently in office scares the shidt out of me, more to do with the inescapable fact that we are an unaccompanied wildebeest trying to cross a crocodile infested river whilst covered in gravy and one of the logs just winked at me...
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Millbrook100 Posted on 13/08/2019 16:34

USA would welcome trade deal

 
The EU does not consider chlorinated chicken to be unsafe to eat.
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clive_road_stamper Posted on 13/08/2019 16:45

USA would welcome trade deal

 
I love chlorinated chicken. Fried
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Osboro Posted on 13/08/2019 16:47

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Correct. But they recognise it encourages poor hygiene earlier in the process and therefore forbids it. IDIOT
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Adi_Dem Posted on 13/08/2019 16:59

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Correct Osboro. The extent to which people have lapped up this nonsense is frightening.
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Millbrook100 Posted on 13/08/2019 17:00

USA would welcome trade deal

 
I realise that osboro but was merely replying to a post that implied it was unsafe to eat because of chlorination.

Tell me when you decided to end your post with an abusive comment were you looking in the mirror.
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Osboro Posted on 13/08/2019 17:04

USA would welcome trade deal

 
You were being selective to cause confusion . Were you not?
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Millbrook100 Posted on 13/08/2019 17:21
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USA would welcome trade deal

 
Not at all I was being very specific about whether it - chlorination - rendered chicken unsafe to eat. Chicken is inherently unsafe and needs cooking to the proper temperature.

I shall continue to eat UK chicken and happily exchange views with you without offensive behaviour.
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Small_town Posted on 13/08/2019 17:25

USA would welcome trade deal

 
You were being specific about chlorinated chicken, whilst entirely ignoring Osboroís post about hygiene.

Interesting.
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Millbrook100 Posted on 13/08/2019 17:34

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Do you mean this one;

The dosage in a chicken bath is 50 times higher than a swimming pool. Let's not be economical with the truth Bosco. It's the food we eat for goodness sake
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Small_town Posted on 13/08/2019 17:39

USA would welcome trade deal

 
No
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Millbrook100 Posted on 13/08/2019 17:48

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Which one then?
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Small_town Posted on 13/08/2019 17:51

USA would welcome trade deal

 
The post about hygiene, as I have already said.
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brattleboro Posted on 13/08/2019 18:13

USA would welcome trade deal

 
how some people sleep on this board ,i dont know,worry,worry,worry,
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mitch_at_merseyside Posted on 13/08/2019 18:15

USA would welcome trade deal

 
All trade deals are struck on a sector by sector basis. In terms of healthcare, I donít know why people are coming to conclusions that the NHS will be sold off and we will end up paying for healthcare in an insurance based system. Australia has a free healthcare system and didnít sell of their healthcare system when they successfully negotiated a trade deal with the US.

I doubt these fears of privatized healthcare or chlorinated chicken would arise had Obama been the President currently. In negotiations you can walk away, just like Brexit, itís not ideal and a deal is in everybodyís interests but we arenít forced to have a trade deal that includes opening up of the NHS.

We need to do more to protect and grow industries across all sectors of the economy, but a trade deal with the US will have benefits as will other trade deals we strike once we leave the EU on a bilateral basis.
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Fuchs_ache Posted on 13/08/2019 18:17

USA would welcome trade deal

 
They donít sleep, they stay awake scanning the news to see what Boris and Donald are up to, so they can post on a message board on how the world is going to end.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 13/08/2019 18:27

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Such incredible naivety.
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Trug Posted on 13/08/2019 18:29

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Of course the USA would welcome a trade deal- they only believe in winners and losers. As the USA is the biggest bully of all, what do you think their position will be?
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Millbrook100 Posted on 13/08/2019 18:36

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Small Town I can't find one before my post, do point me towards it please
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brattleboro Posted on 13/08/2019 18:37

USA would welcome trade deal

 
very true fuchs sake[:D][:D]
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mitch_at_merseyside Posted on 13/08/2019 18:49

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Look we all know the facts, weíre just a dwarf compared to the size of the USA. So in that respect they have a bigger hand than us when it comes to a trade deal, but Iím sorry I just donít buy this whole idea itíll be the end of the NHS as we know it and our markets will be flooded with products with far inferior standards than our own.

I want to see free trade deals with the USA and the European Union, and thereís no reason why we couldnít. Just deliberately being negative and condescending to people who have a different opinion to you wonít make things change. Trade deals as noted take a while to be ratified and a lot can and will happen during that time.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 13/08/2019 18:55

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Nothing will make things change. Iíve given up trying to reason. Facts, evidence and truth have no currency so Iím at the stage where Iíll just call it what it is: stupidity.
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Wev1 Posted on 13/08/2019 19:05

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Mitch, the AUS-USA trade deal came in over 10 years ago and was 60 years in the making, hard to compare that with ours. USA big pharma has been putting massive pressure on their deal also, and will put even more pressure on ours.

That trade deal with USA started ok (even trade), but got massively leavered in the USAís favour, over the years, now AUS import twice as much from the USA as they sell. Itís now widely reported that this deal is actually hurting the Australian economy, and hurting their other deals.

Thereís no way we come off on parity with the USA, the one with an economy 10x the size will end up far better off, and thatís not us.
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Wev1 Posted on 13/08/2019 19:14

USA would welcome trade deal

 
If only there was a similar sized trading block to the USA, right on our doorstep with a free trade agreement readily available, zero customs issues and with a further 200 trade deals with others already in place. Oh wait there is, weíre part of it already, and we created a big part of their existing deals. Now weíre setting fire to it, and Boris is throwing on petrol.

Funny how leavers donít see that being part of this has helped us grow so much, yet think a deal with bully boy USA or no deal with the EU is going to be just as good or better.

Itís absolutely crazy to think weíve not benefitted so much already, and thereís an extremely high probability of things going bad for us. It wonít be the elite that suffer the most though, itís the guys at the bottom that will.
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Mfc79 Posted on 13/08/2019 20:15

USA would welcome trade deal

 
I wonder if the US will insist on us having an open border policy with them
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red_harrington Posted on 13/08/2019 20:18

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Good post Wev1 [^]

Trouble is that despite that and many, many other similar reasonable, rational and sensible posts, those that have voted leave still want to 'just leave' [|)]
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big-eggo Posted on 13/08/2019 20:35

USA would welcome trade deal

 
We are not exactly playing with a good hand at the moment are we?
US 'America First' negotiators will recognise this and will be really keen to do some deals - advantageous for them, not us - just in case you lack economic awareness.
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BoroGold2 Posted on 13/08/2019 20:42

USA would welcome trade deala big one if you can't afford to

 
I bet they would welcome a trade deal but at what price ? maybe too high a price, if it means you can't afford to be ill.

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foomanboro Posted on 13/08/2019 20:45

USA would welcome trade deal

 
There is something quite ironic about people being so blinded by toxic nationalism that they cant see that they are selling out their own sovereignty to a foreign power.
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br14 Posted on 13/08/2019 23:01
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USA would welcome trade deal

 
"There is something quite ironic about people being so blinded by toxic nationalism that they cant see that they are selling out their own sovereignty to a foreign power."

Couldn't agree more. Toxic EU nationalism is a real problem.

When two sovereign nations negotiate a trade deal, they can choose what to put on the table, and their partner can decide whether they want to stay at the table or leave.

Unlike with the EU, where Brussels negotiates for the benefit of the loudest voice - e.g. Germany - and those without a voice (which is everyone else) lose out - e.g. Irish beef farmers.

At a recent negotiation, the EU agreed to transfer a huge portion of their beef quota to the US and expand quotas for south America in exchange for a delay in the imposition of US tariffs on German cars.

Needless to say Irish beef farmers were none too happy. Not for the first time.
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JigSaw Posted on 13/08/2019 23:09

USA would welcome trade deal

 
And yet EU approval is astronomically high in agricultural Ireland. Funny that.
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JigSaw Posted on 13/08/2019 23:11

USA would welcome trade deal

 
And I find it amazing that all trade policy is dictated by Germany yet it was little old Belgium that held up CETA.

It's almost like you're talking complete shyte
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Adi_Dem Posted on 13/08/2019 23:18

USA would welcome trade deal

 
Oh he is taking absolute shyte. Itís what he does.
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Liamo Posted on 13/08/2019 23:57

USA would welcome trade deal

 
''The US are now saying we are first in the queue but plenty jump on the negativity bandwagon.''

The person saying we will be first in the queue is a National Security Advisor with no involvement in or authority over trade policy.

The US Congress controls trade agreements and some of its most influential members have said they will oppose a trade agreement if the UK does anything that might put the Good Friday agreement at risk by changing the current open border arrangements in Ireland.

Like for instance, Boris Johnson's stated aim of getting the EU to drop the backstop.

Richard Neal, who chairs the powerful House ways and means committee, which has the power to hold up a trade deal indefinitely, stated:

''I would have little enthusiasm for entertaining a bilateral trade agreement with the UK, if they were to jeopardise the [Good Friday] agreement.''

Nancy Pelosi has said essentially the same thing.
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