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ExFootyLegs Posted on 10/07/2019 12:54
Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
 
Boris Johnson ; the Tory saviour throws an innocent man under a bus and the 160,000 faithful are about to overwhelmingly vote a big fat YES to the most vile of individuals to become Prime Minister in our history.

When you thought it couldn't get any worse with Brexit. The UK just hit a new low.

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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 10/07/2019 12:58

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
the Thick Man of Europe
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FatCat Posted on 10/07/2019 13:32

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Threw him under a bus - the guy signed his own death warrant by his own negligence - how is this Boris Johnson’s fault. The guys position was untenable!
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dragged_up_in_whinneybanks Posted on 10/07/2019 13:35

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Making those comments about Trump was ridiculous. Deserves to get fired.
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coluka Posted on 10/07/2019 13:39
Edited On: 10/07/2019 13:42
Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
The problem was not so much what he wrote, the leaking of it is the real issue. It means Ambassadors cant trust someone (or more) in the civil service or worse an MP. They will need to be much more careful in language used though
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B-MAN Posted on 10/07/2019 13:43

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Deserves to get fired?! You do realise what his job was don’t you? You do realise the comments were leaked don’t you?
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festa5 Posted on 10/07/2019 14:10

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
BMAN, you're wasting your time mate. If people can't grasp the pretty basic concept of what his job was then you might as well talk to a brick wall.

The way some go on you'd think he'd put the comments on social media. Just like Trump has done.

I'm yet to see them criticise Trump for making unprofessional comments and intentionally putting them in the public domain. Strange that.
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FatCat Posted on 10/07/2019 14:22

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
We know what his job was - as someone mentioned above he should temper his comments so in the eventuality of a leak which is highly likely these days he would be able to defend his comments.

As it is he can’t - his position was untenable and he has rightly resigned before being fired. trump had already said they won’t deal with him so the writing was in the wall. But as usual the remoaners jump on the it’s Boris Johnson’s fault!
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TheFair86 Posted on 10/07/2019 14:28

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Amazing that people in England are putting the feelings of a buffoon like Trump over the candid opinions of what a British diplomat said in private. Can guarantee you that many MP's and diplomats will have said worse - you don't temper your comments in the expectation that someone is going to leak an email.

Should the world refuse to deal with the USA over everything that has been released via wikileaks over their cables, friendly fire and worse?
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FatCat Posted on 10/07/2019 14:30

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Oh come off it the fair how in gods name could this guy have stayed in his current position?
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NYboro Posted on 10/07/2019 14:31

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
It would be pointless for an ambassador to "temper his comments". Diplomatic Telegrams are expected to contain that information - it's how the Government learns more about the real workings of a foreign power.
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boromike85 Posted on 10/07/2019 14:33

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
There's no issue with what he wrote. It is what he is required to do. He didn't send them or leak them himself. There is no reason he should ever be fired for what he wrote which is why he wasn't in 2017 when they were written.

However, I think it is right that he has resigned. It is the only option. He will not be trusted by the people that he needs to be trusted by to do his job on the other side of the Atlantic so his position is untenable, unfortunately.

Whether Boris backs him or not is just a sideshow. If this happens outside of a leadership contest it gets very little coverage but as it is there's a Hunt v Boris Brexit angle that can whip people into a frenzy.
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BoroFur Posted on 10/07/2019 14:34

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
I'm not sure you understand the role of an Ambassador. He is effectively a non-political civil servant and his job is to relay information to the government, often candid in nature.

The method of communication used is secure and the information is received by a limited number of security cleared individuals meaning he can say precisely the sort of things he did without fear of leaks; or so he thought.

The person who leaked this information is contemptible and should be charged with treason.
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goalscrounger Posted on 10/07/2019 14:38

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
So a British ambassador should deliberately withhold or twist information that they report back to the UK in case the confidential reports get leaked and upset the host nation? Kind of like what happened in Iran then? That worked out well.

Link: Shah
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foomanboro Posted on 10/07/2019 14:38

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Brexit has made us America’s biatch. Sad to see our country cowtailing to the Americans. Sign of things to come under the Boris leadership.

This is taking back control is it?
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Small_town Posted on 10/07/2019 15:00

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Fatcat and dragged up.. clearly don’t understand how things work.

Suggesting someone should loose his job for DOING his job.
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jam69 Posted on 10/07/2019 15:04

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
brexit supporters turning us into a laughing stock, groveling to a misogynistic racist over a man doing what hes paid to do.
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foomanboro Posted on 10/07/2019 15:08
Edited On: 10/07/2019 15:15
Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Boris is a traitorous piece of work. He literally threw his countryman under a bus to placate the yanks.

Boris doesn’t care about this country. He’s simply looking to get cushy job in the US as a consultant or after dinner speaker once he’s sold the NHS to US big pharm.
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uncle_rico Posted on 10/07/2019 15:18

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
State of this thread [:D][cr]
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FatCat Posted on 10/07/2019 15:25

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
The Boris situation and this are not linked - if this had of happened at any time the guy would have had to resign!! You need to remove this sort of bias from your thinking it won’t help you in life!
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foomanboro Posted on 10/07/2019 15:30

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Except the ambassador himself said he resigned because of the Boris' failure to support him.

There is literally a link from the horses mouth.
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Small_town Posted on 10/07/2019 15:32

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
They are inextricably linked Fatcat.

Are you even aware of what you’re commenting on? You seem to be missing a lot.
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uncle_rico Posted on 10/07/2019 15:59

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
I don't see why Boris should support him. Darroch embarrassed himself and the UK, and brought his position and the UK government into disrepute. It's irrelevant what you think of the Boris Johnson or the American president.
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jam69 Posted on 10/07/2019 16:00

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
another one who doesn't understand his role, or doesn't want to
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FartingGnome Posted on 10/07/2019 16:01

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
He didn't embarrass himself. Somebody made a secret document public. For the umpteenth time, he was doing his job.
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foomanboro Posted on 10/07/2019 16:05
Edited On: 10/07/2019 16:07
Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Yep some very ignorant posts by people thinking that the British ambassadors role is to lie about the state of our relations with the US, instead of reporting back the real situation.

Our ambassador works for UK not the US.
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inter_me_nan Posted on 10/07/2019 16:18

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Brexit is now a religion. Anything which isn't on message (Boris is brilliant, Brexit is great, any one who disagrees is a lefty/bad loser) is going to shot down by the true believers (even though Johnson himself is an opportunist who waited until the last minute to decide which way to jump).

When we are out-and if the path doesn't lead to Britannia ruling the waves again-I wonder how may of the right wing ra-ras on here will be changing their user names? I've never myself lived in a world that seems to have so little ambiguity or sophistication as their's. Like all religions Brexit is attractive because you don't need to think about it much-just accept, believe and rain damnation on the philistines.

The eventual judgement should be fun.
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Borocelt Posted on 10/07/2019 17:10

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
The thick man of Europe [^]

Where the shouty and the stupid are heeded, and the thoughtful and measured are mocked and sneered at.
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two_banks_of_four Posted on 10/07/2019 17:15

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are XXXXXXsure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”
B Russell
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squarewheelbike Posted on 10/07/2019 17:25

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Irony of all this is, in the past Boris has said a lot worse about Trump, but everyone's forgotten that.
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Konrad_the_Barbarian Posted on 10/07/2019 17:26

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
"Except the ambassador himself said he resigned because of the Boris' failure to support him.

There is literally a link from the horses mouth."

Nothing in his resignation letter about Boris.


Link: Letter
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squarewheelbike Posted on 10/07/2019 17:26

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Irony of all this is, in the past Boris has said a lot worse about Trump, but everyone's forgotten that.
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FatCat Posted on 10/07/2019 18:39

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
How are they inextricably linked - I’ll bet you all the money in the world
If this had of happened at any other time under any other party the result would be the same, his position was untenable - surely you can see that.
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Scrote Posted on 10/07/2019 20:24

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
It happened BECAUSE there's a leadership election - itself caused by Brexit.

The leak was timed to embarrass the UK and create a vacuum in a position that will now be filled at the whim of the next PM.

Anyone who can't follow that thread is being wilfully blind.

The source of the leak needs to be found and prosecuted.
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Tomkd Posted on 10/07/2019 20:33

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
A big part of his role is to maintain diplomacy between the countries that was no longer possible after those comments. Yes they appear accurate and yes they shouldn’t of been leaked but you have to be very naive to put anything like that down in writing. It’s like if you speak to a colleague or boss about an awkward or difficult client, you say it in words in private but never put it down in writing. It’s just asking for trouble.
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billyzin Posted on 10/07/2019 20:35

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
How dare he tell the truth about a liar.
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FartingGnome Posted on 10/07/2019 20:44

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
He joined the Foreign Office in 1976 and the Diplomatic Corps in 1980 as First Secretary in Tokyo. He was one of Britain's most senior and experienced diplomats. At a guess he knows more than the experts on here what he can and can't put in diplomatic cables. He was doing his job.
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FatCat Posted on 10/07/2019 20:49

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
The clues in the title “Diplomat” and sadly he wasn’t very diplomatic.

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jam69 Posted on 10/07/2019 20:50

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
yeah but brexit
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redfort Posted on 10/07/2019 20:51

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
"The leak was timed to embarrass the UK and create a vacuum in a position that will now be filled at the whim of the next PM."

You clearly have no idea how our foreign diplomats are selected. How ironic you claim other people are being "willfully blind".
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Fabios_porkpie_provider Posted on 10/07/2019 20:52

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
You seem to have a complete lack of understanding about his actual role, Fatcat.
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jam69 Posted on 10/07/2019 20:53

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
hes not alone, see above
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keelo Posted on 10/07/2019 20:54

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Can't argue with the OP.... what a fkn state this country is in and about to get a whole lot worse with the clown that is Johnson...ffs when will it end...praying doesn't seem to work...
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redfort Posted on 10/07/2019 21:05

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Would be wonderful if jam69 actually supported the things he posts for once. Here's to hoping.
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jam69 Posted on 10/07/2019 21:11

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
would be wonderful if redfort had some pride in his country instead of sniffing round trumps XXXXXX like a pet poodle.
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Small_town Posted on 10/07/2019 21:26

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Fatcat, what I can see is a diplomat doing his job and being screwed over by whoever leaked his report. I'm honestly amazed you don't think that diplomats need to report on the status of the administrations they are liaising with. That bit I'm stunned you don't get.

The bit about it being inextricably linked to Bozo? well there was a national TV debate from our two prospective leaders last night One of them supported his civil servant, the other didn't. It's that simple
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redfort Posted on 10/07/2019 21:29

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Doesn't take long before jam69 starts abusing and insulting people.
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jam69 Posted on 10/07/2019 21:32

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
thought I would take a leaf out of your book redfort [^]
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redfort Posted on 10/07/2019 21:35

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
No, you thought you'd try and deflect attention away from being called out. As usual. Now wait for the cavalry.
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Fuchs_ache Posted on 10/07/2019 21:44

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Aaah the American presidents poodle, wasn’t Tony Bliar the original?
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jam69 Posted on 10/07/2019 21:45

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
called out by who, for what ? 😁
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FatCat Posted on 10/07/2019 23:30

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Small town - do you think whatever Boris had said could have saved him - trump had already said he wouldn’t deal with him,

Also what if the debate hasn’t have been last night the guy would still have been gone today.

They are really not linked - the Boris haters just looking for tenuous links between Boris and anything to make him look bad.
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Scrote Posted on 11/07/2019 02:02

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
FatCat - nothing about being a Boris hater

Darroch did his job and should have been supported by persons aiming to be PM of the UK.

Johnson not backing Darroch was a shot across the bows - Johnson is odds on to be the next PM - without his support Darroch had no option other than to resign - being thrown under the £350M bus doesn't leave much room for manoeuver.

In any normal time, we would have dismissed the US ambassador in a tit-for-tat exchange. Anyone clinging onto "taking back sovereignty" needs to give their heads a shake.
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Greenandblack Posted on 11/07/2019 07:14

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Darroch was doing his job, and what happened wasn't his fault, but his position clearly was untenable.

It's not as though Trump will remember any of this in a month.
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Small_town Posted on 11/07/2019 07:49

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Fatcat. If course it could have saved him. The current prime minister and the other potential prime minister both backed him. If BoZo had done the same he'd be in a much stronger position.
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FatCat Posted on 11/07/2019 07:56

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
So imagine they saved him and the Trump wouldn’t deal with him as indicated. Then what?

Boris Johnson is irrelevant to how this played out really.

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bear66 Posted on 11/07/2019 07:59

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
100% Boris kowtowing to Trump. What a disgraceful, duplicitous weakling we'll soon have as an MP.

At least May can now put an Ambassador in place before Boris becomes PM (what an embarrassment Farage would have been as our US Ambassador).
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big-eggo Posted on 11/07/2019 08:03

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Boris, for all of his ineptitude, cannot be blamed for this as I see it.

The ambassador was required to provide a frank assessment on current US government. He did exactly that. He could have lied and said everything was just peachy. Words used could be substituted for others but they would not make lighter reading.

Real problem here is that the civil service have been compromised. Those responsible should be prosecuted and their motives made clear.

There is no damage to the special relationship. Lets face facts, its only special when it comes to the UK having to support US military action.
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Small_town Posted on 11/07/2019 08:23

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
He's not irrelevant at all. If he had supported him, he might not have resigned.

That would have helped us to not look weak in front of the Americans.

Sadly BoZo wants to be Trump's lapdog.
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jam69 Posted on 11/07/2019 08:59

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Johnson not supporting him sends a signal, how desperate we are for American help and how much they can dictate to us, also I would imagine thetes many in the diplomatic service not relishing Johnson becoming MP when he will throw them under a bus on a whim.
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Small_town Posted on 11/07/2019 09:00

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Exactly.
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Fuchs_ache Posted on 11/07/2019 10:16

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
He got caught out sending his snipes, indefensible.
Unfortunately for the lefty’s it will all blow over shortly. [^]
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Small_town Posted on 11/07/2019 10:21
Edited On: 11/07/2019 10:31
Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
He got caught out DOING HIS JOB.

I’m honestly bemused as to why people can’t understand it. A man has been forced to resign for DOING HIS JOB and his position wasn’t helped by the probable next 1st lord of the treasury failing to back him.

Why can people not work out what diplomats should be doing? It’s amazing.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 11/07/2019 10:29

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
FuchsAche, he was sent there by our government because he was good enough to do the job. He's done what was asked of him and is now being made a scapegoat due to governmental incapability.



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Fuchs_ache Posted on 11/07/2019 10:30

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Ahh sorry my bad, I didn’t realise it was his job to slag off the people he was meant to be keeping a diplomatic relationship with, maybe they need to change the job description then if that’s the case eh?
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hewielewie Posted on 11/07/2019 10:31

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Darroch was due to go on leave over the summer. By the time he came back Trump will have forgotten about it.
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Small_town Posted on 11/07/2019 10:35

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Fuchs, are you being deliberately obtuse now?

One of his jobs, surely even you can see this, would be to assess the regime of the country he is a diplomat for. It’s obviously important for the foreign office to know who the countries we have diplomatic relationships with are being run.

If he sees problems with the regime he’s not only welcome but OBLIGED to report these. It’s important information. Let’s face it, from the outside most of us assume the Trump administration is a ridiculous shambles. So hearing it being reported is no surprise.

You really should think a bit more. Sir Darrochs issue was that someone leaked his confidential report. Someone shafted him, you’ve got to admit it looks like someone from the BoZo camp as part of his bid to be PM.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 11/07/2019 10:37

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
No, he believes what he's saying, remarkable isn't it?
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Fuchs_ache Posted on 11/07/2019 10:52

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Remarkable that an educated man got caught out, those emails/memos reworded and nothing is said, simple as that.
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hewielewie Posted on 11/07/2019 10:58

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Reworded? How is he going to reword that the Trump administration is in chaos?
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Small_town Posted on 11/07/2019 11:00

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Good point. Fuchs: what do you expect him to reword the emails to?

Do you expect him to lie? That wouldn’t really help.

They are confidential so he can say what he likes, as long as it’s what he observes.
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Small_town Posted on 11/07/2019 11:05

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
So here is the challenge for Fuchs, seeing as he seems to know better:

Mr Darroch found that the Trump regime was “clumsy and inept”

PLease try and reword that phrase in a way that: a still tell the correct story of how the regime is run and b: doesn’t offend the most sensitive foreign leader in history?

It’s a tough one but you appear to have the answer.
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Fuchs_ache Posted on 11/07/2019 11:06

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Fair enough, but the words inept and clumsy led to his downfall.
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hewielewie Posted on 11/07/2019 11:14

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
No they didn't
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Small_town Posted on 11/07/2019 11:16

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
I disagree. The words appear to be correct.

Whomever leaked the words and Boris lack of support lead to his downfall .

It's possibly some sort of power play by the most devious of politicians.
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ThePenguin Posted on 11/07/2019 12:43

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
"Real problem here is that the civil service have been compromised."

And not for the first time. Darroch has already incurred the wrath of the American administration when his comments about "influencing Trump" in correspondence to May found their way into the public domain.
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FatCat Posted on 11/07/2019 14:34

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Small town if I suspend reality and go with your thinking that if Boris had of supported him then he may not have resigned then what - we would have an ambassador that the Americans would not have dealt with, then what? He was gone the second trump said he wouldn’t deal with him , nothing to do with Boris.

In the above we also have to assume that he 100per cent resigned because Boris didn’t support him and that the support of May and Hunt was not enough for him.

As mentioned it’s all very tenuous and Boris is irrelevant to this whole play.

Like it or not Boris will be PM and there will be many who as you have done put the fault of all that is bad in the world at his door - nobody minds you having a view on Boris but don’t let it blind you from the truth in this situation.
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goalscrounger Posted on 11/07/2019 15:21

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
FatCat, you're half right. Having an Ambassador that the Americans permanently refused to deal with makes his position untenable. However Darroch resigned when he realised that the PM-elect wasn't going to back him and so Trump's stance would remain unchallenged by the UK. Had 10 Downing Street insisted that he remain their man in Washington Trump would have eventually climbed down.
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ThePenguin Posted on 11/07/2019 15:27

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
"Trump would have eventually climbed down."

Ha. You genuinely believe this?
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goalscrounger Posted on 11/07/2019 19:47
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Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
He does this all the time Penguin. And I mean weekly. It wasn't even really news over here that he insulted Darroch on twitter as he's done it so many times...... sports stars, celebrities, overseas politicians and leaders, opposition politicians and even members of his own party. Like a toddler threatening to leave home because he wasn't allowed ice cream for breakfast, he quickly calms down and moves onto the next tantrum.
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br14 Posted on 11/07/2019 23:24
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Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
"However Darroch resigned when he realised that the PM-elect wasn't going to back him"

I think the resignation actually coincided with his exclusion from a meeting between Liam Fox and the US government. He must have seen the writing on the wall.

But either he or his friends decided to make political capital out of the resignation and so the blame was thrown on BoJo. Not for the first time.

It wouldn't have mattered who was the head of government, what Darroch said was amazing. To use such undiplomatic language in a document with an audience of 100 plus people seems a little foolish.

The leak is the really troublesome incident, but once the documents were leaked he was finished.

There's a direct parallel with the Canadian ambassador to Afghanistan who offered his resignation the moment he realised US emails had been leaked to Wikileaks. His concern was for his country and its interests - not for his own career.

Sir Kim clearly wasn't particularly bothered about his country's relationship with the US. Says it all really. He should have resigned the day the documents were leaked.
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HolgateCorner Posted on 12/07/2019 08:02

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Darroch was only doing his job.

The leak was the real problem.

Boris refused to back him, he will probably be the next PM and he wants to cosy up to Trump to try to negate the worst effects of his no deal Brexit.

Shock horror a senior U.K. politician only thinks of himself.

Not much more to see is there?
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lapennabianca Posted on 12/07/2019 08:06
Edited On: 12/07/2019 14:35
Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch

If you think what Darroch said was 'amazing' then I envy you. Every book every written on diplomatic history has infinitely more interesting and controversial things on almost every page.
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Small_town Posted on 12/07/2019 08:27

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Fatcat, your “suspend reality” comment shows you still don’t quite understand what has happened here.
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colin21 Posted on 12/07/2019 08:38

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
A lot of Brexiter's I talked to said that the reason they voted was not to have our independence influenced by other countries, but we are allowing the US to dictate our choice of Ambassador, that makes absolutely no sense, are we breaking away from Europe and taking our star from the European flag so we can sew it to the US flag, its a disgrace really. We are not more independent but actually more dependent on Trumps twitter account.
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FatCat Posted on 12/07/2019 09:28

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Ok small town , whatever you say small town.
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Small_town Posted on 12/07/2019 09:34

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
It's just impossible to discuss the situation with you as you seem to be coming from a standpoint that somehow, by doing his job, Kim Darroch was doing wrong.

Although even if you did believe that, I'm sure you could work out that by failing to get support from our likely new PM it made his position untenable. May and Hint both supported him and if it looked like Hunt was going to get in I doubt he would have resigned. It wouldn't have been necessary.
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FatCat Posted on 12/07/2019 11:23

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
I don’t necessarily think he did wrong - he could have handled the situation better. BR14 nails it in respect that it is not Boris’s fault. As mentioned if your standpoint is Boris is the devil then you will always find a way to lead this back to his door but if you really think about it you will see this is not Boris’s doing.
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Small_town Posted on 12/07/2019 11:46

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
You’ve got my standpoint wrong though. In that I’ve actually voted Boris in to public office before so I can hardly think he’s the devil. Just unsuitable for a prime minister. As is evidenced in this case by throwing a UK ambassador under the bus.
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foomanboro Posted on 12/07/2019 11:51
Edited On: 12/07/2019 11:51
Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
You could be right FatCat that the leak happening was not his direct doing but his response was worrying.

It is a clear indicator that Boris’ loyalty lies with the US ahead of the UK.
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FartingGnome Posted on 12/07/2019 12:14

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
He was born ther and only renounced his citizenship in 2016
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jam69 Posted on 12/07/2019 12:33

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
boris loyalty lies with boris, he hung him out to dry to appeal to the hard brexiters that he thinks will get him into number 10
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foomanboro Posted on 12/07/2019 12:45

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Exactly Boris cares about Biros therefore defacto he cares more about his relationship with the the American people than the British.

After all once he has been and gone as PM he will follow the lucrative and cushy path of Blair, Cameron etc. in doing company consultancy and after-dinner speeches in the US. That’s his long term goal, as is with most PMs.
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FatCat Posted on 12/07/2019 18:25

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
I think Given a chance he would do really well but chances are he won’t get chance with the media machine going into overdrive to critique his every move.
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Small_town Posted on 12/07/2019 19:23

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Fatcat don't be blind to his buffoonery. He plays the media game better than anyone. The only reason right minded thinkers critique him is because he'll be a laughing stock as a prime minister
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Fuchs_ache Posted on 12/07/2019 19:59

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Well the up side of Boris as PM, Corbyn will romp home if there’s a general election. 😂😂
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mikeyyyy Posted on 21/07/2019 17:02

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
Officials close to the inquiry believe “there was a degree of orchestration” behind the theft of emails and their subsequent publication in a newspaper, and are considering “all motives, including political ones”, they say.

Steven Edginton works as a “digital strategist” in Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party, and is also “chief digital strategist” at “Leave Means Leave”."

Well well well. He works for the Brexit party.

Link: 19 year old freelancer
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goalscrounger Posted on 21/07/2019 18:47

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
See Penguin, told you Trump would climb down after he'd finished throwing his toys out of the White House pram... (quote lifted from the article linked directly above)......

"Mr Trump meanwhile, in a volte-face of the type for which he has become known, asserted later that the ambassador had said “very good things” about him and was “sort of referring to other people” when criticising the White House."
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The_same_as_before Posted on 21/07/2019 18:56

Tory Horror Show just keeps on giving.Re: Kim Darroch
He said it in 2017. A slow news story.
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