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UTFB_1986 Posted on 12/06/2019 12:20
Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?
 
 
Realistically, who did you want to come in ?
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BoroDafcun Posted on 12/06/2019 12:22

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Karanka / Jokanovic / Hughton / Pearson / Adkins / ffs Grayson would of been better
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bigtl_billingham Posted on 12/06/2019 12:23

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Jokanovic
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GibbosArmy Posted on 12/06/2019 12:24

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Anyone with managerial experience who could bring fresh attacking ideas into the club.

Couldnít even manage that.
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dragged_up_in_whinneybanks Posted on 12/06/2019 12:26

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Jokanovic with some cash to spend and a proper support team. Maybe Gibson thinks that Woodgate is another Rioch or Charlton. If so, he is completely and totally wrong. The season could be over by the end of September.
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Derek_Duvall Posted on 12/06/2019 12:28

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Jokanovic.
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coluka Posted on 12/06/2019 12:34

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Kompany in a dream world

Realistically though

Jokanovic
Hughton
Cook
Adkins
Terry
Reiziger
Stendel

I could probably name another 100 before Woody
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Indeedido Posted on 12/06/2019 12:35
Edited On: 12/06/2019 13:12
Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
There have been so very very many threads about who and why.
There are lots of varying views, not one unanimous view.

The one thing that was common, was that hardly anybody wanted Woodgate, many seriously didn't.

Personally I would have loved Giovanni Van Bronckhorst, Gary Neville, Mikkel Arteta, Paul Cook, or even Nigel Pearson. I'd have welcomed Jokanovic (edit), Chris Hughton, Steve Clarke, Danny Cowley, even Nigel Adkins.
I'd have been willing to really get behind Aitor Karanka.

It's not my job to identify who, I'm just passing my opinion.

Some candidates may not have been available, may not have wanted to come, may not actually be particularly impressive when met, or not be a fit.
But there is no way we should end up with Jonathan Woodgate. No way.
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bblf Posted on 12/06/2019 12:36

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
A young exciting manager who has shown he can do well in the lower leagues. Not someone who the players already have listened to for years with little effect.
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allied_assault Posted on 12/06/2019 12:37

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Jokanovic for me as well - proven track record in Championship and advocates fluent attacking football
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atypical_boro Posted on 12/06/2019 12:37
Edited On: 12/06/2019 12:46
Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
I wanted Jokanovic, purely as it would have united the fans. It can't have been that unrealistic if he came for an interview. In hindsight, the club would have been better off keeping that interview completely under wraps.
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Tom_Fun Posted on 12/06/2019 12:45

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Jokanovic.
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newyddion Posted on 12/06/2019 12:46

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Karanka - behind the scenes bother
Jokanovic - one trick pony
Hughton - Mowbray MK 2
Pearson - a little unstable
Adkins - hardly inspiring

We've got a young hungry manager desperate to impress and home grown too. This lad lives and breathes Middlesbrough, the backroom staff is the most interesting part for me. I think this is where we will succeed or fail.

He's not coming into the club not knowing the players, not knowing the young talent we have. He's under no illusions to what players he has at his disposal, no pre-season needed to know what the team is capable of and what we need to compete. He's competed at the very top and knows what it takes and is aware of the pitfalls. Some folks on here have him pegged down as being slightly impulsive or a bit of a joker.. well maybe that's what we need. The players need to enjoy being there and when things arn't going well we need someone who is willing to change things up, to take a risk.

A top top defender, certainly knows how to defend and what hurts defenders, what really makes them struggle. No need to over complicate the game he can spot a player, he can push and motivate a player and knows how to hurt teams.

Lets go [ref]
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DCI_Gene_Hunt Posted on 12/06/2019 12:47

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Perhaps Jokanovic was offered it and turned it down?

Impossible to say how the season might pan out - need to see what the squad looks like first.
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atypical_boro Posted on 12/06/2019 12:51

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
"Perhaps Jokanovic was offered it and turned it down?"

I think that's probably what did happen TBH. But there'll always be the argument that we should have offered him more, paid his agent more, found more money for him to spend, or whatever else.

But regardless, when Pulis left that was what I wanted. I don't hold it against Gibson that that hasn't happened though, I'll see how it pans out with Woody.
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ILOVEJUNINHO! Posted on 12/06/2019 12:53

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Jakanovic could well be just too costly. Even WBA couldn't afford him with their parachute payments.
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Derek_Duvall Posted on 12/06/2019 12:54

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Jokanovic a one trick pony?!! Eh? How do you work that one out?! Enlighten us please.
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coluka Posted on 12/06/2019 12:59

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
ďThis lad lives and breathes Middlesbroughď

So much so that he said in a BBC Tees interview that he wished he had stayed in Madrid [8)]
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 12/06/2019 13:00
Edited On: 12/06/2019 13:01
Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Rezieger
Van Bronkhurst
Van den Brom
Jokanovic
Terry
There were loads of options but Gibson is clueless



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exeterboro Posted on 12/06/2019 13:02

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
I wanted Jokanovic, but could see from the trickle of stories coming out that the club did not want him. I felt after Adkins departure from Hull it forced the clubs hand or otherwise we still might be waiting for confirmation this time next week, Adkins ticked a lot of boxes apart from the he wasn't the name already pencilled in.

Good luck to Woodgate, I feel more positive about it today and I am actually looking forward to the coming season, if the names mentioned for the team round him are in place then I can see a good season ahead.

UTB
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atypical_boro Posted on 12/06/2019 13:05

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
"So much so that he said in a BBC Tees interview that he wished he had stayed in Madrid"

That true Col? I have a vague recollection.
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keelo Posted on 12/06/2019 13:08

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
It seems fmttm posters have got all the i's dotted and all the t's crossed and still not a word on the clubs website...strange?
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dooderooni Posted on 12/06/2019 13:10

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
I still want changes behind the scenes where the real, unsung work is done.

If we're operating within limits then we need to get maximum value from everything. We need to give whoever is charge the tools and talent to win games. We need to give the fans a reason to come along and support the team beyond blind faith. We need to make the club attractive despite our location apparently working against us and not by just throwing money at players that we can ill afford.

That tweet from the BBC needs to become a reality, but it can't be limited by parochial appointments unless we've exhausted all options.
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exeterboro Posted on 12/06/2019 13:16
Edited On: 12/06/2019 13:29
Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Just to say that a lot seem to have it in for Woodgate, pherhaps for justifiable reason after the things he has done, But ( and I'm not condoning him) it hasn't stopped Bowyer and Barton, with also the same opinions about their intellect being assumed about them.
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guyham Posted on 12/06/2019 13:18

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Someone with experience; without a history associated with criminal violence - one more than one occasion; someone untarnished by persistent and long standing reports of entitled, insolent and arrogant behaviour; someone whose own defence counsellor didn't describe as being as thick as two short planks; someone who would unite, rather than divide.
If, as I've read on here, he's as much right to manager as anyone else then you may as well all take turns in the job.

What kind of example does he set for the young players?
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Foggysfplandiet3 Posted on 12/06/2019 13:23

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Someone experienced with a track record of getting promoted from this league and playing attractive football that would bring back the crowds.

But, plainly now, we couldn't afford Jokanovic.
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Ian_Tony_Kenrose Posted on 12/06/2019 13:25
Edited On: 12/06/2019 13:27
Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
The context of that comment is everything.

When he joined Boro initially on loan he said he'd been told by Capello (via Baldini) that he wasn't wanted, he had the choice to come to Boro or go to Newcastle. He chose Boro.

At the end of the loan he signed permanently, but almost immediately Capello left Real Madrid. He was asked if he should've stayed at Real and he said he did, but the Boro deal was already signed.

Who can blame him, wishing he could've proven himself at the biggest club in the World under a different manager.

He wasn't slighting his decision to sign for us, more that he was left wondering what could've been.

Not that I'm a massive fan of the guy (though thought he was a quality CB), but it's a little disingenuous to use that quote to suggest he wished he'd not joined us.

(this is in reference to the Woodgate wishing he'd stayed at Real comment, BTW)
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heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 12/06/2019 13:28

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Jokanovic may well have been too expensive, and in addition he "may" have wanted his entire backroom entourage to join him.....and if and when he was to leave/be sacked it could have cost Boro a fortune to get rid of one team and get another in.

Or he may have come across as a bell.end and Gibson went.....nah. We don't know.
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UTFB_1986 Posted on 12/06/2019 13:37

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Lots saying Jokanovic. Not realistic. Ignoring his wage demands, he probably demanded a transfer budget far greater than what we had.

He may of been the one to decide it wasnít for him.
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UpTheBoro70 Posted on 12/06/2019 13:44

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Put it this way, woodgate ain't gonna sell 5k season cards to make up the shortfall or create a buzz in the town. Jokanovic for me but clearly we are skint.
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borobuddah Posted on 12/06/2019 13:47

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Several of those mentioned, but itís an irrelevant question
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GusboroughSteve Posted on 12/06/2019 15:06

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
The lads from Lincoln. A forward minded individual perhaps.
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DCI_Gene_Hunt Posted on 12/06/2019 15:08

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
"Rezieger
Van Bronkhurst
Van den Brom
Jokanovic
Terry
There were loads of options but Gibson is clueless"

They're only options if they were willing to come?
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jonno-13 Posted on 12/06/2019 15:10

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
We should get behind the Manager and the Club and lets go forward
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parmoboy Posted on 12/06/2019 16:58

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Jokanovic, Hughton, Arteta, Pearson or Terry.

Would have been happy with any of them.
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toshoffathebillstash Posted on 12/06/2019 17:33

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
We need to accept the financial position we are in, it's very likely that whilst we had talks with Jokanovic, we couldn't offer him the funds needed to overhaul the squad and pay his hefty wages.

Hughton doesn't want a job in the championship.

I think Paul Cook was a reasonable option though but Gibbo has his random not going for managers under contract rule.
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atypical_boro Posted on 12/06/2019 18:02

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
TBF I'd love to hear from anyone who'd say Woodgate was their first choice, ahead of Jokanovic, Hughton and other possibilities.

I'll support him but I don't think a single person was saying back in February-May that they wanted rid of Pulis because Woodgate was the best option.
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UKLL1981 Posted on 12/06/2019 18:14
Edited On: 12/06/2019 18:16
Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
I wanted Jokanovic but accept he was probably out of budget, the likes of Pearson or Adkins would love this job and both have records of building teams, playing decent football and both have won promotion. The potential for it to go very very wrong under Woodgate is massive, Adkins or Pearson night not of got us up but neither would be a disaster which I think a disaster is a realistic possibility under Woodgate. I just canít get my head around what Gibson is thinking, I honestly donít believe someone can be this inept. keep making the same mistakes or take such a dangerous gamble again like he did with Southgate before and I donít even think Woodgate is the same calibre as Southgate was. I canít think of a less inspiring and more divisive and dangerous hiring.
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zorro_mfc Posted on 12/06/2019 18:17

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Donít you find it odd that no one else has gone for big nige.... because I do.
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UKLL1981 Posted on 12/06/2019 18:25

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I find it stranger weíve given the job to the uninspiring assistant of last seasons failure who has dubious character, questionable intelligence and no experience. Oh yeah and heís probably going to have no money to spend too. We did it before with Southgate but at least he was intelligent and respected, no other club would do that, Boro are doing it twice. I despair.
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tonymow Posted on 12/06/2019 18:30

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Giovanni Van Bronckhorst
Phillip Cocu
Nicolae Dica
With
Robin van persie as attacking coach
Bolo Zenden midfield coach
George Boateng defensive coach
Yes , we can't afford to put that together , SO

Giovanni Van Bronckhorst manager
Woodgate assistant
Round assistant
Leo coach
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parmoboy Posted on 12/06/2019 18:54

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Pearson would have been a very sensible appointment. He came out in the press saying he would love the job, so I don't think he'd have demanded high wages, or a big budget to work with.
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UTFB_1986 Posted on 12/06/2019 19:00

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Some of the names being mentioned here [cr]

Youíve missed the entire point of the thread. Arteta ffs, are you mad ?
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Viewfromthewest Posted on 12/06/2019 19:14

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I would have preferred jokanovic, but I always thought that would have been a push for us to achieve.

I'll back woodgate, at the end of the day he's older, as I don't know him personally I'm going to assume he's grown up a bit I cannot imagine Pulis would have put a good word in for him If he actually didn't think he was a decent shout at doing a good job.

I just hope we do a decent job behind the scenes in finding decent players to come through.

I do think he will try to play more of the younger lads coming through, which I would be pleased to see
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JLinardi Posted on 12/06/2019 19:20

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Jokanovic

ĎMaybe we did offer him the job and he turned us downĒ

Then why not just come out and say so? If his wages were to much we wouldnít have interviewed him and apparently he had a 2nd interview. All the talk of transfer budgets and backroom staff is just pure guess work.
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JonJon Posted on 12/06/2019 19:21

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This feels a bit like when we were sold Steve Agnew as "more than just a coach".

If Karanka had been coming back for another go at it, a bit older and wiser, I think I would have felt genuinely excited.

But how can anyone get excited about this appointment? I wish the lad well, but he's a blank page at the moment, there's absolutely nothing to go on. Of course we'll all get behind the team. It's what we do. But Woody is going to have to prove himself. That's life I'm afraid.
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UTFB_1986 Posted on 12/06/2019 19:22
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Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Also my other point in, although people are joined in thinking Woodgate was a poor choice, their preferences over who they wanted can be somewhat different. Nigelís Pearson for example would have more than divided opinion. Heís a nutter
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Ripley_11 Posted on 12/06/2019 19:29

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
I was very much against Woodgate and got excited thinking of Arteta, Van Bronckhurst (never linked to be fair) and Stendel.

But now Iím thinking about it Iím trying to be positive. Woodgate has been lined up for this post for several years, rumours started in Feb that he would be our next manager, so Gibson must have seen something he likes - this feels a bit different to the Southgate appointment. Iím excited by the team linked to support him and hearing that the players think very highly of him and like his coaching methods.

Iím still concerned about his levels of intelligence, his primary mentors being Agnew and Pulis, his relationship with the players - but we wonít know exactly how all that will work out. Itís not like he was a player last season jumping into management, heís been a coach for a couple of years now - some players will only know him as a coach.

Iím cautiously optimistic
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atypical_boro Posted on 12/06/2019 19:29

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
MFC1986 - I think Jokanovic was our first choice for exactly that reason - he wouldn't have divided opinion very much at all.

I'd like to know why he didn't take the job, but it wil be a long time before we do I imagine.
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Pottomed Posted on 12/06/2019 20:50

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
We are an average club,Not much cash now and based in a declining poor area
I wonder why we didn't attract pep or Klopp
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Calculus Posted on 12/06/2019 21:17

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Some German ponce in his 30s with a dodgy beard who waffles on about gegenpress in broken English
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Juan_Sheet Posted on 13/06/2019 12:48

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
I will get behind any appointment the club make am I happy with Woodgate?

Well no I'm not I prefer my managers not to get in such a state the security guards at the college just down from the dickens inn don't have to keep picking him up, Calling in ambulances for him or take care of him until he's either sober or come down enough so he can make it home himself this happens on a regular basis.

I along with everyone who wishes him well also agree he's a local lad & I really really do hope & prey this works out for him & the club but if that's how he wants to live his life that's his choice lets hope it doesn't effect how he runs this club.

If it wasn't for this I would welcome Woodgate as manager with open arms.
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atypical_boro Posted on 13/06/2019 14:02

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Recent examples Juan?
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Juan_Sheet Posted on 13/06/2019 16:51

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Recent examples ok one of the security guards who was in his first week there saw on one of the cameras someone collapsed & laid out on the pavement.
As its the college & they have students staying on site they have to check.
When they went to check on them to his surprise when they turned them over it was Woodgate.
They at first were going to call an ambulance he couldn't stand up nor could he put 2 words together.
The other security guard said to just pick him up & put him somewhere safe as they find him in states like this quite often but to keep an eye on him on the cameras.
When he sorted himself out a bit he spent the next hour trying to get into the buildings in the end the guard who has worked there a while phoned a taxi for him.
Since that night a lot of the other security guards started swapping stories about the worst state they have found him in as its a running joke there now apparently.
I can't say whether the other security guards accounts are true or not because I don't know them but after finding Woodgate in this state he rang me the next morning to tell me.

he has been working there about 8 months now & he says he has come across Woodgate a fair few times now not in as bad a state as this but still a mess staggering around.

Yes this is hearsay but I trust them & they told me about this before the end of then season long before there was any thought of him becoming manager.

Whenever I speak to them now they are staggered he's even being considered for the Managers job.
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atypical_boro Posted on 13/06/2019 17:00

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Well he's gonna have to cut that out, if true.

Mind you, he won't be the first football coach to drink himself unconscious on a night out. We've had at least a couple ourselves in the past.
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Juan_Sheet Posted on 13/06/2019 17:09

Those that are unhappy and disappointed - who did you want?

 
Well he's gonna have to cut that out, if true.

I agree yes he is & I really hope he does because I really do want to see him succeed believe it or not.

as for other coaches I've come across a few also & some prem players too.
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