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Cocky_McBlockerson Posted on 12/06/2019 10:16
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He was a good chairman. I'm not sure he is now [:O]
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atypical_boro Posted on 12/06/2019 10:17

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Who said that? Darren Gough or someone I imagine?
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Block21 Posted on 12/06/2019 10:17

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Was it that spud Dean Saunders?
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glover_elbow Posted on 12/06/2019 10:22

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football has changed dramatically over the last 20 years Steve Gibson hasn't adapted or changed his approach. He hasn't moved with the times and the club are suffering as a result.
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The_same_as_before Posted on 12/06/2019 10:26

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Only people from Middlesbrough don't rate him. I work all over the one common thing they all say is I wish....


You dont criticise a box of chocolates because it has a creme coffee.
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Cocky_McBlockerson Posted on 12/06/2019 10:26

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Sam matterface I think
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coluka Posted on 12/06/2019 10:27

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I just listened again to his post Southampton speech. For anyone wanting to listen, it is on BBC Sounds. Click on the comedy button and you should then see it pop up
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uncle_rico Posted on 12/06/2019 10:44

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ďHe hasn't moved with the times and the club are suffering as a result.Ē

However you feel about it, what heís doing now would suggest heís changed his approach and is moving with the times.
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mendieta420 Posted on 12/06/2019 10:51

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Well if it's said on talksport we might as well pack it all up and not bother operating anymore
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Abel_Tasman Posted on 12/06/2019 10:52

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Talksport? FFS
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Chappy112 Posted on 12/06/2019 10:53

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If it was said in talksport then he must be the best chairman in the world.
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atypical_boro Posted on 12/06/2019 11:00
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I'd rather have Gibson than someone who leads a government that throws rocks at g@y people until they die, and have to turn a blind eye to it in exchange for success. I think I'll be thankful for him as long as I live in Manchester, regardless of what ex-cricketer Darren Gough thinks!
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glover_elbow Posted on 12/06/2019 11:18

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However you feel about it, what heís doing now would suggest heís changed his approach and is moving with the times.

i dont see it that way at all the recruitment department hasnt changed personnel and will continue to churn out dud buys, we certainly dont seem to have a modern moneyball approach to recruitment.
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middlesbrough123 Posted on 12/06/2019 11:30

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Letís see if they can pick better value players in the summer than the fans .
Iím not disappointed to go for cheaper players but buying strikers for example with not record of scoring goals like weíve done in the passed would be ridiculous
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boro19 Posted on 12/06/2019 11:43

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The trouble is Steve Gibson brought us success until Eindhoven since then he has been very poor at the time I viewed Eindhoven as the opportunity for Boro to push on into the elite however Gibson has held back the Boro. But as it goes Boro need a new billionaire owner to reach these heights as it's virtually impossible to compete financially in the premiership for Gibson now when players are going for virtually his wealth
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redwurzel Posted on 12/06/2019 11:48

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Chairman nowadays are billionaires at Premiership and Championship clubs everything has gone up ten to twenty times in the last 25 years.

Players now go for £90m transfer fees, they are paid £150k a week, Spurs stadium cost £850m, Newcastle sold for £350m - to make an impact it requires an investment of at least £100m hence you need a billionaire supporter - At the Boro we are not competing in that World and probably can't, we need to copy Burnley of the last 5 years.
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atypical_boro Posted on 12/06/2019 11:59

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"I viewed Eindhoven as the opportunity for Boro to push on into the elite however Gibson has held back the Boro."

You really think 'the elite' is our rightful place, and that if it wasn't for Gibson we'd be comfortably in amongst the top 6-8 or whatever?

All about opinions but I tend to view the 1994-2006 era as a big spending spree that had to end eventually.

For reference, outside of the 'big 7', no club in the PL has been there longer than 7 seasons. If we'd stayed up in 2009 and stayed there, that'd have been 21 years in the PL racked up, unprecedented in our history. What makes you think that's where we 'belong'?
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Indeedido Posted on 12/06/2019 12:03

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At their core Burnley have done so well because they hired the right manager, kept faith and he has recruited very well given the budget AND they spent more than us.

Gibson is unable/unwilling to compete from a financial perspective at the top end of the Championship without PP. But of much more significance is he is unable to compete because of himself and the way he operates and dictates.

Gibson has more red lines than Theresa May and is about as good a leader.
Everything he has touched since 2016 has turned to shīt and the only good thing he stumbled on, in Karanka, was handed to him by Kenyon and even then he couldn't handle his challenge.
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atypical_boro Posted on 12/06/2019 12:12

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So that's you and Col completely done with Gibson then? What about Adi (if you're reading)?
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DCI_Gene_Hunt Posted on 12/06/2019 12:13

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ďHe hasn't moved with the times and the club are suffering as a result.Ē

What would have him do/done differently?

I'm assuming you've got a good understanding of the clubs financial position and understand the FFP rules?
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Abel_Tasman Posted on 12/06/2019 12:14

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Not moved with the times = only a millionaire not a billionaire.
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glover_elbow Posted on 12/06/2019 12:14
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indeedio nails it.

in the past gibson threw money at problems to offset his own bad decisions. this is no longer the case gibsons glaring failings in getting the management and infrastructure right at the club have come home to roost. the greatest chairmen in the league is a ridiculous myth gibson could be considered as a generous chairman but an astute football man he is not.
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coluka Posted on 12/06/2019 12:27
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Well thats a leap and no mistake. I am very critical of just about everything he has done since we gained promotion. I am not completely done with Gibson and I very much doubt Indeedido is. So to use the words completely done is wrong.

Let me be VERY clear. I think SG has been a godsend to Boro. Without him we would not have a club to support. He has gone over and above to give us (and himself) the dream.

How anyone can think his decision making since promotion has not been flawed I dont know. He told us he did not need telling what needed to be done and he would make those changes to make us stronger. He said he knew the team needed pace and flair too.

Atypical, how well do you think he has done on his comments post Southampton? I think we have gone further and further backwards personally. How can it not be his responsibility. He is the owner, the man who appoints managers, approves new signings and agrees sales. Do you think those things happen without his approval? He is every bit culpable for where we currently are.

That said, would I swap him for a Morris or a McCabe, no I would not. Who knows, whether any season will work out positively, but jesus, it doesnít take much to see the reality of the last few years and how more decisions appear poor than good
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atypical_boro Posted on 12/06/2019 12:35
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"Atypical, how well do you think he has done on his comments post Southampton? I think we have gone further and further backwards personally."

Not that well. I didn't want this appointment either. But he has a gigantic margin for error with me, compared to the other likely owners we could have or have had.

I also don't really see the football league as a 20 team elite and 24 teams in the next tier, anymore.

I see it as a 7 team elite (one of which is hugely underachieving) which could soon grow to 8-9, and about 30 teams underneath of which we are and always have been one (and we had a great run 94-06 which had to come to an end).

I see seasons like the last one as just par for the course, certainly not an unprecedented disaster with huge culpabilities etc. Nor do I think being in the PL is the be all and end all and I suppose that's maybe why I'm less emotive about 'culpability' as you are.
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 12/06/2019 12:42

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Gibson is the problem at this club, heís the one constant that keeps repeating the same mistakes over an over again - if he really cared about the club heíd let someone who knows about football make the key decisions such as appointing managers and coaches, unfortunately his ego wonít allow it to happen



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Abel_Tasman Posted on 12/06/2019 12:59

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In other words you want him to put in place somebody who chooses managers and coaches who you would like? Perhaps he needs your astute wisdom and experience of running a football club subject to strict rules of FFP?
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Indeedido Posted on 12/06/2019 13:06

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I am done with Gibson atypical and Coluka.
Not because of his financial or emotional commitment, or any assumed erosion of it.
I am done with him because I think his parochiality and poor judgement are far more inhibiting.
I used to think him the catalyst, an enabler.
I now see him as a real brake.

I am however not done with Middlesbrough FC.
They are and always will be my Club.
I have a season card and will go and will always want them to win every match they play, every competition they enter.
I know I won't enjoy it as much because I need to feel passionate. Right now, I have less passion than I can ever remember and I have zero confidence in Gibson's leadership.

People around the country talk about Gibson admiringly, with mistaken envy, because of his media image which is built on decades ago events. Football has moved on, Gibson hasn't and can't.
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TrappaTony Posted on 12/06/2019 13:20

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Indeed nails it [^]
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coluka Posted on 12/06/2019 13:31

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Thats all fair enough Indeedido.

Whilst I am not yet done with him, I do agree with all you have just posted. I must admit I am not a million miles away though. He had huge kudos for all his achievements up to 2016 with me.

He seems to have a far bigger hands on approach than most other owners and chairman appear to. I am convinced that some signings are not the managers pick and that is based on more than just Karankaís gifts.

Southgate was adamant he did not sign Alves. Karanka had the gifts of Downing, Rhodes and Forshaw. Howson confirmed on camera in pre season in Portugal that talks opened with him before the 2016/17 season ended, therefore can not have been a Monk signing. There are others.

It feels to me like we are in a big game of FIFA 2019 with SG at the controls. It feels like a toy game. I think the fans are taken for granted and we are expected to just accept whatever we are given and that we are just treat as customers. The club appears insular, parochial and lurches like a tanker without power in a turbulent ocean rocking one way then the other while the captain plays poker.

If his gamble does not pay off then i fear we will haemorrhage attendances. I sincerely hope his gamble pays off and I have egg on my face though. If this goes pear shape then I will be exactly where Indeedido is right now and all kudos will be lost for me
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Casualfan Posted on 12/06/2019 13:48

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How hasnít he moved with the times??
Heís been ahead of the game his first few appointments. Robbo was a Man U legend, he got him here and turned Middlesbrough into a well known club bringing some of the best to Teesside. McClaren.... won us a cup. Got us to the uefa cup finals, something teams can only dream of. Ended up being England manager (I know it failed but still)
Southgate. Yes we were relegated however doing pretty well at England.
Then we started to loose cash, Strachan and Mowbray were the worst Iíve seen. However Strachan at the time was the man to take us up, very experienced manager. Most if not all people were happy with him at the time.

Mowbray failed as we had no cash, to be fair kept us where we needed to be untill we got more money.

Karanka, took us up. Canít fault him. Yes we went down but the premier league is a hard league now. Real Madrid assistant

Gary monk again most if not all people were happy with his appointment. Young up coming manager, was doing well at Leeds.

Then Pulis, probably the only one out of the lot who was a bad choice Iíd say.

Everyone else saying he hasnít moved with the times... what on earth you going on about?

The only thing I can think your talking about is spending ridiculous amounts of money like everyone is doing these days. Thatís the only Ďmoving with the timesí surely. All of his managerial appointments have been different and ahead of the time Iíd say, weather they brought us success or not.

So how is he a bad chairman now? But wasnít before?? Is that people just spitting their dummy out because weíre not in the premier league? If we were there now and pulis had got us up would everyone be saying he hasnít moved with the time?

You canít just keep blasting money at the club because people like us keep asking him to put his hand in his pocket.

Ooh heís a sh-t chairman because he dosnt own billions of barrels of oil and comes from Saudi Arabia
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Cuthbert Posted on 12/06/2019 13:59

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To be fair, I doubt there's a queue of people waiting to take MFC off Gibson's hands. If Gibson wasn't around, things could be a lot worse.

Personally I'm still glad that we've got SG.

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Indeedido Posted on 12/06/2019 14:27

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Robson, The Riverside, the signings, the cup finals, Europe, were all the decisions/outcomes of the energy, vision and ambition of a driven young man.
He gambled and was rewarded, as were we all.

The Club didn't start to lose money in 2009, it had always lost money and under Gibson.
The difference came when he could not get or afford the external funding required to finance the losses and growing debt.
He acted very generously pouring £50m in when it was desperately needed in 2012.
But since 2006 his football decision making has been ridiculous.
One good decision in hiring Karanka, one good short period in 13 years.
He has made a lot of decisions in that time. It really is hard to pick any good ones.

He either hires too early or too late, or just plain bad.
Southgate - too early.
Strachan - just plain wrong.
Mowbray - too late.
Agnew - wrong.
Monk - wrong.
pulis - wrong.
woodgate - far too early (being generous)

We go up - he spends too little.
We come down - he spends too much.
Either way the recruitment and value was awful.

The Club pricing, PR and communication, commercial performance; so many things are off the pace.
Which is why despite all the money spent, all the debt built up during this 13 years of decline, the Club under Gibson is now worth -£57m, nobody would buy it in their right mind and nobody can influence the lad playing with his own subbuteo set/FIFA game.
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Casualfan Posted on 12/06/2019 14:57

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Monk wasnít a wrong decision. At the time itís what everyone wanted. Yes it didnít work out but thatís a gamble with every manager

Southgate too early? Again it just didnít work out. You could argue Robson was too early if it didnít work out.

Agnew was just a fill in untill a new manager came in
I wouldnít say Mowbray was too late either. We just had a brutal squad

Woodgate too early yes but you never know things can happen.

However good or bad we are this season itíll be more entertaining then when pulis was in charge
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Wanderingstar Posted on 12/06/2019 15:10

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And the alternatives are ......,,!!!! Excatly
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dragged_up_in_whinneybanks Posted on 12/06/2019 15:15

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Monk was a disaster. He had achieved nothing when he came here and was given millions to invest, mostly in no marks. Gibson recognised the mistake and got rid of him after a few months. Pulis was a caretaker. I was hoping that we would now move on with an exciting managerial appointment. Unaccountably, he has chosen Woodgate. With the exception of Strachan, his worst appointment. The future looks bleak right now.
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expat_smoggie Posted on 12/06/2019 15:25

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Maybe I have a different perspective on the Woodgate appointmentó I see as a similar appointment as Steve McClaren ó a completely new approach to the previous regime and one which will probably shock the playing staff. Whether it will be positive no one really knows but weíll soon find out.
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sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 12/06/2019 15:41

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I think if people want us to be like Burnley you have to remember 2 things.
1. They are prepared to accept defensive football
2. They stuck with the manager through a relegation

They don't have the recent history of success we have had and do not have the same demands.

Bournmouth are often held up as another example. They've got Eddie Howe.
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1finny Posted on 12/06/2019 15:42

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He was part of the previous regime tho
He was No 2
Had he come in Ďfreshí as a No 2 to someone successful who knows how the debate would be going
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br14 Posted on 12/06/2019 15:49

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My guess is it's all about money and Financial Fair Play.

Assuming the parachute payments have run out the amount Mr Gibson can invest as a loan is very limited.

Take player wages into account and there's no money left.

So he can't afford to bring in an experienced manager and provide them with funds to buy new players.

Perhaps Woodgate will get some cash but I sense not a lot.
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1finny Posted on 12/06/2019 16:19

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BR
Iím sure thatís a factor
But
Just wondering what the financial difference is for a Ďdecentí manager v a rookie.
Lets say, for the sake of argument around £300k

I know its not to be sniffed at but it wonít pay 1 playerís wages for a season.
Add on the difference for back room staff and it still looks insignificant in the scheme to things.

Could be totally wrong tho
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toshoffathebillstash Posted on 12/06/2019 17:36

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The recruitment department changed last summer, with Bevington taking over. Are we just going to change our recruitment every season now?
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UKLL1981 Posted on 12/06/2019 17:50

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Gibson either doesnít care, canít compete or doesnít want to, I honestly canít think of any other reason to appoint Woodgate, Iím stunned and dumbfounded heís done it. Itís going to go that badly this will be the beginning of the end for Gibson.
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Stabilo_Boss Posted on 12/06/2019 18:07

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Hasn't moved with the times is spot on.

He was very savvy at identifying the era when PR could be a driver of success: Attract a big name player as manager, full of excitement and potential and novelty. That raised the profile of the club, drew in other big names and the individual quality of those players brought us (relative) success.

...but the time of Bryan Robson-type figures was over 20 years ago now and that sh_1t doesn't fly any more. We're in an era of data-driven minutiae, global networks, new investment structures and it doesn't feel like we have a grip on any of it.

What's the vision for the club? I'm not sure we have one. Certainly the managerial appointments don't suggest we do: Thoughtful club captain continuity... no, actually, gritty Scottish spirit... or let's try pedigreed Spanish pragmatism... OK, we'll give a young guy who wants to play a more progressive style a whirl... scrap that, let's go for a wily old football man...

...at which point you're 20+ years down the line and you've stumbled into appointing a dinosaur who's not changed his methods in all that time.

I don't expect us to be operating like one of the Premier League top 6 but the whole club just feels like it got stuck in the early 2000s



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Funky_Chicken Posted on 12/06/2019 18:20

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If youíre happy with Gibson as chairman fair enough, but I think you also have to accept that weíll probably never be anything better than what we are now with perhaps the occasional season in the premier if weíre very lucky. I think itís more likely weíll end up going the other way an drop into league one at some point. Gibson has been here a long time, football has changed vastly both on the field and off it finically, he canít compete money wise anymore and doesnít seem to want any outside investors - itís his club an no one else is allowed a say in anything (seemingly).
Weíll continue to get smaller as club as time goes on, weíre getting left behind and the appointment of Woodgate will only accelerate that. The club has no money and no way of getting any unless they reach the premier league again - some bleak times ahead Iíd say



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big-eggo Posted on 12/06/2019 19:31

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could be worse. Bolton, Ipswich, Sunderland, Coventry are really rolling with the times.
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jonny2773 Posted on 12/06/2019 20:36

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There are a lot of people on this board that seem to be very good at running a football club and making multi-million pound decisions with Steve Gibson's money.
What I find really odd is that these people are not millionaires themselves and do not own football clubs and I find myself asking, why ever not?
Could it be that the tales they tell, that they so adamantly peddle as gospel, actually be just an opinion? and we all know what opinions are like, dont we?

Now I do not know anything about running a football club, especially a reasonably large one, like MFC, but what I do know is that SG is doing a much better job than I ever could.
He doesnt have the money to compete with the big boys, and he never will, but what he is doing is making sure that the decisions he makes doesnt put the club in a position where if things go wrong he cant put it right. It might mean that we have another couple of lean seasons before we have another go, but that is better than putting all your eggs in one basket and making a proper balls up, isnt it?

No, Gibson is not the messiah, but nor is he a very naughty boy.
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Pottomed Posted on 12/06/2019 20:44

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Why don't you move on indeed
Support Coventry or Portsmouth or even Sunderland
Boro don't need cry baby's like you
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Barnsy Posted on 12/06/2019 21:07

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Jonny2773

That's about it, well said.

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