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flipside Posted on 13/05/2019 07:52
Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?
 
 
Genuine question.
Asked before but most people seem to reply with "they're cnuts" or "full of self entitlement"

Twitter was full of "hahaha glad the bindippers got nowt" "quickly turns over to watch the scousers crying"

It almost seems to be a bit "trendy" to despise Liverpool. So why the hatred. I don't get it. It's not like they've been our rivals in the past.

What is it then?
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1finny Posted on 13/05/2019 07:54
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Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
Couple of recent examples:
Smashing up the City bus last season before the game at Anfield
Throwing locals into the fountains in Barca

I can go back years more if you want
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Anton_Berg Posted on 13/05/2019 07:58

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
The o/p has answered it's own question.
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flipside Posted on 13/05/2019 08:00

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
Well okay, but aren't there loads of examples of fans doing similar things?
One could say that about Man City who came to our ground and ripped up seats. Yet most Boro fans I know we're desperate for City to win yesterday.

I think it's just become a bit of a trend amongst our fans to be honest. Jumping on the bandwagon.
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1finny Posted on 13/05/2019 08:03

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Of course other fans have done similar - football is tribal though. Pick your teams to dislike and build the narrative around that

By the way - that trendy bandwagon that started in the 70’s?
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Exiled_in_herford Posted on 13/05/2019 08:04

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
Jumping on the bandwagon? [:D][:D]

Have you read this board for many years?. Most people on here have given reasons and responses to threads like this for over a decade. Have a search back through if you get a bit of time. You'll get a more informed response.
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zorro_mfc Posted on 13/05/2019 08:05

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
Remind me again the club our chairman took to court and won for tapping up.

They’ve been tapping players up for decades look at how they ravaged Southampton’s side

Oh and they’re ad campaign this year

We are Liverpool this means more

Pretty much sums it up as well.

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TheFair86 Posted on 13/05/2019 08:06

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
“Throwing locals into the fountains in Barca”

Boro fans left London square a right state before playoff final. Dish soap in fountains, stickers on stuff, trash everywhere...
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flipside Posted on 13/05/2019 08:08

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
I did that before posting Exiled as I haven't been on this board for decades. Most people can't really come up with anything more than "they're cnuts".

Nobody really can give me a sensible answers, or answers. Perhaps it really is just a bandwagon.

And tapping up players? Really. Is that it? As if they are the only ones to do it?

It's definitely just a bandwagon amongst our fans.
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Exiled_in_herford Posted on 13/05/2019 08:12

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
Ok mine is a personal reason which I won't go into on here. It's a been a deep rooted hatred for over a decade. I hope that's enough to qualify as not a bandwagon jumper for you. [:D][:D]

Oh and I know many many other teams fans that have this hatred for Liverpool. Perhaps they're all bandwagon jumpers as well?.
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Windom_Earle Posted on 13/05/2019 08:14

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I only hate / dislike one team in world football, liverpool. This is based entirely on my own personal experience of being a football fan and is in no way influenced by anyone else.
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1finny Posted on 13/05/2019 08:15

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
Okay flipside
How about Heysel [?]
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BigmetsBoro86 Posted on 13/05/2019 08:16

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
I have never hated them as such. I have worked with plenty of scousers and always found then amusing and a laugh (nightmare to go on the lash with).

I wanted anyone but city to win for something 'different'. I would have preferred spurs if anyone as I'm a fan of underdogs and with the budget Poch had.

The thing is the 'anyone but City'. I changed around Feb-March when I've heard all the drivel on talksport and social media from Liverpool fans. They think they have a divine right to win the league. Also all the 'World is against us' lark. I have ended up glad City win and hoping spuds beat them in the final.
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flipside Posted on 13/05/2019 08:16

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Well I guess I was just concentrating on our fans Exiled because this is a Boro forum and I follow Boro fans in Twitter. But you're right of course, other fans hate Liverpool too. The reason I used the term bandwagon is because it seems to be more prevalent these days.
You've answered your own reasons as being personal, so perhaps you're not the person I'm seeking to be able to give the answers. Thanks for trying though.
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laughingboroboy Posted on 13/05/2019 08:18

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
Mine stems from lads around here i know who are born & bread here... in the 80's. Who seem to of taken liverpool on as their team to support due to their success when they were young (aka glory supporters).
Now these lads are well 30+ and are the first ones on social media spouting off how good liverpool are on any posts or normally how much they hate United/City/Everton.

This + always being the victims & their self entitlement is what gives me a "hatred" to their "local" fans round here.

Liverpool FC itself is a well ran club and I really like Klopp.
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festa5 Posted on 13/05/2019 08:21

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
Same as Man United for me. I've nothing against people from Liverpool supporting Liverpool really. It's the legion of 'fans' with no connection to the place that I'm happy to see suffer. The number of Liverpool 'fans' who phone into 5 live etc with southern accents is astonishing.

City will inevitably go the same way, but they're not quite there yet.

I don't really 'hate' any football club. But I do enjoy seeing the glory supporters of the 'big six' suffer. The longer "massive club" Liverpool go without winning the title the funnier it is because we know how desperately they want it.
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Gaz76 Posted on 13/05/2019 08:22

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I've never understood why some of our fans dislike them so much. It's Chelsea for me, but even then I don't hate them.
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flipside Posted on 13/05/2019 08:24

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Is that your reason 1finny? Heysel.

Because most don't even mention it when I've asked about the hatred of Liverpool in the past. But if the Heysel tradgedy is your own reason then fair enough. Even though I personally wouldn't hate a city and it's people based on a tradgedy.
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keelo Posted on 13/05/2019 08:26

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I was lodging in Liverpool in the early 80's not far from Anfield so went to quiet a few games especially midweek ones... found it a great experience, never saw any trouble whatsoever...hate ? Some of you lot should start getting a life
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mickgaz Posted on 13/05/2019 08:31

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When a man kills himself that's sucicide.
When a man kills another man that's homicide.
When a football club hasn't won a title in 29 years that Merseyside.
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1finny Posted on 13/05/2019 08:33

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Flipside
Just offering suggestions to answer your OP
People will have their own reasons - I suspect if you are a relative of a Heysel victim you won’t have much time for them.

I don’t hate them - but don’t want them to win another trophy ever (bit of a difference).





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zorro_mfc Posted on 13/05/2019 08:37

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Come on you must find the fact that the mighty Liverpool that once regarded the English league title as their own has less premier league titles than Blackburn and Leicester [:D]

But remember we are Liverpool this means more

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slavens_holgate_fence Posted on 13/05/2019 08:38

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
Like a previous poster said, it’s tribal, you build up your own narrative around your chosen teams.

My reasons
The Sky love in, even yesterday mentioning they were not second best, they were the best ever seconds [cr]

Raiding of our teams over the years, especially the Zeige saga

Suarez racism support

Every scouser I’ve worked with thinks they are stand up comedians
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flipside Posted on 13/05/2019 08:39

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1finny, well yes I'm sure a relative of those who died will have different reasons. But I don't know any of those people.
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Exiled_in_herford Posted on 13/05/2019 08:51

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So it doesn't really matter what the reasons that people have flipside, you're just looking very closely through your own narrative as to why people shouldn't, and if they fail that narrative then they're bandwagon jumpers in your eyes. I hope that helps you try to understand your own thoughts.

PS. I didn't try too hard to work that out. You're welcome.
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turnoffsaysthestar Posted on 13/05/2019 08:55

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
I have no time for them and i know a lot of liverpool fans ,Man u fans the majority are not very bright and they will change allegiance.
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ThePenguin Posted on 13/05/2019 08:55

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
"I think it's just become a bit of a trend amongst our fans to be honest. Jumping on the bandwagon."

Liverpool have been one of the most loathed clubs in this country for as long as I can remember. It's not like it's something only Boro fans do, or just their close rivals. I get that plastic Liverpool fans like yourself won't understand this, but your not the "neutral fave" you keep telling yourself you are.
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Wev1 Posted on 13/05/2019 08:57
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Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
Maybe it's because they won the league loads in the 70's and 80's, which meant they gained a boat load of glory supporters that feel they're somehow entitled to more league wins. Couple that with the fact they were the most successful club, which they mentioned a billion times. Since Man U took over them it's like their fans are even more desperate to win the league again.

Then there's the "It's our year" and the Gerrard slip, they've become a bit of a comedy show.

This year was their best chance of getting a very high points total, but City didn't slip up enough.

Still think with City's points total that they well underachieved mind, don't see why Guardiola gets so much praise. Their team and strength in depth is far, far greater than anyone else.
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flipside Posted on 13/05/2019 08:59

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Exiled, point me to where I say it doesn't matter to what the reasons are, and to where I say they shouldn't.
Oh, you can't.

You're getting tied up in knots Exiled. Maybe think before you post next time rather than trying to give a clever response which backfires.

I fully get why people may have personal reasons. Maybe you have an ex in Liverpool who left you for someone else? But then some seem to turn personal hatred of an individual into hatred of a city and its people. Obviously I've just made that up as an example and I'm sure that example does not in anyway reflect your own circumstances.
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flipside Posted on 13/05/2019 09:02

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"Liverpool have been one of the most loathed clubs in this country for as long as I can remember. It's not like it's something only Boro fans do, or just their close rivals. I get that plastic Liverpool fans like yourself won't understand this, but your not the "neutral fave" you keep telling yourself you are."

Good attempt The Penguin. But that's what I am asking. Why are they one of the most loathed clubs? You say they are, but WHY?
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littledick Posted on 13/05/2019 09:04
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Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
Suck in every morsel of sympathy for Hillsborough, but brush Hysel under the carpet [^]


King Kenny supporting Suarez the racist, over his (found guilty) spat with Patrice Evra [V]


1,000's of their 'fans' are all glory hunters from the 70's and 80's who reside outside of Merseyside, hence why Everton are known as the people's club.

Great set of fans are Everton [^][^]

Link: Nearly won the league ?
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upthechels Posted on 13/05/2019 09:08

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
For the record...Chelsea were recently voted the most hated club in the country.

I can't sit back and watch Liverpool claim our trophy.

Next season Liverpool YAWN
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ThePenguin Posted on 13/05/2019 09:21

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
"Good attempt The Penguin. But that's what I am asking. Why are they one of the most loathed clubs? You say they are, but WHY?"

Why do you keep asking 'why' when you been presented with many examples why?

How does a club that asserts to be a left-wing socially progressive one reconcile that with defending racists? Can you see why something like this might make them disliked?

Or Heysel and how their behaviour resulted in the deaths of many people and set back English football for years. And then their behaviour in Athens 2007 where they tried to completely absolve themselves of any responsibility for acting like animals and blamed UEFA for their choice on venue.

And then there's the fact Rick Parry is a chunt and Steven Gerrard too, who was a prolific cheat and diver, but was protected by the English media because it's full of Liverpool luvvies.

The arrogance, delusion and sense of entitlement from the club's fans is never going to endear them with others either, or the way they sneer at clubs like Chelsea and Man City for being bank-rolled by wealthy individuals ignoring the fact that they're really only relevant in the way they are because of Moores financial backing.
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Chappy112 Posted on 13/05/2019 09:21

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
I know a few scousers, they’re great people. Liverpool is a great city/area. They back their own and stand up for what they believe is right.

I’ve always had an affection for Liverpool because of it.
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dooderooni Posted on 13/05/2019 09:22

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
Maybe it's because I'm older, but hating a club for the actions of its fans seems far more petty than it did when I was younger.

There's good and bad in every club.

As far as the football goes, Liverpool play the game how I'd play it and I enjoy watching them. That doesn't make me a plastic as despite my lack of interest in the current Boro setup, my hometown club is my one and only footballing love.
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flipside Posted on 13/05/2019 09:26

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
I ask why Penguin because most reasons seem like reasons that could be given for a lot of clubs.
Tapping up, pushed someone in a fountain, self entitlement.....
Heysel was a tradgedy without doubt, but I've read a lot of stuff about it, and in many ways it's a case of there but for the grace of God....
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Jimmyk78 Posted on 13/05/2019 09:27

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
Heysel set English football back years. That was down to them and I always think that is the main reason they are despised across the Nation.
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Stigmata Posted on 13/05/2019 09:40

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
"It's not like they've been our rivals in the past."

They built their trophy winning sides around Souness who was the best Boro midfielder that I can remember. Other Boro players I can recall who Liverpool signed were Craig Johnston and David Hodgson.
At the time Boro supporters were a bit miffed to be losing class players to the Scousers, but it was a long time ago.
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Stanley_Downing Posted on 13/05/2019 09:41

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
Similar to others mentioned already, it’s their army of supporters with no connection to the area but claim to be die hard Liverpool fans. Due to their lack of connection to Liverpool itself they seem to go over the top in their claims of “love” for the club which just comes off as fake and irritating.
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footyteam Posted on 13/05/2019 09:42

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For me it's the amount of locals who are fans, I think I know just as many as Boro fans, pretty sad.

We'd fill the Riverside twice over if they supported Boro.

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Lemmy_Kilmister Posted on 13/05/2019 09:43

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To me Heysel was a tragedy waiting to happen. Whichever English club had been there there was a chance of something bad occurring. Leeds, Man Utd, Spurs, England fans in general had been causing havoc across Europe for years. The Belgian head of the FA got 6 months suspended for the ticketing and segregation arrangements, as well as police and the UEFA officials being threatened with jail over the handling of the match, that was held in a stadium that had been condemned as unsafe years before.

Nobody can excuse the Liverpool fans behaviour whatsoever, but it could have been any teams fans.
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Ironops Posted on 13/05/2019 09:53

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
Like Exiled I have a very personal reason for my feelings about Liverpool but Im in the opposite camp, Id love to see them win things.
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asredastheycome Posted on 13/05/2019 09:56

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
My "hate" of them goes back to the tapping up of players which is still happening. I'm sure it does with other clubs though.

I would rather the Barcodes or Man Ure win the title if it meant Liverpool didn't. That said they are a good team but still doesn't make me like them.
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Manny-Being-Manny Posted on 13/05/2019 09:58

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All Born fans are cnuts.

Link: CLASS
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Foggysfplandiet3 Posted on 13/05/2019 10:55

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"Heysel set English football back years. That was down to them "

Yep. Funny how Liverpool never mention it, isn't it....?
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MrBoroMan Posted on 13/05/2019 10:57

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
I dont hate liverpool, but the treatment by some even kids even now towards boro fans when they visit is horrible. Note those kids went even born when it happened.

From personal experience they are some that shout about issues that happened in boro with child welfare years ago.

I found myself explaining why and what they were shouting to my 8yr old. This was and has been outside the ground since I was a lad.

It's not on in my opinion these days, and it's not just liverpool its Everton fans too.


Am i the only one who's seen this.


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Indeedido Posted on 13/05/2019 11:10

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
You don't need to ask flipside; you know the vast range of answers already, but you just discount them because you are a liverpool fan.

Football is tribal and tribes are stereotyped. Of course there are good and bad in all tribes/clubs, but the fact that so very many people truly dislike liverpool is noteworthy.
It is not that they are successful (they're not in recent times)
It is not that they have most money, have spent most money (they haven't).
It is not because they come from a rich city that exploits the rest of the country ([:D])
It is not because they play cynical football that is win at all costs (they don't)
It is not because of their wonderful stadium (it isn't).
It is because of their supporters and hangers on (inc media) for thousands of reasons generic - and personal.
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Nosmo-King Posted on 13/05/2019 11:11

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Don’t hate them, quite enjoy watching them. Hysel has been well documented. My biggest grouse is the way the media fawn over them. Lost count of the amount of time the press refers to Liverpool stories with the inclusion of the word Kop.

No other team gets referred to by a part of their ground. Irritating!
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1finny Posted on 13/05/2019 11:19

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Flipside
I'll give you another reason
Your comments:

'Heysel was a tradgedy without doubt, but I've read a lot of stuff about it, and in many ways it's a case of there but for the grace of God....'

Utter schoite
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glover_elbow Posted on 13/05/2019 11:19
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Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
Arrogant armchair fans on teesside many of which have nvever even been to anfield

Destroying our 70s side with souness johnson hogson etc all joining them

Tapping up of ziege.

Media bias. Why are there so many of thier ex players in the media. Most incindently are terrible pundits eg ray houghton

Spit the dog carragher an utter disgrace this man is still employed by sky

Their disgusting support of rascist suarez


Finally thier fans sheer arrogance that liverpool is special and unique club above everyone else and all the fucinkg awful cliches about the kop and the anfield roar, about being the most football educated fans in the world, unique sense of humour ynwa etc etc






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coluka Posted on 13/05/2019 11:23

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
Personally speaking, I don’t hate Liverpool because I am too occupied with hating Leeds. I am pleased City won the title, deservedly so.
I don’t support any team other than Boro, but I enjoy the way both play presently
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flipside Posted on 13/05/2019 11:37

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1finny, refer to the answer from Lemmy.

Indeedido, not even close to being one
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1finny Posted on 13/05/2019 11:43

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
Flipside
For years Liverpool fans quite rightly fought for justice to stop comments like ‘Hillsborough was a tragedy but....,

Now
‘Heysel was a tragedy but ...

Just wrong fella, just wrong
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10hickton Posted on 13/05/2019 11:43

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Flipside - genuine question.

You must know nowt about football to have to ask that question !
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flipside Posted on 13/05/2019 11:52

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
Hickton, I've been given a list in this thread ranging from Sky like them to one of their fans pushed someone in a fountain, and from a tradgedy (there but for the grace of god) to they expect to win everything, and from they took Souness off us to their fans attacked a bus.

So you'll understand when I say that if that makes me know nothing about football then sobeit. Maybe people hate others more easily than I do.
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borobuddah Posted on 13/05/2019 11:53

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
I don’t hate them or their fans, but I weary of any club that becomes dominant, whoever it is - Liverpool currently don’t qualify
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Greenandblack Posted on 13/05/2019 11:55

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
Does anyone "hate" anyone else in football? Really? Do you know what hate means?

"Don't like", or "indifference" are not the same thing as hate.
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Indeedido Posted on 13/05/2019 11:56

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
As Hickton10 says flipside.
Or you ARE a liverpool fan as I said.
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flipside Posted on 13/05/2019 11:56

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Thanks Greenandblack. I'm asking about those who hate them. Hence the title.
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flipside Posted on 13/05/2019 11:58

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I replied to Hickton, Indeedido.
So, by your reckoning those without hatred of Liverpool must be a Liverpool fan.
Hilarious.
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Indeedido Posted on 13/05/2019 12:07

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Or alternatively if you read Hickton10 again
"You must know nowt about football to have to ask that question !"
Come on la.
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flipside Posted on 13/05/2019 12:12

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I read it first time Indeedido, read my response again.

What happened to you? You used to be a decent poster , but lately seem to have lost your way and can only debate through insults.
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heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 13/05/2019 12:18

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Glad City won the title, but that's down to in laws being proper long suffering City fans. Family tie now.

Liverpool....scousers in general are sound. Good, down to earth funny people. But (like Geordies and ManU fans) just love talking about their club and if you dare to criticise - it's like a personal attack on their mam. Can't have a two way football conversation with them.

Hate them? Nah. Dislike of them and the constant media fawning, plastic fans, and their never-their-fault attitude? Definitely.

Like Klopp and they played some brilliant stuff this year to be fair[^]
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McMordie Posted on 13/05/2019 12:32

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They stole our new manager in 1959.
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dragged_up_in_whinneybanks Posted on 13/05/2019 15:39

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OP - you obviously weren’t at the Boro vs Liverpool FA cup quarter final at Anfield in 1977 ....
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flipside Posted on 13/05/2019 15:52

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Why. What happened?
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The_same_as_before Posted on 13/05/2019 15:53

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I was, it was 50 50.

There is a lot of urban myth. These double bladed Stanley knives for one. I never saw a Boro fan with a cut on their chops, or a scar since.

Man City was far more dangerous, I ran passed Usain Bolt one afternoon
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McMordie Posted on 13/05/2019 15:56

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Alf Wood's header did cross the line though.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 13/05/2019 16:33

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One thing that will cheese people of is the media's portayal of them as a club and their fans as being somehow different.

Man City are the best team in the country, only missed out one competition so far, but all you hear is 'can Liverpool win the league at last', not can Man City be the first to win the treble, a fantastic achievement, and a 14 win run to boot.

I still haven't heard them being criticised for throwing away a 7 point lead, had it been a number of other clubs I think I might have.
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1finny Posted on 13/05/2019 16:36

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Mcmordie - it definitely crossed the line [;)]

I was in the bog at the end of half time and a scouser walked in and said 'you want ur firkin head kicked in or not'?
At that moment a copper also came in so I just said no and walked out behind the copper (just a bit of psiss running down my leg.

Must admit - very polite to ask the question question[?]
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BobUpndown Posted on 13/05/2019 17:04

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
as a young lad... they bought Souness from us..

Then Hodgson was was clean through on goal.. only to be repeatedly wiped out by Hughes & Thompson from memory.. they scored & went on to win the game..

signed Hodgson & Johnston from us.. just as we were building a quality team..

Their fans are no worse or better than others & they have the titles & trophies to back it up...

Titles are from back in the day.. though they are still competing.. just not winning..

as with any club... some of their fans really give them a bad name..

Heysel & the banning of all English clubs from europe...
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Corco65 Posted on 13/05/2019 22:13

Why The Hatred Of Liverpool and Their Fans?

 
Drunken Liverpool fans (not all were from Liverpool) caused the Heysel disaster, I was there and ashamed of how people behaved, yes the ground was not good, yes the organisation was not good, and the Juventus fans at the other end were no angels but had no one near enough to fight. But it was mindless violence caused those deaths although I have to say I don't think anyone set out with intention to actually kill anyone, they were drunken yobs causing trouble after the police went outside and left the chicken wire fence between the fans, no excuses there was a small group of horrible hooligans that night compared to the thousands who were there, not all were from Liverpool and those found guilty serve their time in prison.

Hillsborough I can understand how people from outside the city would probably be feed up and fatigued by the the ongoing fight, even I was getting to a point of wondering why they wouldn't let it go, but know I feel bad about that, because what their grit and determination for justice uncovered was the biggest cover up by the state against the ordinary person, they had to over turn two public enquiries and a coroner inquest to get to the truth, and look what came out, a government backed conspiracy to hide the truth, a true victory that should be celebrated in my opinion by ordinary people across the land and those that carried on the fight inspire of state and system being against them should be shown total admiration for their dignity unlike the corrupt Police and government officials who surpressed the truth and spun lies to discredit others, totally unbelievable, I can imagine the hatred of Scoucers if the shoe was on the other foot.Liverpool and Everton have had brilliant football teams especially in the 80's and today's Liverpool team play fantastic football, unfortunately for me although a scoucer I support boro, so I don't know what that makes me, but we are people who will fight for what we believe in and stand up to authority when oppressed just like against the Thatcher government in the 80's, the dockers strike and the fight for justice for Hillsborough families, yes we have our fair share of comedians and kind, thoughtful and supportive people and some not so good ones too, in the main it's a great place even if I am biased and I know quite a few people from boro who live here who enjoy it, so don't hate (maybe dislike if you must) the city and its people for what may be a personal negative experience or the dominance of its football club and for the behaviour of some of its fans over the years.

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Heam44 Posted on 13/05/2019 22:38

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Looks like Corco will be putting a ‘scouse bashing’ thread to bed for the second times in as many weeks.

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PRIORYMAN Posted on 13/05/2019 23:01

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"Outraged by everything, ashamed of nothing."
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BandH Posted on 13/05/2019 23:04

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1. The plastic Teesside glory supporters. Few go to Liverpool games but as soon as they start to do well they crawl out of the wood work.

Mainly lads in their late 40s and older who took them as their team because they won everything decades ago.

2. Souness, Johnston etc.

3. Ziege

4. The arrogance of many of their fans.

5. Heysel

6. The media love in, they are not a particularly special group of fans but if you listened to the media you would think they were the best in the world.

7. The media love in, they have won the odd cup here and there in the last 30 years but are still hero worshipped.

8. They aren't all hilarious, far from it, that perception is simply wrong.

9. The thievery and thuggery I have seen from every single scouser I have come across in 30 years of attending Glastonbury, spoiling it for many decent people.

10. Defence of Suarez.

11. Ex-players all over the media, including carragher who is a disgrace as a human being.

Enough to be going on with I think.
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PRIORYMAN Posted on 13/05/2019 23:05
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"Looks like Corco will be putting a ‘scouse bashing’ thread to bed for the second times in as many weeks."

... that'll be the same Corco who claims to be a scouser but can't even spell the word correctly ... draw your own conclusions from that!
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Fabios_porkpie_provider Posted on 13/05/2019 23:07

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So, anybody else think flipside is 2018 troll-of-the-year jayjayb?
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Indeedido Posted on 13/05/2019 23:21

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flipside, I simply repeated you the Hickton10 quote, I didn't insult you. The only people I insult is pulis and hopeless - no apologies for either.

If anybody has put this thread to bed it is Prioryman
"Outraged by everything, ashamed of nothing."
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Corco65 Posted on 13/05/2019 23:40
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Ignorance, stereotyping, hatred, I'm glad I am not a Muslim, black, gay or east European, but I am glad I'm from Liverpool. However. I won't be saying that all people from Middlesbrough are like that, even though I've seen many a view on here which could get me to think that way and on my visits to your town, I've seen and heard similar, and if I wanted to I could trawl the media to highlight the worst of people from Middlesbrough and seek the evidence to support my views but that would be silly. I also accept I must a thick Scouser because I hadn't noticed a word had changed and a very important one at that I agree. Keep hating if you want, I'm sure it's good for your soul, but I'll keep looking and finding the good in people which for me by far out weights the not so good.

UTB
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marsked_magician Posted on 13/05/2019 23:44

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"Even though I personally wouldn't hate a city and it's people based on a tradgedy"

It wasn't a tragedy, it was mass murder
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Heam44 Posted on 14/05/2019 08:09

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“It wasn’t a tragedy, it was mass murder”

Literally incorrect, however many people (13 I think) were convicted of manslaughter.
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clay_davis Posted on 14/05/2019 08:12

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From a quick skim of this thread, it seems like half of you hate Liverpool fans because they're scousers while the other half hate them because they're not scouse enough, and yet you all think you have a common viewpoint and can't understand why the OP and others can't follow your logic.

Most Brexity thing I've read in ages.
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flipside Posted on 14/05/2019 08:18

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Indeedido "anybody has put this thread to bed it is Prioryman
"Outraged by everything, ashamed of nothing."

I disagree. Corco 65 has put this to bed with his excellent post.

"It wasn’t a tragedy, it was mass murder” "

It was not.

Fabio's pork pie "So, anybody else think flipside is 2018 troll-of-the-year jayjayb"
Just because you haven't got the answers to my questions doesn't make me a troll.


Clay Davis, absolutely spot on.
There are some despicable posts on this thread.



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ThePenguin Posted on 14/05/2019 08:22

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"and yet you all think you have a common viewpoint and can't understand why the OP and others can't follow your logic."

Seems you're incapable of accepting the reasons provided more like. The fact numerous people have posted pretty much the exact same things contradicts your claim.

Understandably, you plastic Scousers don't get it.
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flipside Posted on 14/05/2019 08:22

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"Outraged by everything, ashamed of nothing."
Prioryman, that is just nonsense, and backs up my bandwagon statement.

Some of you really need to take a long look in the mirror.
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Heam44 Posted on 14/05/2019 10:32

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"Understandably, you plastic Scousers don't get it."

Firstly, I'd just like to point out I am in no way a 'plastic'. To be honest, anyone saying something along the lines of 'I don't want Liverpool to win due the number of plastic liverpool fans in Boro', the rest of this post isn't aimed at you. As I completely understand that view and also agree with it. However the same applies to Man U and any of the other teams with significant numbers of glory fans.

In response to you directly Penguin, some of us don't need to be part of a group or have any affiliation with them to defend them. The recent 'anti-scounse/lpool' threads have got my back up, nothing to do with scousers / lpool fans, you could replace scousers/lpool fans with blacks, gays, muslims even gingers if you want and I'd still feel and act the same way. What I have a problem with is people who think along the lines of "this scouser/lpool fan or group of scousers/lpool fans p1ssed me off years ago so now I hate all scousers / lpool fans". I cant understand how some people cant comprehend that there is good and bad in all groups of people.

Regarding Heysel, I'd suggest anyone who 'hates scousers / lpool fans due to heysel' should read the below link, even just the part from 'Events leading up to the disaster' to the picture of the stadium.

With regards to the phrases 'always the victim', 'outraged by everything, ashamed of nothing' I'd like to echo the comments of another FMTTM's posters (who I wont mention in case he doesn't want to get involved) on a previous thread that said something along the lines of 'after the Hillsbrough disaster and the fight that the family's of the 96 went through,anyone who uses phrases such as the above should be ashamed of themselves'.

Finally, when I first saw this thread yesterday I thought to myself I would try not to comment on it, due to the advice of my scouse mate (also happens to be one of the nicest and most intelligent lads I've ever met btw) when I told him about the similar thread last week, his response was...

"Fair play for trying mate, but I honestly wouldn't bother, it's not the likes of mine of your job to educate idiots on the internet'!!

Link: heysel
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flipside Posted on 14/05/2019 10:55

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Brilliant post, Heam44.
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ThePenguin Posted on 14/05/2019 10:58

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"The recent 'anti-scounse/lpool' threads have got my back up"

Because you're a plastic Scouser. It's pretty obvious from your comments in Liverpool threads the past week or so.
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littledick Posted on 14/05/2019 11:04

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Majority of scousers I know are Everton fans; Liverpool fans come from outside the area.

Think I read last week that as they're only getting 16,000 tickets for Madrid, there'll be thousands going without tickets......presumably hoping to get in by hook or by crook, just like in Athens in 2007.

Haven't they heard of the Hillsborough disaster ?
No matter what the outcome of the Hillsborough trial, a big player in the events of that day was the ticketless fans turning up !

It's those kind of things that have, and always will, tarnish them
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McMordie Posted on 14/05/2019 11:10

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To be fair, I would say that Wolves were more to blame for the loss of Hodgson and Johnston than Liverpool.
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Heam44 Posted on 14/05/2019 11:16

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Haha Penguin you must be th1ck as fu(k mate. I literally addressed that point in the first two paragraphs of my post. I even addressed you personally so that you didn't misunderstand.

However I will admit I'd have preferred Liverpool to win the league over Man City, simply due to the money Man city have spent over the last few years, and on the basis that Liverpool have never won the league in my lifetime (or certianly memeory, they may have won it when I was a kid, I'm 35 if you wanna do tha maths). And if you must know, I'd have preferred Spurs to win the league over Liverpool.

Finally in response to your continued insistence that I am a plastic scouser, despite me making it absolutely clear that I am not - I will leave you with my favourite ever quote, I've quoted it on here before however I will quote it again as it seems to become more relevant the longer I use this board...

"The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence'.
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ThePenguin Posted on 14/05/2019 11:20

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"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"
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Heam44 Posted on 14/05/2019 11:28

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No mate, I'm just trying it perfectly clear for you as in my opinion "It's pretty obvious from your comments in Liverpool threads the past week or so" that you're not the 'sharpest tool in the shed'.
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ThePenguin Posted on 14/05/2019 11:34

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I think another reason people dislike the Scousers is how incredibly angry and emotional they get when called out.
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Indeedido Posted on 14/05/2019 11:42

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There is a vast range of reasons why a very wide range of very different people do not like, or even hate, "liverpool".
Not everyone believes all the reasons, but to dismiss all the reasons with such arrogance shows a lack of awareness/self awareness.
But why are so very many people irritated through to hostile about liverpool, if there really is nothing at all to see here?

Of course not all liverpool fans or indeed scousers are the same and of course there are good and bad in all identities; I don't think any poster is saying otherwise.

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Heam44 Posted on 14/05/2019 11:46
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$h1t man, I'm actually starting to feel a bit sorry for you. It must make thing's difficult being so dense. This will be my last reply to you, I wasted enough time and I have to work to be doing. As my scouse mate said "its not my job to educate idiots on the internet".

All the best.
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Bergeracois Posted on 14/05/2019 11:49

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re Heysel - "...I have to say I don't think anyone set out with intention to actually kill anyone ...."

Neither did anyone at Hillsborough

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ThePenguin Posted on 14/05/2019 11:51

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Point proven.
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Indeedido Posted on 14/05/2019 11:52

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Is that aimed at me Heam?
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Heam44 Posted on 14/05/2019 12:05

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Nope, was aimed at Penguin.
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Fabios_porkpie_provider Posted on 14/05/2019 13:10

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‘Fabio's pork pie "So, anybody else think flipside is 2018 troll-of-the-year jayjayb"
Just because you haven't got the answers to my questions doesn't make me a troll. ‘

To be fair, I can’t argue with that. Troll is a harsh word anyway, and was meant in a backhanded compliment kind of way[;)]
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Corco65 Posted on 14/05/2019 13:46

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Bergeracois - what's your point, no one has said that anyone deliberately set out to kill people at Hillsborough, people wanted the truth for their loved ones men, women and children who went to a football match and never came back. I won't go into the cover up, lies and smear campaign that took place to discredit the Liverpool fans and deflect any hint of responsibility,that is there for you or anyone else to research if you want to know the TRUTH but I'll give you one, just one,the fans forced open the gate's, put out by the man responsible for policing on the day, he ordered the gate's to be opened, I don't for one minute think he thought what then went on to happen
would be the consequence but it could have been avoided. People wanted justice for their loved ones.

The drunken hooligan yobs who caused the those deaths at Hysel were sought out and prosecuted for their wrong doing.

However in neither case does it in anyway take away the pain and anguish of losing loved ones in such circumstances, but hopefully in some small way I hope it might ease their pain, I hope so.
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SmogOnOuseburn Posted on 14/05/2019 14:57

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In answer to OP - Alan Green is a great reason!
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wilfym Posted on 14/05/2019 15:26

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Liverpool... Great football team of 70s and 80s...good to watch now... But a self pity city...
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flipside Posted on 14/05/2019 15:50

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"a self pity city"

Welcome aboard the bandwagon.
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wilfym Posted on 14/05/2019 16:02

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Thx.. I don't hate them it's just endemic in them to blame every f ker else but their own imo
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flipside Posted on 14/05/2019 16:03

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Your opinion. Based on what?
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wilfym Posted on 14/05/2019 16:10

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As stated.. Years of incidents all over UK and Europe.. Too many to mention
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flipside Posted on 14/05/2019 16:27

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Too many to mention? Yeah, okay.
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GusboroughSteve Posted on 14/05/2019 16:43

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Jimmy smug Tarbuck
The smug tannoy man who's on every goal clip.
Because they knicked Souness and Johnston for nowt.
Phil Thompson
Ray Clemence
Fowler
Bread
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wilfym Posted on 14/05/2019 16:44

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Wembley v Everton Milk Cup.. Hysel, Hillsborough Athens Madrid next.. every ground they go to has a story.. Thieves
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glover_elbow Posted on 14/05/2019 16:46

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I forgot about carla lane and bread
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batesyboy Posted on 14/05/2019 17:42
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Flipside lots of people have replied to your question as to why they do not like liverpool. If they're justifiable reason's or not is not your decision, they are giving you an answer and you have tried to argue and be some kind of antagonist as to why that they are wrong. If you like liverpool or not, great but let others have their own opinion.
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BlindBoyGrunt1 Posted on 14/05/2019 18:38

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GS:" Because they knicked Souness and Johnston for nowt."

The money we got for Souness - £350,000 - was a record fee for Liverpool. We paid about 30,000 for him
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HULLRED66 Posted on 14/05/2019 18:46

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I know lots of supporters of other clubs who dislike them too. I think it's the media love in and false illusions of importance among their plastic fans.
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Clint_Eastwood Posted on 14/05/2019 19:04
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The scouse representation in sports media for me mirrors the behaviours of any scouser I've spoken to in more than just passing. They are immensely irritating in that they have to have themselves or Liverpool at the centre of attention.

On Gillette Soccer Special, Le Tissier and Thompson are both local lads who do not hide the fact they support their club. Le Tissier is reasoned and fair, Thompson only ever wants to talk about Liverpool and his coverage of any team facing Liverpool is awful. He always brings everything back around to Liverpool, which is a trait very much shared with Carragher, who's punditry seems to singularly start with 'back when they played Livpooool...' no matter who is playing.

On BT, McManaman comes across as exceptionally arrogant, and as if he knows better than everyone else (and looks better than everyone else).

Liverpool and the scouse people I have met, or seen regularly in the media, seem as though they feel they have an identify that is better than everyone else, and that everyone else should pander to it and marvel them. It has the reverse effect on me.
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zorro_mfc Posted on 14/05/2019 19:17

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Craragher is a complete joke, he doesn’t even pretend to be neutral.

I can only imagine how they will now re brand the documentary that was coming should they have won.
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flipside Posted on 14/05/2019 19:19
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Batesyboy, I'm not sure if you realise how contradictory you are being with your statement. I've never once said anyone is wrong. Unless you can prove otherwise.
I've never once said others can't have an opinion. Unless you can prove otherwise.
Your contradiction comes when you tell me to let others have an opinion, but then seem to suggest that I can't have one also.

If someone uses the fact that they saw a video of ONE Liverpool fan push a man into a fountain as a reason for hating all Liverpool fans, then you'll understand why I think that's bonkers.
You don't get to decide what I reply to. I do.
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batesyboy Posted on 14/05/2019 19:56

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Enjoy your night can't really be doing with people getting aggressive on forums, life is too short.
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galahad Posted on 14/05/2019 20:08

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"Jimmy smug Tarbuck"

He's hilarious though. The media told me. [:P]
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mengle Posted on 14/05/2019 20:15

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Some people on this thread seem to be classing ‘scousers’ as all Liverpool fans.
This is not the case.
Everton also exists in that fair city - and , to my knowledge, seem fairly alright on the whole.
Within every human population you will get a percentage of knbbheads - including our beloved Teesside.
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glover_elbow Posted on 14/05/2019 20:28

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Most Liverpool fans arent scousers most are not even from Merseyside
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Windom_Earle Posted on 14/05/2019 20:35

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I absolutely despise them and it's a pure hatred that comes from 40 years of being a football fan. I don't even semi dislike any other club. I like Sunderland and Newcastle and Leeds and don't even mind Chelsea. The only club that have given me personally any reason to dislike them is liverpool. No one has ever told me to dislike them and I have no allegiance with Man Utd or Everton. I just cant stand them and no one will tell me I'm irrational or to be felt sorry for. My experiences forged my hatred so I'm allowed to hate them. Even this season, when they've been electric at times, Salah and Mane have dived and cheated like the league has never seen before. But has anyone pulled them up on this?, nope. Even on match of the day they laugh about it.
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galahad Posted on 14/05/2019 20:36

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I always thought when it came to football:
Scousers - Liverpool fans
Toffees - Everton fans
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Fabios_porkpie_provider Posted on 14/05/2019 20:40

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Everybody loves scousers.
Scousers have the best sense of humour.
It’s always great crack if scousers are around.
Scousers are the kindest people in the world.
The famous Scouse wit.

Urgh.

But it must all be true because I’ve heard it so many times.....Funnily enough, it’s always a scouser saying it.
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Corco65 Posted on 14/05/2019 21:06
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Alot of this sounds like an acute case of small minded, small town syndrome which has been caught by a fair few. The bad news is, there is no cure for those infected unless you are prepared to face your own stupidity or prejudice.

Next time I am in boro I will have a drink with any of you, tell you non stop jokes and whilst doing so arrange for my mate to steal the wheels off your car and burglar you house, I'll sell some drugs to your kids and I don't have to worry about rushing home as I won't be signing on until the end of the week.

UTB

Link: Ban the fan
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Windom_Earle Posted on 14/05/2019 21:47

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You can call it what you want corco but its everywhere, not just boro. Up and down the country football fans hate them. People I've met all over the place have been scared stiff liverpool win the title due the fall out. I was talking to a group of Forest fans in Dublin last week who have the same dislike. People hate them, it's a fact.
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BandH Posted on 15/05/2019 01:49

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Not a day since I posted 11 valid reasons for people's dislike for this vile club and...

Their fans(of the singing munich songs fame) bleating about a man city song that has offended them...

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Corco65 Posted on 15/05/2019 07:48
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Perfect evidence to fit your belief and prejudice bandH, well done. I think what you will find whst people are unhappy about is the players actually singing it and rightly so if true. As abhorrent many a football song has been over the years sung by Liverpool supporters but of course no other including Boro fans,have ever sung anything offensive about other people, places or clubs. Just as well given the offence felt and the melt down on here when Sunderland fans sang about a certain matter recently. Glass houses and stones come to mind. Keep adding to your list mind.

UTB
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BandH Posted on 15/05/2019 20:40

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My opinion is based upon facts detailed previously, rather than prejudice.

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Heam44 Posted on 15/05/2019 21:08

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I just hope the people of other places don’t judge us on the facts / statistics relating to murder rates, heroin addiction and prostitution.

Otherwise people will get the impression we’re all drug dealers, murders and pimps.
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