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OnlyInAmerica Posted on 15/04/2019 22:56
Edited On: 15/04/2019 22:57Hmmm what is Steve doing?
 
Not sure what to make of this but I imagine Steve smells a rat

Wants an investigation into other clubs financial behaviour

Link: Interesting
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FullTiltTraore Posted on 15/04/2019 23:03

Hmmm what is Steve doing?
Yikes I fear it looks a bit bitter also balancing the books by spending millions on other players doesn't add up?
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slavens_holgate_fence Posted on 15/04/2019 23:05

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well that will surely rocket us into the playoffs.
How can villa afford the wages off premier league players?
I hope the EFL throws the book at them
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JLinardi Posted on 15/04/2019 23:08

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The villa one is stupid, they went from the verge of a full breach of the rules to spending a fortune within the space of a week just because they got new owners.

And Iíve always wondered about derby, theyíve never had promotion yet always seem to spend decent amounts every summer. Didnít they already spend a fortune when they got that manager who went to Swansea?
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newyddion Posted on 15/04/2019 23:13

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Villa, Derby and Sheff Wed to face a 9 point deduction [:O]

Bristol City Play offs with a West Brom Final?
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edinboro Posted on 15/04/2019 23:13

Hmmm what is Steve doing?
Heís bang on. Villaís new owners were given a chance to sort things our. Then spent loads. If they go up no worries for them. If they donít a transfer embargo. Worth the gamble. That Derby ground sale deal is well dodgy and the league should be able to spit that a mile off. If not Bulkhaul can buy the Riverside for £90 million in the summer and weíre good to go.

I love Gibsonís wish to do things right. Just a shame most others donít care and the authorities are too slow to catch issues like this.
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newyddion Posted on 15/04/2019 23:24

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It's a kicker when WE GET A THREE POINT DEDUCTION for not being able to field a team but a club can get away with selling it's own stadium to it's owner [sad]

DODGY AF
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UpTheBoro70 Posted on 15/04/2019 23:55
Edited On: 15/04/2019 23:56
Hmmm what is Steve doing?
He is getting yet more stick from villa and derby fans on the telegraph twitter. Salty, bitter and a grass apparently.
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coluka Posted on 16/04/2019 06:46

Hmmm what is Steve doing?
He is sticking up for Boro, the rules clubs are supposed to abide by and I am sure if the boot was on the other foot those clubs would do exactly the same as SG has done.

The big question is do the EFL have the balls to deal with any wrong doings, effectively.
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1finny Posted on 16/04/2019 07:21

Hmmm what is Steve doing?
Spot on Col
It shouldnít rely on whistle blowing
The Derby one is just frickin obvious
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whatdoyoubench Posted on 16/04/2019 07:55

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Derby also announced that BS naming deal for the stadium -iPro- claiming it was worth millions. Absolutely wasnít. Soon reverted back to pride park too didnít it.

Stinks to me, that
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glover_elbow Posted on 16/04/2019 08:03

Hmmm what is Steve doing?
I still maintain wolves were cheating like hell to get the likes of neves to the club
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r00fie1 Posted on 16/04/2019 08:06

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Heil! Heil!
Long live the King of Middlesbrough Football Club[^]
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anterimus Posted on 16/04/2019 08:11
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Hmmm what is Steve doing?
Thoughts from Derby fans....

Can't stand the borough. Think they are as big club. They have wasted millions and now he's getting mardy....

I think boro should have points deducted for being little bitches....

They are going to struggle to make the play offs so are hoping a points deduction for villa or us will help them. Never liked boring boro. XXXXXX club.....

Talk about desperation, no fans, XXXXXX fans and slipping down the table at a rate of knots, talk about clutching at straws, if he hadn't noticed Derby have sold there biggest assets at the end of every season.....


Sinking faster than the Titanic.

[:D][:D]

From one of their Facebook groups.







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Heam44 Posted on 16/04/2019 08:17

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Well done Gibbo!! Would love to see them 3 docked points
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lufbra_boro Posted on 16/04/2019 08:20

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Sounds like he has a point about other clubs. There have been clubs gambling for several years in this league - Bournemouth and Wolves being good examples - Birmingham [with Harry Redknapp] being bad a example. This shouldn't mask the fact we've pished all of our money up the wall!
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BoroBen92 Posted on 16/04/2019 08:23

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Hope they throw the book at all 3.

Villa especially, it's baffling how they can go from hours from administration to flashing the money again and somehow it's legitimate.

Got no illusions that any punishment would be this season, so it's not just for Boro's benefit, but it's the sort of thing that needs to be cracked down on.
Shame the dodgily promoted clubs can escape punishment.
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Muttley Posted on 16/04/2019 08:30

Hmmm what is Steve doing?
Go get 'em Gibbo.

Either the EFL is serious about FFP or not. Wolves obviously flouted the rules to get promoted. If Villa or Derby fail to go up (and one of them at least will) they could end up on a slippery Sunderland-esque slope. You can only sell your stadium once. Looking at the way Villa have spent in recent years since relegation rings a few alarm bells too.
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UKLL1981 Posted on 16/04/2019 08:44

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Weíre too nice and too honest, if there are loopholes to exploit we should be exploiting them if others are doing it. The clubs wonít get done, itís unfair but probably not illegal otherwise I doubt they would be doing it. How Wolves didnít break ffp last year when they were losing £1m a week Iíll never know.
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borobadge Posted on 16/04/2019 08:44

what is Steve doing?
we generally know he wouldn't call it if he didn't have the evidence.....would he !?

looking at all three clubs (plus boro) over the past 3 seasons, and its a hard call to make on paper, for all three clubs (plus boro) the ledgers indicating signed and sold do not add up by a long chalk (we should be covered by the 1 season in the premiershcytte) .

derby for example have sold a player for more than £10M in each of the past 2 closed seasons - villas turn over of players is farcial. and we have had 2 seasons that delivered £30M plus spends.

id be surprised if its about the transfers - probably more about pricing up assets and doing sales of those assets internally.
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since1970 Posted on 16/04/2019 08:55

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Some bitterness from Sheffyuld Wed fans too![:D]

They've got a point about the Jordan Rhodes fee like. [;)]

Link: >>>
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 16/04/2019 08:57

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Sport and money is always a devastating XXXXXXtail.

Sky and Cycling

Top 6 Clubs v The rest. Not a level playing field and it filters down the pyramid.
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Norman_Conquest Posted on 16/04/2019 10:05

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To most clubs it is worth the gamble if it pays off. It is only when you don't make it to the promised land that it bites you on your backside.

I agree with Gibbo but feel that is timing sounds like sour grapes.
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moxxey Posted on 16/04/2019 10:34

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"Villa, Derby and Sheff Wed to face a 9 point deduction [:O]"

As some of those clubs are finding ways to circumvent FFP, sadly I don't think they can be deducted points. All that can happen is that the FA clamp down on the ways they've found to circumvent FFP! ie. they aren't doing anything particularly illegal.

Gibson is just arguing that these clubs shouldn't find ways of being able to circumvent FFP in future.
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UndercoverElephant Posted on 16/04/2019 10:44

Hmmm what is Steve doing?
The Villa CEO said:

"The profitability and sustainability rules that govern the league we play in and the broader Fair Play regime that, many years ago, I sat on the working group and brought those rules in.

Weíre highly respectful of them and are of course navigating within those rules."

If you make the rules you know how to exploit any loopholes within them. Some people would even ensure that the legislation had some built in. Not that I'm suggesting that happened in this case, obviously.
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Badonde Posted on 16/04/2019 11:01

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I think Gibbo is pretty shrewd.
I trust him to sail us a s close to the wind that is safe.
Remember the 'image rights' fiasco when many of our foreign superstars were paid a big chunk of salary to limited companies.
There was talk of HMRC doing an investigation on this but it never happened.
Rather than do the 'hard yards' I think HMRC take the view that making a public fuss about it prevents it being undertaken in the future.

I've been watching the Villa story with interest. I was mightily peed off when two of the richest men in the world rolled up to give them a financial lifeline back in the summer.

Go on Gibbo - give them hell.

And to all of you dorks who question the man's ambition just have a think. Imagine the frustration of putting the majority of your life saving's into our club only to find you have been cheated out of success.
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Beverleyred Posted on 16/04/2019 12:46

Hmmm what is Steve doing?
Iím sure Steve Gibsonís intentions are to protect the integrity of MFC and the League, however, in my humble opinion he is probably wasting his time. The three clubs in question will no doubt close ranks, gang up on him, tell him to wind his neck in and the EFL will be to afraid to act. Good on him though if he wins this battle, heíll earn my total respect, just for having the balls to have a go!
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FatCat Posted on 16/04/2019 12:58

Hmmm what is Steve doing?
I think itís his attempt to get us in the play offs as he realises the manager is unlikely to achieve that goal! A bit of divine intervention from a god like figure!!
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MBBoro Posted on 16/04/2019 15:19

Hmmm what is Steve doing?
The sign of any struggling business man is when he starts focussing on the competition more than his own business. Classic signs of desperation from Steve.

You have a problem with what Derby have done? Well then invest 70m of your own money into buying the stadium so that money can be invested in the football side of the club, if you can't beat them join them right?

Except we all know he wouldn't be willing to do that as he's more interested in taking money out of the club these days. We all appreciate the historic achievements of what he has achieved with the club but that legacy diminishes with every year that passes.
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Indeedido Posted on 16/04/2019 15:28

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Wow MBBoro, that is a lack of grasp as to what he has actually put in and more importantly how his funding keeps our club afloat.

He has made huge mistakes in the last 3 years, but he literally pays for them; nobody else would.
I love his commitment, but wish he had better judgement with football.
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UpTheBoro70 Posted on 16/04/2019 15:43

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Can see this used as a feeble excuse...gibbo will say Tony pulis wasn't competing on a level playing field as other clubs had unfair advantages...I.E. He had to sell Adama, bamford and Gibson due to FFP rules.
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bevoboro Posted on 16/04/2019 16:03

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Wish I was a "struggling businessman" like Steve Gibson [:D]
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NYboro Posted on 16/04/2019 16:07

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It's hardly a "feeble excuse". FFP is there for a reason and it should be enforced far more stringently than it has been so far.
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Cuthbert Posted on 16/04/2019 16:15

Hmmm what is Steve doing?
"The villa one is stupid, they went from the verge of a full breach of the rules to spending a fortune within the space of a week just because they got new owners."

100% agree. I have a mate who is a fairly clued up Villa fan, and even he has no idea how Villa are complying with FFP.

They went from having to sell Jack Grealish in a fire sale just to avoid some HMRC payment.... to being able to keep the guy, and buy in a load more expensive players on top!

Very odd.
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hopesoboro Posted on 16/04/2019 16:28

Hmmm what is Steve doing?
MBBoro - another acrobat.
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Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 16/04/2019 16:30

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I donít think Villa are complying with FFP, the situation in the summer was not enough cash flow to pay bills. FFP was not their primary concern
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Boromart Posted on 16/04/2019 16:43

Hmmm what is Steve doing?
Villa since the summer issues have signed:
Kalinic 5.4M
Guilbert 4.3M
McGinn unknown
Nyland unknown

those first two will be on very good wages.

Loaned in :
Tuenzebe Man U
Mings Bournemouth
Carroll Swansea
El Ghazi Lille
Abraham Chelsea
Hause Wolves

All will be on decent wages, except maybe Hause.
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MBBoro Posted on 16/04/2019 16:56

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If you can't see SG has packed up and took his toys home since we gained promotion you are at best naive.

Premier league season 30m net outlay on transfers against 100m upsurge in income, club finish financial year with record profit.

First year of parachute payments, best chance to have a go and we break even on transfers.

Last year of parachute payments, final chance to have a go we make 30m profit on transfers.

Massive increase in income in the last few years, bot reflected on the football side. If thats a business decision then fair enough, but if its just because you aren't interested in having a go any more you can't fault other clubs whose owners are prepared to, it just smacks of sour grapes.

The poor business man remark was in relation to his football business not his external businesses which have varying levels of success.
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Greenandblack Posted on 16/04/2019 17:23

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***club finish financial year with record profit.***

No. Just £5 million on revenue of £120+ million. That's hardly a "record" and it followed a £30 million loss the previous year.

People need to get their heads around the concept of the club being self sustaining, instead of hoping that the magic money tree is in blossom.
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slavens_holgate_fence Posted on 16/04/2019 17:23

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If Gibbo did not have this careful attitude towards spending then we would have ended up like Bolton amongst others.
He went for it after relegation, that didnt work out so its time to tighten the clubs finances.
I would rather have someone like him in charge than a foreign chairman who does not give a a sh ite about the club.
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MBBoro Posted on 16/04/2019 17:53

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As I said if its a business decision then thats fair enough, but to then have a problem around other owners wanting to have a go woth their respective clubs is embarassing.

What next complain to the EFL because Villa changed their manager and got an upturn in results which could lead to promotion whereas Steve decided to stick with a dinosaur and kiss goodbye to what could potentially be our best chance at promotion for a number of years. Like I say if he has a problem with for example the Derby situation and its proven its within the rules then he'd be welcome to do the same. If he chooses not to as it doesnt fit the business model then fair enough shut up about it and get on with getting our own house in order.

The fact remains the last 3 seasons were our best chance to have a proper go at establishing ourselves as a consistent premier league team, like Burnley who got promoted with us. Some of that has been down to poor recruitment and management, some has been through a chronic lack of ambition from the owner.
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r00fie1 Posted on 16/04/2019 18:05

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I doubt Steve would have stuck his neck out about the parapet if he didnt have facts to back his assertions up.
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coluka Posted on 16/04/2019 18:25

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He is quite right to take a stance if he believes wrongdoing. The EFL just pander to the big cheeses in the league.

We do have history of making some poor choices (hindsight is a wonderful thing) e.g. Blackburn, Branca issues. Then again we called and challenged the Ziege on correctly in the end. If SG smells the same rats we see, hopefully others who operate around the league will see it too and support an investigation at the very least.

Obviously if one takes place and in the event of any guilty verdict, it will be after and if any team is promoted and dealt with when they eventually return so they can use their ill gotten gains (if that were the outcome naturally, innocent until proven Villa, I mean guilty) . Those remaining in the league if guilty need examples making of them.

Brave call SG. Credit where it is due
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durhamred Posted on 16/04/2019 22:57

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MBBoro [:o)][:o)][:o)]
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Dribble Posted on 17/04/2019 02:48

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would he be taking the same stance over ,let's say Ipswich,Rotherham and Reading and not some of our closest rivals ?
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BoroBen92 Posted on 17/04/2019 07:38

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Presumably if they were breaking FFP quite substantially, they would be our closest rivals.
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MBBoro Posted on 17/04/2019 08:05

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Durham red excellent contribution to the discussion. 3 clown emojis, really brings so many points into clarity and the originality is just exquisite. I mean we have literally never seen that as a response to someone on here with a contrary view and it in no way shows a lack of intellect, original thought or maturity.
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hopesoboro Posted on 17/04/2019 08:17

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MBBoro [:o)][:o)][:o)][:D]
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MBBoro Posted on 17/04/2019 08:31

Hmmm what is Steve doing?
Never has a laughing emoji been more inappropriate [|)]
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HULLRED66 Posted on 17/04/2019 09:42

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The Hull fans that I met for a beer before the game on Saturday, couldn't believe that some of our fans are questioning Gibson. Like they said, there are many other clubs outside of Teesside who would love a custodian like we have.
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MBBoro Posted on 17/04/2019 09:58
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Its all relative though isn't it? arsenal fans question their owners would we swap places with them? Yes in a heartbeat. Would we swap places with Hull? Clearly not.

Just because we are in a good position relative to Hull should we not strive for more? That's where I question Gibsons recent ambition, and bringing it full circle to the OP why he feels the need to criticise other clubs for theirs.
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Maffed2705 Posted on 17/04/2019 10:09

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Some good points MBBoro [^]. Heaven forbid questioning Sir Steve on here.
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clive_road_stamper Posted on 17/04/2019 10:12

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Derby will regret selling their stadium in the long run.

Figures reported are 13m profit for the season but includes selling their stadium for 80m. That means 67m loss without that. Hmm FFP my asre
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glover_elbow Posted on 17/04/2019 10:13

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I really don't see what the problem with villa is. If they have new mega rich owners who are willing to invest millions in the club then to me they are not at risk of financial meltdown, their circumstances have completely changed from the previous regime. FFP seems to be more about keeping the status quo in terms of stopping clubs investing and growing rather ensuring clubs dont over stretch themselves. If Bill gates bought a championship club and invested billions, then i dont see the problem crowd size and income to me is irrelevant.
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clive_road_stamper Posted on 17/04/2019 10:15

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Plain asset stripping really. Im sure he got Sir Philip in to act as a consultant
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clive_road_stamper Posted on 17/04/2019 10:22

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glover the idea of FFP, is to stop exactly what you are advocating. We don't want some very rich bloke buying promotion or PL titles. Only problem is that the PL and Cship id littered with examples of just that.

Wolves have to one of the worst. They bought the CShip last season and just accepted the FFP fine as a running cost.
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UndercoverElephant Posted on 17/04/2019 10:25

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There's a difference between "a lack of ambition" and being financially prudent, though. FFP is designed to ensure that clubs don't overspend in the attempt to chase sporting glory. Plenty have, plenty suffer the consequences.

I don't think anyone could suggest that Mr. Gibson hasn't given it a go over the years, but he always seems to operate within the rules as they evolve.

The rules, however seem to be open to abuse and are run roughshod by certain other clubs. This isn't fair.

One of Steve Gibson's supporters in this meeting is Stephen Lansdown of Bristol City - he's so rich he could easily buy promotion, but they still abide by the rules.

Either the rules need to be changed or they need to be enforced fairly and evenly.
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ILOVEJUNINHO! Posted on 17/04/2019 10:29

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I always laugh when people start talking about ambition. We're probably not the club for you if to be honest.
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glover_elbow Posted on 17/04/2019 10:43

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glover the idea of FFP, is to stop exactly what you are advocating. We don't want some very rich bloke buying promotion or PL titles.

Then its clear its not about saving clubs from going under at all, its all about stopping clubs from joining the elite group. look at the way jack walkers Blackburn won the title, that wouldn't be allowed now, I wouldn't have any objection at all for any club to do that. In fact it was refreshing at the time to see a new club win the league.

Its also a tad hypocritical of gibson to complain about FFP given the way we splashed the cash and outspent clubs in the 90s
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Undercover_Elephant Posted on 17/04/2019 10:57

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In the 90ís, before the rules were in place?
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wombledon Posted on 17/04/2019 11:24

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Villa also loaned Bolasie, and if figures are correct he was on very good money.

I've never understood the Villa thing. Perhaps new owners felt like going up this season was a sure thing and they'd skip any fines, similar to Wolves.
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clive_road_stamper Posted on 17/04/2019 12:01

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"I wouldn't have any objection at all for any club to do that"

Fancy taking on that Ethiad bloke at Man City ?
If it came to a free for all it would be hard to find any richer than him.

Not that they haven't bought success mind

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hopesoboro Posted on 17/04/2019 12:52

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Glover - you're another funny cup of tea!
UTB!
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YouwantsomeYougotnofans Posted on 18/04/2019 18:16

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Awwwww bless you Steve... Getting worried about your tinpot club that might not make the play off this year so you decided to slag off other clubs lolololololol... Have a word Steve just look at your spending last season £59m YES £50m.... It's alright for some... By the way we sold Jeff Hendrick Matej Vydra Will Hughes and Tom Ince to keep us on FFP.... So do some research before you chat sh*t...


We're laughing at you anyway..[:D][cr][^]
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 18/04/2019 18:21

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Our net spend last season was about £13m - do your homework before making yourself look even sillier than you already do [^]



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