Home  |  Message Board  |  Fan Pics  |  Fan Polls  |  RSS Feed  |  Top of Thread  |  Login  |  Register
Display By:
Home  |  Message Board  |  Top of Thread  |  Login  |  Register
Display By:

 

 

 

Previous Thread   |  Top Of Board  |  Start New Thread  |   Next Thread
zorro_mfc Posted on 15/04/2019 22:22
Does the good Friday agreement only work one way
 
 
We all know about the great work the our late mo mowam did to get this agreement done and we all realised that in order to bring about peace some uncomfortable decisions needed to be made.

Whatever people thought about it at the time thrrr is no doubt that it did bring about the peace it was intended and that the north is a better place for it.

Evil doers on all sides were forgiven or at least ignored by the authorities with the so called get out jail letters handed over to men who we know now have committed and and in some cases continued to commit acts of terror but it was done for the greater good.

So in this back drop of reconciliation and the spirit of putting the past actions firmly in the past is it now right that soldiers are to face criminal trials when known provo terrorists have been allowed to walk free.

So does the good Friday agreement only work one way.
IP: Logged
EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 15/04/2019 22:29

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
The hostilities stopped drastically in the early 200os

The activities of the IRA (or UDA) need beneficiaries, sponsors.

None really now. Warrington was the last one.

I accept Mo Mowlem did great things but listen up people, us leaving Northern Ireland was the only real solution and that is very unlikely now. The Northern Irish have zero intention of joining the rest of Ireland so Sinn Fein were the minority party.

Come to think of it Southern Ireland have zero intention of having Northern Ireland either.

Sorry to be brief.
IP: Logged
Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 15/04/2019 22:32

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
If the soldier in question has done something which is completely outwith what they should be doing then yes they sgould be questioned. There is soldiering and then there is being a mentalist. If what I have heard he done is true then he wants putting on trial. I've yet to see the report claims in writing though.
IP: Logged
OnlyInAmerica Posted on 15/04/2019 22:35
Edited On: 15/04/2019 22:44
Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
Warrington was the last one??

What about omagh when over 30 people were killed by the ira?

Just a few months ago they set a bomb off in Londonderry and sent bombs to Waterloo station. They never have gone away
IP: Logged
kuepper Posted on 15/04/2019 23:23

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
"....no doubt that it did bring about the peace it was intended and that the north is a better place for it".

That's the official version. Belfast and Derry/Londonderry are the scariest places I've ever been. There's nothing remotely peaceful about the peace walls/lines in Belfast (no chance they'll be taken down by 2023 as planned) and the main road between the Falls and Shankill is still closed every night at 6pm til 6am. What sort of peace is that? Look at the various tripadvisor reviews

Link: peace?
IP: Logged
fools_gold Posted on 15/04/2019 23:38

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
British soldiers who committed murders during the Troubles were also freed under the terms of Good Friday Agreement so no, it isn't just IRA members.
IP: Logged
autism_awareness Posted on 15/04/2019 23:49

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
I saw Boro win a major trophy in my lifetime now a united Ireland will just top that.
IP: Logged
EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 16/04/2019 05:56

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
'Warrington was the last one?'

Sorry meant in England, which is the target of the oppression.


IP: Logged
Exiled_in_herford Posted on 16/04/2019 06:06

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
"British soldiers who committed murders during the Troubles were also freed under the terms of Good Friday Agreement so no, it isn't just IRA members."

Were they? Do you have any evidence of this?
IP: Logged
EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 16/04/2019 06:07

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
Unlikely autism,

3 reasons = Southern Ireland don't want them. Different accent and very much seen as a British 'county', different currency, different laws,different everything.

= The majority of Northern Irish (Oirish) have zero intention of budging, our monarch is their monarch, governed by our government. They have UK passports. The Northern Oirish folk I have met are really proud to be British.

= We had no business to invade Ireland back in the day and even now the Queen still wont apologise for the treatment by the British which resulted in mass migration and poverty.

Middlesbrough wouldnt be Middlesbrough without the Oirish. The Riverside was also built by Oirish labourers.
IP: Logged
supersinghy Posted on 16/04/2019 06:34

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
To answer your question. Yes. Yes it does. It us heavily stacked in their favour. They continue to break the agreement and had lots of terrorists given pardons in exchange for 'toning down' their activities. In the meantime we put our soldiers in jail for anything they did wrong back then. Those are the cold hard facts. It is shameful but not surprising.
IP: Logged
Ticker_Tape Posted on 16/04/2019 06:39

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
Depends what they did I suppose.
IP: Logged
1finny Posted on 16/04/2019 07:24

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
The clue is in the title ‘it’s an agreement’
Both parties signed up to it for the good of both
IP: Logged
jam69 Posted on 16/04/2019 08:09
Edited On: 16/04/2019 08:17
Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
what makes you think the Irish don't want united Ireland?

Link: www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/republic-of-
IP: Logged
since1970 Posted on 16/04/2019 08:45

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
I think autism_awareness needs to get some real-life awareness. [rle]
IP: Logged
Ticker_Tape Posted on 16/04/2019 09:01
Edited On: 16/04/2019 09:02
Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
I wonder how the vote would turn out if the mainland of England Scotland and Wales had to vote whether we kept NI in the union ?.
IP: Logged
LeitrimBoro Posted on 16/04/2019 09:05

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
EP... Where do you get your information? It's staggeringly inaccurate.
IP: Logged
Foggysfplandiet3 Posted on 16/04/2019 09:08

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
Why are the surviving Birmingham bombers not being prosecuted in the way that British soldiers from the same time are?

Why do some posters on here say that British soldiers should be prosecuted but known republican murderers like those responsible for Birmingham and Brighton should be left to live the rest of their lives without fear of prosecution?
IP: Logged
Ticker_Tape Posted on 16/04/2019 09:10

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
They should arrest the bombers imho.
IP: Logged
LeitrimBoro Posted on 16/04/2019 09:22
Edited On: 16/04/2019 09:24
Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
The British Government and Unionists refused to sign up to a 'Truth and Reconcillation' procedure. Similar to South Africa. This may have brought closure to all concerned
IP: Logged
Muttley Posted on 16/04/2019 09:54

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
The Public Prosecution Service said that of 26 so-called legacy cases it has taken decisions on since 2011, 13 related to republicans, eight to loyalists, and five are connected to the Army.

So no, it doesn't just work one way.

In the case of the soldier charged with murder, he shot an unarmed 15 year old teenager in the head. Twice. Killing him. He also shot his 17 year old cousin in the head (he survived).

An inquest in 2011 found Daniel Hegarty posed no risk and was shot without warning as the Army moved in to clear "no-go" areas during Operation Motorman. In respect of the older youth, Soldier B will face a charge of wounding with intent.

In a statement, the Hegarty family said: "This has been a long journey. It has taken 47 years to finally get the state to do the right thing.

"We urge anyone fighting for justice never to give up.

"We wish Soldier B no ill-will. We just want the criminal trial process to begin."
IP: Logged
Indeedido Posted on 16/04/2019 11:10

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
In principle I agree with the OP, though Muttley added some stats that are at least interesting re legacy cases since GFA.

EP talking tripe on Ireland now not just football.
I think there is an inevitability about a unified Ireland - when not if.
When a NI majority wants it and RoI wants it then it will happen and democratically rightly so. It won't mean an end to troubles however, as a new Loyalist minority will not just roll over and pledge to dublin.
IP: Logged
Foggysfplandiet3 Posted on 16/04/2019 11:16
Edited On: 16/04/2019 11:19
Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
"In the case of the soldier charged with murder, he shot an unarmed 15 year old teenager in the head. Twice. Killing him. He also shot his 17 year old cousin in the head (he survived)."

Well, that is terrible, I must say.

So is the following:

In the Omagh bombing 29 innocent civilians were murdered, including 6 teenagers, 6 children and a woman pregnant with twins, and 220 innocent civilians were maimed. despite the fact that a number of arrests were made nobody has been convicted of a criminal offence for the Omagh bombing and they never will be.

The Enniskillen bomb murdered 12 innocent civilians and maimed 63 others, almost all of them were elderly people. Nobody has ever been brought to book, nor will they ever be. They have got away with murder, as have so many republicans.


In the case of the Birmingham pub bombings 21 innocent civilians were murdered and another 182 innocent civilians were maimed. Nobody is being prosecuted now, even though they have been named.

But while soldiers are pursued and held to account nobody is doing anything about holding republican murderers to account.

I will say it again; I find it amazing that some people on here are so zealous in stating that soldiers need to be held to account but are not so vociferous when it comes to republican murderers: WHY? Is its some Middlesbrough "Irish heritage" thing ? Because if it is, it is XXXXXX misguided.
IP: Logged
Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 16/04/2019 11:18

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
'republican murderers'

What about loyalist murderers?
IP: Logged
Foggysfplandiet3 Posted on 16/04/2019 11:20

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
Thanks for proving my case, Corcaigh.

Very disappointing.
IP: Logged
Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 16/04/2019 11:22

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
Indicating your one sided post?
IP: Logged
OnlyInAmerica Posted on 16/04/2019 11:22
Edited On: 16/04/2019 11:24
Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
The amount of tripe on this thread is ridiculous. If people actually think the majority if NI would want a united ireland they mad.If they are in favour of one they are also mad.

The GFA has created a very fragile peace, it just takes one thing to set it all off again. Even talk of a united ireland could do it. You think anyone except Sinn Fein/IRA would want to risk that?

autism awareness is a absolute lunatic clearly
IP: Logged
Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 16/04/2019 11:27

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
Again, one side singled out. Wrong.
IP: Logged
OnlyInAmerica Posted on 16/04/2019 11:28
Edited On: 16/04/2019 11:29
Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
there is only one side pushing for a united ireland. its kind of what they stand for and the other against...
IP: Logged
Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 16/04/2019 11:29

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
There's more than one side willing to risk the end of peace though.
IP: Logged
OnlyInAmerica Posted on 16/04/2019 11:31

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
thats exactly what it would do
IP: Logged
Muttley Posted on 16/04/2019 11:55

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
It will happen. A unified Ireland. Probably in my lifetime or that of my children. It is a fact that a lot of young people from the "protestant community" are moving to the UK for work and many are not coming back. Whereas the catholic/republican community continues to grow. This has been the case since at least the 60s that the Catholic population was growing and the protestant shrinking but it has become more pronounced recently according to articles I read.

This can only be a good thing and is also a resounding argument for membership of the EU.

Peace.
IP: Logged
Foggysfplandiet3 Posted on 16/04/2019 11:57

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
"Indicating your one sided post?"

Corcaigh, I utterly condemn murders by loyalists, by anyone, and I call for their prosecution.

Will you now equally utterly condemn murders by republicans and call for their prosecution?

IP: Logged
Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 16/04/2019 11:58
Edited On: 16/04/2019 11:59
Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
Absolutely, change the wording in your posts though, like many others, you jumped too easily to blame one side, whilst condemning it.
IP: Logged
Indeedido Posted on 16/04/2019 12:09

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
Or alternatively Muttley, perhaps Ireland and Northern Ireland should not be the most important factor determining whether Great Britain leaves the EU?

All murder is wrong, whoever the murderer or victim.
The GF agreement and the legacy cases should be consistently applied, whoever the murderer.
NI will be majority republican very soon and should not be stopped from unifying if the Republic also wants that; but there will be a start of trouble, not the end of it.

IP: Logged
redwurzel Posted on 16/04/2019 12:16
Edited On: 16/04/2019 12:29
Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
It does seem that former British Army are being prosecuted but not IRA.

Some of the British Army must have being brutalised by the toxic environment in Northern Ireland and subject to a lot of feelings (I am tempted to say propaganda) against the Nationalist and Catholic community. Remember the IRA bombings only started after XXXXXX Sunday and other similar unauthorised killings of civilians by the British Army. Both were wrong and its wrong to use a wrong to justify unhuman actions.

My feelings is that there has to be an amnesty for all, even if they did very bad things. I know the families of the victims will be hurt, but not everyone can be pleased. Its important that everyone has equal rights in Northern Ireland and equal opportunities which was not the case before the Good Friday Agreement. Similarly the Loyalist community have the right to remain in the UK, but those rights should not deny the same legal and economic rights to those that want NI to be less contacted to the UK.
IP: Logged
Muttley Posted on 16/04/2019 12:16

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
"...perhaps Ireland and Northern Ireland should not be the most important factor determining whether Great Britain leaves the EU?"

You can't simply ignore the consequences of creating a hard land border in Ireland because it doesn't suit you preference.
IP: Logged
Indeedido Posted on 16/04/2019 12:22

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
Huge irony would be "the Irish issue" stopping a GB exit from the EU, then Ireland relatively quickly unifying within the EU, leaving GB in the EU against its wishes.

A very short tail wagging a much bigger dog?

(For clarity I do want to leave the EU, but with a soft Brexit along the lines of Common Market 2.0)
IP: Logged
Foggysfplandiet3 Posted on 16/04/2019 12:28

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
"you jumped too easily to blame one side, whilst condemning it."

That's purely your one (republican) sided interpretation of it.

And thanks again for proving my point.
IP: Logged
LeitrimBoro Posted on 16/04/2019 12:29

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
Foggy playing the whataboutery card again and again and again and again.
IP: Logged
autism_awareness Posted on 16/04/2019 12:34

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
"autism awareness is a absolute lunatic clearly."

That's a bit extreme [:D]

The British government do not have any right in Ireland and never had any right in Ireland.

Tiocfaidh ár lá [^]
IP: Logged
EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 16/04/2019 12:38

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
Ok guys if you think I am talking tripe why not just let the Oirish vote and decide.

Met quite a few Oirish folk over the last fews years;

Opinions = the North are VERY loyal to our Queen. The Republicans still represent the minority. If they ever represent the majority do you think that Dublin will dance to their tune? Do you thing the millionaires in Glenderloch, Wicklow, Blackrocks REALLY want part of a united Ireland?

The South want to do business in England, no problems. Irishmen are allowed to join the army here and work without restriction. Last time I went to Dublin I didnt have to show my passport.



IP: Logged
EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 16/04/2019 12:40

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
The fences wont come down in a hurry and the UK passport holding North think they are Brits.

Sorry but that is just how it is.
IP: Logged
fools_gold Posted on 16/04/2019 12:56

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
"Were they? Do you have any evidence of this?"

Yep. 4 gunmen who carried out the Miami Showband massacre were serving members of the Ulster Defence Regiment and released in 1998 under the terms of the Belfast Agreement.

Link: Link
IP: Logged
borobadge Posted on 16/04/2019 12:58

Does the Good Friday agreement only work one way

 
No,

That's why its called 'an agreement'....
IP: Logged
bear66 Posted on 16/04/2019 13:01

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
"Last time I went to Dublin I didnt have to show my passport."

That would have been the case anytime you traveled between the two countries from 1922.
IP: Logged
redwurzel Posted on 16/04/2019 13:01

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
The average opinion on the Republic of Ireland from what I gather is that in an ideal world they want an United Ireland, but they realise the loyalist community would not sit comfortably in a Republic of Ireland and would be trouble to manage more than it was worth. The Republic probably couldn't afford to subsidise NI like the rest of the UK currently does.

It wasn't ideal partitioning up Ireland in 1923, no border ever existed before 1923. The hard border of then did create bad feelings. The loyalist community felt under siege and behaved unreasonably to the Catholic community in NI which breed a lot of resentment. This added to historical resentment of the British from the violence of the Black and Tans in the early 1920s and the mass deaths from Famine which was were heightened by uncaring British Landowners and lack of positive action from the British Government (one third of the West of Ireland died in the famine).
IP: Logged
boromike85 Posted on 16/04/2019 13:02

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
"This can only be a good thing and is also a resounding argument for membership of the EU.

Peace."

So we let terrorists, or the threat of potential terrorism/violence at least, dictate how the rest of us live?

Peace is a great thing but only being allowed it under certain conditions isn't. Having a border or not should have nothing to do with there being war if both sides police it appropriately.
IP: Logged
LeitrimBoro Posted on 16/04/2019 13:08

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
Jaysus EP, stop it. You are making an utter fool of yourself.
IP: Logged
Muttley Posted on 16/04/2019 13:12

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
This is just one of the issues that SHOULD have been debated during the referendum. Instead we were fed a torrent of lies and fear mongering (from both sides). Leave were (apparently) briefed to avoid the subject.

This is reality. It should be part of the decision process.
IP: Logged
redwurzel Posted on 16/04/2019 14:13

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
In NI the border issues must have been discussed in the run up to the referendum still over 40% voted to leave, if they had voted to remain the National UK vote would have been extremely close.
IP: Logged
Muttley Posted on 16/04/2019 15:23

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
"In NI the border issues must have been discussed..."

You'd think that wouldn't you. Can anyone confirm it was, because I haven't seen anything either way?

"...if they had voted to remain the National UK vote would have been extremely close."

There were just short of 350k "leave" votes cast in NI, it wouldn't have made much difference even if they had all voted remain (which would be very unlikely). Except perhaps sociologically? Even a shift to a Scottish level desire to remain would be easily ignored as we have seen. These are the pressures that will ultimately break up the UK if we leave the EU.
IP: Logged
Indeedido Posted on 16/04/2019 15:31

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
Hence my observation of a very small tail wagging a very large dog.
IP: Logged
BandH Posted on 16/04/2019 20:58
Edited On: 16/04/2019 20:58
Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
The day will come when the catholics are the majority in Northern Ireland, the latest estimate I have read is 2021.

From that point onwards it is likely a referendum will be demanded on leaving the UK.

I fully expect Ireland to become one country by the middle of the century.

Then we will see protestant terrorism raise it's ugly head.
IP: Logged
parmoboy Posted on 16/04/2019 21:13

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
Harry Maguire, one of the men convicted of torturing and killing the two corporals in Belfast was released as part of the Good Friday Agreement, and is now Director of Community Restorative Justice in Ireland.

If these soldiers are going to be brought to justice for crimes committed during the troubles, could an argument not be made that Harry Maguire should be recalled to prison?

Where do we draw the line?
IP: Logged
TraffordBoro Posted on 16/04/2019 21:42

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
I lived in Belfast for 8 years up until a year ago, and some of the statements being made about the current state of play there are absurd.

With regards to being a dangerous place, you have to go looking for trouble to find it. There's places as rough as the Falls/Shankill in the Boro ffs, probably worse these days.

If anyone doubts this, go there for a weekend and see for yourself.

With regards to Northern Ireland being
IP: Logged
TraffordBoro Posted on 16/04/2019 21:44
Edited On: 17/04/2019 13:05
Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
.. With regards to Northern Ireland being "VERY" loyal, that is simply not true. The "Catholic" population are due to become the majority in the north within 10 years. That coupled with the risk of a hard border, a lot of "soft" Unionists are starting to wonder whether they would really be better off in a post-Brexit UK.

The DUP are getting louder because they are XXXXXX-scared of this.

In terms of the GFA, I have never come across anyone in Northern Ireland, Unionist or Nationalist, who believes it has had a negative impact upon their life. Saying it has been anything but a huge success is utterly ignorant.
IP: Logged
bumface Posted on 17/04/2019 04:15

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
EP. Jesus. I admire your taste in films at times but you are showing staggering levels of ignorance on this thread. I get that you're probably just joking but these are people's lives that people are talking about.
IP: Logged
supersinghy Posted on 17/04/2019 05:44

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
That is an excellent example of what is wrong with this agreement parmoboy. Totally one sided.
IP: Logged
Muttley Posted on 17/04/2019 08:18

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
"Harry Maguire, one of the men convicted of torturing and killing the two corporals in Belfast was released as part of the Good Friday Agreement, and is now Director of Community Restorative Justice in Ireland."

That's about as bad an example for "one-sided-ness" as it might be possible to make.

Harry Maguire has, as parmoboy stated, been convicted in a court of law. You can argue that he hasn't served as much of a sentence as you would prefer but perhaps he is now contributing to society in a positive way in his position? The soldier who shot and killed an unarmed teenager and seriously wounded another has been protected by our army and our government. Even if he is found guilty, it is extremely unlikely he will ever see the inside of a prison.

You can either go down the route of vengeance and retribution or you can say "this is what happened, it must never happen again" and just stop.

You can't give "justice" to the dead lad but you can make sure there are no more "dead lads", no more tears.

That, for me, is justice.
IP: Logged
OnlyInAmerica Posted on 19/04/2019 07:47

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
As I was saying they haven’t gone away.
RIP the 29 yo journalist shot dead by the ira last night because some terrorists house was raided
IP: Logged
uncle_rico Posted on 19/04/2019 07:59

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
RIP Lyra McKee
IP: Logged
OPEO Posted on 19/04/2019 08:04

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
Petrol bombs thrown at police vehicles. Were these just lying around?
Here we go again.
IP: Logged
The_same_as_before Posted on 19/04/2019 09:54

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
Be careful on mentioning the murder of the young journalist you will be accused of one sidededness.

IP: Logged
Foggysfplandiet3 Posted on 19/04/2019 11:40

Does the good Friday agreement only work one way

 
The GFA has created a very fragile peace and if giving everyone an amnesty is key to maintaining that then I can well understand.

However, that amnesty must apply to ALL sides including British Armed Forces soldiers, not just the criminal thugs, gangsters, knee-cappers, and murderers of innocent men, women and children.

Continuing to pursue one side’s personnel while giving the other side’s murderers immunity from any prosecution is just one-sided hypocrisy, surely.
IP: Logged
Previous Thread  |  Start New Thread  |  Top Of Board  |  Top Of Thread  |  Next Thread



Home  |Message Board  |  Top of Board  |  Login  |  Register


Copyright © 2008 to 2019 Fansonline.net Ltd

FansOnline.net Ltd
Unit 7
Brentnall Center
Gilkes Street
Middlesbrough
Cleveland
TS1 5AP
Fansonline Home | About Fansonline | Contact Fansonline | Advertise On Fansonline | Privacy Policy | TOS
10.0.166.103