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Trug Posted on 15/03/2019 11:36
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I am now totally confused as to what is going on.
What is May's deal?
Why should we expect the EU to pander to us as we are the ones who are leaving?
Why are the EU deemed to be taking a hard line when all they are doing is sticking to the rules that UK signed up to?
Why would "No Deal" be a threat to the EU?
If anyone can explain to me what all this means in simple laymans terms I would be most grateful because my fkn head is spinning now. Thank you
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erimus11 Posted on 15/03/2019 11:43

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You're best waiting for foomanboro's reply as he is the fount of all knowledge on this subject
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bear66 Posted on 15/03/2019 11:45

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There was an MP on Newsnight that we shouldn't have a referendum of May's deal versus anything as the public wouldn't understand the 580 pages of detail.

A 'simple' summary below

Link: Link
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Trug Posted on 15/03/2019 11:57

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Thanks Bear- looking at that lot seems to me we are better off where we are
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plazmuh Posted on 15/03/2019 12:03

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Better off being held to ransom by the Ulster Unionists..

Yes business as usual..
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two_banks_of_four Posted on 15/03/2019 12:18
Edited On: 15/03/2019 12:20
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May's deal basically puts off the really difficult stuff (in the comprehensive free trade agreement) for a couple of years in exchange for a cash bung.

The hope is that we will basically end up where we are, but it will be called something different and everyone will have moved on and not notice.

May's deal is likely to pass next week. The vote will, at least, be much closer. The ERG will fold because if they don't they can wave goodbye to Brexit at all. The DUP will probably fall into line with a bit of extra cash for a new wing on the King Billy museum in Belfast.

Notice the tweaking of legal position papers to give the ERG the cover of something changing. Its pretty transparent, the Benn amendment last night was a key vote for T. May.

The whole thing is an utter waste of time, money and effort.
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Indeedido Posted on 15/03/2019 12:31

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Yes Trug, if it were only about economics and Trade.
But it's not.
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Konrad_the_Barbarian Posted on 15/03/2019 12:49

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Re: May's deal basically puts off the really difficult stuff (in the comprehensive free trade agreement) for a couple of years in exchange for a cash bung.

Just to clarify, it is the EU who refused to negotiate any future trading arrangements until we had agreed the terms of our withdrawal. It is not May's deal that has put off this off it is the process that the EU insisted on.
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Ziggy Posted on 15/03/2019 13:08

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"Just to clarify, it is the EU who refused to negotiate any future trading arrangements until we had agreed the terms of our withdrawal. It is not May's deal that has put off this off it is the process that the EU insisted on"

Just to re- clarify.
The EU 'cannot' enter into trade negotiations, until the WA is ratified and we enter the transition phase.
Because we are still members.
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lapennabianca Posted on 15/03/2019 13:12

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These are also rules our government helped to draft and were fully aware of before the triggering of article 50.

Instead of listen and plan, May and Nick Timothy forced out Ivan Rogers and triggered it with no clear plan
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Aldgitend Posted on 15/03/2019 14:44

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Please don't call it May's deal.It is the deal the EU gave to her and told her to bring back.A bit like Postman Pat.
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bear66 Posted on 15/03/2019 14:47
Edited On: 15/03/2019 14:48
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It is May's deal. The EU don't particularly like it but it was the only way of accommodating her red lines and not wanting services included for some reason. They'd prefer a Norway+ type deal.
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Trug Posted on 15/03/2019 16:18

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Thanks for all the answers. I wish I had never asked. My head is worse now. [:D]
One thing I do not understand. Why do people want to walk away with no deal at all. Surely that is the worst of all options for the UK?
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gizasqueezemister Posted on 15/03/2019 22:39

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I donít think either side wants no deal (we import more than we export I believe) however the EU have it on good authority from the king of remain (Blair) that if they can avoid serious negotiations and dig in their heels then a 2nd ref will be inevitable. Brexit is dead. Needed a cross party team co-lead by Labour/Tory reps who believe the UK is better off out. Whatever is on offer now isnít worth having [V]
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