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Funky_Chicken Posted on 14/03/2019 19:37
Edited On: 16/03/2019 00:02So leave doesn’t mean leave after all
 
 
Whodda thought it - Mrs Mayhem proudly declares on numerous occasions “we will be leaving the EU on March 29th” only we aren’t [DFS] I’ve said it all along, Brexit will never happen folks



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Fuchs_ache Posted on 14/03/2019 19:45

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Oh what’s happened? Did I miss something?
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middlesbrough123 Posted on 14/03/2019 21:40

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I can’t say I’ve ever truly believed we live in democracy.

We are just minions what is the point in even voting again if it’s only to kid ourselves to think we actually have a say in the bigger picture ?
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the_holgate_roof Posted on 14/03/2019 22:01

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the best outcome is to leave, with a domino effect and others countries following our lead, eroding away the power of the EU....
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 14/03/2019 22:04

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I reckon the french would love to leave as well - if that happened the EU would fold like a deck if cards





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Konrad_the_Barbarian Posted on 14/03/2019 22:12

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Italy will have to leave the Euro, at the very least. Their economy is in a spiral of recession after recession and they're unable to do anything about it with the fiscal constraints of the
Euro.

If you thought Greece was a crisis Italy will bring the whole lot down....... and more [sad]
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Betamaxman Posted on 14/03/2019 22:24

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I voted remain. Thought it through, pros and cons, and for me it was better to be in the EU than not.

I also thought that despite being a net contributor, as a 'richer' nation, if we helped other European nations to come up and prosper, it was a price worth paying for a better united future.

However, when we do finally end up remaining, through a series of events contrived by Parliament..... It's not going to feel quite so sweet now, knowing that the whole referendum was actually a sham, and we didn't have a "choice" to leave at all. Oh well...

Just a thought...
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Scrote Posted on 15/03/2019 00:28

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We had a choice to leave despite an illegal campaign.

However, the Brexiteers got greedy and demanded more than they could ever deliver.

Had May not gone to the EU with a list of contradictory red lines we'd currently be part of a Swiss or Norway style deal and wondering why we were daft enough to leave in the first place.

No-one has prevented leave except the Leavers.

That said I can't see any situation whereby we won't leave on 29th March with No Deal - it's the only option currently available and is the default position.

Only a revocation of A50 will prevent that unless we get an extension. I don't see what the EU have to gain from that though. If anything it will make the whole thing worse with the EU elections coming up.
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BlindBoyGrunt1 Posted on 15/03/2019 08:24

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Latest news is that if we don't back TM's deal at the third time of asking, she will ask for an extension of up to two years.

I'm starting to feel blackmailed.
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SmogOnOuseburn Posted on 15/03/2019 08:24

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Leaving was not the problem. There was a straightforward soft option such as Norway2, or WTO terms.

Expecting the other party to bend over backwards to accommodate our demands (which still aren't clear after 3 years) was always unrealistic.

Take Back Control - what a joke.
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SmogOnOuseburn Posted on 15/03/2019 09:04

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BlindBoy - so what would you do?

You certainly can't blame May for not trying. It is the ERG group who are stopping her!
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foomanboro Posted on 15/03/2019 09:23

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Norway model is not an option for UK. They rely heavily on deep sea oil reserves we don’t have. Not remotely comparable.

Moving to WTO terms would not be a soft option. In fact it would be disastrous withassive leap on trade tariffs.

Annoying when people offer up models of how it should be done without having the slightest clue how they work. This kind of ignorance as to why we are in this mess in the first place.
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UKLL1981 Posted on 15/03/2019 09:28
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However you voted, it only goes to show the contempt and disregard parliament hold the public for. Not really a proud day for democracy or the U.K. Anywhere else in the world and we’d probably be condemning it. It only goes to show what a sham democracy is in this country. The Tories can’t agree on anything, Labour want to sabotage it at any opportunity for their own political gain, the SNP and DUP are only interested in leverage and the Lib Dems have obviously read our minds because apparently we don’t know what we voted for and have all changed our minds, you couldn’t make this farce up. The only thing they all have in common is they’ve completely forgotten about the people and they are only interested in their selves and their own agendas.

‘This is your decision and the government will implement it’

Or not.

Where’s Guy Fawkes when you need him?
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boksic Posted on 15/03/2019 09:35

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"the best outcome is to leave, with a domino effect and others countries following our lead, eroding away the power of the EU"

France want to leave too?

Er no, the approval of citizens in the rest of the EU about the EU has gone UP since the UK voted to leave. But let's not let "facts" get in the way of any argument on this subject.
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boksic Posted on 15/03/2019 09:40

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"Expecting the other party to bend over backwards to accommodate our demands"

It's not even that - the EU pointed out to the UK negotiators that there was an issue around leaving caused by the open border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. The UK then came up with the idea of the "backstop" to solve that problem. The EU agreed to this. Then the UK parliament cannot approve the withdrawal agreement that contains the backstop - beyond farce into tragedy.
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Nero Posted on 15/03/2019 09:56

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It's not a sham democracy at all. Politicians are finally doing what they were elected to do. They can see the risk of leaving with no deal is madness and correctly stopping it in its tracks.
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go_nads Posted on 15/03/2019 10:09

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Which is fair enough. But why offer a referendum in the first place if they couldn’t deliver on the outcome? Whichever way you look at it, parliament has failed the electorate.
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foomanboro Posted on 15/03/2019 10:10
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Yep parliament is finally trying look after this country are stepping in to protect us from harming ourselves.

If someone is planning to commit suicide would you not try and do something to stop them if you had the power? Or maybe that’s undemocratic as well.
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boroskel65 Posted on 15/03/2019 11:02

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These are the rules: 52 beats 48, 312 beats 308 and the referee brandished a red card at Daniel Ayala!
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UKLL1981 Posted on 15/03/2019 11:08

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You are honestly comparing a person taking their own life to leaving a political union? Have remoaners always been so melodramatic and sensationalist? You are no better positioned to predict the future than bob the builder, white van man or postman pat even if you think you know better and your opinion to be superior. Some people have predicted Corbyn to be an economic disaster for this country in the (unlikely) event he ever won a general election, would we expect parliament to step in and stop him being pm for the good of the country? Politicians can never be allowed to disregard and ignore the very people they are elected to represent, it’s not democracy, it’s a sham and a very dangerous precedent.
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Cooper6711 Posted on 15/03/2019 11:18

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He always does talk about suicide...it's ok when May's deal passes next week we will see the mother of all meltdowns by the remoaners
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Muttley Posted on 15/03/2019 11:31

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For about the hundredth time the referendum was nothing to do with leaving the EU per se. It was to head off the threat to the Tory Party of UKIP.

The only people stopping May's deal are the extreme Brexiteers the ERG and DUP.

There has been no effort on the behalf of the Tory Party to form a cross party consensus to come up with a solution that would be acceptable to many remainers (e.g. the Norway+ type arrangement). It has all been about the Tory Party's desperate desire to cling to power and shows the problems inherent in the FPTP "two party" system.
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foomanboro Posted on 15/03/2019 13:08

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Well brexit is economic suicide. It’s a perfect analogy.

Actually it’s the equivalent of dragging half of the country over the edge of a cliff with you. Forgive us whilst we dig our heels in.
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SmogOnOuseburn Posted on 15/03/2019 20:55

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Quite right, Muttley. And Cameron never expected to have to honour the referendum promise in his manifesto as he expected another hung Parliament with the Lib Dems vetoing it. It has been a shambles right from the start, with blatant lies from both sides but mainly Leave. (Turkey about to join EU, £350m to NHS FFS).
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lapennabianca Posted on 15/03/2019 22:29

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" Some people have predicted Corbyn to be an economic disaster for this country in the (unlikely) event he ever won a general election, would we expect parliament to step in and stop him being pm for the good of the country? "

Well, various MPs elected on a Labour ticket have now left the party, kept their seats and said they're committed to preventing Corbyn from being PM. So... yes?

As for being melodramatic and sensationalist - you literally said 'remoaner' in that sentence and have previously threatened to leave the country if you don't get your way. I think the prima donna is a little closer to home.
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zaphod Posted on 15/03/2019 22:45

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The referendum didn't specify the date that Brexit was to happen. The referendum didn't specify that Brexit meant rejecting the Customs Union; that was a Tory party decision.

May's deal doesn't actually really mean leaving the EU on March 29th except in the most technical legal sense, as there is a 21 month transition period during which the UK Government finds out what a rotten trade deal the EU is willing to give us - cue another bout of Parliamentary chaos, as the trade deal is unacceptable to most MPs.
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Holgatemax Posted on 15/03/2019 22:56

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UKLL 1981
I agree with your comments. I voted leave in 2016 and my mind has not changed. May had a difficult task getting a deal out of the EU who would never offer the perfect deal. With the ERG and DUP getting a majority for a poor deal was impossible. Labour want to keep us in the single market so basically we are still in the E U.
It all boils down to MP,s with the own agendas and not voting in line with what their constituents voted for. The Redcar MP Turrley is a classic example who wants a second vote. She is not representing her constituents yet was elected like other labour MPs on a manifesto to leave.
The country have already voted to leave and Parliament have not delivered. So if Parliament cannot sort it out and labour want a people’s vote then the question should be leave no deal or leave May deal.
To have a second vote with remain will be against democracy and will lead to mayhem fuelling the far right.
I do respect remain voters and their views but for god sake get over it, the country voted leave.
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since1970 Posted on 15/03/2019 23:05

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"she will ask for an extension of up to two years."

She won't even get as far as asking for it. Thats all her European masters will offer her treacherous, pro EU negotiators.
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lapennabianca Posted on 15/03/2019 23:57

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"I do respect remain voters and their views but for god sake get over it, the country voted leave."

If it's such a fait accompli that the country wishes to leave, why the issue with a second vote? Let people decide now they know *exactly* what kind of Brexit they will get.
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borolad01642 Posted on 16/03/2019 05:14

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Whatever happens, nothing could be worse for this country than Corbyn and Abott getting in power....now that is scary!
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Gibsons_Parmo Posted on 16/03/2019 07:42

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Whatever could or couldn't happen we were told we could leave, the link below proves this.This wont get shown on TV because the politicians are corrupt and control everything.
As Mark Twain said, if voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it.
More fool us

Link: Liars
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Gibsons_Parmo Posted on 16/03/2019 07:46

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link doesnt work:


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=573064029838535&id=438456536486382
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flipside Posted on 16/03/2019 07:47

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Did Mark Twain say anything about being able to post a link?
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OPEO Posted on 16/03/2019 07:48

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Linky no worky
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flipside Posted on 16/03/2019 07:48
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Still no work
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Gibsons_Parmo Posted on 16/03/2019 08:03

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Haha Apologies. I cant get it to work. Any help appreciated

Its basically David Cameron explaining how the vote no matter the outcome will stand
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jam69 Posted on 16/03/2019 08:06

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take everything off before the www. bit. a Tory lying eh, whoda thought..
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Gibsons_Parmo Posted on 16/03/2019 08:14

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there is no www.
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