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Ingleby_Flash Posted on 14/03/2019 11:33
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Doesn't sit right with me. What happened was wrong, but I thought we were in a 'truth and reconciliation' type phase.

The wrong type of troops with the wrong type of training for the situation. So now we're prosecuting them individually for the inevitable outcome. Not comfortable with it.
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Carribeanqueen Posted on 14/03/2019 11:36
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It's a very very uncomfortable situation indeed, our lads will be strung up but those IRA idiots who won't be touched will be left to roam free
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Richyboro Posted on 14/03/2019 11:43

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Surely the commanding officer bears responsibility? Not that any of them should be charged, terrorists have walked free why are these being charged.
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Carribeanqueen Posted on 14/03/2019 11:44

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The CO won't be alive anymore
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flipside Posted on 14/03/2019 11:47
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"Not that any of them should be charged, terrorists have walked free why are these being charged."

Whaaaaatttt?????!!
We are talk about unarmed civilians that were murdered by British Soldiers.
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Carribeanqueen Posted on 14/03/2019 11:52

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Unarmed civilians your crazy if you believe that
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Ingleby_Flash Posted on 14/03/2019 11:54

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Not even sure the CO was to blame, the failure was systemic. They should never have been put into that environment, totally the wrong tool for the job. So to now blame the individuals just doesn't seem right.
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jam69 Posted on 14/03/2019 11:55

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you dont think those killed on XXXXXX sunday were unarmed civilians?
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flipside Posted on 14/03/2019 11:55

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All of those who were shot dead were unarmed.
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Richyboro Posted on 14/03/2019 11:58

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Flipside was it just the terrorists who were allowed to walk away scot free for peace?
A lot of unthinkable crimes were committed during that dirty war by both sides. Why is it just our side being dragged through the courts?
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flipside Posted on 14/03/2019 12:00

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Only one soldier has been charged. The others walk away due to insufficient evidence. Even though unarmed civilians were murdered. Your logic is totally flawed.
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jam69 Posted on 14/03/2019 12:04

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it's not just "our side "

Link: www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/john-d
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redwurzel Posted on 14/03/2019 12:08

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I agree its tough on one squaddie who has been selected out on a murder charge when the officers controlled the situation and the officers often create a particular background to what happened. There must of being half a dozen Paras who shot at the rioters and it appears they were encouraged to. As usual the officers get off lightly.

I agree the Paras should not have being sent to Northern Ireland. They are trained to be dropped behind enemy lines and survive in very hostile environment. Their training is much more extreme. They are not trained to deal with policing civilians (even aggressive ones).

Going on the play on TV - some of the killing looked unwarranted for example a solder shoting someone who was hiding from him in a dustbin - its hard to say that was self defence. It was a civil rights march where Roman Catholics were asking for the same right as Protestants for example to right to join the RUC or work at Harland and Wolf or Short Brothers or the right to vote in local elections (without owning property).
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Richyboro Posted on 14/03/2019 12:08
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So he is the sacrificial lamb?
I thought that past crimes etc were hidden/forgotten/forgiven to cement the peace.

edit: Fair enough, not just our side.
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Muttley Posted on 14/03/2019 12:18

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I don't think that even if found guilty he will go to prison. It should be viewed as part of a necessary but uncomfortable part of the peace process where all past misdemeanors and crimes are investigated and (hopefully) resigned to history to allow the people of Ireland to move on.

On an aside, might it not have been better if soldiers had been prosecuted in the immediate aftermath? How many innocent lives might have been saved if the lives of those killed were given the appropriate respect...
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etmfc Posted on 14/03/2019 12:42

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Anyone who commits murder should be held to account no matter when or where the crime occurred.
Soldiers shooting unarmed civilians is particularly heinous IMO especially as some of the victims were shot in the back running away.
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Nero Posted on 14/03/2019 13:02

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It was completely wrong what happened that day, but there's no way the IRA didn't stir things up either.

They were looking and waiting and wanting an excuse to declare war on the British Army.
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Dick59 Posted on 14/03/2019 13:36

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One good thing is that the truth about that day may come out. As posted above there has always been someone saying that the IRA were involved somehow which can't help the victims. I do remember the MP for NI apologising whether that was due to political pressure or not I can't remember. Soldier F does seem to be a sacrificial lamb.
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redwurzel Posted on 14/03/2019 13:36

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The provisional IRA could only operate with the support of a significant segment of the Northern Irish population and their sense of being second class citizens in their own country. XXXXXX Sunday proved to be a fantastic tool for IRA recruitment amongst the Catholic communities of Northern Ireland. If we were being very cynical we could say the British Army was sucked in and was too niave and too much supporting the RUC. They went to NI to protect the local catholic population from RUC attacks and ended up killing those that they were there to protect. Then it became tit for that. The Bombing campaign only started after XXXXXX Sunday. There was another XXXXXX Sunday before the one in Londonderry/Derry and that is much less wrote about.
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Anton_Berg Posted on 14/03/2019 13:40

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If the truth hasn't come out yet, then what was the Saville Enquiry all about (apart from paying out millions to barristers)?
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parmoboy Posted on 14/03/2019 15:14

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It's a shame McGuinness isn't still alive. It would have been nice for him to have been held accountable for his actions that day, along with several other high ranking IRA members who are now respectable politicians.
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Foggysfplandiet3 Posted on 14/03/2019 15:54

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Loads of unarmed civilians, many of them women and children, have been murdered by known members of the IRA, like the bloke who planted the Brighton bomb. But under the Good Friday agreement they will never be held accountable like our soldiers are being.

Something wrong there, surely?
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LeitrimBoro Posted on 14/03/2019 16:36

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You're wrong. The Belfast Agreement dealt with early release of prisoners. The man who did the Hyde Park bombings has recently been extradited to UK.
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Foggysfplandiet3 Posted on 14/03/2019 16:57

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Whatever the semantics are, British squaddies are being pursued but Irish republican terrorists have walked away scot-free with their "We guarantee we will never prosecute you" letters.

It STINKS.
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Richyboro Posted on 14/03/2019 17:04

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"The man who did the Hyde Park bombings has recently been extradited to UK" - not for those bombings though, he got a get out of jail card free for those.
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Capt_Tiffy Posted on 14/03/2019 17:56

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What about the unarmed civilains spread around Hyde Park?
What about the unarmed civilians spread around Warrington??
What about the 2 squaddies dragged out a car and beaten to death with wheel braces???

Oh, that's right. They all got get out of jail free cards from Blair.

I'm not saying it was right but Jesus Christ, imagine being in the position those squaddies were in.
You weren't there so you don't know.
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flipside Posted on 14/03/2019 19:32

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We know that unarmed civilians were killed by British Soldiers. That is clear.[rle]
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Carribeanqueen Posted on 14/03/2019 19:36

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Fukk the IRA and fukk you
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flipside Posted on 14/03/2019 19:38

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Riverside Rifle is back
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Carribeanqueen Posted on 14/03/2019 19:39

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Where is he [?] To be fair he's probably the best crack this boards had for a while
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Gadgee Posted on 14/03/2019 19:46

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where does this top? is it only british troops? at the moment the french authorities are maiming its ow citizens. will they face the full force of the law?

Link: 17 lost eye
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r00fie1 Posted on 14/03/2019 19:53

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The Para`s did as they were told.
The British State,
Exonerated by the Saville Enquiry
Should be held to account
Not the individual soldier.
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Block1 Posted on 14/03/2019 21:36

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There is no doubt that it was blatant murder and contrary to what some are saying they were not “highly trained” 1 para at that time had been completely ignoring Rules of engagement for some time previous and yes higher ranks should have been in the dock, including General Ford who used this unit for his hit squad. Having said that the Good Friday agreement means “all bets are off” you can’t let over 300 murdering scum out of prison and give out over 100 letters to on the run murdering scum and say this is justice.
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