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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 13/03/2019 22:35
Presumably you’re all fairly happy, right?
 
 
With the team and manager. After all when we were winning games and in the automatic spots it was all about the style of football and intent.

We had 22 attempts, 4 on target and hit the post twice (both those in the opening 10 minutes). We pressed high up the pitch and were in tota control until Ayala got sent off.

When that happened we had a second striker restored within 10 minutes and went for the 3 points.

That was one of our best home performances for a while.

Fletcher was good again, really wanted to see that lad given a chance all season I really think there’s a player there. Seems to have recovered from his chronic lack of confidence and playing well. 3 goals in 4 games for him now.

Ayala. I’ve said this time and time again but I really am done with him. That’s red cards after an hour 3 times in 2 seasons. He spends more time grappling, shirt pulling lunging into tackles and whacking the ball up the pitch than actually trying to play football. Please get rid in the summer.

The fans golden boy Assombalonga continues to get a away scot-free with poor performances in which he offers very little goal threat. He needs to be dropped, terrible.

Failure to finish chances has cost us these two matches and left us needing something from these tough run of games.
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wartle Posted on 13/03/2019 22:36

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Home form is awful. Pulis has to go. Gibson needs some help.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 13/03/2019 22:38

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I really feel embarrassed for you Pog. Such hypocrisy.
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bear66 Posted on 13/03/2019 22:39

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Thought that was s good game tonight. Pulis put out a good team formation and things went well till Howson gave the ball away. Both front men kept the pressure on them and good to see Fletcher getting another goal.

Isn't that Ayala's first straight red card in a league game since he's been here? Looked a good tackle live but not seen any replays.

Good free kick but poor by Randolph not to come out for the second.

Good fight to the end. Nothing to complain about with selection or performance tonight.
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Marvanelli Posted on 13/03/2019 22:40

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There are none so blind as those who will not see.
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Free_Subbuteo_171 Posted on 13/03/2019 22:42

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Last 14 home games.

Wins versus 18th, 21st and 24th in the league.

Is that acceptable PAMH? Are you happy with that?

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Nosmo-King Posted on 13/03/2019 22:42
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Presumably you’re all fairly happy, right?

 
You really think people are fairly happy? If you think that, you're a bit of a jerk. Pulis is ensuring we are witnessing some of the most turgid, insipid football for a long, long time, fairly happy? His bizarre substitutions - everyone fairly happy? Dividing the fan base - fairly happy?

Pog, your thread really does not make sense- it appears what it is- a desperate attempt to defend your man through reverse psychology. Do you know what? You've failed.
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borodrew Posted on 13/03/2019 22:42

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Why would people be so knee jerk as to flip after one game?

The negativity is a cumulation over a season or so from a manager who rarely gets the team putting in good performances, playing half decent football , but you know that anyway.
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Paulroddam7 Posted on 13/03/2019 22:43

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If we played like that every game then we would win a lot more than we lose.

We only have Ayala to blame for the defeat.
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Dribble Posted on 13/03/2019 22:44

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What fight till the end,their heads dropped as soon as we went down to 10 .Not one bitof fight in any of them.Gutless to a man
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Nobby_Barnes Posted on 13/03/2019 22:49

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Thought you weren't allowed to use the words hypocrite or hypocrisy on this board Adi ?

There's only one hypocrite on this thread YOU
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Derek_Duvall Posted on 13/03/2019 22:54

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We played well! If you fail to see that then you clearly have an agenda.

The referee cost us that game. Simples.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 13/03/2019 23:06

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Haha as expected. Conversation after the game, with two people who are anti-Pulis

Person 1 “I don’t like Pulis, but I can’t complain about him tonight”

Person 2 “Yeah I enjoyed that we played well”

Me “I’m sure Fmttm will have a very different take on it”

True to form as always.
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paulwilko10 Posted on 13/03/2019 23:07

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And I'm a troll [:D][:D]
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hopesoboro Posted on 13/03/2019 23:10

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Behave Pog. Show some class.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 13/03/2019 23:11

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“Pog, your thread really does not make sense- it appears what it is- a desperate attempt to defend your man through reverse psychology. Do you know what? You've failed.”

Not at all. After we beat Sheffield Utd 3-0 I was told it was awful and the football was terrible.

I’ve said all season Boro fans will only be happy if the team are playing what they deem to be attractive football AND winning.

Tonight proved that. Played very well, one player let us down. Were the fans any happier? Team booed off and many fans blame the manager.
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homesickblues Posted on 13/03/2019 23:13

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Why would I be happy? My team lost tonight.
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Richyboro Posted on 13/03/2019 23:13

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pog, I want TP gone but I can't blame him for tonight. [^] Just wish we would play like that, on the front foot, more often. If we did we would probs still be chasing 2nd place.
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Tryasize11 Posted on 13/03/2019 23:15

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"We only have Ayala to blame for the defeat."

Or howson who played the ball forcing Ayala into making the challenge?

So your statement is incorrect.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 13/03/2019 23:15

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I see Nobby is losing his mind again.

Come on Pog this thread is really quite pathetic isn’t it? No right minded Boro fan is going to be happy about losing a game. I’m certainly not. Equally and despite being entirely in favour of Pulis being replaced I can’t blame him in any way tonight. We played ok, deserved better and he was let down. I can’t for the life of me see why you’d gleefully post something like this after a defeat, I really can’t.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 13/03/2019 23:16

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That’s a very fair view Richy.

I wasn’t particularly pleased coming away from the game on Saturday, but tonight it was quite the opposite but very disappointed with one or two individuals letting us down.
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bear66 Posted on 13/03/2019 23:25

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Howson and Randolph.
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Nobby_Barnes Posted on 13/03/2019 23:26

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I'm certainly not losing my mind Adi, I remember it clear as day. You're a hypocrite, you change your tune to suit. Disingenuous prat !
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 13/03/2019 23:27

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“Come on Pog this thread is really quite pathetic isn’t it? No right minded Boro fan is going to be happy about losing a game. I’m certainly not.”

Because it proves the point I’ve made all season and others have denied all season. The whole “we just want to see our team attack and have a go” b0ll0cks. Well we did, anyone *fairly* happy with that? Of course not. It was always BS.

We win games narrowly and people are miffed at the football. We lose playing very well and fans are miffed at the result. The only thing that will please our fans is play very well AND win.

“Equally and despite being entirely in favour of Pulis being replaced I can’t blame him in any way tonight. We played ok, deserved better and he was let down. I can’t for the life of me see why you’d gleefully post something like this after a defeat, I really can’t.”

There’s no glee from me. I’m fuming that Ayala continues to let this club down and continues to be selected. I’m not happy with Assomablonga’s performances which the fans continue to cover for, or the home form which simply isn’t good enough.

I’m not happy with almost everything this club has done in the last 3 seasons, from the recruitment, to the management and coaching staff, to tickets, to the merchandise. it’s a rudderless ship and the chairman clearly has no vision for the club.
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 13/03/2019 23:27

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Fairly happy with two home defeats in a week, pretty stupid comment or even thought.
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Nosmo-King Posted on 13/03/2019 23:28

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However you dress it up it is another 3 points lost, everything else is rather immaterial
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JLinardi Posted on 13/03/2019 23:28

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I was pretty happy with what I seen, we dominated, created chances and moved the ball about well.

Not happy about the result or performance after the red card but imo criticism of Pulis for tonights result is a bit harsh.
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paulwilko10 Posted on 13/03/2019 23:29

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Omfg! Seriously?

We showed an interest, but I believe we had 1 decent shot in target!

Is that playing well? Not in my eyes or isn't!

Wake up people, pog, don't even bother, you're a troll, end of
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SmogOnOuseburn Posted on 13/03/2019 23:32

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I agree with Bear, the main culprits tonight were Howson, Randolph (why didn't he just go out and catch that looping ball?). Oh and don't get me started on that ref or that XXXXXX Alex Neil who kicked the ball away from Friend!
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allied_assault Posted on 13/03/2019 23:36

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Presumably you think this about tonight Pog
It’s not - we have been turgid for most of the season especially at home
Remember Burton and Newport?
Ffffing terrible
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 13/03/2019 23:36

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Absolute tripe that Howson was poor, he was our best player tonight.
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allied_assault Posted on 14/03/2019 00:02

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Agree TT
Howson was superb tonight
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block2 Posted on 14/03/2019 00:21

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I did not watch the whole game but we were in total control a bit like Saturday and 1 point from games against Wigan, Brentford and Preston just probably proves what pulis was saying at the start the players are not good enough, missed chances again, can we keep on blaming pulis and his negative tactics, if we had took our chances in all 3 games we might have had 9 points instead of 1
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Indeedido Posted on 14/03/2019 00:25

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I also agree that Howson was easily our best player tonight until he ran out of steam.
We played better tonight, but got ripped to bits after the sending off. I haven't seen it replayed yet, so don't know whether it was right or not.Friend gave a blatant penalty away and Johnson missed two absolute sitters.
What was clear was we were already much deeper second half before the sending off. He can't help himself.

We had 40% possession at home again and they had 6 shots on target to our 4.

We did play better first half and should have put the game to bed. But we didn't.
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wartle Posted on 14/03/2019 00:25

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Howson was turd. Ran down blind alleys. Missed sitters. Had 1 good shot. His poor pass began our downfall.

One of the reasons we are as average as we are is Howson. Awful player.
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asredastheycome Posted on 14/03/2019 00:52

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Anyone who has FlashScores go have a look at our form in last 5-10-15-20-25-30 games. We must have had a great start.
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1finny Posted on 14/03/2019 00:59

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I remember under AK having some good stats about shots on goal.
Pretty sure Pog came on to say something like ‘its not about this game its about his style and management’

Could be wrong
But very much doubt it[;)]

1 point from the last 9 [?] - worse than Derby and Bristol City
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Nero Posted on 14/03/2019 07:02

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Pog has gone from the Legion of Doom to the King of Hypocrisy.

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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 07:10

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“Pog has gone from the Legion of Doom to the King of Hypocrisy.“

As I’ve said all season, find me one post where I wanted Aitor Karanka, Gareth Southgate, Tony Mowbray or Garry Monk sacked because of their style of play. Because even when we were in contention for the automatic places this season that’s what some fans wanted with Tony Pulis.

My main criticisms of Karanka’s negativity were when we were posting some of the worst attacking stats in English football and were brining forwards on to chase the game with 2 minutes to go.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 14/03/2019 08:08

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It's not just about wanting him sacked though Pog. You criticised Karanka for the exact things you now defend Pulis for. You're apparently blind to it but you're a complete hypocrite when it comes to Pulis. It's just a fact.
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laughingboroboy Posted on 14/03/2019 08:15

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Pog - spot on with the OP mate, been saying it all season [^]

Our fans will get the manager/"style"/club they crave so much I'm sure next season when TP leaves.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 08:17

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What like you attack Pulis for wasting money yet defended Karanka when we spent £15m on Bamford, Guediuora and Gestede (who is one of the worst players I’ve ever seen in a Boro shirt) on his watch.

That’s outright hypocrisy.

The difference however is I’ve consistently blamed the recruitment team for the terrible signings, going back to that Premier League summer when you accused me of being demanding and ungrateful to that January window when you claimed those players improved our squad to this very moment.

I’ve been incredibly consistent under three managers now, the recruitment team must go.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 14/03/2019 08:27

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Whataboutery. Based on stuff that isn't true. But I understand why because there really is no answer. I suspect deep down you know how hypocritical you're being.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 08:58

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So after a post about the club at this moment in time you post whataboutery about another manager, then accuse me of whataboutery. Classic[:D]

Oh and you did say that. You’re argument was that people were complaining we have no Plan B under Karanka and we now had a Plan B with Gestede.

You saw the logic, it added up. He was a better fit for the Negredo role. People just had pre-determined views on him.

He was and still is an absolute donkey.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 14/03/2019 09:06

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No. You asked a specific question about previous managers that I answered. You then started with your inaccurate whataboutery built on mistruths. I understand why you want to put as much mud in the water as possible but it doesn't change the very simple truth: you're a hypocrite. Everyone can see it but you. Well, actually, you can see it. That much is obvious.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 09:11

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“You then started with your inaccurate whataboutery built on mistruths.”

So just to clarify you never said anything like that about Gestede to defend his signing?
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borobadge Posted on 14/03/2019 09:20

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i'm content.


with a smirk!.
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Marvanelli Posted on 14/03/2019 09:21

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POG deflecting as usual.

The sheer hypocrisy shown by POG is astounding.

Pulis has not improved us, he's spent money on absolute tripe, he's playing some of the worst football I have ever seen us play. Yet still POG somehow tried to defend this bloke.
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GibbosArmy Posted on 14/03/2019 09:21

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I enjoyed last night.

Ref ruined the blame. Cannot blame Pulis for that.
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bear66 Posted on 14/03/2019 09:22

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"What like you attack Pulis for wasting money yet defended Karanka when we spent £15m on Bamford, Guediuora and Gestede"

Bamford worth £30m alone and the other two -£10m so good value.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 09:23

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“POG deflecting as usual.

The sheer hypocrisy shown by POG is astounding.”

Deflecting by pointing out the hypocrisy of those accusing you of hypocrisy? Ok.

“Pulis has not improved us, he's spent money on absolute tripe, he's playing some of the worst football I have ever seen us play. Yet still POG somehow tried to defend this bloke.”

He literally has improved us, look at the table when he was appointed and look at it now.

I wouldn’t expect you to understand though, you said the same even when we were challenging for the automatic promotion.
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Marvanelli Posted on 14/03/2019 09:28

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He's improved us?

We were a couple of points outside the play offs when he took over well over a year ago.

Since then he has spent £25m+ on rubbish, has us playing some of the worst football we've witnessed in a long time and we are literally a couple of points in the play offs.

If we lose on Saturday - which is a strong possibility and we lose our game in hand against Bristol then we are no further forward....in fact we are worse off. A lot worse off.

But don't let that fool you.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 09:30

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“He's improved us?

We were a couple of points outside the play offs when he took over well over a year ago.”

and now we’re in them. Thank you for answering your own question.

I hope that was an enlightening experience for you.
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Marvanelli Posted on 14/03/2019 09:36

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'Last 14 home games.

Wins versus 18th, 21st and 24th in the league.

Is that acceptable PAMH? Are you happy with that?'

I hope you've not held your breath Free_Subbuteo_171
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wombledon Posted on 14/03/2019 09:38

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I think this thread highlights half the problem with the club at the minute.

When the fans finally see a hint of attacking football they're happy with it, when in reality the team should still be performing a lot better.

It's awful to watch. We're a club going rapidly backwards. We're so predictable on the pitch and the atmosphere at the ground has disappeared along with a few thousand fans.

It's only going to get worse. Until Pulis has gone and Gibson finally brings in people behind the scenes who know what they're doing, we'll be in the Championship for a good while longer.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 09:41

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No it’s good enough.

But equally we’re still on course to finish where the overwhelming majority of our fans would have been happy with us finishing.

So while it needs to improve, it’s not a sackable offence.

We’ve created a shed load of chances over the last 5 games and failed to convert them to get more points. What difference is having Woodgate in the dugout going to make to our goal conversion rate?
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Marvanelli Posted on 14/03/2019 09:45

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'It's awful to watch. We're a club going rapidly backwards. We're so predictable on the pitch and the atmosphere at the ground has disappeared along with a few thousand fans.

It's only going to get worse. Until Pulis has gone and Gibson finally brings in people behind the scenes who know what they're doing, we'll be in the Championship for a good while longer.'

I think most fans agree with this. There's unfortunately a small minority who genuinely think Pulis is doing a good job. God knows how.
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ska66 Posted on 14/03/2019 10:39

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We have created enough chances in the last three games to have won all three comfortably. But we don't have the players with the necessary skills to put the ball in the net. Tactics wont change that. the players acquired are simply not good enough. Goals from midfield is particularly a problem. what has our highest scorer from midfield got...3?
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Betamaxman Posted on 14/03/2019 10:43

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"We have created enough chances in the last three games to have won all three comfortably. But we don't have the players with the necessary skills to put the ball in the net. Tactics wont change that. the players acquired are simply not good enough. Goals from midfield is particularly a problem. what has our highest scorer from midfield got...3?
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100% this.

I get the fact that people hate Pulis, but he can't put the ball in the back of the net. We could and should have won the last three games with the chances that we've created. The players missing those chances should be taking some stick, not JUST Pulis - although I understand people venting at him too.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 14/03/2019 10:44

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Yes you’re deflecting Pog. Yes you’re being hypocritical. It’s so obvious it’s blinding.

And now you’re arguing that a few points is evidence that we are better off and have improved. You’re pointing to the fact that we are still in the play offs.

I wonder what your response was to those of us that pointed to us still being outside the bottom 3 during the PL season......
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 10:46

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Was that a Yes or No, Adi?

You’re ducking and diving.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 10:49

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What ska66 and Betamaxman said[^]

Many of our fans claimed the answer was simple, play Assombalonga with another striker, attack teams and we’ll win games.

Well the five games we’ve just had have showed that to not be the case (who’d have thought it). But there has been a familiar theme.

Blackburn 1-0 - won and dominated the game, missed loads of chances

QPR 2-0 - won comfortably missed loads of chances

Wigan 0-0 - Assomablonga missed an absolute sitter

Brentford 1-2 - Fletcher misses big chance to kill game

Preston 1-2 - hit the post twice in opening 10 minutes, missed loads of chances to kill the game.

The players are clearly still playing for the manager but just aren’t converting clear chances, which they haven’t all season.

What difference would Woodgate make? Is he going to make those chances suddenly go in? I really, really can’t see it.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 14/03/2019 10:51
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I have no idea Pog. I’m sure I could have said he’d give us a plan B. I’m equally sure it didn’t take too long to label him XXXXXXe, which he clearly is. But like I said, it’s whataboutery designed to muddy the water. I understand though. Must be hard to be that hypocritical with a straight face.

Oh and you’re really scraping the barrel arguing that we create all these chances but don’t take them. Brentford particularly laughable. We had one good chance other than the goal. Brentford had half a dozen.

Pure hypocrisy.
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Marvanelli Posted on 14/03/2019 10:52

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Those last 5 games have nothing to do with Pulis do they.

The subs he made against Wigan and Brentford made not one bit of difference to the result did they?

The sheer defence of Pulis is absolutely astounding.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 10:57

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“I have no idea Pog. I’m sure I could have said he’d give us a plan B. I’m equally sure it didn’t take too long to label him XXXXXXe, which he clearly is. But like I said, it’s whataboutery designed to muddy the water. I understand though. Must be hard to be that hypocritical with a straight face.”

Hang on a second. You claimed they were mistruths, now all of a sudden you don’t know if you said those things?

Why the sudden u-turn? Been googling by any chance?
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 10:58

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“Those last 5 games have nothing to do with Pulis do they.”

Ha ha of course not.

Anything good - Not Pulis
Anything bad - Pulis

We get it you don’t like him.
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GibbosArmy Posted on 14/03/2019 10:59

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Adi caught red handed[:D][:D][:D]
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Marvanelli Posted on 14/03/2019 11:08

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'Anything good - Not Pulis
Anything bad - Pulis

We get it you don’t like him.'

If Boro win it's because of Pulis
If Boro don't win it's because our strikers have missed chances.

We get it, you don't blame Pulis for anything.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 14/03/2019 11:08

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No Pog, I'm afraid you're wrong again and it is transparent what you're doing. So much for playing the ball rather than the man.

"yet defended Karanka when we spent £15m on Bamford, Guediuora and Gestede (who is one of the worst players I’ve ever seen in a Boro shirt) on his watch."

This is what I said was a mistruth, not whether Gestede might be a plan B. And it is a mistruth.

I do understand the need to try and point elsewhere, to mock and try and embarrass and belittle a fellow poster whilst simultaneously failing to address the points be raised. But could you maybe try?
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Pottomed Posted on 14/03/2019 11:22

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You need to get a life pog
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festa5 Posted on 14/03/2019 11:29

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I don't understand the point Pog is trying to make in the OP.

Starts off sounding like he's having a go at people because Pulis is picking a more attacking team but we got beat.

But then goes on to make out it was a good performance and it was individual errors that cost us, not the way we set up.

We were desperately unlucky last night. Last night is not really the problem. People have wanted us to pick a more attacking team all season. If we had we'd almost certainly have a better home record and be better off in the league.

That's the issue people have. It's too little too late.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 12:39

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“No Pog, I'm afraid you're wrong again and it is transparent what you're doing. So much for playing the ball rather than the man.

"yet defended Karanka when we spent £15m on Bamford, Guediuora and Gestede (who is one of the worst players I’ve ever seen in a Boro shirt) on his watch."

This is what I said was a mistruth, not whether Gestede might be a plan B. And it is a mistruth.”

No Adi you played the man again by continuing to play the hypocrite card again with no substance despite being a massive hypocrite yourself.

You slaughter Pulis for the likes of Saville, Flint and McNair coming in on his watch yet you defended Karanka bringing Rudy Gestede into a Premier League squad, you thought it made sense.

Now you’ve realised you did say it you’re trying to wriggle off the hook.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 12:41

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“We get it, you don't blame Pulis for anything.”

No I’m just not as thick as you.

It is possible he’s done good and bad things as oppose to all good and all bad.
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Marvanelli Posted on 14/03/2019 12:41

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[:D] and here come the insults!
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wartle Posted on 14/03/2019 12:43

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"You slaughter Pulis for the likes of Saville, Flint and McNair coming in on his watch yet you defended Karanka bringing Rudy Gestede into a Premier League squad, you thought it made sense."

Highlights a key issue within the club - we are total garbage at transfers but fantastic at spunnking money on XXXXXXe,
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 12:44

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It’s hard not to question the intelligence of someone who thinks every opinion must be binary.

Requires less effort to think.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 12:45

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“Highlights a key issue within the club - we are total garbage at transfers but fantastic at spunnking money on XXXXXXe,”

Absolutely, and this won’t change until the people behind the scenes change.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 14/03/2019 12:58

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Yet more obfuscation Pog. So transparent and so sad. Insulting people, false whataboutery, dredging up old issues (out of context and incorrectly) yet cannot respond to the only thing you're being asked to address.
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Indeedido Posted on 14/03/2019 13:13

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Let's assume Karanka desperately wanted Gestede, and Guadioura.
Let's then assume we get as much for Gestede as we got for Guadioura when he eventually leaves.

Karnanka signed 27 new players on contracts in his time here.
Only 3 of them are still here (Clayton, Downing and Gestede).
The club have made a nett profit of £3m on the other 24 players.

Since then Monk spent £56m on 10 new players (inc Wing). He is currently £52m down following the sales of Christie and Miller.

pulis has spunked over £21m on 3 permanent signings.

Does anybody really believe that the club will do anything else but make a huge loss on Monk and pulis's dealings?
Or that Monk and pulis would have had anything to spend at all if it hadn't been for Karnaka winning promotion and the parachute payments?

Mowbray lost a nett £3m on the 21 players he brought to the club on contracts.
Strachan lost a nett £11m on the 16 new players he gave contracts to.
Southgate lost a nett £25m on the 16 he brought in.
McLaren lost a nett £59m on his 28 signings.
Robson lost a nett £52m on his 43 signings.

So, the only manager in the last 26 years who's signings have made the club an overall profit, is Aitor Karanka, even if you believe he actually wanted some of them.

It's probably too late for Karanka to come back, but let's be clear that Karanka;
1. Transformed the club.
2. Built a real bridge between club and supporters again.
3. Got the club to Wembley and promotion.
4. Made a profit on the players that were signed in his time.
5. Provided the parachute payments that have allowed the club to make so many pathetic signings.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 13:15

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“Yet more obfuscation Pog. So transparent and so sad. Insulting people, false whataboutery, dredging up old issues (out of context and incorrectly)

You accuse me of being a hypocrite by dredging up old issues without any sustance, I then point out your own hypocrisy with actual substance and I’m accused of dredging up old issues and whataboutery.

Ok[:D]

“yet cannot respond to the only thing you're being asked to address.”

Which is?
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Adi_Dem Posted on 14/03/2019 13:21

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Your own hypocrisy. It's really simple, despite all of the squirming yu're doing.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 13:35

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The problem there indeedo is I don’t hold any of those managers ultimately responsible for signings.

They have the final say, but if that manager wants to sign a 29 year old who he thinks will do him a good job for him right now and the club say he’s too old, too expensive or would command wages that are too high but here’s a short-list of players you can sign, the manager isn’t really getting the players he wants.

Karanka didn’t want Downing, that’s very clear. Rhodes wasn’t his first pick, he wanted McCormack but the club wouldn’t sanction it.

Just as Southgate wanted Beattie but got Alves.

Pulis had a short-list of players and got different players within the club’s new wage structure.

It’s also worth pointing out Mowbray cleaned the decks for Karanka to assemble his own squad, whether you like it or not Pulis has inherited over priced, over paid dross that the club simply cannot shift.

There is a constant throughout the last 3 managers. Karanka, Monk and Pulis’ reigns were all undermined with awful player recruitment.

So we’ve changed the manager three times and we’re still wasting big sums of money on players. Why are Gary Gill and the others still employed?
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GibbosArmy Posted on 14/03/2019 13:39

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Adi crying about others hypocrisy whilst it has emerged he backed the signing of the player he has ridiculed for 2 years and attacked Pulis for selecting[:D][^]
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Adi_Dem Posted on 14/03/2019 13:49

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I've ridiculed Gestede since pretty much the first time I saw him play for us GA. I've been ridiculing you for even longer. You do make it so easy though.
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Indeedido Posted on 14/03/2019 13:57

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The player recruitment wasn't awful under Karanka overall, just disappointing in the last window. The truth is the club didn't spend enough under Karanka after promotion and didn't recruit enough quality to survive.
They then spent a lot under Monk, but poorly and a lot under pulis, horrendously.

pulis came in under the fanfare of looking at the whole club from top to bottom. Judging by selling Bamford; buying McNair, Flint and Saville; loaning besic and Hugill and there being no change to the recruitment team; I'm not sure exactly what pulis has been looking at.
He's clueless.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 14:02
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Funny how when he’s signed as a Premier League player under Karanka he was a good fit for the Negredo role. You saw the logic, those who criticised the signing (those of us who’d seen him and knew he was useless) were much like those who criticised our summer business that year, “ungrateful” in your opinion.

Different manager comes in and selects him “he’s just not a footballer, little to no technical ability”.

So who shouted him and why did Karanka allow him to come to the football club?
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Indeedido Posted on 14/03/2019 14:14

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I think Adi has clarified his position on Gestede a number of times, that you don't seem willing or able to acknowledge pog?

Gestede was and is a disastrous signing. It was mystifying at the time and is increasingly annoying as he sits just in front of us in the Riverside restaurant section of the west stand upper.
The point is, even if the signing was exactly what Karanka wanted, it should not detract from the facts I outlined above about Karanka's reign versus Monk and pulis.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 14/03/2019 14:23
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I'm really not sure what you're trying to prove here Pog. You raise Gestede every time I point out your own hypocrisy as if it is some smoking gun. It's a really telling approach to the whole discussion, simply designed to muddy the waters.

I presume what I said was that I could see the logic of bringing in a striker like that as a plan B the lack of which Karanka was regularly criticised for. I guess I then gave the player a chance before condemning him though I do recall having completely dismissed him as a footballer at the time he missed that sitter against Swansea, which as you know was well before Pulis arrived. I do recall using the term 'carthorse'.

Now you can go on and on about Gestede if you want to but all it serves to do is highlight how unwilling you are to address your own hypocrisy.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 15:24

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Well you also claimed that anyone against his signing was ungrateful, much like anyone who didn’t like the summer recruitment under Karanka was ungrateful. Yet you were more than happy to trash most of the players signed under Tony Pulis before they’d had a chance such as George Saville. Smells like hypocrisy to me.

I never wanted Karanka sacked for my perception of his brand of football, I don’t want Pulis sacked for my perception of his brand of football. No hypocrisy there.

I’ve never said people can’t be critical of Pulis, that would be insane and there wouldn’t be a point in this board. What I have objected to is people making stuff up like “we can’t sign players because of him, “he’s refusing to spend Gibson’s money, he loves Gestede he’s first choice, he played Bamford upfront as had no choice” or your whopper of “he’s spent £30m plus loans” . No hypocrisy there.

I’ve never said Pulis would get us promoted, my aim was always to finish in the play-offs. So why would I want someone sacked for meeting targets. No hypocrisy there.

I’ve blamed the awful recruitment team for 3 seasons while people like you defended them and called us “ungrateful”. I continue to blame the recruitment team under Pulis. No hypocrisy there.

I’m struggling to find this hypocrisy Adi.
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JLinardi Posted on 14/03/2019 15:43

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Time after time under Karanka you made comments about our shots on target and how poor we were going forward.

Pulis has had more than his fair share of ‘1 shot on target’ games and you come on afterwards singing his praises.

It’s pretty funny seeing you defend pulis so strongly against the same things you couldn’t wait to get on Karankas back about.

Multiple people have mentioned this during the season but you still won’t admit it.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 14/03/2019 15:54
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You seem to remember a lot of what I posted a few years ago. I honestly don’t remember ever saying people were ungrateful when we signed Gestede. That doesn’t sound right to me but I’d need to see the context. If it’s in your diary please let me know. It’s still not hypocritical even if I did though no matter how much you want it to be.

You’ve gone on to build several straw men without addressing the actual stuff you’re being hypocritical about. Everyone can see it but you (though I think you can see it hence the repeated nonsense about that time we signed Gestede a couple of years ago).

I’ll give you a clue: you absolutely slated Karanka on a weekly basis for negative tactics, defensive performances, lack of shots on target, lack of goals, rigidity of formation, style of football, poor substitutions and poor recruitment. That was your prerogative. Some of it was subjective, some based on stats. Those of us that disagreed with you though also had a trump card: Karanka’s results were spectacular in the Champo and he won promotion.

The problem and the hypocrisy is really simple. Pulis’ stats are worse, his results are worse and his brand of football is worse by reference to the same stats you berated Karanka for. His substitutions are generally poor too.m. Yet you don’t criticise those things because you nailed your colours to the Pulis mast very early on.

Even now you cling to us still being in the play offs despite the trend being that we are on a downward spiral. You had the opposite view when posters pointed to us never having been in the relegation positions during the PL season.

That’s the hypocrisy. We can all see it and we have all pointed it out to you. Your response each and every time is to talk about whether I thought Gestede might have been a good plan B two years ago.
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Marvanelli Posted on 14/03/2019 16:45

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Game, set and match!
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Indeedido Posted on 14/03/2019 17:12

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In fact Marv, the net has been lowered, the umpire's chair removed and the court closed.[:D]
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BoroPhil Posted on 14/03/2019 17:18

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this is genuinely funny as Pog and Adi have basically taken the exact opposite positions they took under AK.

Pog does have a point though. People bleat on about wanting entertainment or 'having a go' but really they want the moon on a stick - amazing free-flowing football and winning every game. nothing else will do or we'll get really angry and stomp our feet.
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parmoboy Posted on 14/03/2019 17:43

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We played well 1st half last night. We started the 2nd half better than we did on Saturday, but again missed chances cost us, as well as a sending off which wasn't a sending off in my opinion.

I blamed Pulis solely for the defeat on Saturday. I can't solely blame him for the deafeat last night, but another factor which led to the defeat was his substitution. He once again made the mistake of bringing on a defender for a striker, and it was a bad move.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 14/03/2019 17:45

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That’s simply not true Phil. Nobody expects that at all. And it isn’t really the opposite stance because that suggests Pulis and Karanka are the same. They aren’t. I enjoyed Karanka’s football and results. I enjoy neither under Pulis.
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BoroPhil Posted on 14/03/2019 18:22

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Some do Adi. some will never be satisfied, everything the club or TP do is always wrong and anything good is either lucky or he's been forced into it or some other justification.

No, they aren't the same. But I think Pog never gave AK any credit and now defends TP to the hilt. and vice versa for you.

fwiw, I enjoyed AK's football and results. TP - to a degree on the results but there is no doubt we should be doing better than we are. I'm not sure a lot of that is TP's fault though, he has a big squad he doesn't want a lot of, and too many have been underperforming.

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Adi_Dem Posted on 14/03/2019 18:30

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That’s not accurate either. I actually was fully behind Pulis from the beginning and defended him. The play off semis and summer blotted his copybook and it’s got steadily worse the more time he’s had.
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Indeedido Posted on 14/03/2019 18:32

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Phil - what exactly are you enjoying about the results at home in the last 6 months?
Nobody can be enjoying the performances, they are diabolical.

Karanka' football was better than pulis in the Championship, though that is obviously subjective.
His results were significantly better - that is fact.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 18:34

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“You seem to remember a lot of what I posted a few years ago. I honestly don’t remember ever saying people were ungrateful when we signed Gestede. That doesn’t sound right to me but I’d need to see the context. If it’s in your diary please let me know. It’s still not hypocritical even if I did though no matter how much you want it to be.”

Haha having seen your reaction to Hugill and Saville it Tony Pulis signed a player who was “just not a footballer, little to no technical ability” for £6m you’d be all over it wanting him sacked for that alone. The fact is under Karanka you defended it, to the point where you attacked others who’d already watched Gestede and knew what anyone with an ounce of football knowledge knew - the bloke was a useless carthorse.

“you absolutely slated Karanka on a weekly basis for negative tactics, defensive performances, lack of shots on target, lack of goals, rigidity of formation, style of football, poor substitutions and poor recruitment. That was your prerogative. Some of it was subjective, some based on stats. Those of us that disagreed with you though also had a trump card: Karanka’s results were spectacular in the Champo and he won promotion.”

I was for his appointment, I really enjoyed his first full season. We played some good stuff at times. My argument in the Championship was always why did he spend £30m on attackers to play even more defensive. Fortunately he got Rhodes and Ramirez in January and Gibson gambled to get over the line.

In the Premier League it was joyless, soulless, anti-football with zero hope of achieving our aim and the stats backed that up.

Goals - 27 (20th)
Goal Attempts - 351 (20th)
Shots on Target - 96 (20th)
Shots in the box - 201 (20th)
Minutes per chance - 10.3 (20th)
Attempts from set plays - 94 (20th)
Hit the woodwork - 2 (19th)

“The problem and the hypocrisy is really simple. Pulis’ stats are worse, his results are worse and his brand of football is worse by reference to the same stats you berated Karanka for. His substitutions are generally poor too. Yet you don’t criticise those things because you nailed your colours to the Pulis mast very early on.”

At one point you claimed Pulis had scraped into the play-offs, depsite finishing 3 points inside and being furious everytime it was suggested Karanka scraped promotion on goal difference. To be fair when challenged you later retracted that but it’s again another example of your hypocrisy.

I have no real love for Pulis, like I said after Boxing Day if he gets sacked at least it would have shown all the myths to be a load of rubbish.

If he doesn’t get us through the play-offs, then obviously he needs to go and the end of his contract would seem to me like a sensible time to do just that.

But like I said earlier. We’ve created a sackful of chances in the last five games and got 5 goals and 7 points to show for it. What’s Woodgate going to do in the dugout or on the training ground to change that?
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Indeedido Posted on 14/03/2019 18:42

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pulis does indeed have a big and expensive squad. Nobody has signed more of them than him.
Savile, McNair, Flint, besic, Lonergan, Hugill, Van la Parra, Mikkel. (Plus McQueen).
Great choices there I'm sure we can all agree...
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 18:44

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“Some do Adi. some will never be satisfied, everything the club or TP do is always wrong and anything good is either lucky or he's been forced into it or some other justification.”

That’s exactly right.

“He was forced to play Bamford upfront” despite the £15m striker the fans wanted to play sat on the bench.

“He stumbled across the attacking formula at Blackburn, we all saw it months ago” despite that forumula containing 5CMs which the fans had previously HATED.

“He hasn’t improved us whatsoever” despite it being an undeniable fact we’re higher in the league.

“Nobody wants to play for him” he goes round the house of a guy who’s won everything in English football and persuades him to come here.

Last night was incredibly frustrating but after many fans saying for months “we just want to have a go”, “we just want to attack teams and see some chances”, “we want to be positive” those players should have been applauded off the pitch last night, they lost because one idiot let them down. Those on the pitch gave their all and produced a good performance.

They got loudly booed yet again. Which demonstrates the “we just want to have a go” brigade were total liars.
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BoroPhil Posted on 14/03/2019 19:03

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"Phil - what exactly are you enjoying about the results at home in the last 6 months?"

not a lot, but I did say 'results' not 'home results'. If things had gone a bit differently recently, we'd be in the mix with the top 3.

should have beaten Leeds
should have got more from Sheff United
should have beaten Wigan
should have beaten Brentford, Preston

and when I say 'should' I mean the players wasted chances or made stupid mistakes. I don't see why that's TP's fault.

even the Friend/Britt substitution - straight after it Friend wins a free kick on the left after a good run. from the fk, Ayala should score. minutes later he scores in his own net. TP's fault?

fine margins as one of our old managers used to say.

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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 20:25

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Adi_Dem on the signing of Rudy Gestede

“Have to say I am too (looking to see how he does). It's a strange one. We are 4 days into the transfer window and we've signed a new £6m striker for which the club is getting a lot of criticism. I find that very odd in the same way that I thought the reaction to our summer activity was very odd. And ungrateful.

“As is often the case on here, it seems that we fans know better. We know better than the manager what formation to pick, when and which substitutions to make and which players we ought to be signing and for how much.

I prefer to see how this goes. He is now, at least, a genuine replacement for Negredo if he gets injured. I don't agree at all with the lack of chances that Rhodes has got but there you go, we have to move on.

More than prepared to give this lad a fair crack of the whip. Good in the air, strong and very early in the transfer window again. I'm sure that isn't the end of our business either.”

Link: Gestede
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Indeedido Posted on 14/03/2019 21:13

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Phil[:D]
"If", "should have".
Utter nonsense.
Has pulis got nothing wrong then?
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Adi_Dem Posted on 14/03/2019 22:22

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So I set it out for you Janet and John style and that’s the best response you can muster? Failing to address the points actually made and quoting a post (having obviously spent time searching for it) that having read back appears perfectly reasonable to me given is never seen Gestede play. Wow. I’m a bit embarrassed for you.

So disingenuous. As has been noted above - game, set and match.
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BoroPhil Posted on 14/03/2019 22:25

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"Has pulis got nothing wrong then?"

dido [:D]

of course. no one is perfect.
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PRIORYMAN Posted on 14/03/2019 22:30

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"What fight till the end, their heads dropped as soon as we went down to 10. Not one bit of fight in any of them. Gutless to a man."

You could apply those comments to the Boro supporters. In the past we would have got behind the team in times of adversity like going down to 10 men ... but not last night.
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Indeedido Posted on 14/03/2019 22:44

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I agree Prioryman, but is that not indicative of the state of things?
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