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Adi_Dem Posted on 13/03/2019 21:11
That looks a disgraceful decision
 
 
From where I’m sat that wasn’t close to being a foul let alone a red.

Any replays anyone?
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wartle Posted on 13/03/2019 21:13

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Same thoughts here. Just shocked. Preston didn't even look like they were appealing it
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Adi_Dem Posted on 13/03/2019 21:13

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Referee - Keith Stroud!
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nzedred Posted on 13/03/2019 21:14

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Got the ball but both feet off the ground. Five years ago but even a foul but just can't do that now.
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red76 Posted on 13/03/2019 21:15

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Why give the ref a decision to make, in today's game im afriad deemed reckless and out of control. When will he learn.
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nzedred Posted on 13/03/2019 21:15

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Got the ball but both feet off the ground. Five years ago but even a foul but just can't do that now.
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red76 Posted on 13/03/2019 21:16

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
And just winning the is no longer acceptable
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UpTheBoro70 Posted on 13/03/2019 21:16

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Guy on Gillette soccer saying speed he came in was dangerous. He clearly won the ball for me though
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UpTheBoro70 Posted on 13/03/2019 21:16
Edited On: 13/03/2019 21:18
That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Double post
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Boro_Boro_Boro Posted on 13/03/2019 21:17

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Sorry but if your the last man and you throw yourself into a tackle like that then your gonna get done.

Howson wants fcuking shooting he is $hit

I’d love to know what TP half time talk is as it’s clearly not fcuking working
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Clint_Eastwood Posted on 13/03/2019 21:17

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Unfortunately the referee has made a terrible mistake which is likely going to cost us. He should be dropped from championship refereeing for months for that.
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red76 Posted on 13/03/2019 21:20

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Have a read of the rules
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Way_Out_West Posted on 13/03/2019 21:24

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Red all day long.
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Jimmyk78 Posted on 13/03/2019 21:25

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Same referee who disallowed a penalty for Newcastle and was subsequently suspended for a few months. Seems like he still hasn't read up on the rules properly. Shame as we have played quite well.
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red76 Posted on 13/03/2019 21:26

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.
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Paulroddam7 Posted on 13/03/2019 21:26

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Looked a blatant red from where I’m at. You can’t tackle like that.

Missed a blatant penalty for them mind.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 13/03/2019 21:27

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Clear red. Cost us 3 points.

Never play him again.
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Derek_Duvall Posted on 13/03/2019 21:50

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Not even a foul. That ref needs sanctioning. The players didn't even appeal for a free kick!
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paulwilko10 Posted on 13/03/2019 21:56

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
So, never play ayala again because of a red, yet you want pulis to manage us for a season, you're the idiot pog, sorry, troll!
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outmac Posted on 13/03/2019 22:49

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
That challenge by Friend was a stonewall penalty.
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Richyboro Posted on 13/03/2019 22:55

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Fcuking stupid diving in, you have to worry about some of our players' football intelligence sometimes. Always making wrong decisions.
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NYboro Posted on 13/03/2019 22:56

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Friend's was a foul for sure, but outside the box.
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uncle_rico Posted on 13/03/2019 23:00

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Those talking about ‘the rules’, I assume you mean the laws?

It was a penalty, it was stupid and it cost us the game.

What’s more annoying is that we’d played really well up until that point and bringing Fry on for Fletcher gave them the impetus to attack. Stupid by Ayala but also stupid by Pulis. There was no need to change anything, just Shotton and Flint needed to work harder. They had Howson and Friend at full back and Mikel sitting in front of the back 4.
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joseph99 Posted on 13/03/2019 23:08

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
red card. Ref was correct. It is 2019 unfortunately.
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hewielewie Posted on 14/03/2019 09:38
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That looks a disgraceful decision

 
I thought it was the same type of tackle as that on Joe Gomez by Ben Mee
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Chappy112 Posted on 14/03/2019 09:54

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Wasn’t sure when I watched it last night but having watched replays from different angles I can’t complain at all, stupid tackle by a player who seems to be becoming more and more rash by the game.

Poor from Howson but Ayala didn’t need to dive in like that and he should be apologising to his team mates.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 09:55

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Just seen the replay.

As I said last night, correct decision and Ayala is a liability.
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Juan_Sheet Posted on 14/03/2019 10:04

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Amazing different opinions on here.

Not even a foul for me & as for oh he shouldn't have dived in ETC one thing I do know Pulis would have been fuming with Ayala if he hadn't made a challenge as would any manager in the game.

ref got it hopelessly wrong & replays show he couldn't have seen it properly as Howson was blocking his view of it.

Yes it was aggressive but I would expect that from any central defender he wins the ball clearly with studs down disgraceful decision
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bear66 Posted on 14/03/2019 10:04

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
First time he's been sent off with a straight red for us in 4 or so seasons and all down to Howson. Randolph the liability for anything high in the box for the second.
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Chappy112 Posted on 14/03/2019 10:07

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
You’ll really go to any lengths to defend Ayala won’t you, bear?
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 10:07

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
But the third time in two seasons he’s been sent off around the 60 minute mark.
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Marvanelli Posted on 14/03/2019 10:08

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
'all down to Howson'

Howson made him jump, 2 footed into the tackle did he?
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bear66 Posted on 14/03/2019 10:08

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Just the facts. First time sent off with a straight red. He was having an excellent game last night and as the commentator on the highlights said "Good covering challenge".
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Ironops Posted on 14/03/2019 10:15

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Ive seen the replay and I dont think it was a foul let alone a red. Alex Neil said it changed the game and wasnt a red either.


Have to say the defending for their second was attrocious though
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Chappy112 Posted on 14/03/2019 10:16

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
What does it matter if it was a straight red or a 2 yellows? Absolutely bizarre defence. The commentator was wrong, watch the replays, he doesn’t win the ball cleanly, he goes diving in with two feet like an idiot, wipes the attacker out who manages to get a little touch on it before Ayala gets there. It ends up hitting Ayala’s backside or somewhere around there, after he’s clattered the Preston player.

Link: Red
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ChrisFinch Posted on 14/03/2019 10:18

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
It was an absolutely fantastic decision unfortunately.
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Dibzzz Posted on 14/03/2019 10:19

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
What's a defender supposed to do? It's in their blood. Just stand there, wave them through and shake their hand after they score?
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Chappy112 Posted on 14/03/2019 10:21

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Soooo just because there’s nothing else he can do that means you can throw reckless tackle in because “what else am I supposed to do?”. How about try and follow him, do something to make the shot more difficult or worst case scenario rely on your keeper?
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bear66 Posted on 14/03/2019 10:32

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
It was a good tackle. The second yellow a few weeks back deserved a yellow, last night it wasn't even a foul.
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hewielewie Posted on 14/03/2019 10:36

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Just looked at that video and never a red. You do know that when you slide tackle your studs have to be up to some degree or else you would break your ankle.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 10:41

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
He goes in with two feet, which is endangering the opponent and therefore serious foul play and a straight red.
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hewielewie Posted on 14/03/2019 10:44

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
He doesn't though. He goes in with his right foot first with his left foot trailing afterwards
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DCI_Gene_Hunt Posted on 14/03/2019 10:53

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Sat in at the North end of the West stand as soon as he dived in thought it was a foul and he was in trouble. Having seen it on TV I've no doubt it was a foul but think a Red is harsh although he does dive in in a way that could be perceived as dangerous.

The problem for me is the ref is so far away and his view is obstructed by 3 Boro players so how can he be certain of what's happened?

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Bororeturn1 Posted on 14/03/2019 10:57

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Red

With all the charlatans & cheats who feign their falls...….. that wasn't.....
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Dribble Posted on 14/03/2019 10:57

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Llanna did a similar thing for Liverpool on Saturday ,yet it was lauded as a great block. Slid in both feet off the ground,blocked the ball which lead to a goal but still out of control according to the laws of the game.Happens all the time ,players throwing themselves in front of shots,clearly out of control but deemed ok .
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DCI_Gene_Hunt Posted on 14/03/2019 11:10

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
"With all the charlatans & cheats who feign their falls...….. that wasn't....."

The scourge of the modern game, players who cheat by falling over every time they feel a bit of contact.

Having said that one of the worst culprits is currently on loan to us, did it twice last night, blatant diving yet the ref gave us 2 free kicks.
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hielo Posted on 14/03/2019 11:19

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
How anyone can say it wasnt even a foul is a joke.

It was a reckless and dangerous challenge. The attacker got to the ball first and Ayala wiped him out.

Ref got it right.
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 14/03/2019 11:21

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Ref got it totally wrong in my opinion.
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Carribeanqueen Posted on 14/03/2019 11:32

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Red all day long well done Keith Stroud
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truthBomb Posted on 14/03/2019 11:34

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
a formidable tackle. unfortunately the game of association football is well lost and hidden in the darkness nowadays

Link: side by side
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 14/03/2019 11:54

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
“If I am Middlesbrough I would be really disappointed. The lad has certainly won the ball”

Alex Neil
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DCI_Gene_Hunt Posted on 14/03/2019 11:59

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Just shows Alex Neil doesn't understand the laws either then doesn't it.

It was a reckless tackle and Ayala wasn't in control therefore a Red card.
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 14/03/2019 12:00

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
He understands them more than you apparently.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 14/03/2019 12:05

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
I still haven't seen this again. Where can I have a look?
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DCI_Gene_Hunt Posted on 14/03/2019 12:05

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
As a football manager you would hope so but not in this instance.

You'd think he'd know the laws of time wasting and misconduct but that didn't stop getting booked for one or the other did it?
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 14/03/2019 12:07

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Because time wasting is totally the same as understanding interpretation of a football law ...not.
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Indeedido Posted on 14/03/2019 12:10

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
It looks harsh to me, especially when the officials were so far away.
We were dropping back anyway - pulis just can't help himself.
They had 6 shots on target to our 4; Johnson missed 2 sitters alone.
We played pretty well first half, missed chances, fell back and predictably lost.

Blaming Howson for the sending off is beyond ridiculous he was easily our best player until that sending off.
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boromike85 Posted on 14/03/2019 12:15

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
There is no defense of Ayala. He went in at the attacker at full speed, missed the ball completely with his leading leg and made contact with the ball half way up his thigh. He also made contact with the attacker.

Even if it wasn't a straight red, it was definitely a free kick because he wasn't in control and it was reckless. In that case he was last man and so was denying a goal scoring opportunity which is also a red card.

The only way it wasn't a red card is if it wasn't a foul but in today's game just making contact with the ball isn't enough to mean it isn't a foul. I think the ref got it right and Ayala is an idiot for diving in like that.

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myfooty Posted on 14/03/2019 12:17

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
For those that haven't seen it yet.

Link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EjQoK1FS0oM
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 12:24

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
“He doesn't though. He goes in with his right foot first with his left foot trailing afterwards“

His right foot leads but then his left comes across and he’s lucky not to scissor the guy’s ankle, that’s a red card.

I thought it was also excessive force, also a red card.
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Dribble Posted on 14/03/2019 12:26

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Watching Boro v Wolves on Sky ,Neves takes out Friend,far worse challenge than Ayala's ,gets a yellow ,his second ofthe game.
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yearbyred Posted on 14/03/2019 12:30

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
The angle from behind the goal - was on the Everything MFC page on twitter page - shows the best angle.

Thought it was harsh when I was at the game but it's definitely a red card when you see it frame by frame.

I'd like to blame the ref but it's all on Ayala.
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 14/03/2019 12:30

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
It’s not that clear cut at all sorry. Just disagree he used “excessive” force. He was defender in that instance doing his job properly.
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Doppelganger Posted on 14/03/2019 12:35

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
It was a Red.
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DCI_Gene_Hunt Posted on 14/03/2019 12:52

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
"Because time wasting is totally the same as understanding interpretation of a football law ...not."

My point was if he is such an expert on the laws why did he choose to contravene two of them and act in an unsporting manner kicking the ball out of Friends hands and thus time wasting?
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 14/03/2019 15:26

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Looks like the ref saw it the same way I did high up the thread.

Serious foul play. Straight red.
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futureboy Posted on 14/03/2019 15:31

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Did the linesman flag?
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FrozenHorse Posted on 14/03/2019 15:45

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Isn't the bottom line that we have to accept that the laws of the game now are not those that we grew up with?

We all automatically refer back to what we remember from our youth: even their manager.

Playing the ball first is no defence when you go in like that. I thought it was pretty clear that Ayala wasn't being sent off because he got the man first: if the ref has thought that, he'd have blown immediately instead of giving himself a few moments to think about the tackle.

I thought the ref got it right; blame the law if you like, but he applied it correctly.

I also hate applauding a player when he's been red carded: in the 80s when I started going fans would boo their own players off for getting a red.

Maybe we're too tied into "our man, right or wrong" and "the ref is wrong until proven right" mentality now?

Anyway, I found the past attitude more sporting.
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changingman Posted on 14/03/2019 15:46

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Red in real time, and red in the replay.
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futureboy Posted on 14/03/2019 15:53
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That looks a disgraceful decision

 
So to sum up, none of the Boro players (who were utterly shocked), none of the Preston players (who obviously couldn't believe their luck), and neither manager (both of whom criticised the decision) know the rules of the game? Is that what's happened here?
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xxlshirts_fit_all Posted on 14/03/2019 16:10

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
A foul all day long, for me as it looks reckless it should be a red also but that is my interpretation...
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SmogOnOuseburn Posted on 14/03/2019 18:42

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Seems a fair summing up to me Futureboy!

Never a red card!
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GusboroughSteve Posted on 15/03/2019 08:42

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Alex Neil and the player that was tackled, believe it was a tackle. Their players didn't appeal. I can't recall their fans appealing. But experts on here say straight red. We have experts saying Downing is a Xxxxx for not tackling and experts saying Ayala is a liability for tackling. The games about finished if that's a red card!
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Johnny_X Posted on 15/03/2019 08:45

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Pretty much all of their players appealed straight away.
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FrozenHorse Posted on 15/03/2019 09:14

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
"Alex Neil and the player that was tackled, believe it was a tackle. Their players didn't appeal. I can't recall their fans appealing. But experts on here say straight red."

This isn't cricket where the bowling team must appeal for a player to be given out.

All that matters is the law and the referee's application of it.

All this business about how surprised everyone was is irrelevant.
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GusboroughSteve Posted on 15/03/2019 09:19

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Yet to see a caught behind given without an appeal.
It is relevant if the games becoming one where you can't tackle.
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JonJon Posted on 15/03/2019 09:24

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
From what I saw it certainly could be construed as a reckless challenge. There wasn't any real need for it either.

It's one of those that "give the referee a decision to make" and can then go either way. Ayala's a good defender, but he is occasionally prone to this kind of thing.
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joseph99 Posted on 15/03/2019 09:24

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
It is about the quality and intelligence of the player.

He did not have to lunge in and look like a hero - he could have stood his ground and still won the ball while upright. I can't imagine someone like Southgate in his playing days diving in like a Sunday morning local league player. If it was 1979 it would be applauded, in 2019 it is a red.
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futureboy Posted on 15/03/2019 10:06

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Players appeal for everything nowadays, in any case. Every single time there's a throw-in or a goal kick, no matter how obvious it is, you'll still see players from both sides raising their hand just in case the ref decides to give it their way. Defenders appeal for offside whenever a goal is scored against them, just in case. A lot of the time the player is well aware that they're in the wrong, so it's basically cheating, but you can't stop it from happening since they all do it routinely throughout every match. So actually I guess it doesn't really matter whether anyone appealed for anything.
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bear66 Posted on 15/03/2019 11:52

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
"he could have stood his ground and still won the ball while upright"

Tap in goal with Randolph on his line if he hadn't made the challenge. The mistake by Howson followed by a pooor attempt at a tackle by Flint forced Ayala to come across from the far side to make a perfectly good tackle.
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Paulroddam7 Posted on 15/03/2019 11:54

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
I can’t believe there are people who think that wasn’t even a foul. Astonishing.
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BoroBen92 Posted on 15/03/2019 15:13

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Overturned.

Said as much.
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Borocelt Posted on 15/03/2019 15:15

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Looks like the powers that be agreed.

He should not have been sent off. It's not dangerous or malicious, and he takes the damned ball cleanly.
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Ambie Posted on 15/03/2019 15:18

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
It wasn't a foul or a red card, appeal now overturned.

It was however the difference between a confidence boosting win and a crushing defeat.

It was a scandalous decision and i'm amazed so many Boro fans agreed with the ref.
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EuropaParmo Posted on 15/03/2019 15:18

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
So now it's been overturned will those saying it was a foul/red card say that's wrong?

Clearly not a foul and it's a disgrace it happened in the first place. 3 points gone that could prove decisive when it's all said and done.
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bear66 Posted on 15/03/2019 15:20

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Good news in some way. Ayala was having an excellent game and would be a big loss.
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AndyD13 Posted on 15/03/2019 15:21

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Obviously wasnt a foul.

"I can’t believe there are people who think that wasn’t even a foul. Astonishing."

Oh dear.
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Tryasize11 Posted on 15/03/2019 15:24

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Is he still a liability?

Ayala is a superb defender at this level, unquestionably one of best in championship.

I don't know where the label came from. I'd rather have Dani there making that sort of challenge than some half hearted stand off and watch the attacker stroll past sort of defender.

Go on Dani lad!
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bear66 Posted on 15/03/2019 15:25

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Keeps up his record with us of never having been sent off for a straight red. Well in principle he hasn't been sent off.
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DCI_Gene_Hunt Posted on 15/03/2019 15:31

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
From the laws/rules

"Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play."

Easy to see why the Ref sent him off and I'd agree with him but fair enough if it's been over turned. Be interested to see what comments were made by the panel to explain why it was over turned.
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Tryasize11 Posted on 15/03/2019 15:31

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Hope Jonny howson apologised for being junk. [:D]
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festa5 Posted on 15/03/2019 15:31

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
"It was a scandalous decision and i'm amazed so many Boro fans agreed with the ref."

Unfortunately a fair number of our fans always seem desperate to think the worst. Any opportunity to stick the boot in. Not sure if they think it makes them look more knowledgeable or what to always give the benefit of the doubt to the ref or the opposition rather than the team they're supposed to support.

See the Traore sending offs last season as another example.
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GazC_MFC Posted on 15/03/2019 15:32

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Just because the red card was overturned doesn’t mean it wasn’t a foul.

Some will struggle to comprehend that
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bear66 Posted on 15/03/2019 15:33

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
It wasn't a foul.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 15/03/2019 15:33

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
“Is he still a liability?”

Yes 100%

I said it before this incident, the successful appeal changes none of that. That was the third time he’d been sent off in 2 seasons around the 60 minute mark, maybe we should get him one of those Balotelli “Why always Me?” shirts.

I thought it was serious foul, the authorities say not. I bow to their superior interpretation on the rules of game.

But as far as Ayala is concerned, for me it’s no coincidence our best defensive and passing display was in the Blackburn game he didn’t play he.

He’s rash, aggressive, throws himself challenges, spends half his time short pulling and grabbing as oppose to actually defending (how he doesn’t give penalties away every other game is a mystery), his distribution is woeful (launching aimless long balls).

I stand by that I hope he’s sold in the summer.
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bear66 Posted on 15/03/2019 15:36

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Never been sent off for a straight red in 5.5 years. I think it's three league double yellows in his career.

Best defender in the league .
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HolgateCorner Posted on 15/03/2019 15:41

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Festa5 is spot on.

We have some of the worst fans in the country.

Even when the red card against our own player is overturned we have posters saying the FA have got it wrong.

You really couldn’t make it up.




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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 15/03/2019 15:43

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
“Never been sent off for a straight red in 5.5 years. I think it's three league double yellows in his career.”

What on earth does that have to do with it, if you’re sent off you’re sent off[:D]

“Best defender in the league .”

I actually laughed out loud[:D]good one. So why have no Premier League clubs came in for the best defender in the league? He’s been here long enough and plenty of our other defenders got bought by other clubs.
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bear66 Posted on 15/03/2019 15:44

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Even his double yellows are rare for a defender (is it three in his career?) and the ones for us followed some woeful midfield mistakes.
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RavsDad Posted on 15/03/2019 15:51
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That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Well, well.

WRONGFUL Dismissal says it all and confirms what the majority thought from 50 yards away. Not even the Preston players appealed, the 'fouled' player thought it was a decent challenge and even Alex Neil said he would have been disgusted if it had happened to them.

Still doesn't give us 3 points back though - perhaps we should attempt to have the game "out of site" before that dodgy decision.
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Boromart Posted on 15/03/2019 15:52

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
I hope that ref gets bumped down the leagues, he wont though. Cost us 3 points we were comfortable before that
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Tryasize11 Posted on 15/03/2019 16:00

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Pig give it a rest

The only laughing is us laughing at you and your pathetic agenda

Ayala is and has been a superb player for us
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newyddion Posted on 15/03/2019 16:04

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
It's not fair on the fans paying good to watch their PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL TEAM and having to see such an amateurish display from the referee. Very very poor [V]
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DCI_Gene_Hunt Posted on 15/03/2019 16:15

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Putting aside the rights and wrongs of the decision several posters have said that no Preston players appealed - clearly they weren't watching as closely as they thought as the clip shows at least 3 of them appealing.

I still think its a sending off but decision over turned so good news for us he's available but reading Pulis' comments today sounds like he might not start tomorrow?

Link: sky video
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bear66 Posted on 15/03/2019 16:18

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
The more I see it, the better the tackle looks. Ayala did amazingly well to cover for the two mistakes.
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paulwilko10 Posted on 15/03/2019 16:19

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Not often i agree with the Troll that is POG, but i agree with this
"But as far as Ayala is concerned, for me it’s no coincidence our best defensive and passing display was in the Blackburn game he didn’t play he.

He’s rash, aggressive, throws himself challenges, spends half his time short pulling and grabbing as oppose to actually defending (how he doesn’t give penalties away every other game is a mystery), his distribution is woeful (launching aimless long balls).

I stand by that I hope he’s sold in the summer."

I will add though that he is our best threat for our dead balls which doesn't say alot really!
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TheyurinatedinVilnius Posted on 15/03/2019 16:25

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
To all the c̶l̶o̶w̶n̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶b̶e̶l̶l̶e̶n̶d̶s̶ football experts who were so sure it was red. Pucker up and eat humble pie.
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bear66 Posted on 15/03/2019 16:26

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Opposition attackers must hate him. Jannson for Leeds is a bit like that as well.
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CrazyL Posted on 15/03/2019 16:30

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
The issue with this is the position of the ref. Watch the video again and see that as the tackle is made he is a good 40 yards behind play - he isn’t even in the picture. The Preston player gets flipped quite high out of the tackle (I’m not suggesting it was his fault, just the nature of the contact) and I’m pretty sure that this influenced the referees decision. If you are about to make a game changing decision then you need to be sure (100% sure as Pulis said) and I think he was too far away from play for this. The decision to overturn is never taken lightly and speaks volumes.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 15/03/2019 16:35
Edited On: 15/03/2019 16:37
That looks a disgraceful decision

 
“Pog give it a rest

The only laughing is us laughing at you and your pathetic agenda

Ayala is and has been a superb player for us”

Ok let’s look at the stats for this “superb player” and “best defender in the league” compared to others. This is just for centre backs in the Championship.

Interceptions per game
1st - Jannsen - 2.7
22nd - Ayala - 1.5

Clearances per game
1st - Beevers - 8
26th - Ayala - 5.7

Shots blocked per game
1st - Hegazi - 1.4
43rd - Ayala - 0.7

Fouls per game
1st - Figuerido - 1.9
2nd - Ayala - 1.7

Yellow cards per game
1st - Basham - 0.4
2nd - Ayala - 0.3

What an incredible coincidence that the only two categories that Ayala comes to the top in are when you filter who has commited the most fouls and gets the most yellow cards.

It’s almost as if he’s rash, aggressive and a liability?
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DCI_Gene_Hunt Posted on 15/03/2019 16:38

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
"The issue with this is the position of the ref. Watch the video again and see that as the tackle is made he is a good 40 yards behind play - he isn’t even in the picture. The Preston player gets flipped quite high out of the tackle (I’m not suggesting it was his fault, just the nature of the contact) and I’m pretty sure that this influenced the referees decision. If you are about to make a game changing decision then you need to be sure (100% sure as Pulis said) and I think he was too far away from play for this. The decision to overturn is never taken lightly and speaks volumes."

Fair reasoned comments CrazyL - pity some other keyboard warriors can't discuss/debate in the same manner.
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GusboroughSteve Posted on 15/03/2019 17:01

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
No facts for tackles then POG. Come on let's see them.
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GusboroughSteve Posted on 15/03/2019 17:03

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
By the way POG. You can now add one on for that superb tackle against Preston.
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sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 15/03/2019 17:49

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Get your head out of OPTAs XXXXXX pog and look up the record for consecutive clean sheets.
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RC92 Posted on 15/03/2019 17:59

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
"What an incredible coincidence that the only two categories that Ayala comes to the top in are when you filter who has commited the most fouls and gets the most yellow cards."
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It isn't that black and white though.

As a defensive unit, we are significantly less open at the back than other teams and is probably dealt with before it gets to Ayala. The fact Ayala is so low down on most of the categories is more likely down to the fact he doesn't need to do those things - backed up by how little we concede.

Being low down on defensive categories is only poor if you're shipping significant amounts of goals, otherwise it's telling us that we are defensively sound.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 15/03/2019 18:17

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
“No facts for tackles then POG. Come on let's see them.”

As you wish

Tackles per game
1st - Jansson - 2.7
13th - Ayala - 1.6

Attempted Tckles
1st - Jansson - 3.4
18th - Ayala - 1.8

Unsuccessful Touches Per Game (bad touches)
1st - Basham - 1.5
8th - Ayala - 0.7

Hilarious that the only things he’s in the top 10 for are fouling, picking up yellow cards and bad touches.

I thought this guy was superb?

Don’t despair too much I’ve found one thing he’s good at.

Shots per Game
1st - Cooper - 1.4
3rd - Ayala - 1.3
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YouAreMyBoro Posted on 15/03/2019 20:29

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
What's the points per game stats? That's what I'd consider most important. That or goals conceded.
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sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 15/03/2019 20:42

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
726 minutes without conceding home and away. a league record.
9 home matches in a row without conceding.

of course this was under a manager who knew how to organise a defence properly, but you don't break records like that without being a decent centre back.
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SmogOnOuseburn Posted on 15/03/2019 20:45

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
Pog,

Would you be ranting about Ayala if he had not been sent off on Wednesday? As he shouldn't have been!

He is far better than Flint (whose absence was the real reason we looked so good at Blackburn) and also better than Fry.

So we would be crazy to sell him.
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Marvanelli Posted on 15/03/2019 21:00

That looks a disgraceful decision

 
'He is far better than Flint (whose absence was the real reason we looked so good at Blackburn) '

Totally agree with that.

Flint worries me
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