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Ironops Posted on 12/02/2019 12:10
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So let me caveat this by saying that single opinion polls, taken in isolation, dont really tell you anything. Even multiple polls taken over a time period tend to be a bit out, although do point towards a trend.

In the last general election YouGov trialed a new polling system called MRP (Multi-level Regression and Post-stratification) - dont ask me how it works, I dont really know.

But what I do know is that i correctly predicted the outcome of the 2017 election and how each individual seat would vote.

It was the only poll that showed a hung parliament - most others were showing a Conservative majority.

They have ran this exercise again, polling 40,000 people and putting all of the data through their model.

It shows both main parties losing percentage but for Labour that is a larger percentage and means losing around 12 seats - mostly to the Libs and SNP, some to the Cons but enough to give them a very slim majority.

This is bad news for Labour. There is obviously no commentary on why its losing support but the fact its mostly to the Libs and SNP would tend to demonstrate its either a disaffection with the leadership or could be related to their Brexit stance.

If you cant beat probably the worst government this country has ever had then you must be doing something fundamentally wrong.

And yes, Im a Labour supporter!

Link: YouGov
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Nosmo-King Posted on 12/02/2019 12:14

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Labours woes can be summed up in 3 words - Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott. These 3 will ensure Labour donít get in Iím afraid
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coluka Posted on 12/02/2019 12:15

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In my humble opinion, it is more to do with Corbyn, Abbott and the like than anything.
Their Brexit stance is unhelpful too, I would also agree. They come across as weak, indecisive and rudderless when we need a strong opposition.
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Ironops Posted on 12/02/2019 12:17

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Col, Nosmo - but that doesnt explain people voting Labour in 2017. Those 3 were well known about and people had already formed opinions of them when they voted for them in 2017.

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TheFair86 Posted on 12/02/2019 12:19

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I think it Corbyn came out in favour of scrapping brexit their popularity would surge, but he won't.
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UpTheBoro70 Posted on 12/02/2019 12:19
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Labour will always struggle now the Scots have gone to the SNP.used to always be Labour.
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Ironops Posted on 12/02/2019 12:21

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TheFair - I agree. Their own polling shows they stand to lose more by backing Brexit than they would gain.
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dragged_up_in_whinneybanks Posted on 12/02/2019 12:25

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The British public will never vote for Corbyn as PM. He and his ex-squeeze, Abbott, are political liabilities and protest vote material at best. McDonnell is better, but not to be trusted. Once the Brexit saga is complete, the tories will oust May and appoint someone like Raab. Whoever it is will win the next election.
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coluka Posted on 12/02/2019 12:26

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I think 2017 had a lot to do with younger voters getting caught up in the now debunked promises for university students, some blairites voting tory previously switching back and the collapse of the lib dems with many of their supporters voting labour. There was a bit of Corbynmania still about too
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Boro_Boro_Boro Posted on 12/02/2019 12:27

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I would take that poll with a very big pitch of salt.

Look at the predicted vote share %... they have UKIP going from 2% to 5%!... Never going to happen.

I can't see the Lib Dem's going up three % either with the current lord of darkness in charge.

and as for Greens doubling from 2% to 4%... Dont make me laugh.

Take the 2% off greens and 2% of the 3% from Lib Dem's and you go back to 39% for labour which is not far from the 41% last time.
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The_same_as_before Posted on 12/02/2019 12:29

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Up the Boro has it on the button.

Corbyn is a short term problem.

The Torys in Scotland are the loud anti another independence referendum it is winning them votes. The Left are splitting their vote between Labour and SNP.
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BobUpndown Posted on 12/02/2019 12:29

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Labour seem at odds - on Brexit - to what the majority of the Labour voting electorate & constituencies they are elected to represent - other than London based Labour..

I've voted Labour more than any other party though I'd not vote for this lot, they are just - Militant - in thin disguise.
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plazmuh Posted on 12/02/2019 12:32

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AAH YOU GOV

Its alwayus nice when the Tory mouthpice speaks

They must know whats ahead..

Im sure they will use another party to try and

unsettle the Labour Vote..

Dimbleby must be dreading the Election broadcast..

Your Media is a joke..

Believe this nonsense at your own peril..

Dont believe me ask a young voter..

Please feel free to have a great day..

Much Love
Plazmuh



Link: xxx
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1finny Posted on 12/02/2019 12:38

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Corbyn wonít be allowed to get in.
Too many influential people have too much to lose.
The media will crucify him him beyond belief.
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Wiseman_Vaughn Posted on 12/02/2019 12:40

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"I think it Corbyn came out in favour of scrapping brexit their popularity would surge, but he won't."

But his credibility would be shot after his decades of anti EU stance.

For me, Labour's problem is the disconnect between "the working class" in the North and the Champagne socialists (for want of a better term) that joined the party in more recent times and the total disconnect between those 2 groups.

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HolgateCorner Posted on 12/02/2019 12:42

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A few things on this thread -

How can a political poll be worrying, democracy is democracy isnít it?

Corbyn pulled off a miracle from nowhere in the polls at the last election, even on the polling day some Tories thought they were going to get a landslide.

35% would vote Tory if they put a donkey up as pm, the south of England see to that.

The working class in the north have ways of derailing them though - Brexit being just the latest example.
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AndyD13 Posted on 12/02/2019 12:49

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"How can a political poll be worrying, democracy is democracy isnít it?"

What a strange question.

I would be extremely worried if democracy indicated that the majority of the population were nazis for example.
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bear66 Posted on 12/02/2019 12:55

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"Their own polling shows they stand to lose more by backing Brexit than they would gain."

There was an analysis done in January where marginal seats where Leave won were going towards Labour. Strong seats where Leave won were going away from Labour but not enough to lose the seats.

I think that's the reason they're comfortable with a "Brexit in name only" policy of a Customs Union as it'll win remainers but not lose much of the leavers.

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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 12/02/2019 12:55

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ďI think 2017 had a lot to do with younger voters getting caught up in the now debunked promises for university studentsĒ

Which specific promises were those?
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Dick59 Posted on 12/02/2019 12:56

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There is no way the Tories will call a General election this year, for a start T May will have to resign, most PM's cling on until the last minute. With Brexit having been dealt with then the Tories will have to try and defend again their complete and utter incompetent policies and blaming Labour will be wearing a bit thin. So I would say it is all to play for.
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keelo Posted on 12/02/2019 13:26

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Corbyn wonít be allowed to get in.
Too many influential people have too much to lose.
The media will crucify him him beyond belief.

And the brainless lemmings will vote for more of this complete fcukwit of a government for more of the same sh ite..... ahh the British electorate....look at the sh ite they swallowed with the debacle were living through at the moment "Brexit"
Fcuk ing idiots deserve all that coming your way .......complete numbskulls
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redwurzel Posted on 12/02/2019 13:30

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Labour has always had working class voters in industrial areas and the more educated middle class supporters mainly in the large cities. Orwell wrote a lot about this in the Road to Wigan Pier in 1937. The labour leadership is a barrier to more older voters (tend to be on here, say over 45s), but ask your self what appeal Teresa May has to the under 45s. I don't even know who is the Liberal leader is it Vince Cable? If we don't have an election till 2021 will the current leaderships be in place considering their age.


In Scotland the SNP look to be losing their appeal - BREXIT has shown them to be complete hypocrites - Political Unions are good unless its with the rest of the United Kingdom. They are doing a poor job running Scotland and their ex leader is locked in a Sex assault/abuse legal case. In Question Time from Motherwell I has never seen such venom from an audience against the SNP representative. To say they will increase their vote against Labour in Scotland seems a long shot to me, I think it will be the opposite.


Some long term trends are going against the Conservatives namely declining rates of home ownership, declining middle class wealth as more wealth move to the top 1% in society, declining share ownership amongst private individuals, disillousionment with capitalism (Amazon & Co not paying any tax), problems with Universal Credit and other benefits leading to a big rise in Food and Baby banks etc, Grenfell Towers which highlighted widening differences in power in society, some also blame the Conservative Party with BREXIT because of DC's decision to hold a referendum.


I can see the Greens picking up votes and to some extent the Liberals (getting some voters back). Tories losing some voters as their older voters die and are not replaced by 40 year old voters as happened in the past. Labour may lose voters to Greens and Liberals, but pick votes from those negatively affected by cuts in Public Spending and benefits. I think Labour may take some Nationalist vote too. I can't see any purpose in UKIP after BREXIT is complete.
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berwick_pils Posted on 12/02/2019 13:32

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"I think it Corbyn came out in favour of scrapping brexit their popularity would surge, but he won't."

His popularity would surge in the party and Islington, but here in the Brexit supporting working class northern Labour heartlands, his popularity would tank.
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bear66 Posted on 12/02/2019 13:35

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As I posted above, it is not so simple as that. Marginals where people voted leave would swing to Labour; strongholds with leave would move awayt from Labour but not enough to lose the seats. The net effect was approximately 20 seats to Labour / from Tories on this one issue. Other issues do apply though.
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Derek_Duvall Posted on 12/02/2019 13:35

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I'm labour through and through but, sadly, I think the Tories will be elected for the foreseeable future. People are affected by what they read in the papers, watch on sky news. A quick glance here and there and they see Corbyn branded as a communist, IRA sympathiser etc etc and they believe it. Murdoch has a lot to answer for.
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deadlyheadly Posted on 12/02/2019 13:38

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Behind Corbyn and McDonnell is Jan Lansbury and momentum..will probably a party split. Too extreme and backed by Islington crowd or radical x students who have never had a proper job..a right old mess.
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keelo Posted on 12/02/2019 13:40
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Same with the orange one over yonder....the powerful want a numbskull in charge..hey Presto!
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Scourge Posted on 12/02/2019 13:42

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Watching May just now I have started to actually think we are heading for a no deal Brexit. The damage this will cause to our economy will be high but it will also destroy our relationship with the EU, so the economic damage will be long term. Anyone who thinks that it will be worth it is a fool. Pensions will be hit, services nonexistent and unemployment will surge. You can always blame Corbyn and the EU of course just as your RW Media will persuade you to but rage and ignorance wonít keep you warm for long as reality bites. Luckily there are lots of easy to access food banks now whilst you wait months for benefits. Own what you voted for ya chunts
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newyddion Posted on 12/02/2019 13:43

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Labours woes can be summed up in 3 words - PLP, MSM and Brexit.


PLP - The Political Labour Party, Blarite right wing MPs out to scupper Corbyn and his HUGE mandate to centre left social democracy.

MSM - The mainstream media, right wing gutter press with vested interests include selling off publically owned assets (The NHS) Recent events have at least shown what a bad state our press is in. Absolutely embarrassing and totally corrupt.

Brexit - massively divisive a political hot potato, you have to be seen to strongly appose the opposition but they have left it in a complete shambles. Brexit under social democracy would be the best thing for this country. Brexit under right wing rule would be catastrophic.
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nick2b Posted on 12/02/2019 13:47

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The most reliable predictor of outcomes is to take the general consensus of views on here, then put your money on the opposite.
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Cleveleyssmoggie Posted on 12/02/2019 13:52

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[:D]
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boro_peter Posted on 12/02/2019 15:08
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The Labour party has 3 main schisms.

1. Old Labour - mostly brexit supporters, who understand the daily lives of the working class, people like John Mann, Dennis Skinner.
2. New labour - remainers, Blairites like Chuka Umunna, who are just stooges for big business and banking interests, out of touch with the daily lives of the working class.
3. Momentum and Communist hobbyists/Bollinger Bolsheviks, these are also mostly remainers, the kind people who hang around the Islington scene discussing the struggle and communist revolution (never realising they'd be the first ones against the wall if it ever happened), examples Polly Toynbee, lappenabianca.

Type 2 belong in the libdems. Type 3 belong in a lunatic asylum.
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DybuksChampion Posted on 12/02/2019 15:28

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So Boro Peter. Whats your thought on where reasonably good income degree educated people with a social conscience should sit? Those who think income tax is too low to do the social good it needs to.

Not a blairite, not a corbynista and definitely not a tory.
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boro_peter Posted on 12/02/2019 15:39

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I honestly don't know. You're outside of the 3 main labour schisms. Maybe your natural home would be the green party.
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jam69 Posted on 12/02/2019 15:49

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aaaannnd heeesss back! Da Na!!!! [:D]
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snitch Posted on 12/02/2019 16:18

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As a resident of Scotland I'd love to see a Labour comeback up here but it's hard to see atm. There is too much bad feeling left over from the indy ref when they were seen to side with Tories. This was why Corbyn refused to share a platform with Tories during EU ref even though they were both campaigning to remain. The party has changed under Corbyn and under normal circumstances I'd expect them to do well up here but it'll take a long time for memories of their betrayal to fade. Leonard seems a better fit politically with Corbyn but he is a complete personality vacuum when it comes to engaging with the public.
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coluka Posted on 12/02/2019 16:32

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ďWhich specific promises were those?Ē

I am not sure why you missed the word debunked out that I clearly used there Pog. I am sure you know what I am referring to anyway, did you just fancy a moment [;)]

The attached explains the confusion felt by many a young student i think.


Link: Debt confusion
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gazzastrip2 Posted on 12/02/2019 16:48

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As has been said Corbyn pulled off a miracle at the last election and then it was noticeable how effective he was as a speaker- particularly against May who was and is totally ineffective as one.

However, to me it seems that Corbyn has lost something of late? He seems to have lost the ability to rabble rouse and put together a good speech that inspires and captures the imagination and confidence of neutrals.

His performances in the house of commons of late have, in my opinion, been very poor. Only today he seemed to just shout a pre drafted speech and then shout some more. He came across to me as weak and inferior to May who just sounds robotic in her own approach.

When you add the lack of talent around JC it does make you wonder if Labour needs to go in a different direction?

Sadly we are bereft of political heavyweights at the moment across all sides and all parties. Hence why Boris and Rees-Mogg, whether you like or agree with them can carry some weight.

I have said it before and will say it again, but Blair would be so far ahead in any polls it is scary. I would even bet that Brown could comfortably win at the moment. I just cant see Corbyn getting over the line and in truth I actually wonder whether he really wants too?
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superstu Posted on 12/02/2019 16:51

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I have a question for boro_peter or anyone else tbh. Do you ever feel a bit ridiculous talking up Momentum so much? They obviously don't belong in a lunatic asylum - it's just a bunch of people sitting around in meetings talking about nationalising the rails/utility companies. If Corbyn ever did win a general election surely you don't actually think anybody would be "against the wall"?

I read comments like yours and it's like if someone was on here insisting that we should be terrified of Sheffield United tomorrow night cause they play like a magical version of 50s Real Madrid crossed with Brazil 1970. Just sounds stupid. So to repeat, do you ever type these things out and then think to yourself what is this ridiculous rubbish I'm spouting? I feel like you must, at least a little.

As an aside, Toynbee certainly isn't a momentum/communist supporter. Move her to your second group of Blairite/New Labour people.
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superstu Posted on 12/02/2019 16:55

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Col, what about you? Don't you feel a bit silly pretending Corbyn 'broke his promise'? You're an intelligent guy, you must know that's nonsense.
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superstu Posted on 12/02/2019 16:58

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Col, even that link you've just posted says this:

"Jeremy Corbyn didnít break his tuition fee promise in the way that the media has laid out over the past few weeks,"

I think this is such a weird thing in politics at the minute. You'd expect politicians to bullsh*t and bend the truth and have media lines that don't really stand up to scrutiny. But these days even supporters seemingly join in with making arguments they know don't stand up. Why?
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snitch Posted on 12/02/2019 17:09

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The Corbyn situation is a tough one. Most of the people that are supporting him do so because they support the left wing policies he brings. He isn't particularly inspiring as a political leader but there isn't anyone else who is backing the policy platform that he is. The Coopers/Benns/Ckukkas etc might be more effective as a leader per se but they would revert Labour policy back to New Labour ideology and lose support because of that. It's not about the leadership of the party it's about its policies. Any party that ran on fairer tax, public ownership and ethical foreign policy (including recognising Palestine) would get same treatment regardless of who was in charge, as it goes against the interests of the very rich.
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BlindBoyGrunt1 Posted on 12/02/2019 17:25

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Coluka, how exactly has Corbyn's tuition fee pledge been debunked? That was (and is) his aim and your link above proves nothing. He never ever promised to cancel existing debt.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 12/02/2019 17:41

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You will be told to back the gravy trainers again and the majority will.
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superstu Posted on 12/02/2019 17:42

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I'd agree with all that snitch. Only thing I'd add is that I think it's a pretty big maybe regarding Cooper, Benn or Umunna being more effective leaders.
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Scourge Posted on 12/02/2019 17:46
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MSM have a lot to answer for. Typical example today from the BBC who luckily happen to be passing by with a camera crew just before someone decides to graffiti a poster of Corbyn criticising his Brexit stance. Just another example of our balanced media!!!
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dorivasmiddlefinger Posted on 12/02/2019 18:05

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This 'Islington crowd' seem to be a powerful bunch [cr]
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Johnny_X Posted on 12/02/2019 18:12

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Looking under the number it seems Labour are losing the majority of support to the Lib Dems and assume that is down the heavily pro remain voters switching. They are also losing maybe a quarter as many voters to the tories and UKIP which i assume are heavily pro brexit voters. Both types of these voters will vote tactically so maybe a little hard to predict a general election result.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 12/02/2019 18:29

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Brexit will be over by the time of the election.
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Gadgee Posted on 12/02/2019 18:31

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Coluka, how exactly has Corbyn's tuition fee pledge been debunked? That was (and is) his aim and your link above proves nothing. He never ever promised to cancel existing debt.

in the same way nobody said they would definitely spend £350m a week on the nhs?
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plazmuh Posted on 12/02/2019 18:40

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Im Voting Labour and no media Smears will change that.

If the Tories are that confident of the Outcome

Put up or STFU..

Brexitt only Highlight how corrupt a Parliament we

are stuck with..

But hey ho if the self serving voters like to vote

in that way that is their right..

Much Love
Plazmuh
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snitch Posted on 12/02/2019 19:01

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The Corbyn/ tuition fees thing was I believe down to him being asked about legacy debt if he cancelled tuition fees for current students once in power. He gave an honest answer that that it wasn't in the 2017 manifesto so he couldn't make policy up on the hoof but it was something he'd like to look at in the future. It was immediately twisted in the press as Corbyn shafting students over fees.
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redwurzel Posted on 12/02/2019 19:27

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Snitch - don't you think the SNP reached a high water mark in 2016? they lost seats and votes in 2017.Scotland always appears to me a lot more left wing than England.


Others - Corbyn is more conventional now - wears dark suits, picks on the weaknesses of others in speeches, keeps quiet when appropriate etc. This will help get mainstream votes, but lose him some former votes who wanted someone different. I still think his modest lifestyle will help him get votes in a world where the perceived elite establishment are increasingly disliked even hated.
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snitch Posted on 12/02/2019 20:16

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The SNP couldn't really improve on 2015 so they could only really fall away in comparison but I don't really see a huge swing away. THere is still too much distrust of Labour unfortunately. Love to be proved wrong though I find a lot of SNP supporters insufferable with their victim narrative. I'd have a lot more sympathy for the indy cause if they were more honest in their arguments.
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globetrotterred Posted on 12/02/2019 21:13

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Anyone who thinks the Islington lot have ever done any hard Labour or understand what a hard days work is are crazy. They are sayers, not doers. Socialism is about what you can do to improve the lot of your fellow man. That lot are just out to get the votes of the latest bleeding heart sob story going round. I will never vote Tory but I despair at the Tory lite Mandelson/
Blair mob and the current leadership. They havenít got a clue.
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bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 12/02/2019 21:45

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Iam a labour man but will not be voting for them in any future elections with corbyn in charge, get David milliband back
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hicktonpen10 Posted on 12/02/2019 22:18

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Corbyn and McDonnell will never lead this country. Don't doubt their passion and belief but to laud Venezuela as an exemplar of socialism really says it all. The country is broke and money is being discarded in the streets as it is worthless. Sadly their spend, spend, spend mantra will bankrupt our country again.
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newyddion Posted on 12/02/2019 22:33

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The problem is:


We should have:

Unionist - Right Wing Anti Europe
Conservatives - Right Wing Pro Europe
Democrats - Centre Anti Europe
Liberals - Centre Pro Europe
Labour - Left Anti Europe
Green - Left Pro Europe


But We Have:


Conservatives - Right Wing Anti Europe, Right Wing Pro Europe
Liberals Democrats- Centre Right Pro Europe
SNP - Centre Pro Europe
Labour - Center Left Anti Europe, Centre Right Pro Europe
Green - Left Pro Europe

The MSM talk about needing new centrist party (basically a thatcher era conservative party/Blair era Labour party) they are saying the split needs to come from the Labour Party.. but the split needs to be the Liberal Democrats to help balance the books.

The tory hard right could do with jumping onto UKIP and making that a viable party (but they won't)

The crazy thing is the most stable party of all of them and the one with the most consistant policies has been the green party but they will get no where near without PR
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Derek_Duvall Posted on 12/02/2019 22:47

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'Bankrupt the country again'?! Why do people peddle this XXXXXX time and time again?

You do know that we have tripled the national debut under the Tories don't you Hickton?
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redwurzel Posted on 13/02/2019 00:12

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I confirm National debt has risen a lot since 2010.

Too many bribes given out such as free TV licences, free bus passes, fuel allowances none of which are means tested. Then the bribes to Northern Ireland for DUP votes. £43 billion on Private pensions, tens of billions on tax reliefs for higher rate tax payers, then subsidies to the EU.
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keelo Posted on 13/02/2019 03:55

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Too many bribes?...bus passes,tv licences,fuel allowances ?

With one of the lowest state pensions in the developed world I certainly don't class any of the above as " bribes"
Britainís workers can look forward to the worst state pension of any major country, according to a report by the developed worldís leading economic thinktank.

The Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) study calculated that a typical British worker will at retirement receive a state pension and other benefits worth around 29% of what they had previously been earning. That compares with an average of 63% in other OECD countries, and more than 80% in Italy and the Netherlands.

The report said this expected ďnet replacement rateĒ will be the lowest of any OECD country.
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superstu Posted on 13/02/2019 07:30

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"Corbyn and McDonnell will never lead this country. Don't doubt their passion and belief but to laud Venezuela as an exemplar of socialism really says it all."

When do Corbyn and McDonnell actually do that though? All I see is hysterical tories shrieking about Venezuela.
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superstu Posted on 13/02/2019 07:35

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"get David milliband back"

[:D] I honestly can't believe people are still banging on about David Miliband. Never heard anyone actually say which of his policies appeal to them, always seems to just be based on him looking smart in a suit. May as well get David Beckham in as leader and rename it to the Dreamy Party for Teenage Girls.
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jam69 Posted on 13/02/2019 07:59

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no one can even remember a single idea of d. Milibands when he ran for leader. nicer on the eye than his brother but not as bright. the problem both parties have is brexit, the country is split on brexit so it's realistic to expect both parties to be split, what we are seeing is both parties trying to keep the votes of brexiters and remainers alike.
it's impossible. I think corbyn knows Labour can't be seen as the party that blocks brexit, but how to keep hold of the remain vote at the same time is the problem.
hopefully the voters will remember who created the mess and vote accordingly.
ad for the debt left by Labour, it's nothing compared to the one the Tories have run up since. iam always amazed how clueless some people are thinking the Tories are good with money when they always borrow more than Labour whilst at the same time runing the services people need into the ground to pay for tax breaks for the top 1%.
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Cleveleyssmoggie Posted on 13/02/2019 08:16

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Why does MSM get such a hard time, when most people under 30 have their noses in their phones 24/7, and are more influenced by social media.

Whilst acknowledging their influence, are FB and Twitter now classified as MSM?
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UKLL1981 Posted on 13/02/2019 08:18
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Itís losing support because it doesnít represent the white working class person any more, that it sticks with inept people like Abbott and that Corbyn canít make his mind up over Brexit but would happily use it to bring the country to its knees if it meant snatching power. Heís a saboteur and a protester, not a leader. If you canít win an election in an era of turmoil and austerity you never will. Labour would walk the next election if it replaced him with someone more moderate who represented the white working class.
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jam69 Posted on 13/02/2019 08:25

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why white? why not just represent all ? so who do you think ticks those boxes? I hear this said yet there's never any names
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keelo Posted on 13/02/2019 08:51

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that it sticks with inept people like Abbott

Ahhh Abbott again....cant you name the fkn numpties on the Tory front bench....shall I start with Chris (I get EVERYTHING wrong ) Grayling... surely the most incompetent of the lot in the house of commons... but I could go on...but it always comes back to Abbott doesn't it ? Thoughts ....
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superstu Posted on 13/02/2019 09:34

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"Itís losing support because it doesnít represent the white working class person any more"

???

Nationalisation, lifelong free education service, government run investment bank, collective bargaining for trade unions, extra bank holidays? Golden age for the white working class, what more do you want?
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superstu Posted on 13/02/2019 09:40

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"Why does MSM get such a hard time, when most people under 30 have their noses in their phones 24/7, and are more influenced by social media.

Whilst acknowledging their influence, are FB and Twitter now classified as MSM?"

The two aren't mutually exclusive. You can check any mainstream news source through a mobile phone. The Sun has over 1m twitter followers, the Daily Mail has over 2m.

You're comparing apples and oranges here. Twitter and Facebook don't produce their own news content they're just vehicles for other organisations to present their news agenda through. What you're saying is like if years ago somebody said "Why does MSM get such a hard time, when most people are watching the news on their telly?".
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jam69 Posted on 13/02/2019 11:54

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spot on Stu, rich tax dodgers will get their fake news out about those who will force them to pay their taxes. snd many will lap it up.
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