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RavsDad Posted on 11/02/2019 08:08
Flint and the myth of our set-piece superiority
 
 
Once again Flint helped debunk the myth that we are (or should be) excellent at scoring from set-pieces. Apart from his goal in the first home game it is difficult to recall another occasion where he has achieved a header on target. Is his forehead actually triangular?

Saturday's pair of misses were particularly awful. The first, his 'trademark' vertically upward header from under the bar, and the second the classic sideways skid under no pressure at all. He's been doing this all season. Given that he also looks uncomfortable in defence when the ball is at his feet he is not the player we thought we were buying. He's certainly boosting our 'Shots off target' stats.
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 11/02/2019 08:10

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Had two good chances Saturday but fluffed them.
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Chappy112 Posted on 11/02/2019 08:14

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I don’t think you can blame him for the first one, he couldn’t get over the ball so there isn’t anything he could do regardless of how far out it was.

The second was pathetic though. For a big man who has scored as many goals as he has I’ve been shocked by his complete lack of aggression in the opposition penalty area. He just seems to stick his head out and hope goes in. There isn’t any conviction or aggression and you think this is Flint’s ball and no one else. We need him to be like Ehiogu used to be from set pieces.
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coluka Posted on 11/02/2019 08:53

Flint and the myth of our set-piece superiority

 
I agree the first miss was more to do with the ball being a fraction high. The second one was just awful.

I actually think we are worse aerially with him than without him. He does not get far off the ground if at all. He is slow and easily turned and as chappy says not very aggressive in the box. He is an average champuonship CB, nothing more, for me.
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Marvanelli Posted on 11/02/2019 09:08

Flint and the myth of our set-piece superiority

 
I expected a lot more from Flint at set pieces when we signed him.

When we did sign him, I knew he was a bog standard CB and I said at the time £7m on this guy at his age was an absolute joke as there is very little resale value (if any).

I was expecting him to have scored more than he has done. Especially when he scored early on in the season against Sheff Utd.

Poor signing for me and very easily replaceable at half the cost.
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 11/02/2019 09:19

Flint and the myth of our set-piece superiority

 
He should get me down to show him how to put the ball in the net[pa]. He has a head like the star of David.
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 11/02/2019 09:21

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I thought he had a decent game on Saturday Marv.
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boromike85 Posted on 11/02/2019 09:38

Flint and the myth of our set-piece superiority

 
Don't know why he has scored so few but Ayala has also scored far fewer than we have come to expect. I don't understand how when Ayala was our only decent target we found him so often but now we have Ayala, Flint and Hugill and can't get any of them to score.
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Marvanelli Posted on 11/02/2019 09:42

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'I thought he had a decent game on Saturday Marv.'

He did have a good game. He kept Bamford in his back pocket. I think there was only 1 occasion in the second half in which Bamford could've scored. Oh and he also squandered a half chance first half when he half volleyed it into the stands. Decent performance from Flint I must say.

Shame he didn't top it off with a goal or two.
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Abel_Tasman Posted on 11/02/2019 09:47

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“Debunked the myth”

Ha. A myth no doubted started by the likes of the OP when Flint scored early in the season.
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sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 11/02/2019 09:48

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The team have scored five goals from set pieces. That's 4th worst in the league.
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Stigmata Posted on 11/02/2019 09:51
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Flint and the myth of our set-piece superiority

 
Just watched Flint's 15 league goals in Bristol Citys 2014/15 promotion season.

Goals were mainly headers which he almost always headed downwards. He even had the odd trick shot included.

Apart from the the fact that it was in League 1 and marking was obviously slacker, perhaps confidence is a vital factor. It's just a matter of time. [8)]
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 11/02/2019 09:52

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If Curtis Fleming is coaching him then it really isn’t surprising he can’t hit barn door with a space hopper



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Chappy112 Posted on 11/02/2019 09:58

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I think he’s been good for us, maybe not worth £7m but he hasn’t been bad or anything. I just expected more from set pieces and he’s dreadful on the ball which really hinders us at times because all he’s capable of is launching it forward.
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Anton_Berg Posted on 11/02/2019 10:10

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As devil's advocate, you could say that he is making contact with balls that others would just let go by. As always, stats hide half the truth.
Having said that, a good defender of average size is always better than an average defender who is big.
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RavsDad Posted on 11/02/2019 10:16

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Abel

I think the Sheriffs post just below yours nails it rather well.
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Paulroddam7 Posted on 11/02/2019 10:20

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Who has ever claimed we are good at scoring from set pieces?!
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BigNige5 Posted on 11/02/2019 10:42

Flint and the myth of our set-piece superiority

 
After Flints first goal I wacked a tenner on him getting 10+ league goals. I'm starting to think that bets dead

It is amazing though how somehow we have taken a manager who at all previous clubs has been a specialist at set piece goals. Ayala who is a regular scoring from set pieces and then we signed Flint who has scored close to 10 goals every season and together it's got worse and I wouldn't even say we are average at corners. We're poor! surely it can't be all down to the delivery?
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BoroBen92 Posted on 11/02/2019 10:46
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Flint and the myth of our set-piece superiority

 
"Who has ever claimed we are good at scoring from set pieces?!"

It was constantly trotted out on Sky almost every time we got a corner or free kick.

I think a big part of it is the poor delivery, Saville's corners were woeful on Saturday.

But even that doesn't explain Flint's newfound inability to head the ball anywhere near approaching the net.
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 11/02/2019 11:01

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As I said it can only be down to the way they’re being coached



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Chappy112 Posted on 11/02/2019 11:02

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Yeah our delivery has been woeful, Pulis praised Leeds' delivery on Saturday, I did wonder if that was a shot to our own players.

Even Wing who had superb delivery against Millwall in the opening game of the season has put in some dreadful crosses from set pieces lately.
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BoroPhil Posted on 11/02/2019 11:41

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biggest disappointment for me this season. too many of our corners and free kicks are just floated in.

I think it was Saville who put in a cracking in swinger at pace which Flint headed over. but then he had a free kick in a great position later on and hit the wall.
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sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 11/02/2019 12:17

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We don't have wide players. They tend to be good at crossing. Traores were good last year.
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glover_elbow Posted on 11/02/2019 12:24

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Ayala has had a terrible dry spell not just flint. To me it must be the delivery thats not up to scratch
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Indeedido Posted on 11/02/2019 12:34

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The delivery has still seen Flint miss sitter after sitter.
The bloke is a spud.
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 11/02/2019 12:50

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The best crosser of a ball at the club is Shotton, by some distance - put one on a plate on Saturday for Flint to miss



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GlosRed Posted on 11/02/2019 13:02

Flint and the myth of our set-piece superiority

 
Webster a far better footballer than Flinty so we're happy with the deal, thank you.
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futureboy Posted on 11/02/2019 13:03

Flint and the myth of our set-piece superiority

 
It's certainly true that commentators trot out the same line every time we get a set piece, regardless of the fact we hardly ever actually score from them.

When Ayala scored vs Newport, the BBC live text commentary said something like "Tony Pulis' Boro have scored from a corner... surprise surprise". I wasn't quite sad enough to write in and correct them.

And by the way, I don't remember which game it was, but that header Batth managed to put straight at the keeper... Jesus wept. I would've scored that and I'm one of the worst footballers in history.
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Indeedido Posted on 11/02/2019 13:04

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I'd be surprised if you weren't a far better footballer than Flint GlosRed; you had our eyes out, he is not worth a quarter what we paid.
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Vena Posted on 11/02/2019 14:31

Flint and the myth of our set-piece superiority

 
I dont want to be negative but...

Set pieces or not, he is a poor footballer,
No better than David Wheater TBH, acually hes probably not on his level.

I'm no big fan of Ayala but the gulf in class between the two is obvious, (And Ayala is below average)

Fry I rate but his performances lately have been sub-par, probably all this full back carry on he's been asked to do.

Maybe I have been spoiled by some of the quality we have had down the years.
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flipside Posted on 11/02/2019 14:36

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"And Ayala is below average"

Not in this league he isn't.
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streetwise Posted on 11/02/2019 14:40

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But Flint has scored lots of goals from set pieces, just not for Boro. It is almost worth promotion if we could get someone decent into the club who could reason why he has lost this skill.
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GlosRed Posted on 11/02/2019 14:56

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crosses whipped in he can attack rather than floated where he is fighting the defender to get off the ground.
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Cant_pick_a_username Posted on 11/02/2019 15:05

Flint and the myth of our set-piece superiority

 
“I dont want to be negative but...

Set pieces or not, he is a poor footballer,
No better than David Wheater TBH, acually hes probably not on his level.

I'm no big fan of Ayala but the gulf in class between the two is obvious, (And Ayala is below average)

Fry I rate but his performances lately have been sub-par, probably all this full back carry on he's been asked to do.

Maybe I have been spoiled by some of the quality we have had down the years“


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So the best defence in the league is all down to Friend & the Randolph then?
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parmoboy Posted on 11/02/2019 15:05

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I reckon Pulis will have signed him on the basis of him being such a threat some set-pieces more than anything else.

When we signed him I remember saying he could get into double figures in terms of goals - he's been a huge disappointment in that regard.

We can't blame the quality of the delivery as he's had plenty of easy chances to score. Pulis sounded really disappointed with him during his post-match interview. Said he was going to pull him up about it.
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Cant_pick_a_username Posted on 11/02/2019 15:10

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Re OP

We don’t create much in games but we have created chances from set plays and we’ve missed a hell of a lot of them.

But that is being a bit harsh on our Ayala & Flint. The way we play is relying very heavily on the two centre backs to perform at the back and up front. They could both have the best defensive and attacking record at the club if they had put chances away though.
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Tuncaythefunguy Posted on 11/02/2019 15:21

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The opposition managers will work to stop us on set pieces because of Pulis's reputation in that area. Personally we need to try something g new.
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