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Exiled_in_herford Posted on 10/02/2019 19:47
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Clayton is, been saying it for 3 seasons now and a major part on why we went down. AK realised it and had to throw the extra midfielder in there to compensate on how poor he was, which therefore took another attacker out of the frame. Shame on the person who gave him the contract in the PL. He should have been first out of the door. Although when you know you know. Shame most of you are now catching on.
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coluka Posted on 10/02/2019 19:58

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[:D]

Hello Exiled, He is not as good as Mikel [^] hope you are back to stay [;)]
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 10/02/2019 20:00

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Someone's left the Laboratory door open... Welcome back.
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r00fie1 Posted on 10/02/2019 20:01

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Cant agree.
Hes always given 100%
He cost us next to nothing.
Hes got us more points and out of more scrapes than any other player apart from Grant Leadbitter.
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Exiled_in_herford Posted on 10/02/2019 20:02

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They've allowed me back to bring a bit of sense to the board col x
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 10/02/2019 20:02

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Been shyte for years, regardless of effort or cost.
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Exiled_in_herford Posted on 10/02/2019 20:04

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Exactly CTC, when you know you know.
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hopesoboro Posted on 10/02/2019 20:07

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Didn't Aitor regularly pick him?
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dooderooni Posted on 10/02/2019 20:18

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While Clayton might not be at the level of a Mikel, Makalele or Kante, to call him poor and disregard all he's done for our club is churlish indeed.

Sadly, players fade in and out of form and that's all that's happened to Clayton. Quite why he's being vilified with such a "mob mentality" amazes me.

You can "know" all you want, but I'd expect those who profess to be so intuitive to have a bit of respect for the man and themselves and not forget how much Clayton has contributed to our recent successes.
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Exiled_in_herford Posted on 10/02/2019 20:29

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Oh dood, he's been poor when he's come up against quality opposition ie the PL, if you can't see that or won't recognise that then it says more about your knowledge than it does about any one elses

I remember having a massive convo with Adi and Pog when he was awarded the contract in the PL about how it was wrong to reward mediocrity but they seem massively quiet now that they realise I was correct. Massive part of why we went down was having to play a 3rd midfielder because Clayton wasn't good enough to play in a 2. Sure we'll have some know nothing about football try telling me I'm wrong on here in the moment. They'll be wrong as well.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 10/02/2019 20:36

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Iím Ďmassively quietí anyway now. But Iíll respond to this. You were wrong then and youíre wrong now. Played a huge part in our promotion, won more MOTM that season than anyone else and was one of very few players to come out of that PL season with any credit. Heís getting older though and is bound to fade. Overall though my opinion hasnít changed st all so Iím not quite sure why you assume that it has.

Whatever the current position, he deserves much better than booing and gloating like this. Much better.
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We_Will Posted on 10/02/2019 20:40

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What ever happens this season it is what it is. I can only hope we do not have to endure another season of THE CRAB CLAYTON.
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Sortie Posted on 10/02/2019 20:42

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Dropped the "H" for a "h".

Is there a reason?
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Exiled_in_herford Posted on 10/02/2019 20:42

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He's just turned 30 Adi, it's not like he's 36, he's just as he always has been a poor technical player. Just yet another example of people not recognising it. Oh well you got this wrong just as I told you 3 years ago when he was awarded the contract. He came out of the PL with no credit as he was the major part of the problem, if you can't recognise that we had to change tactics because he was so poor then that is not down to me but more your own shortfall in recognition.
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dooderooni Posted on 10/02/2019 20:45

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Exiled, what part of "not forget how much Clayton has contributed to our recent successes" did you miss? As far as our doomed PL season went, there's plenty of people still within the club who are far more culpable than Clayton.

He was an integral part of possibly the best midfield partnership in the Championship for two seasons. You or anyone else can't take that away from him. Overall, like George Friend too, he's been part of more good times for the Boro than bad.

Being not good enough for the PL isn't a crime and if it were then the football jails would be full of decent, honest players like Clayton.
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Exiled_in_herford Posted on 10/02/2019 20:46

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No reason at all sortie, they banned me, allbeit for no reason at all. Then said I had to resubmit a username. Hope that's a good enough explanation for you.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 10/02/2019 20:46

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Yep, thatís me told. Your opinion is better than mine. Blah blah blah. Why the desperate need to be proven right? The objective facts contradict you Iím afraid so maybe Iím not the one with the Ďshortfall in recognitioní, whatever the XXXXXX that means.

He was player of the season when we went up, has been picked regularly by loads of different managers and will rightly be regarded as a great servant to the club. I know youíve got a problem with him but I donít see why you have this incessant need to go on about and try and call people out over it. All a bit pathetic really isnít it?
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Exiled_in_herford Posted on 10/02/2019 20:47

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Dood you're talking about 4 seasons ago, I've said continually for the past 3 seasons he's not been good enough, which part of that are you having trouble with?
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Exiled_in_herford Posted on 10/02/2019 20:50

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Dear me Adi, So your point being is 4 seasons ago he was quality. He isn't now and hasn't been for 3 seasons. Most that know football know that much. Still you carry on with your elongations. However you know I'm correct and that will do for me. I'm off to bed now as I have a long day tomorrow. Take care. [;)]
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dooderooni Posted on 10/02/2019 20:51

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I'm not the one trying to be proved right though am I?

I'm just giving a balanced assessment of his entire time at the club and recognising that he might have just reached his natural ceiling rather than writing him off as a poor player.

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Richyboro Posted on 10/02/2019 20:56

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100% effort but limited midfielder.
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We_Will Posted on 10/02/2019 20:57

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My son and I have Boro in our Blood. He has always loved Clayton, on the other hand I have never seen anything special in Clayton, I think Clayton lived in the shadow of Leadbitter. Since Leadbitter has played a bit part so has Clayton. Me need to move on.
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Exiled_in_herford Posted on 10/02/2019 21:01

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I've given an honest assessment that I've maintained for 3 seasons. I've never changed my opinion on him. He was colossal in our promotion season and I've never denied that. What you all fail to recognise is that he's been poor since then.

He is indeed a poor player if you want to achieve promotion (4 seasons on) or indeed in fact have achieved promotion (as proved last time out). Were am I wrong?
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Adi_Dem Posted on 10/02/2019 21:03

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What a really strange thread to have posted. All in the hope of being proven right. Itís ok to disagree on stuff Exiled.
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Sortie Posted on 10/02/2019 21:05

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Unfortunately it is you.

No one else has the same attitude.
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VerymuchITK Posted on 10/02/2019 21:05

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I hate to see a player who has given great service to the club so denigrated by fans on here. Until a few months ago Clayton was a solid part of our team. I think he has been highlighted / singled out by folk unfairly for a depressing approach in the last few months. He is the water carrier of the side, the bloke who breaks down the opposition and quickly passes it to a more gifted midfielder - a la Claude Makaleke but in a much more limited way. His exposure has been down to a the lack of a gifted partner such as Ramirez to open up the opposition. Along side Besic and Howson he is simply a clogger and a crab in a midfield lacking flair and ambition. With Mikel, Wing and Saville I think a role for Clayton can be found and I would certainly select him ahead of Besic and Howson. Boro fans currently seem to be typified by Short memories and low tolerance levels - very sad. UTB.
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Exiled_in_herford Posted on 10/02/2019 21:08

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I'll await with patience Adi for you to post something so strange. I guess it won't be long as well we all know. [;)]
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Witcher Posted on 10/02/2019 21:09

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good player in what he does, unfortunately for him, because we dont play with any wingers or for that matter any attacking midfielders, he offers nothing to the team other than creating an even bigger imbalance than we have

in a 4-2-3-1 with another ball winner next to him, 2 wingers and a number 10 we would all be saying how much he is needed to stay solid and back and support the back 4
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We_Will Posted on 10/02/2019 21:10

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In the past I have had my disagreement with exiled, on this subject I totally agree, Clayton is way from his best.
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flipside Posted on 10/02/2019 21:12

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"most that know football" [cr][cr][cr]

This from Exiled just made be laugh. What a crank.
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hopesoboro Posted on 10/02/2019 21:12

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This is all very Kafka esque[xx(]
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Barnsy Posted on 10/02/2019 21:38

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He's taught, he's fought, he's got a following, some say welcome back.

I hope Clayton plays at Sheffield, I hope he plays well, if he doesn't I won't seek hits on a message board.

UtB
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Pinkers Posted on 10/02/2019 21:41

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Hang on a sec. Clayton was so poor that Karanka had to play a midfield three? Then why, pray tell, did Karanka not just play the other two, and leave Clayton out? [:D]

Or were the other two also not good enough to play in a two either?

The other two being (in the main) Forshaw and De Roon who cost us more than Clayton (far more in De Roon's case) and achieved far less for us.

Give Clayton a break. He's been a committed, consistent, loyal servant and a good lad, and one of the best defensive midfielders in the champo for several seasons. We know he's not Prem level. Most of our team aren't.
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We_Will Posted on 10/02/2019 21:43

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I want us to win, The outcome will not rotate around Clayton.
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coluka Posted on 10/02/2019 22:27

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I have just had something said to me regarding my post, as such, I suppose, for clarity, I should point out that Clayton was one of my first names on the team sheet, since Mikel signed he is one of my first names on the bench.

In reality i think he will be sold in the summer, nomatterwhat. Great servant and does what he does well............. thanks to AK [^]
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dorivasmiddlefinger Posted on 10/02/2019 23:08

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Absolutely exiled [^][^][^]

Heís always been mediocre for us, but now heís slipped even further. The guy is pure Shyte now.

Heís lucky weíve had genuine quality around him in previous years. Now weíre devoid of this slight quality around him itís become visible how limited he is. For me itís not really as though heís got any worse. Itís that heís now more exposed.

Whatís always confused me is people referring to him as a defensive midfielder when he simply cannot tackle. An obvious prerequisite for any budding CDM.

Itís just so infuriating why itís taken so long for a lot of people to work him out. His lack of goals, assist, tackles twinned with his yellow card record show what a limited player he is.
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hopesoboro Posted on 10/02/2019 23:18

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Getting very loyal and supportive aren't we,
We_Will?[:D]
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Abel_Tasman Posted on 10/02/2019 23:28

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Thought he was our best player when we won at Reading in December. Still is a key member of the squad. Maybe suits our style on the road.
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otto42 Posted on 10/02/2019 23:45

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A poor man's Jacob Butterfield.
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Indeedido Posted on 11/02/2019 00:07

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Did as much as any other player to get us to Wembley and then up the next season.

Clayton didn't let us down in the PL.
We've got better results when he's played since relegation.

Mikkel looks a better player, but Clayton a great asset in the squad in the Championship.

Not sure why anyone would want to slag him off really.
Nothing new from exiled he has been consistent.
But consistently wrong.
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wilfym Posted on 11/02/2019 04:38

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Good player for us...does nothing glamorous but breaks play up and tries to protect the defence which is what hes been asked to do for seasons...and mostly done well....dont understand people wanting to slate him at present...Boo boy target...Mikel obviously has more quality ....funny Leadbitter and Friend were getting a bit of this stick last season too.. Loyal Fans.....pfft
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wilfym Posted on 11/02/2019 04:44

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Also if Clayton is such a poor player ...Howson & Besic must be really XXXXXXe ?
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myfooty Posted on 11/02/2019 07:29

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I have never rated Clayton highly. I always thought he was a very limited player that was made to look better than he was because of the way the team was set-up and players played with him.
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UKLL1981 Posted on 11/02/2019 07:36

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You mean to say Clayton isnít as good as the Premiership winning, Champions League winning, Europa league winning, FA Cup winning and captain of a World Cup side Mikel? Really?
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myfooty Posted on 11/02/2019 07:37

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"Heís always been mediocre for us, but now heís slipped even further. The guy is pure Shyte now.Heís lucky weíve had genuine quality around him in previous years. Now weíre devoid of this slight quality around him itís become visible how limited he is. For me itís not really as though heís got any worse. Itís that heís now more exposed.Whatís always confused me is people referring to him as a defensive midfielder when he simply cannot tackle. An obvious prerequisite for any budding CDM.Itís just so infuriating why itís taken so long for a lot of people to work him out. His lack of goals, assist, tackles twinned with his yellow card record show what a limited player he is."

[^] I agree. You must not forget the Yellow cards are just "Clayton taking one for the team."[rle]
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myfooty Posted on 11/02/2019 07:47

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"You mean to say Clayton isnít as good as the Premiership winning, Champions League winning, Europa league winning, FA Cup winning and captain of a World Cup side Mikel? Really?"

I think most would say Clayton is not as good as Mikel. I also think most would say Clayton is not as good as a former Northern League player like Wing.
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wilfym Posted on 11/02/2019 08:26

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Hey im a massive fan of both wing and tavernier who both are more attack minded and forward thinking but Clayton has played in a team for several seasons who predominantly play and set up defensively and in that role for me has been a good servant and doesnt deserve the shte hes recieving of late imo...But then again its all about opinions
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Pottomed Posted on 11/02/2019 08:29

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Oh dear he is back from his undercover operations
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wombledon Posted on 11/02/2019 09:39

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Clayton has been part of the problem for years. A pedestrian, one dimensional central midfield.

The amount of yellow cards he picks up is staggering, considering the limited area of the pitch he plays.

He's never been blessed with any real pace, but he looks slower with every passing week.

Mikel, Saville and Wing has to be our midfield.

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Paulroddam7 Posted on 11/02/2019 10:19

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He has had some great spells of form for us. He was good at the end of last season and the start of this.

I agree he has come to the end of his time with us, but to say he is a poor player and has been for years is over the top. He definitely came up short in the premier league though, he was well out of his depth.
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Ironops Posted on 11/02/2019 10:25

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He has been a good servant but has always been a very limited player and not seen the best of him since AK's days - although playing alongside a younger and fully fit Leadbitter may have flattered him slightly.

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CheshireBoro Posted on 11/02/2019 11:58

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When we got promoted, I honestly thought there was a chance he would go on to play for England.

I dont think i have seen have a more than 6 out of 10 games since then.

Just goes to show, fans (ie, me) arent great at spotting real talent.
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 11/02/2019 12:03

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I dont think hes poor or that hes too old, he just need to be positive in his play. I think he wants it all too easy.
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JLinardi Posted on 11/02/2019 13:16

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Clayton has always had a Ďceilingí imo, once we play any team above a top 4/5 level he hits it. Our midfield needed work after the play off final where we got totally dominated yet itís remained pretty much the same until this season. We have never had Ďthe best midfield in the championshipí ever.
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borobadge Posted on 11/02/2019 13:23

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looks like.


and I can assure you it aint Clays.

his a quality footballer and we (Boro) have been very well served by him, it aint over by a long chalk for that lad.
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snitch Posted on 11/02/2019 13:57

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I like Clayton, he is a decent player at what he does. He is no where near the class of Mikkel but that's to be expected. There aren't many that are and certainly none that played most of there career in the championship. Even as an avid boro fan I can't help scratching my head at the fact JOM turned down the likes of Roma to play for us in the second tier. I don't expect him to hang around if we don't go up.
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go_nads Posted on 11/02/2019 14:19

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Must admit, I've never rated Clayton, he huffs and puffs but against any quality he strugglers in terms of position and pace. He often has to fall back on the rugby tackle and he is limited as a footballer. His ball distribution is poor, he slows down the attack and often puts other players under pressure with poor passing.

I recognise the service he has given the club but I'd prefer a footballer who can put a foot in, rather than a tackler who is a limited footballer.
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JLinardi Posted on 11/02/2019 15:04

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Glorified Nicky bailey
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boromike85 Posted on 11/02/2019 15:19

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He did the job he was asked to do by Karanka very well. That was to protect the back 4. We had better players in front of him doing the forward play so his total lack of attacking intent wasn't an issue.

Playing him in a 3, or even a 4 as we are now, of similarly unadventurous midfielders highlights how little he offers. We need all of our midfielders to contribute something and he doesn't.

He's never been a bad player, he's just a niche player and we no longer have the players around him to warrant that niche.
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dooderooni Posted on 11/02/2019 17:10

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JL, I actually said "possibly the best midfield partnership in the Championship". You'll note that is not a statement of fact or a comment on our entire midfield, just an opinion on the Leadbetter/Clayton combo.
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