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Big_Nothing Posted on 09/02/2019 15:15
Am i being irrational or was that too much added time?
 
 
I was sat here counting the minutes go by and had already commented about how many minutes i felt should have been added on prior to the incident.

Could well be frustration but it seemed 2 minutes too long to me.

Doesn't excuse the goal though. Happening too often. Our home form isn't good enough and if we consider that a 'good" performance I think it shows how far we've fallen since Karanka.
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Chappy112 Posted on 09/02/2019 15:17

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I thought 10 at the absolute most. I'm sure there was 5 or 6 minutes for the stoppage which means the ref was adding 6 or 7 anyway!
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neilinfrance Posted on 09/02/2019 15:20

Am i being irrational or was that too much added time?

 
The stoppage was 6 so where the other 6 came from I do not know
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Big_Nothing Posted on 09/02/2019 15:36

Am i being irrational or was that too much added time?

 
Still feels excessive but we'll probably know more tomorrow or in retrospect.

We really don't feel as good a team as we were last time in the Championship though, I'm by no means trying to romanticise AK, nor would i take him back but i honestly in a comparative sense feel we'd have held out in that game. The feeling reminded me of the Derby game we won and I feel we're misfitted nearly men at the moment.

Lewis Wing is cracking and offers joy in a team that I otherwise feel ambivalent towards, leaning towards apathy if anything.
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jonny_greenings_sock Posted on 09/02/2019 15:54

Am i being irrational or was that too much added time?

 
The stoppage was 79, maybe 80 to 87, so yeah, he was adding on seven minutes anyway??
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Borocelt Posted on 09/02/2019 16:03

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It was extremely excessive. The game was only stopped between around 81 and 87 minutes - was watching on the stream. Where in the heck he got an additional six from...
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Paulroddam7 Posted on 09/02/2019 16:09

Am i being irrational or was that too much added time?

 
It was definitely too much. I donít even know why they felt the need to stop play anyway.
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OPEO Posted on 09/02/2019 16:15

Am i being irrational or was that too much added time?

 
He was a rubbish ref. Why stop the game when this was off the pitch?
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uncle_rico Posted on 09/02/2019 16:16

Am i being irrational or was that too much added time?

 
There was no need to stop the game. Ridiculous.

The Leeds statement said he was feeling unwell. Did he fall down into the seats and couldnít get up?

All seems a bit iffy to me, especially given the amount of time added on for it. An extra 5 minutes at least.
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Jimmy_Salmon Posted on 09/02/2019 16:17

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7 minutes for stoppage
5 x 30 seconds for each sub
Maybe 1 minute for Wing injury?
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bernies_quiff Posted on 09/02/2019 16:24

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Ref stopped the match on 81 minutes, restarted on 87, so six minutes. Where the hell he got the other six from Iíve no clue.
Also agree that there is no need to stop the match when the problem isnít on the field of play... Robbed by a very poor ref
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Alan_Breck Posted on 09/02/2019 16:31

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The cynic in me suggests a planned interruption by Dirty Leeds. We know they'll stop at nothing for an advantage.

Twelve minutes was a joke.

#UTB
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 09/02/2019 16:39

Am i being irrational or was that too much added time?

 
Should have been 9.5 minutes in my opinion - 6 for the fannying about 2.5 minutes for the subs and 1 for wing injury



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Smoggle Posted on 09/02/2019 16:46

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Both teams used all their subs. Itís 30 seconds per sub so thereís 3 minutes, plus the long injury and other shorter stoppages, I canít say the ref was right but Iím not gonna say he was wrong either without looking at the game again.
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Mfc79 Posted on 09/02/2019 16:48

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Yes. It was far too much time to add. That said their goal was a free header from a corner which should never happen.
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 09/02/2019 16:48
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Am i being irrational or was that too much added time?

 
No you canít count the sub at half time man, he came on at the start of the second half so was on when it kicked off !



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foomanboro Posted on 09/02/2019 16:50

Am i being irrational or was that too much added time?

 
Definitely 15 minutes was too long. Itís like having 1st half of extra time.
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Smoggle Posted on 09/02/2019 16:57

Am i being irrational or was that too much added time?

 
Yes, my mistake, minus the half time sub so 2 1/2 mins added.
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redwurzel Posted on 09/02/2019 17:33

Am i being irrational or was that too much added time?

 
The stoppage was 6.5 minutes - about 80.5 to 87 minute
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coluka Posted on 09/02/2019 18:34

Am i being irrational or was that too much added time?

 
The ref was not great, but i had no issue with the time added on. My stopwatch showed 6:28 for the main stoppage and I did not stop straight away as I did not realise what was going on at first.

Lets be honest we switched off at the death and gave their centre half the freedom of the 18 yrd box. Poor defending cost us, but nevertheless a much improved performance.. a decent pont in the end
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The_same_as_before Posted on 09/02/2019 19:04

Am i being irrational or was that too much added time?

 
Your stopwatch?
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uncle_rico Posted on 09/02/2019 19:20

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Do you time all Boro matches on your stopwatch?

So there was an extra 5 and a half minutes to be added on in the second half, not counting the unnecessary stoppage?
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Borocelt Posted on 09/02/2019 19:59

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There's no way there was any considerable stoppages beyond the incident on their bench. Wing wasn't down long, and walked off pretty promptly. 2 minutes for subs (ours was a double sub) and a 6 minute stoppage. 9 would've been right. 12 was absurd.
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 09/02/2019 20:04

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Yep the football gods cursed us again - without that stoppages we win the game



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Amer_Out Posted on 09/02/2019 20:12

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As near as dammit it was six minutes "illness" stoppage. God only knows how the ref worked out a further six on top of that. A shame because the lads put in loads of effort all over the pitch, but we should have kept taking it to them after our goal and sat on our lead instead.
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OnTheWing Posted on 09/02/2019 20:14

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If the game wasnt stopped and somthing serious happened on the pitch and the medics docs etc weren't able to give full assistance whilst dealing with the first incident there would be hell on.
That said two mins to much added time for me. Bring on sheff utd UTB
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coluka Posted on 09/02/2019 20:31

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Yes uncle rico i do. It is on my normal watch. I do it as it annoys me that the club timer stops on 45 and 90 minutes. Those around me seem to quite like theknowledge of how long left.

Today as soon as it was clear something was amiss i noted the time and let it roll
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Cooper6711 Posted on 09/02/2019 22:19

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Stoppage for our goal too..... can't make excuses for poor defending that corner should be bread and butter
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Liamo Posted on 10/02/2019 09:05

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You can't just say so many subs plus so many minutes injury time equals the exact amount of injury time - it's not that simple. The referee is supposed to make allowance for various things, including anything he sees as time-wasting of whatever kind.

It's not simply 30 seconds for each sub either, it's however much time was actually lost. So it could be more than 30 seconds per sub - or less, as the case may be.
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Norman_Conquest Posted on 10/02/2019 09:55

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Just said on another thread that it seemed about right to me. The game was stopped for 8 minutes and 5 minutes injury time.

I was counting the clock down at the time and the game was stopped on 80 mins.
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fosm Posted on 10/02/2019 10:31

Am i being irrational or was that too much added time?

 
I guessed it would be 12 minutes but that was purely a guess.
As someone mentioned earlier I had the same suspicion it was some dirty trick by Leeds. Not that they could have known how much time would be added of course (but then again...).
Just how ill was the lad? It wasn't anywhere near the pitch so seemed a bit odd ....unless life and death sort of scenario, in which case a no brainer.
How the lads ok having said all of that.
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otto42 Posted on 10/02/2019 10:48

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I have finally found another one who uses a stopwatch at matches. Had a mate in Sheffield used to do it for Wednesday matches! I agree about the timer on the stadium clock, said to my son at WBA last week it's not like it's technically impossible to go beyond 90!
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Eric_Hitchmough Posted on 10/02/2019 13:30

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Not sure where people are getting these timings from, the incident lasted just under 8 minutes, I timed it. 4 minutes for other stoppages, 6 subs etc and 12 minutes was bang imho.
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redwurzel Posted on 10/02/2019 13:45

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The stoppage was approx. 6.5 minutes so there was 5.5 minutes for other stoppages. Seemed a bit long to me but not impossibly long.
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BoroFur Posted on 10/02/2019 13:46

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When the 4th official puts his board up to indicate the amount of stoppage time it is always described as a "minimum of x minutes stoppage time". That's because further stoppages may occur during the stipulated period.

For this reason FA rules dictate that stadium clocks must stop at 45 and 90 minutes to avoid crowd disturbances if a goal is scored beyond the allotted duration.

We conceded the equalizer simply because we switched off at a set piece and no other reason.
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Liamo Posted on 10/02/2019 13:47

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''As someone mentioned earlier I had the same suspicion it was some dirty trick by Leeds.''

I've heard a few mentions of this already but I'm not sure what kind of dirty trick it's supposed to be. It doesn't gain them any extra playing time. If the referee's watch was stopped for twelve minutes and he makes allowance for that at the end, he's only restoring the same amount of time that was lost. It doesn't increase the total amount of time played during the match.
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Pottomed Posted on 10/02/2019 14:54
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This dirty trick allegation is to be honest disgusting
I can't go into details for obvious reasons.
Club doctors and paramedics assessed the player and he needed to go to hospital.
FA rules prevent play continuing in the circumstances yesterday.
It's really as simple as that.
Great to see LUFC thanking MFC medical teams in the media
Those claiming otherwise are either really stupid or pretty horrible individuals
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HolgateCorner Posted on 10/02/2019 15:49

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If the ref was concerned that the incident could have turned really serious he should have taken the players off the pitch in my opinion and then made an announcement to the crowd with regard to how long was left and how it had been totted up.

I agree that itís extreme to suggest this was a dirty trick, Iím sure it will have done this players career no good to have collapsed yesterday afternoon.
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fosm Posted on 12/02/2019 08:55

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It's not disgusting Pottomed. If it was genuine (and seems to have been the case) then no-one has an issue. It's only a game of football in the great scheme of things and not life and death (cue Bill Shankly quote).
As it was dirty tricks Leeds then (some) people (myself included) can't help but consider foul play.
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Jon_Mc Posted on 12/02/2019 09:14

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First time I've ever heard of a team who are losing a game of football wasting time to give themselves an advantage.

You're 1-0 down and you're chasing the game but on the plus side you also you've got loads of possession...and then Baldrick comes up with...Boss...I've got a cunning plan...

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hopesoboro Posted on 12/02/2019 09:22

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The issue for me was that the break gave Leeds greater impetus.. To concede so late on was a massive disappointment.
As a matter of interest Jon_Mc what has been your stance this season in relation to Boro and Tony Pulis?
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Wev1 Posted on 12/02/2019 10:13

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"Yes uncle rico i do. It is on my normal watch. I do it as it annoys me that the club timer stops on 45 and 90 minutes."

That annoy's the $hit out of me too, why not just leave it counting up after the 45/90?
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Humpty Posted on 12/02/2019 10:39

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I did suggest it may have been another Bielsa specialty as it it seemed like convenient timing. The stoppage disrupted play. Leeds, whilst they had a lot of possession, hadn't done anything major with it. They had nothing to lose by the event disrupting play, we were focused and in the heat of the game. The stoppage left us cold. Ultimately we switched off.

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Humpty Posted on 12/02/2019 10:42
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"Club doctors and paramedics assessed the player and he needed to go to hospital."

Given the meticulous detail that Bielsa goes in to and his previous misdemeanors, do you think it's impossible for him find out the symptoms of a seizure, brief the player and initiate it in a time of need? I think the paramedics/doctors even admitted they didn't know what was up with the player.

It's very unlikely but I've always been told to question everything especially when it seems overly convenient.

Glad the lad is ok regardless.
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skiprat Posted on 12/02/2019 11:07

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Can we get the same paramedics to check why Ayala had a moment of madness in not looking at the actual ball from the corner?

To suggest that Bielsa somehow faked one of his younger players to have a blackout so that they could gain an advantage is pretty pathetic.
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Humpty Posted on 12/02/2019 11:17

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Nothing pathetic about it. It's just another potential alternative.

I agree that Ayala should've won his header and George Friend shouldn't lost his man that scored the goal. No excuses for that.
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festa5 Posted on 12/02/2019 11:18

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"First time I've ever heard of a team who are losing a game of football wasting time to give themselves an advantage"

Yeah but it's not really timewasting in the usual sense is it? It's completely breaking up the match and was guaranteed to result in a massive amount of injury time which is a big psychological advantage to the team chasing the game. Also gave Bielsa the chance to speak to his players.

I'm not saying it was a deliberate tactic but I don't see how anyone could think it didn't benefit Leeds.

I think Jon Mc is a Sunderland fan though (apologies if that's not the case), so that might explain it [;)]
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Muttley Posted on 12/02/2019 11:19

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Fukk me there's some nonsense on here.

Apparently Bielsa "coached" a youth player in the symptoms of a seizure so that in the event of being behind in a game with a few minutes to go he could throw a wobbly and get the game stopped...

FFS do some of you fukkwits live on the same planet as the rest of humanity? Have a word with yourselves.

I'm embarrassed for yous. [:I]
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snitch Posted on 12/02/2019 11:25

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The player came off at half time, presumably because he was feeling unwell so if it was a set up then you'd have to argue that the manager wasted a sub just to have the option to fake an illness on the bench. Doesnt sound likely to me. He could have got anyone on bench to do it if that was the case.
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Jon_Mc Posted on 12/02/2019 14:40

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I am a follower of Sunderland but a long time lurker around these parts. [smi]

Leeds had 70% possession. Any idea of breaking up the match allows the winning side to regroup...shirley.

Nope. It's counter productive. If Festa was manager I'm sure that having a player feign injury whilst you're a goal down would be an excellent tactical move. Well known in football management circles it is. You see it happening all of the time, after all.
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Pottomed Posted on 12/02/2019 15:57

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Well said Mutley
Don't forget tho there are many on this thread who are very very mentally challenged[;)]
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festa5 Posted on 12/02/2019 16:07

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It's not feigning injury to waste a few seconds though is it? It's a massive break in play that allows the coach to speak to his players.

70% possession is irrelevant if you're not creating anything. And as I said psychologically all the time added on is massive.

Look at it the other way, do you think boro, defending well, were pleased there was a break in play that long at 84 mins? Absolutely no chance. I think nearly every boro fan feared the worst when the stoppage happened.

As I say I don't think for a second it was deliberate ploy, but it almost certainly favoured Leeds. I feel we'd have had a better chance of seeing the game out without it.
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