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foomanboro Posted on 11/01/2019 11:51
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Thank you Brexit

Link: Bye bye car industry
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 11/01/2019 11:59

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Huge recession on the way with Chinas downturn.
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coluka Posted on 11/01/2019 12:12

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Fooman, brexit has not yet happened has it?

I think you mean the fear of a no deal brexit. You dont blame governments around the world for demonising diesel or the car industry themselves for dieselgate scandals such as at VW?

If I did not know better, I would think you had a (not so) hidden agenda [:O]
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Small_town Posted on 11/01/2019 12:17

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JLR blamed the lack of need for diesel, especially in China.

Ford throttling back in all of Europe.

I hate brexit as much as the next man, let's not make it the bogeyman for everything wrong in this country.
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foomanboro Posted on 11/01/2019 12:18

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No itís a fear of brexit regardless of deal or no deal. Either way they have no confidence to keep jobs here, hence why they need to move their operations before we leave in any form.

If it was just no deal scenario, then why not wait to make the moves until after it has been confirmed?

Brexit hasnít happened but this is a symptom of just the idea of it happening. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Pottomed Posted on 11/01/2019 12:20

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But they are not moving tho!
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colin21 Posted on 11/01/2019 12:20

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The devaluation of the pound to the Euro is an effect that came out of the Brexit vote, surley that is accepted.
With JLR its that and the drop in Diesel demand and China drop due mainly to the trade war initiated by Trump mainly.
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Bobby_Braithwaite Posted on 11/01/2019 12:21

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Is this on top of yesterdays news or Groudhog Day?
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Anton_Berg Posted on 11/01/2019 12:23

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It's what trans-national businesses do all the time. Within and outside of the the EU. On this ocaision, in the EU.
Next they'll be blaming Brexit for ICI's decline.
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foomanboro Posted on 11/01/2019 12:24

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ďHonda later announced six non-production days in April under contingency plans to mitigate the risk of disruption to production at its Swindon factory after the UK leaves the EU.Ē

ďIn the UK, ďcontinuing uncertainty related to BrexitĒ was blamed.Ē

Seems pretty clear itís a lot to do with Brexit.

Chinaís decline in Diesel usage would effect global supply chains. So why do you think UK is getting disproportionately effected to every other country in the world?
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coluka Posted on 11/01/2019 12:25

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So you are dismissing the fall in the demand for diesel cars across the globe and many companies who were producing them in vast numbers until government crackdowns..... why ignore these facts?

Sadly all that has recently caused a significant rise in co2 emmissions as petrol cars are switched to by former diesel drivers. Shame since euro6 diesel engines are clean enough for these city centres that are banning older versions like euro5 and below.

Still brexit will no doubt be responsible for global warming now co2 is rising
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Nosmo-King Posted on 11/01/2019 12:29

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Germany looking likely to go into recession, no doubt Brexits fault!
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foomanboro Posted on 11/01/2019 12:34
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Iím not dismissing the fall in demand for diesel Col. Read my last sentence.

Iím asking, why is it effecting the UK car industry disproportionately to rest of the the world?

Clue: There is another major factor called Brexit which is undeniably amplifying the problem.
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coluka Posted on 11/01/2019 13:03

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ďIím not dismissing the fall in demand for diesel Col. Read my last sentenceď

My previous message was being typed as you posted your last one just before me. Jaguar Landrover were far too reliant on the diesel market and continued growth in the far east. Far bigger effect than brexit imho.

Governments around the world were praising diesel and many manufacturers went down this line, especially following the huge growth in SUVís too. Since this all changed following the various diesel scandals and demonisation issues, the threat of trade wars, global recessions, people are not buying cars like before. Brexit is an issue yes, but in the greater picture is a much smaller one than implied
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BobUpndown Posted on 11/01/2019 13:15

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"Thank you Brexit" - THAT is the sum of your reasoning.. & it has - only a little - to do with Brexit..

If we remained in the EU it would be just the same..

The biggest driver will be electric & manufacturers changing production to make electric cars.. which JLR have done & are doing..

They are possibly ahead of the curve & could benefit in the longer term.. ALL car makers will suffer a hit in the near future as EU gov's esp have effectively announced the extinction of Petrol & esp Diesel cars..

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The_same_as_before Posted on 11/01/2019 13:19

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Fooman is incapable of giving a seasoned argument

He reminds me of Ian Paisley in the 70's and 80's and Trump today.
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foomanboro Posted on 11/01/2019 13:21

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Given plenty of reasons in this thread SAB. Itís not my fault you canít read.
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Block1 Posted on 11/01/2019 13:26

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I didnít hear you screaming and stamping your feet when the EU financed 100s of millions to transfer UK vehicle manufacturing jobs to other countries, where was your outrage then?[rle]
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The_same_as_before Posted on 11/01/2019 13:26

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No you see manufacturers moving their capacity that is due to many reasons including reducing cost and the need to change rules on the environmental effect.

You blame it on Brexit
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flute_loop Posted on 11/01/2019 13:26

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'Huge recession on the way with Chinas downturn.'

I know people well qualified to comment on this who think we're already in a recession.
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foomanboro Posted on 11/01/2019 13:32
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Yes the increased trade tariffs, plummeting sterling and restricted freedom of movement if its European workforce when we leave the EU has had no bearing on the decision? [rle]

Except the manufacturers have said so themself. Burying your head in the sand will not change the truth. No matter how inconvenient you find it.
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BobUpndown Posted on 11/01/2019 13:33

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"I know people well qualified to comment on this who think we're already in a recession."

technically it may have ended.. however, I wonder how many people feel it ever did.. big crash in 2008 & effect continues..
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The_same_as_before Posted on 11/01/2019 13:39

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Fooman I work in the industry. I can tell you there is a great deal in place to ensure that there is transfer of loyalty in vehicle buying.

Wether we stay in or leave is not in the top 500 things in my life I worry about .
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foomanboro Posted on 11/01/2019 13:41

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You must have more problems than Jay-Z then.
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Ironops Posted on 11/01/2019 13:45

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With JLR its lots of factors - Brexit is one of them but not the main one behind their slump in sales figures

I reckon its more about diesel.


I looked at one of their cars last year, I didnt want a diesel but the petrol version was £7k more expensive.

Plus their finance deals are not great so you end up paying a lot more than a german equivalent, which is what i got instead

Ive no idea why its costs them £7k more for a petrol engine mind but no surprise people are not buying them
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expat_smoggie Posted on 11/01/2019 13:52

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ok, I've only been in this auto industry (EV) for around 3 years but it's fair to say it's a top down approach brought on by the innovation of EV and the overwhelming CO2 issue. I see so many car manufacturers leaning towards everything EV, or being CO2 [product] neutral is another catch phrase that is widely used. Some manufacturers are stiff arming the concept while others are pressing the panic button. Just recently I visited a car plant in Russia that ended overnight it's production of Diesel so called luxury vehicles, other plants/manufacturers in France/Germany are also following suit. I dare say that if you own a diesel vehicle you'l be told to trade it in in a year or two for a more ECO friendly vehicle. Lastly, it's got nothing to do with Brexit.
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foomanboro Posted on 11/01/2019 13:59
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Uncertainty over brexit = low consumer confidence = lower sales

If leavers are so confident that that Brexit will be the best thing ever, why are they not spending more?
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The_same_as_before Posted on 11/01/2019 14:04

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Do you think Brexit is to blame for Trump not building his wall?
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dreamdealer Posted on 11/01/2019 14:08
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boohooman whingeing about Brexit again. There's a shock. [:D]


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colin21 Posted on 11/01/2019 14:08

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The Diesel issue although not directly with Brexit is affected by the import of the very expensive parts like injectors which are sourced in Euros, the reason in particular why Ford and JLR are affected is that they both have a healthy market share in the UK. For the record both Ford Germany and France are affected by the announced cuts.
I agree that Germany and the EU will be affected to the bad if the UK leaves, there really are no winners from Brexit for anyone's economy.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 11/01/2019 14:32

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Can't blame online sales for this one.
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foomanboro Posted on 11/01/2019 14:32

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"Do you think Brexit is to blame for Trump not building his wall?"

Is this the attempt to make some tenuous point about the the lack of connection between two events? No Brexit, has nothing to do with the Trump wall.

Yes - Brexit does have something to do with disproportionately higher number of job losses in UK car manufacturing vs. the rest of the world for several reasons I have already given.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 11/01/2019 14:34

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Hmmm...

2015-2016 JLR have record sales and break 500,000 for the first time.

2017-2018 JLR have terrible sales at 592,000 and so have to down-size because of Brexit...

Likely story
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 11/01/2019 14:39

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Btw there is no mention in that article about Honda reducing staff.

Try to learn to read fooman, before shooting your load as usual
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dreamdealer Posted on 11/01/2019 14:41

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[:D]
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foomanboro Posted on 11/01/2019 15:24

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Not for Honda yet but The signs are there it will follow the confirmed 4500 being lost at JLR and 2000 at Ford.

You are naive to think this is a ďtemporaryĒ closure at Honda. I bet you Honda workers donít share your confidence.
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FatalEmission Posted on 11/01/2019 16:26

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Foo with usual Brexit tantrum, what a loser.

Car sales are down for reasons other than Brexit you gormless tool. The sudden crash in sales of diesels being one of them.

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bblf Posted on 11/01/2019 16:53

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Ford are axing 10's of thousands of jobs world wide due to world wide economies not brexit.
Germany better watch out ;-) my last 3 cars have been Mercs but the way they are going against us I am going to look elsewhere next.
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ZippytheHippy Posted on 11/01/2019 17:19

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Nowt to do with brexit.

UK Gov has pledged to reduce diesel & petrol engine production by 50% by 2030 & a full end to the internal combustion engine production by 2040.

As I said who wants to buy a v8 twin turbo Range Rover Vogue @ £100k in 2035. LRJ need to get there act together.
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foomanboro Posted on 11/01/2019 17:54

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ďNothing to do with brexitĒ is the leavers equivalent of Trump saying ďno collusion with RussiaĒ.

Itís disingenuous and nobody believes the denial, not even the people saying it.
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capri Posted on 11/01/2019 18:00

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You are an embarrassment to the area you lad.

You are only allowed to post on here out of pity.
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foomanboro Posted on 11/01/2019 18:25

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Not as embarrassing as getting all your other usernames banned that you have to keep creating new ones. Now thatís being a loser [:D]
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capri Posted on 11/01/2019 18:51
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The beauty is I can change my username, whereas you'll always be a bigoted freak.

The irony is lost on you though.
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Block1 Posted on 11/01/2019 19:54

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The European Commission blocked £187 million of extra investment in Peugeot's Ryton plant while conducting its longest ever inquiry into state aid.
At the same time it used cash supplied by British taxpayers to subsidise the building of the Trnava plant in Slovakia, resulting in 1000s of job losses and closure of Ryton.
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ZippytheHippy Posted on 11/01/2019 20:11

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foomanboro
I'm neither a leaver or remainer. I'm a democrat who believes in democracy. 52% voted out, that result should be respected that's what universal suffrage delivers.
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Northoftheriver Posted on 11/01/2019 20:22
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Just to be clear about the brexit effect. The company I work for makes part for companies that supply the big car manufacturers. One of those companies had placed orders with us for parts for Jaguar Land Rover. during development they cancelled the orders with us and moved those orders to Spain. Specifically because of the uncertainty that Brexit is causing. That decision has cost our company and probably cost jobs that we now won't be creating for those orders. That decision was made by that company purely because of brexit. No ifs, buts, or maybes. They were very clear it was because of brexit.
They won't be the only ones!
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foomanboro Posted on 11/01/2019 20:34

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I believe in democracy as well. Including my democratic right to discuss the impact of brexit.
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 11/01/2019 20:36

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Nowt to do with Brexit - move along, nothing to see here



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tronchvilleboro Posted on 11/01/2019 20:46

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Fooman, you have valid points on what is quite a small chunk of the whole Brexit/EU debate. But what are your thoughts on the 18-24 job seekers in countries like Spain, Greece, Italy, Portugal, France, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, Belgium, Croatia etc. Where youth unemployment can range from anything from 18 to 45%? What has the EU done for these marginalised kids? I lived in Spain for 23 years unto 2015. A beautiful country with a fantastic culture. But also, sadly, genuinely close to bankrupty. It's only going to take another Greece for the whole pack of cards to fall. I'm very pro EU, but you cannot ignore certain truths. Only a fool would.
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foomanboro Posted on 11/01/2019 21:14
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Not really the topic of this thread but I think the youth employment issues of Spain and Greece are extreme examples and not representive of the EU country average.

Spain and Greece are 44% and 47% respectively. Which is very high. The average for EU countries is actually ~19% (down from 23% from 2003). Germany is the lowest with just 7%.

This extreme range suggest youth employment is not caused by the EU itself but is symptomatic of local country policy.

Having said that , the EU is aware of the issue and it trying to tackle the issue with numerous schemes if you look at the link below. Certainly more than our government does for our young people.

Link: EU - Youth policies and initiatives
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tronchvilleboro Posted on 11/01/2019 21:24

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'Having said that , the EU is aware of the issue and it trying to tackle the issue with numerous schemes if you look at the link below. Certainly more than our government does for our young people.'

Pure and unadulterated political rhetoric. To be fair I expected nothing less. You can take me to all the biased links you want to, you have to live it to understand the truth.

Nice of you to respond all the same.
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Pottomed Posted on 11/01/2019 21:27

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I was going to buy a Range Rover today, but then I thought hang on what about Brexit , so I went for the Bus, they were on strike.
What am I to do
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foomanboro Posted on 11/01/2019 21:28

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Well it didnít take long for your ďvery pro EUĒ mask to fall off [;)]
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tronchvilleboro Posted on 11/01/2019 21:41

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Not a mask at all. My kids are Spanish nationals, Europe is a part of who I am. I lived in the EU longer than I ever lived in the UK, so I daresay I'm qualified to have an opinion. My concern, therefore, for young people's opportunities, is quite a valid one and not opaque. And so my point stands about youth unemployment in the EU.
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ZippytheHippy Posted on 11/01/2019 21:48

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foomanboro

A shame you don't respect the choice of the majority. Either you don't understand "democracy" or you hold the opinion that the proletariat are XXXXXXs. I personally could not stand Bliar yet the majority voted for him. I accepted that result and moved on
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foomanboro Posted on 11/01/2019 22:07

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Tronchville - let me take you at face value for a minute then.

What is your point? Are you blaming the EU for youth employment or you saying they should be solution? Also why? Are you saying individual country governments are absolved of all responsibility?

The fact I have already point out the wide variation in unemployment between EU countries shows there is no or relationship between membership and youth unemployment.
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tronchvilleboro Posted on 11/01/2019 22:34

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There's no substance to your argument, it's just spin, spin and more spin.

Quote: 'The fact that I have pointed out....blah blah'
Sanctimonious much?

You kindly bow down to my inferior level to see me at face value, albeit for a minute. Behave yourself.

If you cannot for one minute, see and understand a working man's family concerns, without attempting to defend your political ideals. Then more the fool you.



Cheerio pal.

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The_same_as_before Posted on 11/01/2019 23:03

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Foo, try and listen to the leave argument
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Northoftheriver Posted on 11/01/2019 23:08
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The only thing leave is going to achieve, especially in this region is job losses, job losses and more job losses!
Everything else really is irrelevant!

We haven't left yet but the damage is already being done. The sooner someone has the sense to put a stop to this idiocy the better, then we can start trying to repair the damage already done.
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Block1 Posted on 11/01/2019 23:21

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EU Referendum reminder..
By constituency: 406 Leave, 242 remain
By voting area: 263 Leave, 119 remain
By party: Labour 148 Leave, 84 remain. Tory 247 leave, 80 remain

By MP: 248 Leave, 400 Remain

MPs are the problem. Elected to serve but only serving themselves & the rancid EU
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Northoftheriver Posted on 11/01/2019 23:42

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Block we are painfully aware of the result. It doesn't alter the consequences. What should have altered is what people want now those consequences are becoming more and more apparent.
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Clingon33 Posted on 11/01/2019 23:59
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Prose
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The_same_as_before Posted on 12/01/2019 00:04

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As a leaver are Blocks numbers correct?
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Northoftheriver Posted on 12/01/2019 00:09

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Does it really matter. The fact is that things have changed a lot since then and we know a lot more about it and yet it goes on regardless no matter how much damage it is doing and will do.
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Clingon33 Posted on 12/01/2019 00:10
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2 Tone time. Music of the man who hides his redundancy notice behind the bread bin.
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boromike85 Posted on 12/01/2019 00:21

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ďHonda later announced six non-production days in April under contingency plans to mitigate the risk of disruption to production at its Swindon factory after the UK leaves the EU.Ē

Is that really a news story? Is that all you have to cling to for your anti-Brexit rant. Any news is the end of the world? Half the country shut for 6 days last month for Xmas. It means nothing. It's downtime they would have had at some point moved to a convenient date where they might not be certain what is going on.

There is nothing wrong with having the opinion that Brexit will be bad for this country. Posting every bit of news as an "I told you so" is just incredibly childish. Especially when any actual detailed reasoning would see the truth that Brexit is only a small part of the decision.

The fact is these companies have to promote themselves as being competent to maintain share prices. Blaming an external factor like Brexit is far more palatable a line to spin than "nobody wants our cars because they are overpriced, unreliable and poor value".

Also, as pointed out. There have been entire industries moved from the UK to cheaper parts of the EU over the years. Thousands of jobs lost. Why didn't that elicit the same response? The reason is clear, you didn't care and it didn't fit into your agenda.
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Northoftheriver Posted on 12/01/2019 00:32
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All that is fair enough boromike, however I refer you to an earlier post of mine where I described how orders that my company had already won and was already in development for have been cancelled and the work moved to Spain for the explicit reason From the customer themselves that it is because of the uncertainty over brexit. This includes the tooling that we are currently having made being bought of us upon completion and shipped to Spain to be used over there for the manufacture of the exact same parts we had won the order to manufacture. That isn't scaremongering, that is actually happening and if it's happening in that instance it won't just be happening to my company either. This isn't work we've missed out on, it's work we had been awarded and then taken away from us because of this mess.
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foomanboro Posted on 12/01/2019 00:46

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Yep as I suspected, took about two posts to unravel your fake persona.

Ask a couple of reasonable questions and you throw your toys out the pram.

Cheerio indeed pal.
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TrappaTony Posted on 12/01/2019 00:48

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JLR blamed the lack of need for diesel, especially in China.

JLR warned of the dire consequences of a no deal Brexit months ago. The Japanese are XXXXXXting themselves of the same consequences. And to blame the Chinese economic slow down blows a massive hole in the whole massive delusion that post-Brexit "Global Britain will prosper under W.T.O. rules.

Since the Brexit vote the pound has dropped lke a stone but our trade gap has widened. There is none so blind that will not see.
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TrappaTony Posted on 12/01/2019 00:56

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There is nothing wrong with having the opinion that Brexit will be bad for this country.

And when that opinion is shared by the Japanese Prime Minister and Ambassador it carries a much more important significance.


They are normally renowned for being inscrutable and diplomatic so when they say the only reason their car companies are here is for access to the single market, everybody should sit up and listen and not foolishly consign it to the"project fear" dustbin.


Instead you bone headed Brexiters should feel afraid, very afraid.
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boromike85 Posted on 12/01/2019 00:57

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Northoftheriver

The key point in your post is "uncertainty over Brexit". You won't get any arguments from me there. It is the uncertainty that is the issue currently. Once we know what our relationship is going to be you may find that those orders return, or even increase. Businesses don't like uncertainty. At least with details in place they can plan and weigh up options. At the moment their choice is between a precise value or a possible value which could be way higher or way lower. It only makes sense to choose certainty in the short term even if it might be more expensive than usual.

I would never try and defend the way the government has gone about implementing brexit. They have caused the uncertainty, all parties, because they can't agree anything. They are an absolute shambles and they should all be ashamed of the way they have carried on.

None of those things mean the arguments for leaving the EU are irrelevant.
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Clingon33 Posted on 12/01/2019 01:07
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Middlesbrough FC has one terrace chant left for redemption and if left unsung we have to endure a sad trip to the grave to the blunt chant of we love you we love we love you and that's we the way we like it we like it AAAGGH.. fk off.....

Middlesbrough FC is about one step beyond.

If ever one club had an anthem..

I love you yes I do cos I know that you love me too. Every day gonna say gonna spend all my money on you.

He Ska
Who Ska
You Ska
Boro Joeys.




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TrappaTony Posted on 12/01/2019 01:14

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I would never try and defend the way the government has gone about implementing brexit. They have caused the uncertainty, all parties, because they can't agree anything. They are an absolute shambles and they should all be ashamed of the way they have carried on.

Only one party is to blame for the state we are in relating to Brexit and they are the Conservatives. They are "little englander" ideologues that live in the 19th century when we "ruled the waves" We lost our British Empire after the First and Second World Wars and we only started recovering some standing on the world stage after joining and benefiting from our EU membership. Without that, we are on the road to nowhere.
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Clingon33 Posted on 12/01/2019 01:19
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Ford, Honda, Jaguar Land Rover Axeing 1000ís of UK Jobs
Prose.
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Northoftheriver Posted on 12/01/2019 01:24
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Have to disagree mike I'm afraid. In my experience once those jobs are taken over to the continent they are gone for good, affecting employment over here. That is the damage this is doing. Fortunately there are 2 or 3 other companies making JLR components that we still will be supplying but the one that had moved it's production to Spain was a very significant set of orders and with it would have seen extra employment in the area. Like I said in this industry once they're gone, they're gone for good usually and with JLR opening plant on the continent it's going to be even harder to win them in the first place in future. Whether it's because of the uncertainty or not, the fact remains that that uncertainty is being created by brexit and this area, as has been said by far cleverer people than me relies on exports to the continent far more than most so is going to suffer far more as a result and it's highly unlikely that those self serving b'stards in the HoC will give a second thought to trying to do anything to counteract that.
So I say again whether it is the short term uncertainty or not it is Because of Brexit and it is going to cause long term problems in this area in particular, even if by some miracle someone puts a stop to it now some of the damage is already done and will take years to repair if at all.
I'm not trying to blindly scaremonger either. It's what I'm seeing with my own eyes where I work.
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Northoftheriver Posted on 12/01/2019 01:27

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Clingon WTF are you going on about. Whatever it is I think you are doing it on the wrong thread.
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Clingon33 Posted on 12/01/2019 01:48
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No I am not. Your just not tuned in. Bad Day Carmel.
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redwurzel Posted on 12/01/2019 02:02

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I have sisters in law from Slovakia and Italy. They both have worked very hard in this country and integrated and paid a lot of tax here and work in our public sector. They are a real credit to their families and I am proud to call them my relatives. This has given me a bit of an insight into their countries.


Slovakia is doing well, a lot of manufacturing jobs have moved into Western Slovakia from Western Europe. Wages were 25% of what they are in the UK, but not any longer more like 60% now. In general there is not a large Youth Unemployment problem. The country has also benefitted from large EU grants and a younger population than the UK. 99.9% of their population was born in Slovakian. There are quite a number of new houses and new buildings. More Slovakians are going back from the UK than going to the UK and that was true before the BREXIT vote, because the economics changed several years ago.

Italy (Sardinia) is different to Slovakia - there is a lot of people under 40 unemployed and under employed. I was told most jobs for younger people are on short term contracts (even though they are highly educated), older people have a lot of job protection which makes it harder for younger people to break into the jobs market. There is some wealth in Italy but it seems to be a few hands and they like to show it. There were quite a few Africans selling bits and pieces on the pavements. Quite a few young Italians have left and don't tend to return to live. There are not a lot of new buildings or houses. Italy feels more like old wealth. I believe Italy as a country is a not receiver of EU funds so would never vote to leave, but some there believe the Euro may have damaged their economy because it has been too strong.


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Trimbletow Posted on 12/01/2019 02:19

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All those big industries that have made massive job losses over the last ten years must of had a crystal ball and knew Brexit was coming.
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Clingon33 Posted on 12/01/2019 02:43

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Like a soul without a mind in a body without a heart

stand them.
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TrappaTony Posted on 12/01/2019 10:15

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Anton Berg - delusional and in denial refuses to see the dangers of the cliff edge in the full face of all the warning signs [rle
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MiniShotton Posted on 12/01/2019 11:25

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Moving 3000 jobs to Slovakia thanks to the European project. Well worth having them billions and billions every year...
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WoodallServices Posted on 12/01/2019 11:52

Ford, Honda, Jaguar Land Rover Axeing 1000ís of UK Jobs
JLR are talking shoite. The reason they are struggling in China is for sheer greed. They opened a car plant in China, but, as it turned out, the Chinese donít want Chinese made shoite, they want stuff thatís made Made in Britain! Oh the irony![:D]
Just think of the opportunities available in a post Brexit Britain if we still actually made anything!![:D]
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