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johnsmithsno2 Posted on 11/01/2019 08:37
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Will he be successful anywhere?
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ian1969uk Posted on 11/01/2019 08:38

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He was successful here.
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tom_mate Posted on 11/01/2019 08:40

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Are any managers except the obvious big names really 'successful' these days?
They're rarely in a job more than a couple of years, especially at Championship level and it seems like any good work can be undone with just 2 or 3 losses. Not sure if that applies to Karanka as haven't been following Forest but it's how it seems with a lot of them.
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 11/01/2019 08:40

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Daft move to go to Forest - a Club with psycho ownership and a culture that still lives under the shadow of the Clough era.
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Jostler Posted on 11/01/2019 08:42

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I feel it's a bit harsh on him given they are just outside they play offs, and that they haven't really competed at the top end of the champo for years, but such is they way with world of football these days
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 11/01/2019 08:45

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The press release says he asked "to be released from his contact" - so it may be just the attitude of the owners was too much to bear for him.
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joeychicago Posted on 11/01/2019 08:47

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Let's get him back in [^]
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DCI_Gene_Hunt Posted on 11/01/2019 08:48

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"He was successful here."

Was he really though?

Yes he got us promoted but it was his responsibility we got relegated.

The football was poor to watch.
His man management skills weren't great.
His transfer dealings were poor.

He's repeated the same faults at Forest and has asked to released from his contract.
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joeychicago Posted on 11/01/2019 08:50

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Of course he was successful here. We have some muppets following us.
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borobadge Posted on 11/01/2019 08:56

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absolute crazy decision.

I hope they go for rowett, his one of the worst football managers in the division, they both deserve each other.
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uncle_rico Posted on 11/01/2019 08:59

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My mates a forest fan and reckon theyíve said he asked to be released rather than sacked because they want to save face.

Apparently most forest fans arenít happy that heís gone and are now getting on the owners back.

Oh, and of course he was successful here. He was naive once we were promoted, signed too many Spanish players which split the squad and lost the team spirit which had been so important. Was sad the way it ended but to say he wasnít successful is a joke.
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s!ovak Posted on 11/01/2019 09:02

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I think some people have short memories. He completely turned this club around after years of abstract football. The connection he brought between the fans and the club was amazing. The season of the play off final was so enjoyable as fan, and obviously the season following we got promoted. He made us competitive again.

He brought the fun back.

Some people are very hard to please.
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TeesvilleMonsoon Posted on 11/01/2019 09:02

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Do people really believe that karanka wasnt successful?

He got us promoted!! That was the aim which he achieved...

The guy and all those players will always be remembered for that. Prem didnt work out but yes he was a success
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wombledon Posted on 11/01/2019 09:04

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I preferred Karankaís Boro to this current side.

It wasnít pretty in the premier league once Ramirez downed tools, but before that I thought we did ok. January was massive for the club and the wrong players were brought in.

The relationship between club and manager clearly deteriorated after that.

I donít think he should return though. I think it would be divisive to a crowd base which is already disgruntled.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 11/01/2019 09:05

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Was he a success with us? Only an idiot would question that.
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gazzastrip2 Posted on 11/01/2019 09:06

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Sad for him.

He was successful here for sure, but his tenure wasn't without its problems. Some of these may not have been of his doing (player recruitment) and despite thinking he would be a good manager in the Prem he turned into anything but!

I wouldn't want him back at this moment in time, but who knows re the future?

Looking form the outside- it seems mad that Forest have hounded him out. He seemed to be on the way to turning them round and the fans appeared to be on his side?

Just shows the fickle nature of football these days. Maybe some of the idiot fans we have who rise up and demand changes after a couple of bad performances and results should go and support Forest? Seems they have an owner who thinks its right to sack someone based on short term results only!
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alanmoodysdog Posted on 11/01/2019 09:07

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i thought he was fine, premier debarcle will be a lesson learned by him and i am sure he would not repeat .
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big_OL Posted on 11/01/2019 09:07

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He was successful here."

Was he really though?

Yeah he was actually, itís not even up for debate.


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CardiffDaffs Posted on 11/01/2019 09:07

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Certainly his lack of backing up his one liner empty rhetoric doesn't prove otherwise than yes he is an idiot.
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Wev1 Posted on 11/01/2019 09:08

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Shocking if he's been sacked, fair play if he's walked because of undeserved pressure from the owners.

Forest were 17th last year, they've spent about 20m and now they're 7th, above the likes of Villa, Swansea, Stoke, Preston and Brentford.

What on earth where the owners expecting?

Is their squad better than any of those above them? Maybe Sheff Utd, but there's plenty below them that they're worse than.

AK's done a good job there, the same as he did here, he'll walk into another job easy.
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OneEye Posted on 11/01/2019 09:11

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After the Strachan and Mowbray spells, Karanka came in and got us to a play-off final, then automatic promotion.

Of course he was successful.
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Andy_The_Touch Posted on 11/01/2019 09:13

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Uncle Rio i have heard the same thing from my forest mate. Basically owners have forced him out and are trying to save face.

The Forest fans are not happy with him leaving.
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joseph99 Posted on 11/01/2019 09:13

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Successfully achieved promotion with much financial support and very unsuccessful in the top flight.
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 11/01/2019 09:14

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Proved me wrong, I thought he blew it after the play offs.

Thought his football was bland most of the time, but it seems they all play the same way these days.
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Block21 Posted on 11/01/2019 09:14

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Who do we think they will get then?

Moyes?

Martin OíNeil and Roy Keane combo ?

Jokanovic?

Not sure myself.
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3ships Posted on 11/01/2019 09:15

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Big Baby
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TarmosLeftPeg Posted on 11/01/2019 09:16

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Can't believe i just read the football was poor under Karanka when we have this shyte now.
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DCI_Gene_Hunt Posted on 11/01/2019 09:18

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If you just view promotion as a definition of success then yes he was indeed successful.

If you look at the bigger picture and the state he left the club in then that balances it out a bit more.

"Was he really successful" - it was a question designed to stimulate debate but that seems to be beyond the capability of some.
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big_OL Posted on 11/01/2019 09:19

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Successfully achieved promotion with much financial support and very unsuccessful in the top flight.

So strong financial support is guaranteed to get you up now?

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Adi_Dem Posted on 11/01/2019 09:20

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The football wasnít poor until the last few months. He was hugely successful. To argue otherwise is to deny reality.
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dreamdealer Posted on 11/01/2019 09:20

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Like the Pulis haters on here. Dead easy saying sack him (?).

Replacing him with a ready made 'likely to succeed' alternative never seems to come too easy to them though, does it?

Like rocking horse sh!t they are.
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 11/01/2019 09:20

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Should have been given time to build something here - so he got relegated from the premier after one season, so what. So did Dyche with Burnley an heís done ok for them since



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Ticker_Tape Posted on 11/01/2019 09:21

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In your opinion Adi.
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Dibzzz Posted on 11/01/2019 09:21

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He was successful here, and extremely unsuccessful.
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big_OL Posted on 11/01/2019 09:23
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If you look at the bigger picture and the state he left the club in then that balances it out a bit more.

You mean a premier league club that gave 50 million to the next manager to spunk?
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joseph99 Posted on 11/01/2019 09:29

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"So strong financial support is guaranteed to get you up now?"

No but it does help if you are competing with those who do not have it.
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paulwilko10 Posted on 11/01/2019 09:29

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He got us promoted, and by definition it was successful.

However, the football was dire for the most part, he made some incredible decisions during his time with both team selection, walking out on one of the best chairman in the game and then the premier league was an absolute shambles.
So, overall, i would question if that is successful, i would say just about.

I would not want him anywhere near this club again, he seems to have issues.
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joseph99 Posted on 11/01/2019 09:30

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How are people defining successful?
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Boro_Legend Posted on 11/01/2019 09:32

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Steve Gibson you know what to do, bring this fella back home to boro [^][^][^][^][^]
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DCI_Gene_Hunt Posted on 11/01/2019 09:33

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"You mean a premier league club that gave 50 million to the next manager to spunk?"

A Premier league club hurtlng towards relegation with an unbalanced squad of over paid under performing players. Disharmony in the squad between players and a lack of clear man management. A manager who spat his dummy out and ran away before a crucial away match.

I'd say that balances out some of his success.
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 11/01/2019 09:34

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I agree 100% with Paul and that is a first!
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Adi_Dem Posted on 11/01/2019 09:34

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Itís not an opinion that he was successful. Itís objective fact. So anyone arguing that he wasnít successful is denying reality. Just like someone that says the football was Ďdireí.
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Marvanelli Posted on 11/01/2019 09:36
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Aitor's objective when he came in was first to stabilise the club as we were going backwards and not forwards.

Within 7-10 games he had shored up the defence and we were making progress.

His second objective was to get us challenging for promotion.

In his first full season he took us to a play off final where we narrowly missed out on promotion.

In his next full season we achieved promotion.

Up until Xmas in the Premier League we were looking to be having a good chance of survival and all of a sudden it went pear shaped.

Overall - he was successful because he achieved his main objectives.

It's just a shame it ended like it did.
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 11/01/2019 09:38

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Didn't say he wasn't successful, I just thought his football was bland. You thought it was good thats your opinion.

Would you like to go through it again?
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SophieMfc Posted on 11/01/2019 09:38

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Seems very odd unless he fell out with the club as he did at MFC. How do championship clubs measure success when a club who is 7th playing decent football and the manager leaves for no apparent reason. No doubt we will hear the same names linked such as Moyes, Allardyce etc
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joseph99 Posted on 11/01/2019 09:40

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In management you have more than one objective
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Wanderingstar Posted on 11/01/2019 09:41

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Wilko is absolutely right marginally successful, but his performance, and behaviour between January 2016 and 2017 spoilt it. Has huge issues, be surprised if he dips his toe in the managerial waters again
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Adi_Dem Posted on 11/01/2019 09:43

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And he met all of them Joseph. Go through it as many times as you want Ticker, Iím just right.
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 11/01/2019 09:47

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The point where he was asked not to take training in the aftermathath of the Rotherham and Charlton games put question marks certainly over his temperament to deal with his players. I donít know exactly what went on then - none of us on here do but it was clear to me then that something was amiss.
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 11/01/2019 09:48

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In your opinion you are.
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Pottomed Posted on 11/01/2019 09:51

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You couldn't make it up.
Our whinging want it now fans
"Was he successful here?"
Playoffs once,then promoted.
They would even slag Klopp if he came to our club
Sad to see

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Ticker_Tape Posted on 11/01/2019 09:52

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Looking at the December results he had a mix bag, some good some bad.
Had he spent much ?
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Borocelt Posted on 11/01/2019 09:53

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Forest are still a basket case, I see. I had wondered if maybe things had changed with new owners, but it would seem not.

Iíd have him back in a heartbeat.
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Pottomed Posted on 11/01/2019 09:53

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Legend you troll
Please explain why you think Karankas home is Boro.
Where is your home you muppett
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paulwilko10 Posted on 11/01/2019 09:54
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Don't worry Cardiff, I am sure you will sleep tonight after agreeing with me [:D]

To say the quality of football is a fact is just pure ignorance on your part Adi, it's 100% Pure opinion, just like Pulis will like his style, you and I both certainly do not.

Karankas football at times, IN MY OPINION and certainly NOT fact, was awful to watch. Side to side.
However, I will not sit here and say that was the case all the time as that would be a lie on my part. There were times when it was great to watch!
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SimonDavidWilliamson Posted on 11/01/2019 09:56

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Looks like heís bottled it and walked out in his team again.

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Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 11/01/2019 09:57

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Karanka has a methodical approach. If we have the ball the opposition canít score. Keep posetion and when something opened up let Tomlin/Bamford,Gaston etc do their thing.

I thoroughly enjoyed his time here. The club regained its heartbeat and we had results that were exceptional.
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 11/01/2019 09:57

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Best game under Klonk was the Brentford play off home game.
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boro_in_york Posted on 11/01/2019 10:00

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This shouldn't even be a debate.

Of course he was successful with us. He got us up, and until his last 3 months looked like keeping us up.

His spell was not without its moments (the walk out) but good times vs bad times - massively in credit. Those who disagree have short memories of what preceded him.

I'd have him back some day.
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ted_dn38416 Posted on 11/01/2019 10:10

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Im not sure successful is the right way to describe his tenure. Adi said its objective but success is subjective. achievement would be the better way to look at it.
what he was able to achieve in his first two and a half years was great not just the results but bringing the club back together again. I was at the charlton game and things were never the same after thatand we should of got rid of him that summer. We ended up scraping over the line in spite of him imho. So achievements objectively yes but was he successful? His legacy Is besmerched by the walk out, and the PL so not for me. Mowbray could of done it if hed been given the funds Karanka had
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3ships Posted on 11/01/2019 10:13

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he done what was expected for a club like us at that time. promotion wasn't unrealistic and we had the best squad in the league. i think the reason people don't recognise his time as successful is because we didn't romp it and many including me thought we could of with that squad.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 11/01/2019 10:13

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No itís very objective. Marvanelli set it out. He was given certain targets and met them. The definition of success. And we didnít scrape over any line. We won promotion with a 10 game unbeaten spell at the end of the season!!
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 11/01/2019 10:14

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Looks like heís done his usual trick, walked away when he couldnít handle things behind the scenes.

At least this time heís not expecting to come back and had the decency to ask to be released from his contract.
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sambadance Posted on 11/01/2019 10:22

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Good manager....of course he was a success for us!

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Adi_Dem Posted on 11/01/2019 10:35

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Historically inaccurate Pog but donít let that stop you.
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FatalEmission Posted on 11/01/2019 10:35

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Yes he was a success.

Problem is our magnificent owner couldn't see the obvious when it became clear karanka had run out of steam and had took us as far as he could.
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hopesoboro Posted on 11/01/2019 10:40

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Life's not black and white. There were good and bad times under Karanka,and the good included the very successful promotion.
I'm happy he's gone from Forest because I hope this will dramatically weaken them as a threat to our promotion chances - they were excellent in their victory at the Riverside and beat Leeds 4-2 very recently.
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 11/01/2019 10:48

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Think hes finished in England, he will be off to Dubai or China.
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TheFair86 Posted on 11/01/2019 11:15

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They may be 7th but he has won 1 game in his last 8 matches and that was looking ropey at one point, blowing a 2-0 Lead to a 10 man leeds team, luckily turned it around to win 4-2.

They've spent £23m this season and probably big wages, so its a big gamble. Their form suggests that they might struggle to get into the playoffs.

We dont know whats gone on behind the scenes and his time here was turbulent at times.

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ted_dn38416 Posted on 11/01/2019 11:23

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Disagree Adi. His success is subjective. As others have said he achieved his goals without being as successful as he probably should of been. For example, we were well beaten by Norwich in the play off final. We should and could of been more successful that season. We should and could of won the league and gone up comfortably but we didnít. So his success is subjective it depends what side of the karanka fence youíre on. His achievements are objective.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 11/01/2019 11:27

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No, all of that is subjective. His success is objective. You canít argue what he could or should have done. That adds a subjective bias to it. The facts are very objective. Season 1 his job was to stabilise. He did. Season 2 was to get in the play offs. He did. Season 3 was promotion. He did. Successful by any objective measure. Anything else is just subjective overlay.
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paulwilko10 Posted on 11/01/2019 11:32

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Do you honestly think that his job in the 2nd season was purely get in the play offs?

I suspect Mr Gibson may disagree with you.
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ted_dn38416 Posted on 11/01/2019 11:34

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Youre wrong Adi. Achievements are objective, success is subjective however i think for the most part we agree. There was alot to like about Karanka. Its a shame he could only get a team to play one way and ive never understood how the likeable fella in interviews was this apparent nutter behind the scenes
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Betamaxman Posted on 11/01/2019 11:35

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"Will he be successful anywhere?"

Probably not. He may well need a personality transplant for that to be the case. Seems to take after his mentor Mourinho.

BBC article suggests that Karanka asked to be released though. I wonder if he was starting to crack under the pressure again??
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Adi_Dem Posted on 11/01/2019 11:38

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Suspect all you want Wilko but youíre wrong. Gibson said as much. Objectives are set and if they are achieved that is success. Really simple.
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ted_dn38416 Posted on 11/01/2019 11:41

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I enjoy reading your posts Adi, but im unable to agree with you on this one
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Adi_Dem Posted on 11/01/2019 11:42

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Thatís ok. We donít have to agree!
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paulwilko10 Posted on 11/01/2019 11:43

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It really is simple Adi, you maybe right but i don't remember Gibson saying "Get us in the play offs, that's all i want, we'll worry about Promotion next year"
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ted_dn38416 Posted on 11/01/2019 11:44

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Agree with that like.
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SmogOnOuseburn Posted on 11/01/2019 11:45

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Adi, I think that you are totally right. The only thing that I would add is that the Club let him and themselves down by not getting the players in at the January window in his last season.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 11/01/2019 11:46

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He didnít say that. But he said play offs was the target in that second season. People forget where we were in the October he took over. Automatic Promotion the following season was pie in the sky yet he came really close.
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LeeTublin Posted on 11/01/2019 11:50

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He was a success here but our goals for and against each season show what type of football he liked to play slow patient sometimes good to watch sometimes so frustrating. Spoilt his time here by trying to defend his way to 4th bottom of the Premier league.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 11/01/2019 11:51

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Absolutely agree Smog. He wasnít blameless and clearly was struggling with the pressure but some people have absolved Pulis of any responsibility because he didnít get the players he wanted and yet Karanka isnít afforded the same.
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Betamaxman Posted on 11/01/2019 11:51

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Some on here are expressing indignation that anyone should question whether Karanka was a success here.

I actually find it quite odd how many of our fans still gush about the bloke, when you consider the entirety of his tenure and everything that went on.... and how badly it went wrong.

Ultimately he gained one promotion, and that's it. We've had several managers in the past who've achieved that too.

I think Karanka benefitted from timing, arriving at the club after quite a few bad seasons. As such when things turned around, people rather seem to overdo the praise for him?

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ted_dn38416 Posted on 11/01/2019 11:52

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Promotion on second season was pie in the sky? Come on man thats just not true. That summer going into the playoff season was the first since the strachan era we had proper investment in the squad. vossen, bamford, clayton, the RB from chelsea cant remember his name. That squad was better than what we have now and our aim surely has to be playoffs minimum this season
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slavens_holgate_fence Posted on 11/01/2019 11:53

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He was massively successful, he brought the connection back between the club and the fans. He got involved with the Teesside area and looked interested in its success.
Beating big teams in cup games, Wembley and promotion.
If he was backed in the January and got his targets we would have stayed up.
I loved Karanka, I would have him back in a flash
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Adi_Dem Posted on 11/01/2019 12:02

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I said automatic promotion ted. And yes it was fanciful. Play offs were the target.
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Boro_Legend Posted on 11/01/2019 12:05

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Aitor did a cracking job for us [^][^][^][^]
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johnsmithsno2 Posted on 11/01/2019 12:13

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Most managers can do well for a while Ė Mowbray did even without any money.

Aitor struggled to cope when the pressure was on and then his judgement (Valdes and Friedel being one example) let him down.

It's an ongoing debate on here about Mowbray but in my view what he has done with Blackburn on a fraction of the money we've spent proves beyond doubt that he would have made us successful if he was backed and it would have been very special.
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toshoffathebillstash Posted on 11/01/2019 12:15

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AK was great for us, forest fans were pretty unimpressed mind
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Adi_Dem Posted on 11/01/2019 12:15

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Valdes and Friedel?

[:D]
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ted_dn38416 Posted on 11/01/2019 12:17

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Agree with last post, sums him up for me. End of the day Adi, if he had been successful he'd still be here wouldnt he?

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Adi_Dem Posted on 11/01/2019 12:20

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So if someone leaves a club they havenít been successful? Truly bizarre logic.
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rob_fmttm Posted on 11/01/2019 12:21

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Forest have had 22 managers this century that is an amazing total and it is no wonder they cannot get promoted.
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paulwilko10 Posted on 11/01/2019 12:25

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I'm sure Ted means, he would still be here doing a good job or gone onto bigger and better rather than leaving due to failing in the Prem.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 11/01/2019 12:26

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Still bizarre logic.
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ted_dn38416 Posted on 11/01/2019 12:27

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How is that bizarre? If youve got a contract and youre sacked in the middle of it that doesnt say success to me
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boroPE Posted on 11/01/2019 12:28

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Is Adi_Dem a board character like Boro Legend ? [rle]
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toshoffathebillstash Posted on 11/01/2019 12:31

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'If he was backed in the January and got his targets we would have stayed up.'

Did you see the targets? you're having a laugh pal. I am Karanka's biggest fan but he was a big part of the issue in the prem, he wasn't a victim.

That said in an ideal world I'd have stuck with him but to say if he got his targets (who were terrible) we would have miraculously stayed up despite the inability to score in games or even beat the teams around us is madness.

We won less than half the amount of games that Watford in 17th did
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paulwilko10 Posted on 11/01/2019 12:32

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I had a bit of a love hate feeling towards AK.

There were times when the guy could do no wrong and then all of a sudden let himself down with some weird team selection or his actions off the field.

He is a strange one and not an easy one to judge imo.

I hope he does well in his career, but its been a rocky start to it thats for sure.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 11/01/2019 12:35

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Itís bizarre because the logical conclusion is that any manager whose contract is terminated early has not been a success. Itís utter nonsense.

And no Iím not a board character. Iíve been posting on this site for nigh on twenty years.
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BoroBen92 Posted on 11/01/2019 12:36

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Undoubtedly a success here, even if the Premier League season was a poor one.

Ranieri was sacked with Leicester hovering above the relegation zone, doesn't change his miraculous success the season before.

I feel like Forest have made a mistake sacking him, or hanging the sword over his head for so long that he decided to walk, but I wouldn't want him back here.

Hope he has more luck in his next job.
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ted_dn38416 Posted on 11/01/2019 12:36

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Agree PW. Like poster above said, we should of stuck with him. Putting Agnew in charge with months left to go and still a grnuine chance to survive was pathetic. Biggest mistake was not sacking him that summer
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Betamaxman Posted on 11/01/2019 12:40

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We probably should have sacked Karanka after the Charlton debacle. Certainly after the Brighton game (with the benefit of hindsight). It would have seemed a bit brutal at the time, but it's what Watford did when they went up, and ultimately it stood them in good stead. (Although admittedly they actually did it a couple of times)!!
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slavens_holgate_fence Posted on 11/01/2019 12:41

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We were keeping clean sheets, just needed the creativity to put the ball away.
Jese and snodgrass were two targets I can remember, instead we got Guardiola.
A game which stands out is the 0-0 Everton at home which we could have won with more quality up front.
I genuinely believe we would have stayed up that season if AK was backed
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Nero Posted on 11/01/2019 12:43

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Karanka was a big success at Boro. He created a team with identify and one that controlled most Championship games.

The promotion season was excellent for the club. Finishing second ahead of Brighton is shockingly overlooked by some. Just look at how well Brighton are doing now. They were a great team back then too.
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wartle Posted on 11/01/2019 12:45

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Crazy.

He would have got them up given time.
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JLinardi Posted on 11/01/2019 12:45

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I think people are forgetting how bad it was before Karanka got here. Itís thanks to him we are where we are now otherwise weíd still have no money and probably be like Ipswich.

It is funny how obvious the bias is though, ask anyone and they will say Southgate shouldnít have been sacked as he had us top 2, yet he relegated us for the first time in years.

Karanka is not a success because we got relegated yet he got us back up for the first time in years.
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Windom_Earle Posted on 11/01/2019 12:48

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I think it was Gaston that was the most determining factor within his reign. The signing of Gaston got us up (no way we'd have gone up without him). Then Gaston's behaviour ruined the balance and mood within the camp and we got relegated. Without him we may have signed someone sooner but the team / formuation was essentially built around an exceptional no.10.
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BobUpndown Posted on 11/01/2019 12:48

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forest was always a tough gig given their owner..

seemed to be doing ok.. certainly scoring more goals..

football carries - ridiculous stress levels - for managers, given how in the big scheme of things it is just a bunch of, mainly men, kick & chasing a bag of air around the lawn for 90 mins..

& AK always seemed so tightly wound being a manager is just a sure fire way to burn himself out.. he seems to be an excellent coach.. maybe being in the background is his best role..
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 11/01/2019 12:51

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"mainly men" [:D]
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Betamaxman Posted on 11/01/2019 12:57

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JLinardi - Yeah, funny that bias thing isn't it.

Like you and others conveniently forget all the Karanka baggage. Conveniently forget how bad the PL season was. Conveniently forget the divisions. Conveniently forget the turgid football.

Yep. Karanka was a managerial God alright.
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JLinardi Posted on 11/01/2019 13:00

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Never said he was a manageable god.

He brought over £100m into the club, ask Gibson wether he thinks Karanka was a success, weíre still living off that money now.

The prem season was a nightmare but as someone else said, pulis gets a pass for not getting the players he wants but Karanka never did.
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toshoffathebillstash Posted on 11/01/2019 13:02

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He was backed slaven, he just did'nt get enough attacking players in during the summer and replaced Adomah with an untested kid.

Teams rarely make transfers in January who can have an impact and ours were unattainable and have since proved to be duds (with the exception of Snodgrass who turned us down)
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Betamaxman Posted on 11/01/2019 13:03

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OK mate. Fair play. Sorry
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joseph99 Posted on 11/01/2019 13:04

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And he met all of them Joseph. Go through it as many times as you want Ticker, Iím just right.

Does that include turgid football, having a pop at the fans and losing the dressing room as well as flouncing? You talk as if he was Brian Clough
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Cork_Boro Posted on 11/01/2019 13:11

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I reckon heíll hook up with Jose again, possibly back with Madrid. Martin OíNeill, possibly with Keane, to take over at Forest. TPís style will look like Barcelona compared to OíNeillís!
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borofan402 Posted on 11/01/2019 14:06

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To even have to argue whether Karanka was a success, my word some people need there heads checking.

ďFootball under Karanka was direĒ

Well what about this tripe we are watching right now!!! Is this good to watch?
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 11/01/2019 14:28

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The football was dire under Karanka, and is dire now. We're a dinosaur magnet.

Fair play to him for throwing the towel in and not grimly hanging on again. He had far too long at the Boro, the writing was on the wall in August that he was out of his depth.
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brain_in_a_jar Posted on 11/01/2019 14:33

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posted this on another thred I've got a lot of forest mates, who are fuming karanka has gone and are putting the blame firmly at the door of the owner.

Looks to me like karanka had progressed forest along, taking them from bottom half with a outside threat of relegation to being in the play off mix, you can't really knock that.

It seems like a bit of a mad house at the city ground though, I'm not sure any manager will succeed there.

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DCI_Gene_Hunt Posted on 11/01/2019 14:35

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"ďFootball under Karanka was direĒ

"Well what about this tripe we are watching right now!!! Is this good to watch?"

No, it's just as bad.
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SophieMfc Posted on 11/01/2019 18:54

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Madrid next stop for Aitor?
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 11/01/2019 18:57

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Fingers crossed
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ZappBrannagan Posted on 11/01/2019 19:33

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Karanka is always going to be divisive among fans because he is a classic double edge sword.

He picked this club up, brought in players who cared, made the players he had at his disposal better, turned a bunch of footballers into a team greater than the sum of its parts.

He gave us some amazing moments of revival, and I would even count the suicidal push at Fulham in that.

But, his inexperience shone through too - he made such hard work of the promotion season after December - we should not have been scraping through for a point on the final day (but again, what a memory, and what a day that was).

He needed more help and experience in the PL, but if it was offered he wouldn't have taken it, and he had to go.

I'd never have him back, but he gave me three of the best years supporting Boro. Yeah the football was a scrap, but all of us were pulling in the same direction.

Hope he gets another job in England - could see him at another championship club, like Brentford but which team in this league doesn't have a crazy backroom and board?
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big-eggo Posted on 11/01/2019 20:02

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would not surprise me if Jose has not been on the blower already about a project in Spain. [8D]
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boroskel65 Posted on 11/01/2019 20:23

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I consider our natural position to be between 15th and 25th in the football league, so any seasonal finish from 14th upwards is a league football success.

Our most successful managers since the 1954 relegation are -

5 McLaren
4 Neal
3 Robson
3 Charlton
2 Southgate
1 Venables
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T_A_D Posted on 11/01/2019 21:02

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Karanka not a success at Boro?! Ha ha

Turned us around from being a lower championship team to being promoted in two and a half seasons beating Premier league teams in the cup along the way (don't bang on about Mowbray and money, separate issue, I'm a big Mowbray fan) and filling the ground.

Some people seem to think we should have finished top half in the Premier league after we went up!!
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Pottomed Posted on 11/01/2019 21:49

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Pog won't rest until he manages the Boro,
Only thing is he knows nothing about football
Poor Pog
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 12/01/2019 09:34

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ďPog won't rest until he manages the Boro,
Only thing is he knows nothing about football
Poor PogĒ

What a strange guy[:D]
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UKLL1981 Posted on 12/01/2019 09:40
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Heís a carbon copy of Mourinho just without the success and money to spend. Just like Mourinho you will get a short period of success then his stubbornness and antics will cause friction and he will clash with owners and players and lose the dressing room.
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 12/01/2019 09:50

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I can understand why many view his time with great fondness and why not?

Promotion
A Wembley appearance
Those great nights at Liverpooll and Man United in the League Cup, the FA zcup win at Man City. Great times

But also you cant overlook his flaws because of that. Yes Wembley but we didnít turn up on the day (almost literally). We had an unbeaten run to promotion yes but we didnít storm through. A few of those games were stuttering performances and we were one goal away from not making it as we clung on against 10 man Brighton. And then the desperately poor season in the PL when we just didnít give it a go.

I will remember him with fondness as I do with McClaren, Southgate and Robson. But I wouldnít have them back.
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