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rob_fmttm Posted on 09/01/2019 23:30
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Premier League is now giving a minimum of 6 weeks notice for changing kick offs. EFL it is 5 weeks. But FA Cup is cutting it far too fine and treating fans really shabily indeed. WE need them and TV companies to get their acts together and put together the schedule within 24hrs of the draw OR start to meet fans transport costs.
It cannot be right that supporters do not know if their game will be Friday, Saturday, Sunday or Monday when it is only just over 2 weeks away. Totally unreasonable.
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AndyD13 Posted on 09/01/2019 23:34

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Very unlikely I think that our game will be anything other than 3pm on Sat 26th.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 09/01/2019 23:35

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Then boycott it, and encourage others to do the same.
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rob_fmttm Posted on 09/01/2019 23:59

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The answer is to press the FA in the way we did the Premier League and EFL. I think this is something that is being totally overlooked and must not be repeated in future seasons.
It needs to be put into the agenda.
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kuepper Posted on 10/01/2019 00:05
Edited On: 10/01/2019 00:09
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"Very unlikely I think that our game will be anything other than 3pm on Sat 26th."

When you don't live near Boro and only affordable way to get to games is with advance train tickets or nationalexpress/megabus you can't afford to gamble on it being 'unlikely'

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Pottomed Posted on 10/01/2019 00:06

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Well said Rob,it's yet another reason why fans are drifting away from football
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American_Mary Posted on 10/01/2019 00:22

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It canít be difficult at this stage of the competition to pick 6 games regardless of replay results, Wimbledon, Barnet, arsenal, Palace and Millwall would make sense to split over 4 days due to the geographical location and policing of those matches also thereís Chelsea at home as well, if you had those 5 games plus City and Burnley would anyone really complain ?
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Trimbletow Posted on 10/01/2019 01:18

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Itís been a long time since the fans mattered.
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billybob Posted on 10/01/2019 02:16

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As long as you keep paying your money to go and just muttering from the sidelines then there's nothing going to happen. You have to start voting with your feet.
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aet290204 Posted on 10/01/2019 07:15

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You canít wonder why attendances are low in the fa cup

Utter greed on the part of the FA
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norfolkred1 Posted on 10/01/2019 07:48

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Thought the FA were puppets for Sky to play with as they see fit. The more on TV the less on the terraces.
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jam69 Posted on 10/01/2019 07:54

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there's a good chance the fa cup tie will be moved, not for UK tv but overseas, look how many games were moved to the sunday
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 10/01/2019 07:55

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Perhaps but in this instance Sky donít have the rights to the FA Cup.
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coluka Posted on 10/01/2019 09:02

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Spot on rob, the fans that are lucky enough to be able to attend games are treated shabbily. Those in charge show scant regard to the people that generate the atmosphere in the stadiums.

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McMordie Posted on 10/01/2019 09:05

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"Very unlikely I think that our game will be anything other than 3pm on Sat 26th."

I wouldn't be so sure about that. It was noticeable on Saturday that the kick-off times were staggered across 12.30 Saturday, 3pm Saturday, 5.30pm Saturday, 2pm on Sunday and 4pm on Sunday for games that weren't on TV here, which I assumed was to enable foreign TV stations to show every match live (eg it appeared that every game was live on ESPN+).

For example, West Brom v Wigan was a 12.30 Saturday kick-off and Newcastle v Blackburn kicked off at 5.30.



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Dibzzz Posted on 10/01/2019 09:14

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Considering it's a potential giant killing fixture, I'll be surprised if it's a Sat 3pm.
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rob_fmttm Posted on 10/01/2019 09:17

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It suddenly struck me last night that boycott or threat of boycott could be the answer/ Not of fans going to the games. Look, that is what we are fighting for here. But a call for people to boycott watching the live broadcasts.
Think of that - broadcasters and advertisers are extremely sensitive to ratings. If a significant number of fans protested against paying BT Sport for a game then the product would be worth far less to them.
Sure, most of the revenue here comes from world sales but if there was a significant fall in the numbers of people paying to watch 4th round matches live then suddenly it is not worth them paying such funds to televise.
That surely should be the boyciott threat. Similarly for the red button. If significant numbers of football fans said no to the Red Button then there would be no point in having it.
Not an easy thing to mobilise but the threat of it could be a last sanction. And isn't that the whole point we are trying to get across that the rights and ease of watching at home is being put above the rights and ease of watching live football at the ground?
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Marvanelli Posted on 10/01/2019 09:21

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It would need hundreds of thousands of fans to boycott live tv games for it to even make a dent to BT Sport/BBC.

Can't see it happening.

Neither them or the FA give a monkeys about the fans. They never have and they never will. All they care about is $$.
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coluka Posted on 10/01/2019 09:23

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I agree about the rights of those at home are being put first. The trouble is those of us who get angered about it already boycott the TV as we are at the games
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sambadance Posted on 10/01/2019 09:26

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The weekend of the 25th of Jan?

Living in the east midlands, how can I plan for the game..not good enough.

Agree fans are being overlooked in this competition

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Capybara Posted on 10/01/2019 09:38
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'Neither them or the FA give a monkeys about the fans.'

And neither do most viewers who never go to live games which kind of makes a TV boycott a non-starter. And, as coluka says, those going to games are effectively boycotting the TV anyway, as are those of us who only have normal telly. Boycotting the games themselves is a problem as there are those who will always go whatever and, as the Blackpool experience shows, it can be a log haul. We're really not good at solidarity, are we? We've got ourselves into a position that it is very difficult to get out of and the TV companies have been allowed to get where they are by stealth. Look at Germany. The fans didn't like Bundesliga games being moved to Mondays and they did something about it. One year on and they've won that one. But they were starting from a much healthier position from a fans' perspective than we are.
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Cleveleyssmoggie Posted on 10/01/2019 10:10

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Odd rant by the OP on a Boro home game, unless of course it was intended to be click bait.[;)]
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smogmeister Posted on 10/01/2019 10:11

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rob I know it is a bit old fashioned but all kick offs should be Saturday at 3pm.
Just another example of how tv money wins out again and the fans lose. It is about time the tv guys realised that it is the fans at the heart of football and not TV
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Abel_Tasman Posted on 10/01/2019 10:15

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ď It is about time the tv guys realised that it is the fans at the heart of football and not TVĒ

Itís nice to think this but we are not anymore.
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Anton_Berg Posted on 10/01/2019 10:19

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'Odd rant by the OP on a Boro home game'

For some, every game is away.
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coluka Posted on 10/01/2019 10:23

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Exactly Anton. Lots of Fans travel significant distances to home games, let alone away ones
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McMordie Posted on 10/01/2019 10:33

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I totally agree with Rob's initial point that getting so little notice of changes is unacceptable, but in the wider picture there's a trade off.

Moving kick off times is annoying a few times a season but most of the time we enjoy a better product in better surroundings because of TV money. Where would Boro be now and would we have had the big European nights without the TV money?

Arguably, we have less reason to complain than supporters of some other teams because over the years we've benefitted a lot from TV money while having relatively few matches moved compared to some clubs.

It's the case in many walks of life that he who pays the piper calls the tune and we sometimes need to be careful what we wish for.

If fans boycotted TV matches and lessened their value to TV companies, would TV companies really say "ok, we'll arrange our schedule around the relatively small number of customers who care about this" or are they going to say "if the product we're paying for is being reduced in value we're going to pay less next time round"?
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McMordie Posted on 10/01/2019 10:36

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I should have said "potentially better product". It hasn't been particularly thrilling to watch lately.
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BigUnit Posted on 10/01/2019 10:38

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It's not right at all.
Got to feel for all those Newport fans waiting for dates and times to book up.
600 mile round trip, needs planning...
Hopefully they will announce soon..
Should be a good turn out for this Cup Tie
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Jan_Aage_Fjortoft Posted on 10/01/2019 10:40
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Agree that moving kick-off times are bad for fans but it's what clubs have to accept if they are taking all the vast amounts of money from TV companies.

If anyone was serious about organising a countrywide boycott then it should be aimed at prices of match day tickets - not televised games. That's a much more pressing issue.
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Cleveleyssmoggie Posted on 10/01/2019 11:15

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Anton, I know, Iím relatively local with only a 250 mile round trip. [:D]

Iím just not sure with less than two weeks between replays and the 4th round, what King Solomon would come up with as a fix.

A full suite of draws in August, so everyone knows their path to the final, which will be the only game televised?

Boro fans are a strange bunch, the majority wonít pay £10 for a home cup game, yet there are the 15,000 who paid £40+ to travel and watch an away cup game at Old Trafford.

Seems we are only really happy when we are moaning.[:D]
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rob_fmttm Posted on 10/01/2019 14:45
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I am not moaning for myself but for Newport fans and for every other supporter waiting for the 4th round schedules. As an editor of a fanzine and a Football Supporters Federation member that is my outlook to look at what effects supporters as a whole, not ME.
I have contacted the FSF and they tell me that the draw should be today when they spoke to the FA about this situation.
It seems 10 of the 16 games will be Saturday 3pm kick off (unless police intervene or League Cup makes a change needed).
Anyway the football authorities and media companies are extremely sensitive to pressure. Sometimes they do not even consider supporters at all. We are overlooked. It is our job to make sure we are part of the agenda. When it comes down to it they don't like the adverse publicity and then you see changes happening ie 6 weeks for rearranged games in Prem and 5 weeks EFL.
It will greatly embarrass the FA if fans make a big noise about being unhappy being left with only 2 weeks to sort out getting to games. It also makes it very hard for clubs to sell tickets etc. The FA will be extremely sensitive to the situation if we voice it.
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McMordie Posted on 10/01/2019 15:03

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I do agree with Rob but it's partly the nature of the competition and long has been.

When we played Manchester United in 1971/72 we drew on the Saturday and had to queue for tickets, then arrange to get to the game and arrange time off work (or feign sickness) for a Tuesday afternoon replay in the space of 3 days.

Similarly with the Wolves quarter final in 1981, thousands of Boro fans got to the replay in the Midlands on 3 days notice.

In 1980 we had 4 days to arrange to get to Portsmouth for the third round tie because their second round tie went to a second replay and we didn't know whether we'd be going there or to Wimbledon.

At least things have improved with the switch to playing replays the week after next rather than 3 days after the original match.
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AndyD13 Posted on 10/01/2019 15:08

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"It suddenly struck me last night that boycott or threat of boycott could be the answer/ Not of fans going to the games. Look, that is what we are fighting for here. But a call for people to boycott watching the live broadcasts."

Of course boycotting the actual game is far more effective than not watching the tv. Blind loyalty to clubs that treat fans poorly is one of the worst things in football - for instance I find it incredible that any Blackpool "fans" actually attend their games at all.
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Barnsy Posted on 10/01/2019 18:07

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'Then boycott it, and encourage others to do the same.'

That, I am certain, is just another way of saying, 'I don't want to go'.
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Exiled_in_Herford Posted on 10/01/2019 18:12

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It's really not barnsy, it's called standing together for a greater good or not as the case may be. I know you won't be able to understand the concept and as a sheep in life (nothing personal it's just who you are) you'll continue to go no matter what. However that there means you're part of the problem, not the solution.

Now imagine this, a blanket boycott of every football fan in every game in the 3rd round. They would soon sit up and take notice, it would be world news and that then effects the product they're trying to sell.
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borojim57 Posted on 10/01/2019 20:46

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Get BL's mam to write them a letter[^]
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GlosRed Posted on 10/01/2019 23:41

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I believe we were supposed to be at yours, to make savings on that game our fans would have had to have bought their tickets long ago. Obviously the odds of both of us going out were slim particularly as we were both home in the 3rd Round. Therefore it is unlikely anyone would have. We might make 100 for the rearranged midweek game.

As for the fourth round, we know we won't be playing on the Saturday because Bristol host Exeter in a Sky match. Therefore we are expecting to be playing Sunday afternoon, but who the heck knows?
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AndyD13 Posted on 11/01/2019 22:03

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It was blatantly obvious that our game wouldn't get moved.
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McMordie Posted on 11/01/2019 22:14

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"It was blatantly obvious that our game wouldn't get moved."

Except that it nearly was....
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hopesoboro Posted on 11/01/2019 22:19

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It's 3pm Saturday January 26..... isn't it?[xx(]
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coluka Posted on 11/01/2019 22:21

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Hopeless makes a credible statement [^]

He is learning [:O]
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Barnsy Posted on 11/01/2019 22:24

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'You have to start voting with your feet.'

Maybe it's not the fans who go that are the problem.

Why not cancel the Subscriptions?
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LeeTublin Posted on 12/01/2019 08:43

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Barnsy we are not all super fans like you and Rob. Its easy for people like you who choose to and can afford to attend most games but there are many thousands of Boro fans who prefer to watch on TV and to ask them not to do that is never going to happen.
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