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The_Right_Honourable_Member Posted on 01/12/2018 20:45
Fury or Wilder?
 
 
No ifs or buts, good gents.

Fury [^]
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Mr_HOlgate2 Posted on 01/12/2018 20:50

Fury or Wilder?

 
Fury - I think
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LeeTublin Posted on 01/12/2018 20:50

Fury or Wilder?

 
Who have you had 50k on ? [:D]
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Fuchs_ache Posted on 01/12/2018 20:52

Fury or Wilder?

 
Iíve just had 60k on Wilder. [:D]
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slavens_holgate_fence Posted on 01/12/2018 20:53

Fury or Wilder?

 
Wilder

That other thread is boring now
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Badonde Posted on 01/12/2018 20:53

Fury or Wilder?

 
Fury
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globetrotterred Posted on 01/12/2018 20:54

Fury or Wilder?

 
Wilder
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Wordsfailme Posted on 01/12/2018 20:57
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Fury or Wilder?

 
Fury
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scally Posted on 01/12/2018 20:59

Fury or Wilder?

 
100K on Wilder for me. Will lay it off a profit though.
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Paul33 Posted on 01/12/2018 21:07

Fury or Wilder?

 
Can only see a Fury win easily!
Three stone advantage and boxing skills !
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Chappy112 Posted on 01/12/2018 21:12

Fury or Wilder?

 
Really want Fury to win but pretty confident that Wilder will win by KO.
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Jostler Posted on 01/12/2018 21:13

Fury or Wilder?

 
Have gone back and forth on this, but I think Iím finalised on Fury.

I feel like heís got into wilders head and think his ring craft will pay off
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Fuchs_ache Posted on 01/12/2018 21:17

Fury or Wilder?

 
I just spoken to my contact in the Fury camp and they told me to put everything on a Fury stoppage in the middle rounds, I told them that Expo had tipped Fury to win on FMTTM messageboard, there was a lot of shouting of FFS and OH NO,! Then the line went dead............[sad]
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 01/12/2018 21:18
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Fury or Wilder?

 
On the fence really but gonna go with Fury to be optimistic. I think he has more tools to beat Wilder than Wilder has to beat him. He's the more proven fighter too. You can question every single one of Wilders opponents. You can't say that with Fury, he beat the best.

As we know though, it's really dependent on if Fury can be back to what he was. If so, i'd pick him all day.

I'm going Fury by stoppage. If he gets into his rhythm, he's too hard to deal with.

Wilder is rightfully the favourite though
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whatdoyoubench Posted on 01/12/2018 21:19

Fury or Wilder?

 
Fury stoppage
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Gibbos_Empire Posted on 01/12/2018 23:52

Fury or Wilder?

 
On the "football away days" Facebook page they had a link to Betvictor where they were offering 100/1 for Fury as a special.
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billybob Posted on 01/12/2018 23:55

Fury or Wilder?

 
I've had a million pounds on Wilder to win by KO in the 9th round. But if I'm wrong I'll come on tomorrow morning and tell you how I was able to use my expansive network of contacts to lay it off for a cool profit.

Just don't expect to see any proof. It's all very hush hush and I can't reveal my exclusive insider dealings.
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Easy_ Posted on 02/12/2018 00:26

Fury or Wilder?

 
Fury by stoppage round 11. Ideally with Wilder having already been down twice and someone having a point deducted [8)][^]
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swordtrombonefish Posted on 02/12/2018 00:50

Fury or Wilder?

 
billybob [:D]
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 02/12/2018 01:19

Fury or Wilder?

 
Wilder by KO
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borolad01642 Posted on 02/12/2018 04:07

Fury or Wilder?

 
What time is ring walk?
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LeeTublin Posted on 02/12/2018 04:32

Fury or Wilder?

 
Now.
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 04:38

Fury or Wilder?

 
Cmon Tyson!!!!
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Easy_ Posted on 02/12/2018 04:41

Fury or Wilder?

 
Box his f**king lugs off Tyson son.
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Sadgit Posted on 02/12/2018 04:46

Fury or Wilder?

 
Fury... 8th round KO. Kick his yankie XXXXXX.
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lufbra_boro Posted on 02/12/2018 04:53

Fury or Wilder?

 
Wilder KO
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 04:56

Fury or Wilder?

 
Beautiful round!!!
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 04:59

Fury or Wilder?

 
2-0 for me
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 05:04

Fury or Wilder?

 
3-0. Sensational stuff from Tyson.
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Sadgit Posted on 02/12/2018 05:05

Fury or Wilder?

 
Wilder hadn't a clue how to deal with Fury
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Galactic-warrior Posted on 02/12/2018 05:08

Fury or Wilder?

 
Wilder throwing a helluva lot of misses so far
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 05:12

Fury or Wilder?

 
5-0
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Sadgit Posted on 02/12/2018 05:13

Fury or Wilder?

 
Defo 5 nil
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 05:16

Fury or Wilder?

 
Dunno if Tyson was tiring a little bit in that round or if heís decided to start walking him down? Seemed to be on the front foot a bit more.
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fools_gold Posted on 02/12/2018 05:16

Fury or Wilder?

 
5-0?!
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 02/12/2018 05:19

Fury or Wilder?

 
Fury is schooling him so far
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 05:20

Fury or Wilder?

 
Heís really starting to sit down on his punches, he wants Wilder out of there.

7-0.
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Easy_ Posted on 02/12/2018 05:21

Fury or Wilder?

 
This is absolutely breath-taking. Fury is so good.
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 05:24

Fury or Wilder?

 
8-0.

Heís just got to see it out now, nothing silly but it really looks like he wants him out of there to me.
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 05:27

Fury or Wilder?

 
And thereís the power but thatís how you deal with being hurt! I actually thought that Tyson hurt him in the middle of all that.

10-8 round for Wilder.
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Easy_ Posted on 02/12/2018 05:28

Fury or Wilder?

 
I'm actually shaking with adrenaline at this point. Enthralling.
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 05:31

Fury or Wilder?

 
What a great comeback round.
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whatdoyoubench Posted on 02/12/2018 05:32

Fury or Wilder?

 
Come on Tyson
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Easy_ Posted on 02/12/2018 05:32

Fury or Wilder?

 
I dont know how Wilder hasnt been down. He's eating right hands for fun.
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 02/12/2018 05:35

Fury or Wilder?

 
Come on Fury, 1 more round
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 05:35

Fury or Wilder?

 
Just got to see it out big man, cmon!
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marley Posted on 02/12/2018 05:36

Fury or Wilder?

 
I think thats it
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marley Posted on 02/12/2018 05:38

Fury or Wilder?

 
Can you be down twice away from home and get a points decision?
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 05:38

Fury or Wilder?

 
I canít breathe
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whatdoyoubench Posted on 02/12/2018 05:39

Fury or Wilder?

 
Christ
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 02/12/2018 05:39

Fury or Wilder?

 
I hope the judges are fair because Fury should be well ahead even with the knockdowns.

Fury is a different animal
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Easy_ Posted on 02/12/2018 05:40

Fury or Wilder?

 
Absolute heart stopper. Could Wilder get a draw with those 2 knock downs? You only have to give him 2 rounds
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fools_gold Posted on 02/12/2018 05:41

Fury or Wilder?

 
What a cracking fight.
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Sadgit Posted on 02/12/2018 05:41

Fury or Wilder?

 
Ohhh my god I need a drink
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 02/12/2018 05:41

Fury or Wilder?

 
How the hell did Fury get up from that
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 05:42

Fury or Wilder?

 
That is one of the greatest recoveries you will ever see
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 02/12/2018 05:42

Fury or Wilder?

 
Incredible
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 05:43

Fury or Wilder?

 
I had it 116-110 but it certainly opens the door for a robbery
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Kosovo Posted on 02/12/2018 05:44

Fury or Wilder?

 
Wilders face when Tyson got up. Omg
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marley Posted on 02/12/2018 05:44

Fury or Wilder?

 
XXXXXX me
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whatdoyoubench Posted on 02/12/2018 05:45

Fury or Wilder?

 
lol
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fools_gold Posted on 02/12/2018 05:45

Fury or Wilder?

 
Rematch.
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 05:45

Fury or Wilder?

 
File with Lennox vs Holyfield
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Easy_ Posted on 02/12/2018 05:46

Fury or Wilder?

 
Disgusting. Although I did have a fiver on the draw at 25s so every cloud and that.
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Sadgit Posted on 02/12/2018 05:47

Fury or Wilder?

 
A draw... No way.
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 02/12/2018 05:48

Fury or Wilder?

 
Awful decision that.

Even with the knockdowns you would have to give Wilder rounds that he clearly lost
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WeeGord Posted on 02/12/2018 05:48

Fury or Wilder?

 
Absokute robbery. 115-111 Wilder? Corrupt, no other word for it.
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 05:48

Fury or Wilder?

 
Imagine the scorecard you need to fill in to have it 115-111 Wilder
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fools_gold Posted on 02/12/2018 05:48

Fury or Wilder?

 
To be fair it's not in the same league as the Lewis draw. Fury won for me but he was knocked down twice so Wilder only needed a few rounds. The wide score for Wilder seemed fanciful.
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marley Posted on 02/12/2018 05:49

Fury or Wilder?

 
God bless ya
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lufbra_boro Posted on 02/12/2018 05:49

Fury or Wilder?

 
Wilder only won two rounds.

Terrible decision!
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Marvanelli Posted on 02/12/2018 05:53

Fury or Wilder?

 
And that is why boxing is always seen as one of the most corrupt sports out there.

Fury was massively robbed.
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 02/12/2018 05:57

Fury or Wilder?

 
I love boxing, my favourite sport but i'm so tired of big fights ending with corruption time and time again
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 05:59

Fury or Wilder?

 
Itís actually draining because you watch 36 minutes of fighting to then find out there was no point in those 36 minutes.

Paulie Malignaggi was going off on the Showtime broadcast.
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 02/12/2018 06:01

Fury or Wilder?

 
What was Malignaggi saying?
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thebugle Posted on 02/12/2018 06:01

Fury or Wilder?

 
I had fury by 1 round (114-113) by the end of it.
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Mr_HOlgate2 Posted on 02/12/2018 06:03

Fury or Wilder?

 
Fury won that
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Wordsfailme Posted on 02/12/2018 06:03

Fury or Wilder?

 
I watched the showtime stream and not one person thought Wilder even came close to a draw, how many times can judges in America be bent and nothing be done about it?
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 02/12/2018 06:04

Fury or Wilder?

 
[:D]
To get a 115-111 to wilder that would mean outside of the two knock down rounds
That judge gave Wilder 5 rounds and Fury 5 rounds.

That's 7 rounds to 5 for Wilder.

Wtf
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 06:05

Fury or Wilder?

 
cr - Pretty much what I was saying, they were showing the replays and he said I donít want to see the replays, I donít care because what happened didnít even matter. He said I canít even do my job properly because how can I explain to the audience what is happening when the judges have their scorecards filled in opposite to what is happening.

Calling for the judge who had it 115-111 to never work in Boxing again.
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GazC_MFC Posted on 02/12/2018 06:10

Fury or Wilder?

 
Mexican resisding in America had it wilder
Canadian fury
British draw
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 02/12/2018 06:10

Fury or Wilder?

 
Had to laugh at Wilder celebrating when he dropped Fury in the 12th and then his face change when Fury gets up.

Something he's never seen before.
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Easy_ Posted on 02/12/2018 06:10

Fury or Wilder?

 
How well did Tyson take it though? I love the bloke when he's in that kind of mood. Top man.
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Easy_ Posted on 02/12/2018 06:13

Fury or Wilder?

 
Malignaggi really dislikes a bad decision doesnt he?[:D] Not shy about calling boxing corrupt either.
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 02/12/2018 06:14

Fury or Wilder?

 
Malignaggi was on the end of one of the worst decisions i've seen too. He clearly beat Diaz and the judges in Texas give it to Diaz.
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GazC_MFC Posted on 02/12/2018 06:15

Fury or Wilder?

 
114-112 card read out wrong for the Canadian
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whatdoyoubench Posted on 02/12/2018 06:16

Fury or Wilder?

 
Will we get to see the scoring breakdown
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 06:18

Fury or Wilder?

 
Scorecards below. Honestly itís sickening.

Link: Scorecards
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Cooper6711 Posted on 02/12/2018 06:25

Fury or Wilder?

 
1st 4 rounds to wilder thatís unreal
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Colgates_shaving_foam Posted on 02/12/2018 06:25

Fury or Wilder?

 
If you go abroad - for the big fights - you have to win by ko, the whole thing is managed
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The_Right_Honourable_Member Posted on 02/12/2018 06:29

Fury or Wilder?

 
Amazing fight with a horrible decision - Fury absolutely schooled him. It was unbelievable that he managed to get up from the second knockdown and recover so quick. Fury will come out this contest extremely well. He showed the highest levels of skill and heart and was subject to a major injustice. His trainer Ben Davison looks distraught.
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bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 02/12/2018 06:39

Fury or Wilder?

 
Fury won the fight,[|)]the whole world knows it,,robbed,
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thebugle Posted on 02/12/2018 06:40

Fury or Wilder?

 
Its not a horrible decision IMO.

Fury got knocked down twice. Did he do enough to win the other 10 rounds? Not in my opinion, no. He won 7 of them, I had round 5 at 10-10 as it was that XXXXXXe i couldnt pick who won it.

Yes, the mexican judge got it different to everyone else, but the other 2 judges were remarkably similar.

Its not a robbery, there is more than one way to win (or draw in this case) a boxing fight.

You cant get knocked on your XXXXXX twice and claim you clearly won a boxing fight IMO.
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 02/12/2018 06:41

Fury or Wilder?

 
1 judge had Wilder 115 so without the 2 knock downs he had it as a draw.

Hard luck Tyson.

Did well to survive the 9th but showed amazing boxing skills.

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Block21 Posted on 02/12/2018 06:42
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Fury or Wilder?

 
Are you Mexican Bugle?
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 06:45

Fury or Wilder?

 
thebugle has always had a dislike for Fury to be fair so itís unsurprising.
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 06:51

Fury or Wilder?

 
Also

ďYou cant get knocked on your XXXXXX twice and claim you clearly won a boxing fight IMOĒ

Absolute XXXXXX.
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 02/12/2018 06:51

Fury or Wilder?

 
I'm all for opinions but nobody can say that wasn't an awful decision unless they're dishonest and clearly wanted Fury to lose.

I suppose now you see why AJ is adamant that he wants the big fights to happen in the UK. I know the scoring here can be bad, but in USA these days you basically have to stop your opponent if you're the foreign fighter,
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Mr_HOlgate2 Posted on 02/12/2018 07:00

Fury or Wilder?

 
The bulge is wrong


IMO
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 02/12/2018 07:01

Fury or Wilder?

 
The bugle.

The last few weeks I have disagreed with Easy and Cincinnati about but followed the fight on a Mexican channel, the presenters were Wilder fans and had all picked Wilder. Even they were shocked at the result. The Channel had even put up a 'Fury Wins' sign in anticipation of the verdict (no idea why they would do that)

The footage I saw Deontay was being outjabbed. At one point after decking Fury he followed up with a near perfect left and then sank himself into Fury's chest in recognition that he couldnt knock him out.

Unlucky Tyson but when his private moment comes he must know that sicking his tongue out and playing to the crowd is one thing but the two knock downs cost him away from home.

I still had Tyson ahead on points.
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 07:04

Fury or Wilder?

 
How can anyone not love this man? 😂

Link: Tyson
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thebugle Posted on 02/12/2018 07:04

Fury or Wilder?

 
I have openly admitted my hatred for the buffoon repeatedly chappy :)

I also said, if you look, that i had fury winning the fight. That wasnt the point I was making.

Its the way boxing scoring works, its judged over 12 rounds, not one big one, and people saw enough to give Wilder a round or 2 outside of the knockdown rounds.

Without those KDs, Fury wins comfortably, unfortunately the rules state you lose the round 10-8 (in most cases) for being dumped on your XXXXXX.

Not sure how he got up from that one in the 12th mind you, seriously impressive.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 02/12/2018 07:23

Fury or Wilder?

 
It doesn't surprise me that was where the homer judge gave the rounds.

I watched the first four rounds with American commentary and said to my mate after the first three that they were close enough that the robbery could happen there.

Switch to a BT sport from the 6th and my mate was laughing how one sided the commentary was in favour of Fury

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cincinnati_reds Posted on 02/12/2018 07:38

Fury or Wilder?

 
Some rumours going around just now that Adonis Stevenson is in hospital in a critical condition. He got knocked out earlier tonight and lost his title.

Hopefully that's not true. It only seems to be coming from one source though at the moment.
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 07:41

Fury or Wilder?

 
Seems itís true, Yvon Michel posted it :(
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 02/12/2018 07:57

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Yeah just noticed that he is the source. Must be true.

I know a lot of people aren't a fan of him due to his past, but still very sad news. Hope he pulls through.

I didn't like the look of that knockout when i saw it. Seems he's had a delayed reaction to it.

I suppose it puts a scorecard robbery into perspective in terms of it not being THAT important. But at the same time, you are robbing wins from fighters that are literally putting their lives on the line.
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Fabios_porkpie_provider Posted on 02/12/2018 10:03

Fury or Wilder?

 
Sad news indeed, hope he pulls through.
As for the Fury fight, absolutely unbelievable that heís come back to that condition/ability level after so many years of abuse. Say what you like about the guy but thatís a phenomenal achievement. He was completely robbed last night. Nothing more to say. Corruption ruins a great fight once again
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 02/12/2018 12:47

Fury or Wilder?

 
'Not sure how he got up from that one in the 12th mind you, seriously impressive'

I have just watched it again, Fury is not human. How repeat HOW did he get up from that.

Credit to DW as he took some heavy shots too.
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billybob Posted on 02/12/2018 12:55

Fury or Wilder?

 
If you want to win a World title you have to win it.

Fury dancing around and showboated enough to convince people that he was ahead but Wilder had him on his XXXXXX twice and also through 100 more punches. He was the busier fighter.

All those saying boxing in the States is bent need to remember that it was a British judge who scored the fight level.
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TheFloorFellAway Posted on 02/12/2018 13:18

Fury or Wilder?

 
For the Mexican judge to have it 115 - 111 that means he had Wilder up 7 rounds BEFORE the knockdowns. He doesnít do that, Fury wins = Robbery.

The lights coming back on in Tysonís eyes after being knocked out, insane. What a guy.
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Kosovo Posted on 02/12/2018 13:20
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Fury or Wilder?

 
How many of Wilders punches missed. Fury out boxed Wilder easily. Somehow Fury got up in the last round and by the end was pushing Wilder back.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 02/12/2018 13:24

Fury or Wilder?

 
Fury outlanded Wilder in 9 of 12 rounds

How many air shots Wilder threw in frustration isn't really relevant
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 02/12/2018 13:26

Fury or Wilder?

 
Also Tyson though not a holder of a belt was defending Lineal Champion
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billybob Posted on 02/12/2018 13:35

Fury or Wilder?

 
If you look at the stats Wilder threw 100 more punches and knocked Fury down twice.

Fury landed more times but only 11 more times. That's pretty much just 1 punch every round.

The idea that Wilder was outboxed doesn't stand up to any kind of statistical scrutiny. You've all been sucked in by the showboating that was going on.

Fury should be thankful that Wilder was the lightest he's been in 10 years. An extra 2 stone behind those punches and he's not getting up. If there's a rematch expect a much heavier Wilder. He knows now that he can hurt Fury but Fury can't hurt him.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 02/12/2018 13:37

Fury or Wilder?

 
It looks like the Ring magazine has been sucked in too.

Have a good night.


Link: The Ring
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 14:18

Fury or Wilder?

 
ďThe idea that Wilder was outboxed doesn't stand up to any kind of statistical scrutinyď

Thankfully statistics are meaningless in professional boxing otherwise it would just be the amateurs. Even more meaningless when you consider itís just a guy with a button. You judge a fight with your eyes and 99% of people agree it was a robbery.

Fury thoroughly outboxed Wilder from start to finish, he prevented Wilder landing anything meaningful other than in the 9th and 12th while landing good shots of his own. He landed some pretty nice right hands through the fight as well as the jab which won him rounds.
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Chappy112 Posted on 02/12/2018 14:38

Fury or Wilder?

 
And why are you averaging the punches out over the fight? You take it on a round by round case, no doubt Wilder landed a large % of his punches in the two rounds with the knockdowns. That wins him two rounds, thatís all.
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Fabios_porkpie_provider Posted on 02/12/2018 14:45

Fury or Wilder?

 
BillyBob, wow , it takes some conviction in your thoughts to believe that youíve seen it right and pretty much EVERYBODY else didnít see it and were simply naively duped by a little bit of show boating. Itís also a little insulting.
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 02/12/2018 15:01

Fury or Wilder?

 
I agree Billy Bob

I still say Fury edged it though.

(the count was a bit slow in the twelfth.....cough)

Nobody can say DW has fought nobody now, he decked a guy 54 pounds heavier than himself twice.
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 02/12/2018 15:16

Fury or Wilder?

 
Fights are scored round by round, it's that simple.

Fury racked up so many clear rounds that the knockdowns didn't even it up. Wilder would've had to win 3 clear rounds along with the 2 with the knockdowns. He didn't.

So what if he knocked Fury down. The best comparison i saw was imagine your team was winning 4-0, but the other team scored 2 goals that were screamers..they still aren't going to win the match because they simply didn't score enough goals.
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The_Right_Honourable_Member Posted on 02/12/2018 16:06

Fury or Wilder?

 
I can't see Wilder coming to the UK for a rematch. He'd be facing an improved Fury without home advantage and I can't see his team going for it after what happened. I also think Joshua might now be willing to go to the US.
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 02/12/2018 16:25

Fury or Wilder?

 
I can't see it either.

As wrong as it is, Wilder is still the champion and will have the leverage in negotiations.

Do you think Joshua might be more willing now? i'm not sure. If anything, it's only shown that some judges have their cards filled in for Wilder before the fight, if one had Wilder winning the first 4 rounds.

It's almost like that judge was filling in the wrong sides of the scorecard and then realised after 4 rounds. How is it even possible to give Wilder them 4 rounds?
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The_Right_Honourable_Member Posted on 02/12/2018 17:46

Fury or Wilder?

 
I think Joshua's team might be confident of going over and AJ knocking Wilder out. I also think they'll be keen not be seen to shirk the challenge considering what Fury has just done having been out the ring so long. Even though Fury outclassed Wilder, the Tuscaloosan proved he carries his power for every second of every round. I'd imagine he'd be able to land on Joshua much easier than Fury.

Just watched the last few rounds again and Fury loses concentration when he gets put down. He lands a good one himself and then Wilder catches him. Fury must have an unbelievable resilience to get up from a shot like that in the 12th round. I don't think I've seen anything like that before.
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 02/12/2018 17:58
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Fury or Wilder?

 
Yeah, it was incredible how he got up and had his senses.

He has some chin on him. Anyone can be knocked down at heavyweight, he has before, but he always gets up and has his wits about him.

He always said the only way to beat him is nail him to the canvas. He isn't lying.
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borolad259 Posted on 02/12/2018 18:00
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Fury or Wilder?

 
"So what if he knocked Fury down. The best comparison i saw was imagine your team was winning 4-0, but the other team scored 2 goals that were screamers..they still aren't going to win the match because they simply didn't score enough goals."

Though in this case, the video officials inexplicably disallowed 2 of the winning team's goals.
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Boromart Posted on 02/12/2018 20:03

Fury or Wilder?

 
"Fights are scored round by round, it's that simple.

Fury racked up so many clear rounds that the knockdowns didn't even it up." -- This is spot on. The two judges that didn't vote for Tyson should never work in the sport, or any sport again. One of them gave the first 5 rounds to Wilder, basically ensuring that Tyson couldn't win on points. There is no logical explanation for that, other than corruption.
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Jostler Posted on 02/12/2018 20:14

Fury or Wilder?

 
Regardless of result, Fury has really gone up in my estimations recently. Not from a Fighting perspective, (I know how good he can be in the ring), but as a person.

I know that vet the years heís come out with some pretty distasteful, backward views on subjects. But his openness on mental health has been refreshing.

As someone who suffer with anxiety, itís great to see someone come back from the depths and be open about it. It can only help with finally getting rid of the stigma attached. I really hope that he goes on to continue the work against MH issues, both during his career as a voice with a reach and also hopefully once he retires!
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 02/12/2018 20:20

Fury or Wilder?

 
'I think Joshua's team might be confident of going over and AJ knocking Wilder out'


Sigh...
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Jostler Posted on 02/12/2018 20:34

Fury or Wilder?

 
Agreed EP, not sure how anything last night would give AJ more confidence. I like Him and generally prefer him to Tyson, but looking at last night-

-Fury can take multiple knockdowns from arguably the hardest hitter and gets up, whilst boxing rings round him.

- Wilder still able to get those bombs away on someone who moves much better than AJ does.

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cincinnati_reds Posted on 02/12/2018 22:27
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Fury or Wilder?

 
I've always felt that Joshua is tailor made for both Fury and Wilder, but definitely Fury.

I just don't see how anyone that fights so orthodox and in straight lines can beat Fury. Not that i don't think Joshua is very good, but that is a nightmare style for him. He was out of ideas against Parker because he moved a bit, and Parker is levels below Fury.

AJ v Wilder is still a great fight in terms of both being big punchers but Wilder is going to find Joshua with shots much easier than he did with Fury. Standing right in front of Wilder with your guard up and no real movement, you're asking to be knocked out.

I do rate Joshua, i just think unfortunately for him he's in the top 3 with two fighters that are stylistically awful for him.

Who knows though, we'll never know until the fights are made.
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whatdoyoubench Posted on 02/12/2018 22:37

Fury or Wilder?

 
Agree, donít see how Joshua beats these two!

Hope fury retains his interest in the sport and continues to improve but Iím not sure there are any fights out there for him. Hearn will play silly buggers for years avoiding this man
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whatdoyoubench Posted on 02/12/2018 22:37

Fury or Wilder?

 
Agree, donít see how Joshua beats these two!

Hope fury retains his interest in the sport and continues to improve but Iím not sure there are any fights out there for him. Hearn will play silly buggers for years avoiding this man
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 02/12/2018 23:12
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Fury or Wilder?

 
Yeah i don't see that fight happening any time soon. That said, it would be the biggest fight the country has ever seen, serious money in that.

The only time i ever see it happening is if Joshua starts struggling more in fights and looking in danger of losing his title sooner rather than later. Then i could see Hearn trying to cash out with the biggest fight possible. That happens a lot. Or maybe if AJ's sales start going down. His last fight didn't sell out and ticket sales were slower than usual.

By that same token, i could see Wilder's team also looking at the AJ fight. As i said before, Wilder almost lost that title last night for significantly less money than he would make v Joshua and his team will know he got lucky. Maybe now they think that it's time to roll the dice for huge money and take a Joshua fight.

Last night was a cherry pick by Wilder's team, they thought Fury was finished and would've backfired without corrupt judges. Fury knew he had to take that fight now, rather than in a few fights time like everyone wanted. He wouldn't have got the fight if he had taken taken more tune ups and schooled some top 1O fighter.
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The_Right_Honourable_Member Posted on 02/12/2018 23:17

Fury or Wilder?

 
Obviously Wilder is extremely dangerous. I just feel Joshua's team will think it's a risk worth taking when looking at Wilder's last couple of fights. The temptation is there. An aging Ortiz was seconds away from stopping him and Fury can't have been at more than 65-70%. Although AJ wouldn't able to school Wilder in the same way Fury did, he has the attributes suited to a firefight. He can reel off heavy combinations. The thing is with Wilder is his innaccuracy ends up depleting him. But it might be the case his output is more efficient against AJ. I suppose that is always his dilemma. Does he sit and wait until he can land his right hand or spend the whole fight chasing it. When he sits and waits he risks falling behind and when he chases it he can end up wearing himself out. This hasn't been much of an issue for him but it will and has arised when taking on the best in the division.
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whatdoyoubench Posted on 02/12/2018 23:29

Fury or Wilder?

 
Interesting Freddie roach wants to train Tyson for the rematch. ďI said I want you in my gym for that training camp..we have a lot more work to do.. 4 weeks we just getting to know each other... Iíd like to get closer to him be more involved with him...think i can bring out a better boxer if I get close to himĒ

What do you think a roach trained fury would be like Cincinnati?
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BandH Posted on 02/12/2018 23:49

Fury or Wilder?

 
I don't think wilder will go anywhere near fury again, he got lucky and knows he did.

He has more chance of beating AJ but doubt that he would either, though he will always have a one off big punch chance against anyone.
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 03/12/2018 00:15
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Fury or Wilder?

 
Not sure AJ would get up from those shots and if he did, judging by his recovery time every time he's been hurt, Wilder would finish him. Joshua stays hit for ages.


As for Roach training Fury, i think it'd still be in the same role as this one, working alongside Ben Davidson. If Roach is happy to do that, i could see them doing it again.

Credit to Ben Davison by the way. 25 years old and trained Fury from 27 stone to beating Wilder in a WBC Heavyweight Title fight in America. I know he's already got very talented and proven fighter to work with anyway, but he still deserves credit.
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Boro_Gypo Posted on 03/12/2018 08:23

Fury or Wilder?

 
Taking the 3 judges scorecards you can put together the below scorecard. Each round scored as per the most common score.

Fury Wilder

Round 1 9 10
Round 2 10 9
Round 3 10 9
Round 4 10 9
Round 5 10 9
Round 6 9 10
Round 7 10 9
Round 8 10 9
Round 9 8 10
Round 10 10 9
Round 11 10 9
Round 12 8 10

Total 114 112

That doesn't look too far away. I've always thought it would be better to break the judges cards down and score the fight on a round by round basis. It makes more sense and can help to prevent huge anomalies.

I would like to watch rounds 1 and 6 again to see how these could have been scored in Wilder's favour.

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Steer Posted on 03/12/2018 10:40

Fury or Wilder?

 
Fury's stock has definitely risen after that performance. Because he has been around for a long time, some people actually forget that he is still only 30 years old.

I hope that we get to see a rematch next year and/or either one of them to fight Joshua.
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Easy_ Posted on 03/12/2018 11:42

Fury or Wilder?

 
I'm of the opinion that Joshua absolutely steam rolls Wilder and stops him inside 3 rounds.
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Boro_Gypo Posted on 03/12/2018 11:54

Fury or Wilder?

 
I actually think both fighters have came out of that fight with increased value.

Deontay showed he is more than just a clubber and has a solid chin. Fury might not hit the hardest but he hit accurately and consistently throughout the fight and still couldn't drop Wilder.

I think the rematch makes sense to all really.

Fury believes he won the fight so he would want to set the record straight.
Wilder put Fury down twice and would no doubt back himself to knock him out next time.
Joshua will be happy keeping his unbeaten record in tact, taking fights against mandatories while avoiding these two.

One things for certain, Joshua will have to give up more than the 35% to get one of these fights now.
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Chappy112 Posted on 03/12/2018 15:19

Fury or Wilder?

 
I think people might believe those of us who have always said Wilder has freakish power. He isn't great technically but his power is scary, as long as he's in the fight he's always got a chance.

As cincinnati said, Joshua is nowhere near as difficult to hit as Fury, the question is will Joshua have already gotten Wilder out of there before Wilder lands something big. Wilder actually showed a decent chin in this fight too.

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GazC_MFC Posted on 03/12/2018 16:08

Fury or Wilder?

 
No one steam rolls anyone at the top level. There has to be a level of feeli each other out and respecting power etc
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The_Right_Honourable_Member Posted on 03/12/2018 16:11

Fury or Wilder?

 
Fury's stock will have risen massively now. Getting up from that knockdown brings in a new dimension and actually transcends winning or losing. Reports are coming out that the pay per view didn't do that well which means it may limit Wilder's options going forward from a commercial aspect. I think the logical next step would be for Wilder to face Joshua and the winner to take on Fury. It's pretty clear that Fury beat Wilder so he's the man who has beat the real champions in their own countries. That makes him the best heavyweight on the planet until proven otherwise.
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Steer Posted on 03/12/2018 16:13

Fury or Wilder?

 
Wilder v Joshua might be a case of who lands big first.

Fury v either of the above is a case of boxing skill against big hits.

It's hard to pick a winner in any of the 3 permutations. I just hope the fights happen because all 3 fighters look very impressive.
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Boro_Gypo Posted on 03/12/2018 16:32

Fury or Wilder?

 
T_R_H_M, he may be the best on the planet but currently doesn't hold a belt.
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delgrapos Posted on 03/12/2018 16:36

Fury or Wilder?

 
Still lineal champion though
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Boro_Gypo Posted on 03/12/2018 17:16

Fury or Wilder?

 
It makes sense for Fury to get that rematch as soon as he can in the UK.

He wants that WBO belt. Without it, he is going to struggle to make the fight with Joshua. Eddie Hearn will have no intention in putting Joshua in a ring with Fury. He is not in the top 10 rankings for any of the belts currently held by Joshua so not close to becoming a mandatory challenger. The only chance he has of getting the Joshua fight is if he has something Joshua wants.
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SophieMfc Posted on 03/12/2018 17:23

Fury or Wilder?

 
There will be no immediate rematch as a unification fight will take precedent. AJ v Wilder in April next year will be agreed and Fury hopefully fights the winner.
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Chappy112 Posted on 03/12/2018 17:33

Fury or Wilder?

 
Iíd be shocked although very happy if AJ vs Wilder gets made in April.

Wilder has definitely helped his profile and his marketability with this fight and if Hearn comes with the same pitiful flat fee BS then it wonít happen. Same if Wilder starts demanding 50/50.
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 03/12/2018 17:47

Fury or Wilder?

 
Warren said the other day that he thinks it might be AJ v Usyk at Wembley and that if he was Dillian Whyte, he would be p1ssed off.

I know that's Warren saying it, but he's generally been spot on regarding all AJ's upcoming opponents. Obviously people in the industry know what's currently in the works.

Wonder how much truth that has to it. I could see why Hearn might want it, especially if Whyte loses to Chisora. Hearn has a stadium to fill and a PPV to sell. Usyk is coming off a PPV fight stopping one of the biggest names in boxing here. I could see Hearn trying to make that.

Who knows? Maybe Usyk feels he doesn't need fights at heavyweight before fighting Joshua. It's mostly other people saying that. Maybe he feels/knows he can just jump up and do it.
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The_Right_Honourable_Member Posted on 03/12/2018 17:49

Fury or Wilder?

 
I can't see Wilder getting 40% against Joshua. Nothing has been confirmed but it's been mentioned that Wilder v Fury didn't do great numbers on pay per view. Obviously people are now more aware of Wilder but that's not going to be tangible with regards to negotiations if his ppv numbers don't back it up.
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Chappy112 Posted on 03/12/2018 18:08
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Fury or Wilder?

 
Fury vs Wilder might not have done great numbers, I didn't really expect it to but there is no doubting that both of their stock has risen considerably in the aftermath.

As much as we disliked the scorecard, that controversy as well as it being a great fight will have catapulted the pair of them.

I think Usyk probably needs a few fights at heavy but that might just be me needing to see it before I pick him in a fight vs AJ but I'm sure he knows himself what he's capable of.

I think outside of Wilder and Fury, Usyk and Whyte are the only Joshua opponents I would pay for PPV in April. I'd maybe consider paying for Ortiz as well but that's about it. Anything less than that and I'm not really interested.
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The_Right_Honourable_Member Posted on 03/12/2018 18:24
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Fury or Wilder?

 
I see the big winner in terms of stock overwhelmingly as Fury rather than Wilder. There's a general acceptance that Wilder really lost which is hard to equate with a rising in his stock. He was outboxed and exposed by Fury who would have only been at 60-70%. I think the name to come out of the fight was Fury - not Wilder.
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GazC_MFC Posted on 03/12/2018 18:26

Fury or Wilder?

 
They could put Joshua in with Danny Williams and it would sell
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GazC_MFC Posted on 03/12/2018 18:29

Fury or Wilder?

 
Wilders stock increased because he was taken to school but still was in the fight with his power. Heís dangerous any heavyweight out there and heís put away Ortiz and put down fury so heís no longer Ďtaking out bumsí
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Chappy112 Posted on 03/12/2018 18:32

Fury or Wilder?

 
"They could put Joshua in with Danny Williams and it would sell"

Absolutely! They could put him in with me and it'd hit 500k PPV's cause Sky would make the people believe I could win [:D]

I was just talking about what I personally would find acceptable for a PPV.

TRHM - Fury will have done better for sure but more people will know of Wilder now than ever before. The clip of him celebrating and then realising that Fury had got up has gone around the world.
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GazC_MFC Posted on 03/12/2018 18:35

Fury or Wilder?

 
Iím the same, I donít think Iíd pay for Ortiz but it could be interesting. Iíd see it as Joshua fighting anothe twighlight fighter
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Cooper6711 Posted on 03/12/2018 18:36

Fury or Wilder?

 
Not surprised they now saying wilder interested in AJ. Heís not gonna give fury a rematch unless he has too.

Joshua v Wilder run up would be a joke. Everyone knows fury won.
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 03/12/2018 18:40

Fury or Wilder?

 
Hearn said Fury won..

I wonder if he will change his tune if Wilder and AJ is signed. He will start talking about how scoring his subjective.

Hearn said GGG beat Jacobs until he started promoting Jacobs haha.

That's his job i suppose but you can't really get away with it these days when all your words are on video and social media.
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Chappy112 Posted on 03/12/2018 18:58

Fury or Wilder?

 
"That's his job i suppose but you can't really get away with it these days when all your words are on video and social media."

Not with hardcore fans but outside of that everyone else are sheep and they don't really care about all of that. It just passes over in a few days and then we get to the next promotion and he will pull the wool over their eyes again.

It was the same when he signed Khan, all of a sudden Khan became a great fighter and a matchup between him and Brook would be a 50/50 despite him saying Brook would knock him out over the past few years. Also it went from "the fight needs to happen next" to "maybe it can happen down the road, Khan has other options". It went from Brook has to move up to 154lbs to Brook needs to come down to 147lbs to fight Khan.

I don't mind Hearn, I think he's quite funny to be honest and obviously he has done great things for the popularity of the sport but it's also very easy to see through his garbage.

That's a promoters job though I guess.

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cincinnati_reds Posted on 03/12/2018 19:16
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Fury or Wilder?

 
Speaking of Khan, it seems that he might be fighting Crawford next and says the Brook fight will always be there..

It will always be there to an extent but nobody cares that much now. It'd sell if it happens but i don't think it'll be anywhere near what it could've been. Especially when Khan gets bounced off the canvas again by Crawford.

I don't care if i never see that fight now. If Brook is serious about boxing and not chasing a payday, then i'd much rather see him get in the mix at 154 than fight Khan.
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Chappy112 Posted on 03/12/2018 19:26

Fury or Wilder?

 
It's been a couple of years now since I lost interest in that fight, it's a shame but it seems to happen all the time in Boxing. I think 2016 was around the last time I really cared, then they both got folded in half by middleweights and I didn't care much after that.
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Easy_ Posted on 03/12/2018 21:32

Fury or Wilder?

 
What about Klitschko chappy?
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Chappy112 Posted on 03/12/2018 23:33

Fury or Wilder?

 
What about him?
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Easy_ Posted on 03/12/2018 23:45

Fury or Wilder?

 
Ah sorry, would you pay for the Joshua Klitschko PPV?
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Chappy112 Posted on 03/12/2018 23:54

Fury or Wilder?

 
Oh yeah when Hearn said there was a wildcard the other week I immediately thought of Wlad but then I think Wlad said he wonít be coming back? I know he still trains so itís not impossible. Iíd pay for that for sure, the other wildcard I read was Andre Ward which again Iíd definitely pay for.

Just think both are unlikely.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 04/12/2018 02:08
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Fury or Wilder?

 
Boro_Gypo

"He wants that WBO belt. Without it, he is going to struggle to make the fight with Joshua. Eddie Hearn will have no intention in putting Joshua in a ring with Fury. He is not in the top 10 rankings for any of the belts currently held by Joshua so not close to becoming a mandatory challenger. The only chance he has of getting the Joshua fight is if he has something Joshua wants."

Though he doesn't have the WBC title, Ring Magazine have just said they will rank Fury 3rd after Joshua and Wilder. They said if Fury fights Joshua they would sanction it for the Ring Magazine belt.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 04/12/2018 02:37
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Fury or Wilder?

 
To save you guys scrolling through quite a long Q&A linked below:

"Tyson Fury was stripped of The Ring heavyweight title on February 1 of this year after being out of the ring since winning the prestigious championship in November 2015. He fought two unrated opponents in June and August, which was enough to get him back in The Ring rankings (at No. 7) but not within range to compete for the vacant Ring title. He would have had to rise to either No. 3 or No. 2 and fight our No. 1-rated heavyweight, unified beltholder Anthony Joshua, to once again compete for The Ring title.

Now, after his dramatic performance against Wilder, he will no doubt advance into the top three of our heavyweight rankings. If his next fight is against Joshua, thereís a very good chance that The Ring championship will be on the line.

However, I must note that the lineal championship and The Ring title are not the same thing. Itís great when they are unified but thatís not always possible. And we donít reinstate former Ring champions who have been stripped of the title. The only way to regain The Ring belt is to meet our championship criteria or fight the No. 1-rated fighter in oneís division and gain the blessing of the Ratings Panel (as Canelo Alvarez did going into his rematch with Gennady Golovkin Ė and I think the Panel mainly backed that decision in order to give GGG the opportunity to fight for the magazineís vacant middleweight championship).

Tyson Fury has certainly proved that heís worthy to challenge for it (more so than when he did against Klitschko three years ago). Hopefully, he, Joshua, Eddie Hearn and Frank Warren can work out a deal to make that all-UK showdown a reality next year."
- Doug Fischer

Personally I hope they rank Fury 2nd and Wilder 3rd to acknowledge that Fury won their fight.

Link: The Ring magazine
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Boro_Gypo Posted on 04/12/2018 08:41

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BBFC, hadn't seen that. It does give a Fury match-up slightly more appeal to Joshua and Hearn.

I would be astounded if Usyk jumped straight into the ring with Joshua. That would be suicide. Dillian Whyte might be the fight for him. The winner of Whyte v Chisora might be the fight for him. Should be easy to make. It would still be high profile enough to make PPV and a slightly easier start to the heavyweight division.
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Chappy112 Posted on 04/12/2018 13:51

Fury or Wilder?

 
So has Fury actually donated his entire purse(obviously with taxes and training camp etc deducted) to charity?

I want to be sure he has before I go all in but if he has, Jesus Christ, what a man!
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 04/12/2018 13:55
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Fury or Wilder?

 
The thing is, i don't think he actually said he was donating his entire purse.

He said he was going to build homes and shelter for the homeless and the media have ran with a story that he was donating an £8m purse to charity. He was talking more about setting up a charity with the money and he doesn't know how he's going to do it, but said there's people who know more about things like that.

The California state athletic commission release purses and Fury's purse was $3m (not including PPV cut which comes later)

So i don't know where this story has come from that he's just giving £8m to charity, because it isn't from his mouth
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Chappy112 Posted on 04/12/2018 13:59

Fury or Wilder?

 
Yeah that's why I wanted to see if anyone else knew what was going on because they all seem to be running with the same story about the £8m.

"He said: "I'm going to give it to the poor and I'm going to build homes for the homeless.

"I don't really have much use for it, I'm not interested in becoming a millionaire or a billionaire. I'm a boxer not a businessman and I'll probably go down the same route as every other boxer - skint at the end of it all.

"You can't take it with you, so I might as well do something with it and help out people who can't help themselves."
Fury probably isn't short of a bob, but he thinks that his kids should have to work for what they get so they appreciate it more.

He has four kids - Valencia Amber, Prince John James, Venezuela, and Prince Tyson Fury II - as well as another on the way. He continued: "I believe all kids should make their own money in life because if they don't, they won't appreciate it.

"It's easy to spend someone else's money and the money I've earned is practically blood money. My kids have to make their own living and make their own way in life; they won't be living off my name or reputation because that's too easy a route.

"You see many of these rich people's kids doing nothing because they had it too easy. I never had it easy, I had to work for whatever I got. I was working from very young, everything I wanted in life I had to work for.""

I found that but again he doesn't mention his entire purse.
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 04/12/2018 14:06
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Fury or Wilder?

 
Yeah it's strange, not sure where it comes from.

My guess is that they have seen an article about him saying he wants to donate money and probably another article saying he's probably expected to make £8m in total (including PPV) and put 2+2 together and got 5, then just went with that story and it caught on.

Wouldn't surprise me if people use it as a stick to beat him with when he doesn't just hand over £8m to charity, even though he never said he was.
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Easy_ Posted on 04/12/2018 15:39

Fury or Wilder?

 
As an aside, at the risk of sounding like a Joshua fanboy, was the second Fury knockdown cleaner and more devastating than the thunderous right hand Klitschko put Joshua down with?
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 04/12/2018 15:55
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Fury or Wilder?

 
Yeah, i think it was harder or at least more damaging. It was a two clean shots. Not to mention it was at the end of the fight when fighters are tired and he didn't even see it coming.

Joshua saw it coming, he just had a hole in his defence and Wlad's shot was pin point.

The thing with AJ is that he gets hit and stays hit. He was clipped by a left hook by Whyte and he never fully has had his legs under him for a couple of rounds. Even the Wlad right hand was when Joshua was still wobbly from being caught with a left hook in the round before.

If Wilder hurts Joshua, he'll 100% finish him. His recovery time is so slow. Klitschko was too safety first and couldn't pull the trigger to end it.

I have no idea how Fury even had his legs under him when he got up but that's been the case any time he's been down.
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Scubahood Posted on 04/12/2018 18:32

Fury or Wilder?

 
Has anyone seen Wilder's post on Instagram re the fight? Talk about delusional [:D]
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 04/12/2018 19:01
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Fury or Wilder?

 
That's the reason Wilder's actual boxing ability has never improved, because they can't admit their shortcomings. Eubank Jr. is the same, he has a lot of natural gifts but no boxing brain because he has yes men around him and he thinks he knows it all already. That's why he gets found out against anyone with skill. Eubank Jr still says he beat Groves, it wasn't even a close fight.

The team around him are just lying to him and deluding him. Lou DiBella is clearly on camera telling Fury that he won, and now he says otherwise and they're coming out with excuses

Wilder would come out of it better if he just said it was a close fight and he knows what he needs to work on for the rematch.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 04/12/2018 22:34

Fury or Wilder?

 
250,000 likes on THAT Instagram post is just depressing.
The comments are fun though [:D]

Surely that is just media damaged control by team Wilder. He can't be that deluded.

Then again, this is almost as funny as his open training day where his trainer was blowing smoke up his ass after he continually missed the pads.
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 05/12/2018 05:07

Fury or Wilder?

 
AJ and Hearn will have seen the second knockdown and thought 'best stay out of his way for another year or so'

Whilst I though Fury won it, Wilder will take comfort in the fact that he decked him twice.

Fury told everyone he was going to knock Wilder out(who is around 3 plus stones lighter and 2 inches shorter) but didn't have him in any real trouble. Wilder took his punches no problem and knows that Fury cannot knock him out bit Fury came from a couple of seconds of a defeat.


Bad decision though
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thebugle Posted on 05/12/2018 07:35

Fury or Wilder?

 
If AJ has Fury down like Wilder did in that fight, Fury wouldnt have seen the final bell, I guarantee you that.

Also not sure why AJ would want to go to America to fight Wilder.

The money and titles are over here. Wilder got $10m or something close to it for that fight i read somewhere i think? AJ earns 3x that over here.

Still think AJ cleans Wilders clock, he hits harder than Fury and Fury buzzed him a couple of times.

Was really shocked by just how poor Wilder really was.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 05/12/2018 09:16

Fury or Wilder?

 
So have been thinking about how the landscape looks at the moment.

Though the heavy weight landscape is exciting again, I feel for any of the boxers who have been working their way up the respective rankings.

Due to Povetkin's failed drug test, as far as I can tell Wilder has only actually faced one mandatory since he won the WBC title in 2015. And that was the rematch with Stiverne in Nov 2017.

So with this draw, does Fury automatically leap frog the others?

Add to that Wilder will no doubt be looking to fight AJ in 2019.

Add to that him saying he would be up for a rematch with Ortiz.

So where does that leave fighters like Whyte and Breazeale? Even say Parker. 2020 until a title shot?


Then on AJs side of things. We know he is fighting in April. But the challenger has yet to be announced. If it isn't Wilder, when will that fight get made?

Also he will probably have to defend the IBF title against Pulev soon enough, or risk being stripped.

Throw Usyk into the mix...

So, when are the fighters who paid their dues going to get their title shots?
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Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 05/12/2018 09:20

Fury or Wilder?

 
The Bugle, if AJ got to 12 rounds and wasnít gassed he may put him down but I think Fury would have him throwing and missing for most of the night. Heíd be blowing out of his XXXXXX getting picked off by Fury jabing the life out of him.
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thebugle Posted on 05/12/2018 10:45

Fury or Wilder?

 
Didnt AJ turn Klitschko into a giraffe in round 11? He manages his middle rounds fairly well nowadays IMO to leave himself/recover energy for later rounds.
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Chappy112 Posted on 05/12/2018 11:22

Fury or Wilder?

 
"If AJ has Fury down like Wilder did in that fight, Fury wouldnt have seen the final bell, I guarantee you that."

AJ is slower with both his hands and his feet than Wilder, not sure he lands the shot in the first place. Add in that he hits nowhere near as hard as Wilder either.
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supermfc Posted on 05/12/2018 11:33

Fury or Wilder?

 
"Also he will probably have to defend the IBF title against Pulev soon enough, or risk being stripped"

This wont come for a while yet as AJ fought Takam as the mandatory for the IBF.

The next mandatory will be for the WBA and they have already said they are not in a rush to call a mandatory fight!

Im sure i read somewhere the governing bodies take it in turns to call a mandatory so will be some time before IBF call theirs again!
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Easy_ Posted on 05/12/2018 12:48

Fury or Wilder?

 
Hahaha it makes me laugh when people suggest Joshua wont be able to land a punch. Pretty sure the same people said the exact same thing about the Klitschko fight.
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Easy_ Posted on 05/12/2018 12:50

Fury or Wilder?

 
Also, Povetkin was WBA mndatory. The next in line is the WBO, which will probably be Whyte.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 05/12/2018 13:38
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Fury or Wilder?

 
I thought Povetkin was considered to be both the WBA and WBO mandatory. Therefore it would come back round the IBF next.

Plus Pulev will have been waiting 2 years for his chance, after having to pull out through injury last time

Link: Did this change?
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Easy_ Posted on 05/12/2018 13:59

Fury or Wilder?

 
That's brand new information to me. Hearn never mentioned it but if that's what the WBO have said then I'm sure it's the case.
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supermfc Posted on 05/12/2018 14:02

Fury or Wilder?

 
Pulev lost his chance when he pulled out through injury. He has only just been named mandatory again after beating Hughie Fury!
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The_Right_Honourable_Member Posted on 05/12/2018 14:07

Fury or Wilder?

 
If you weigh it up logically, it would seem very doubtful that Joshua could stop Fury all things being equal. Wilder is recognised as a harder hitter than AJ and he couldn't stop Fury despite putting him down with his best shot in the 12th round. That included a free left hook when Fury was on his way down. This is against a Fury who hadn't really being in any real contest for three years. If Fury gets back to his best, AJ or Wilder need not turn up. Fury makes them both look silly.

Wilder has been acting like the loser over the last few days. He's been making excuses with the most bizarre being that Fury weighed more than him [:D] He's also claiming he broke his hand and that he wasn't at his best and Fury was. I'd like to see a shootout between AJ and Wilder next with the winner taking on the best heavyweight in the world, Tyson Fury.
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Easy_ Posted on 05/12/2018 14:23

Fury or Wilder?

 
Wilder may punch harder but he's nowhere near Joshua in terms of timing and accuracy.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 05/12/2018 14:25

Fury or Wilder?

 
Actually Easy, you and SuperMfc are right.
I was aware that the Hughie fight was an eliminator but I figured it would get called after the April AJ fight, but actually it does seem as though it is still on the WBO.

What is bizarre though is Povetkin WAS ranked #1 with both WBO and WBA. He dropped to 8th on the WBA rankings. He is not even in the top 15 for the WBO now.

Must be political
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myfooty Posted on 05/12/2018 17:49
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Fury or Wilder?

 
The rankings are a joke and get abused badly by governing bodies and the promoters.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 06/12/2018 11:40

Fury or Wilder?

 
Just watching the Saunders - Lemieux fight again. And Fury is giving some commentary between rounds. Jesus Fury sounds terrible. How the heck did he get back in shape for the Wilder fight?
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