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Small_town Posted on 09/11/2018 09:28
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Just had a taxi driver who counts himself lucky that his dad fought in the British Indian regiments and it's lead to him ending up a Malaysian resident. We are supposed to be a shamed of our colonial past but here is someone waxing lyrical about it's positive effect on two different countries. Made me proud.
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Muttley Posted on 09/11/2018 09:48

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I don't think we should be ashamed of the Empire it was of its time. We shouldn't judge our ancestors by our own standards.

In comparison to some other European Empires (yes I'm thinking about you Belgium) we were positively benign. But we did rob the wealth of many nations at the point of a gun, no-one ever applied for membership of the British Empire, we turned up handed out a good shoeing and helped ourselves to anything that took our fancy. We did hand back the countries (largely) when asked to p!ss off and we are on reasonable terms with most of those via the "Commonwealth Of Nations" so we can rightfully take some credit in that.
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BlindBoyGrunt1 Posted on 09/11/2018 10:12

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It was good for the winners.
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jam69 Posted on 09/11/2018 10:18

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it was great for less than 1% of the population, the rest were just cannon fodder and collateral damage.
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 09/11/2018 10:49

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Made him proud[:D]
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redwurzel Posted on 09/11/2018 11:44

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Nowadays it is fashionable to say it was very bad. Some aspects were for example the slave trade and slave plantations, extreme racism, violent suppressism of nationalism and national cultures, forced trade.

I also thought the Empire allowed the class system in the UK to prosper, with upper middle class boys trained to administer the colonies by our private schools and the girls trained to be their wives.


Positives to me were bringing India and Pakistan into nation states. Developing Australia and New Zealand and Canada into modern liberal safe democracies. Leaving a legal structure and respect for democracy in most commonwealth countries. Restricting racism in South Africa (looked what happened when the Afrikaans were in charge 1948-1990).
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bear66 Posted on 09/11/2018 12:11

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The UK was stated to be "countries within a country" in 2003, whilst the ONS calles the UK a "nation state". Others call us a "Union state".

I'm not sure over a million lives lost was a great positive for those killed and uprooted at the time.
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Jon_Mc Posted on 09/11/2018 12:50
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Why is someone being made a resident of Malaysia a source of British pride? I'm certainly not Malaysia's biggest fan at the moment with their ties with Saudi being strengthened and all.

Other than that, as said, we were an empire just like any other and we could be just as arrogant/nasty as any other. The French made more mistakes in their colonial rule than we did that came back to bite them on the bum imho.
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Remster Posted on 09/11/2018 12:56

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Our difficulty is that the British empire was both large and recent. I don't see the Italians apologising for the Roman empire, for example.
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atypical_boro Posted on 09/11/2018 13:39

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Taxi drivers will say owt for a tip.

In all seriousness though, we, the people of the 21st century should feel neither shame nor pride at stuff that was done decades and centuries ago by dead people. We didn't do it.

What I'm not a fan of is when (some) people think we're just a referendum result away from global domination again.
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Remster Posted on 09/11/2018 13:48

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"... (some) people think we're just a referendum result away from global domination again."

Evidence? (I suppose two people would qualify as "some".)
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masqueSmog Posted on 09/11/2018 13:59

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Malaysia and its Indian (and Chinese) population is a bit complicated though.

After independence the laws were framed (Bumiputra I think the term) to try to ensure more Malay ownership/participation in the higher levels of the economy. The last I heard, it hasn't really worked.

India has some sort of 'Overseas Indian' citizenship (like those Brits eligible for Irish passports etc), and it really isn't so unusual in India to come across them.

"A survey in 2017 found that 42% of Malaysian Indians who had completed their secondary or tertiary education wanted to emigrate."

I really like Malaysia from my time living in Singapore. But Malays (as opposed to the Chinese and Indian groups) had a view that the Empire experience of inflows of foreign workers discriminated against them, and they produced a constitution and set of laws which would really re-establish their priority.
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Small_town Posted on 10/11/2018 00:36

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Interesting, maybe that’s why my friend with the Indian heritage liked it.

Just found it good, after expecting not to mention such things over here.
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